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3:04 PM
@Trowski Oh... maybe, yes.
In case anybody is wondering, I broke the wiki server. :-(
 
3:22 PM
Well, no pressure mate:
/s
Nov 23, 2022 at 18:31, by Danack
@TimWolla jinx, you owe me a coke.
 
FFS :-)
 
 
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4:34 PM
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Hypothetically, would anyone be interested in a rant about how most people using css kits (like bootstrap) are still actually using tables for positioning, having simply replaced <tr> and <td> with <div class="row"> and <div class="column">? It's a good rant but also I don't want to just be negative about things.
 
@Danack fixed :D
 
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@FĂ©lixAdriyelGagnon-Grenier You don't need permission to rant.....but, the thing is...I've never been able to actually reflow webpages using just class styles, and I suspect other people have been unable to also. It was only after I started using flexbox that I'm managed to actually make a webpage that reflows using CSS.
 
yeah... flex and grids are the only solutions I know of to not have to do that.
maybe I should rather aim for a "how to" angle rather than "rant" one. or maybe both
 
@FĂ©lixAdriyelGagnon-Grenier You'll love how emails are built these days.
 
cries in spacer gif
 
4:49 PM
I pretend it's still 1999 when I need to design an email.
 
5:01 PM
Plain text ftw.
 
I think I'd be satisfied with a markdown renderer in email clients
 
Flexbox/Grid reinvented the entire field of CSS to the point that even morons like me can make passable layouts. (Not good layouts, but passable.)
 
preach. that and javascript modules have addressed so much of the problems that were being solved in userland, yet it feels like it takes so much time for the habits to fade away
(js modules / es6 in general)
 
I still haven't fully gotten the hang of those...
Most of the documentation I've seen assumes you're using a compilation step of some kind, and I still object to that.
 
huh. what I refer to is native javascript scripts, written and invoked through <script type="module"> elements.
 
5:16 PM
Yeah, the last time I looked into it they still needed a polyfill. (This says as much about how long it's been since I paid attention as about JS itself...)
 
I see! nowadays, unless one is using a language that is not actually javascript (like, svelte or vue) they can write classes, arrow functions, use destructuration, directly in the browser
 
I need to learn JS modules properly... Know any good tutorials/trainers/explainers that assume you have no compilation step at all?
 
@Crell MDN generally is a fine resource: developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Guide/Modules. You really want to use TypeScript, though.
 
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I er, disagree with the latter part, but MDN does indeed not assume a transpilation step :P
 
If I'm doing something big enough on the client side I'd want TS, then I'm doing more on the client side than I should. :-) Or I should be using web components for most of it.
 
5:22 PM
I tend to stay away from client-side as well, but if I need to, I want TypeScript.
(I also use JavaScript on the server via node.js, though)
 
 
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6:45 PM
For learning Typescript, I can't recommend this enough: github.com/LearningTypeScript/projects
 
 
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9:56 PM
Hello earthlings
 
Nice, got operational transformation working with PHP
 
10:22 PM
Operational transformation?
 
Possibly en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operational_transformation - but it's a new phrase to me also.
@icecub For anything in particular, or just the joy of doing?
 

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