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00:31
The rumor that I’m secretly creating a zombie apocalypse to generate demand for flamethrowers is completely false
 
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02:55
zombie -> flamethrowers
03:26
@AaronHall apocalypse :: Zombies -> Flamethrowers
I kept telling myself I'm going to organize myself in orgmode and I keep procrastinating...
But I'm gonna do it for real.
Check on me later and see if I did it, ok?
roger
That's the emacs thing you were talking about before, right?
talking about which...I didn't do any of the preparation for my presentation that I was planning to do this weekend.
Good thing I have several weeks...or maybe not because that gives me an excuse to procrastinate.
ok, I just made a TODO for every chapter in the 98 tutorial...
:D
why are you doing the 98 tutorial? Isn't that out of date?
The problem with websites is there's no way to bookmark like you can a book... thinks about a possible "bookmarking" feature for browsers... nah, that'd never work...
I'm kinda being sarcastic, but that'd be a good app - mark where you left off on a page...
@Code-Apprentice I worry that it may be, but the official room on Stack Overflow recommends it, so I'd be remiss not to do it...
(yes, I know I wrote that...)
besides, to be an expert at Haskell I have to know old Haskell versus new...
Just like in Python.
03:36
@AaronHall that would eliminate most of my open tabs...
and what about writing annotations in the margins of a webpage?
@AaronHall That is blasphemy in Room 6.
well every browser has a "bookmark" type feature where you can store the name and link. There's also an application I use (rarely unless I'm adding an academic paper to it) called Zotero that may allow you to do that.
my understanding is that the current best practice for Python is to just learn 3 and skip learning 2 all together
@Code-Apprentice Oh yes, that's the direction for newbs...
so maybe you were being sarcastic earlier?
If you work at a firm that's still trying to move from 2.6 to 2.7, and thinking about 3, and you're the one conducting Python training... you do need to "know-it-all".
03:39
good point
this conversation was in the context of learning a language...so that doesn't seem to aply
well I am ambitious.
me, too...and I never seem to be able to find the time for it all
I'd point newbs to a newer version of the official tutorial if one existed.
for haskell?
yes
so if one does and I'm missing it, whoopsie, but I googled pretty hard...
03:42
I haven't looked at any "official" tutorials. I learned most of what I know from LYAH
The images just absolutely kill me.
Sorry if that makes me shallow...
in a good way?
In a way that makes me want to have the tab open as little as possible...
the graphics are pretty cheesy, but the content is really good.
I have RWH on my Kindle, but I haven't made it very far through it.
Another problem with online material is bad CSS. (I'm pretty opinionated on what I think my reading material should be styled as...)
03:44
do you have some examples? both good and bad?
everything is bad. Research has been done on what's good for comprehension, but nobody follows it.
Tufte's style is good if you don't mind black text on white paper/background.
When you said "opinionated" I wasn't expecting that you meant there is no site with good styling
But he's an expert on visual presentation of information...
@Code-Apprentice in the context of Haskell learning material (and most other official tutorial/documentation material)
I prefer dark background for electronic material. Bright backgrounds cause too much eyestrain and keep me awake.
@AaronHall what about more broadly for any learning material, technical or otherwise?
yeah, me too, another important point for comprehension though is line length, the width of a block of text.
I prefer it as short as you can get away with...
03:49
ideally you can just resize your browser window to whatever width you find ideal and the page just flows to the size...
Yeah, that's what I do as a workaround...
I've been known to manually modify the CSS though...
As a lot of text refuses to reflow...
"hey dude, if you're so brilliant at CS, why is your page div soup and look so bad?"
goes to look at his own page...
Yeah, my page doesn't reflow either... I'm a hypocrite...
but at least it's at a good width to start with.
And not all divs.
I created it in orgmode with some special CSS and custom directives for html5.
oh, great, on Firefox invert colors inverts every tab's colors... sigh
ah, dimming helps...
@Code-Apprentice still with me? not trying to filibuster here... but a monologue from time to time is ok.
ok, I'm going to take notes on my todos...
When I'm done with this, I'll read the report cover to cover...
04:13
I was watching the grammys
My wife is watching... lol
It's over now
Just about time for bed
Also working on my django project
looks like I can authenticate with my REST API using Google OAuth
now I need to figure out how to customize the final landing page after authentication
or more likely I need to figure out how the authentication will interact with my React frontend.
when I build it...
talking about website design...I'm about to venture into that area. It has been years since I built a website.
and I need to find a more secure way of storing my keys for the Google+ API rather than hardcoding them in settings.py.
04:34
@Code-Apprentice Yeah... you definitely don't want to upload private keys to github, and hardcoding them makes it too easy to do that...
exactly
and this project is already in my GH
haven't committed these changes yet, though
Ideally they'd be encrypted on your machine... not sure what the canonical best practice method is for that.
I think it is common to load then from env vars
Not at the enterprise level it's not...
Google also provides a json file with the values, so toy cam load from those, I suppose. Of course that is probably more useful if I host on gcloud because they probably provide a lib for it.
04:47
But for personal use, maybe that's fine...
This won't be just for my personal use. I am building this as an extension of an existing Android app
Be careful and think about security.
 
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08:26
@AaronHall I have gotten several suggestions that using env vars is acceptable.
and it is what we use on at least on project at work. A config file for gcloud sets the env vars. Then the django project reads them into settings.py.
 
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16:57
Which functional language have an easier learning curve for beginners?
I know it's a subjective question, so I asked it in a chat. I have experience in PHP and JS and OOP. I have a limited time and want to try learning FP concepts. I read some tutorials about Elixir but it's a little time consuming to get used to it. Thanks
17:27
@KooroshPasokhi I would go straight for Haskell, personally.
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