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1:46 AM
@Jeeves lies.
 
2:16 AM
@Danack I want to make a joke, but it would inevitably be bad.
 
 
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6:58 AM
posted on March 16, 2021

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2 hours later…
8:40 AM
PDO::inTransactional() always return false (Yii2) ・ PDO related ・ #80871
 
9:29 AM
> "getimagesize() just reports the format, and reports false or null for the actual image dimensions"
wat
 
 
1 hour later…
10:29 AM
@cmb @RemiCollet Hey, completely forgot that today was my turn to release PHP 8.0. I'll try to get it done between meetings in the next hours, so you can move on with the QA work, sorry!
 
Moin moin
 
10:56 AM
Hi question about object referencing for E.G:
` Class User{
private $dbObj;
function __construct($db){
$this->dbObj = $db;
} `
Would user->dbObj be pointing to the actual initialized db obj in the memory or will it be a copy of the dbObj be placed in the User class.
In the latter would it be better to do:
` function __constructor(&$db){....} ` instead?
Ok hi format where ya at?
Ok derp, should've been three backticks I guess, been a while that I've been here.
 
TypeError: str_replace(): Argument #2 ($replace) must be of type array|string, ・ Scripting Engine problem ・ #80872
 
cmb
@Stephen getimagesize() is practically useless anyway; it doesn't reliably detect whether a file is an image file, it may report an erroneous image type, and the reported sizes are doubtful in some cases. Why would you use that function in the first place?
 
11:16 AM
Ok in addition to my question:
https://www.php.net/manual/en/language.oop5.references.php

I guess it's this part that I didn't really save:
```
When an object is sent by argument, returned or assigned to another variable, the different variables are not aliases: they hold a copy of the identifier, which points to the same object.
```

Thus they would point to the object in it's memory...

Why the heck is my formatting being a Bish?
 
11:34 AM
Do union types work also with objects / interfaces ?
 
@MikeM. It will point to the same object, not a copy
So no, do not write __construct(&$db)
@兜甲児 sure
 
Great thanks
 
@NikiC Yeah I figured out by reading the manual again, has been a while since I was working with such stuff as I left development alone for a few years (approx 1.5 -> 2 years)
 
@MikeM. four spaces, if multiline. One backtick, if single line.
Four spaces make everything in your message preformatted though
 
Hmm
I am way too used to discord XD
 
11:39 AM
SO chat uses some vague approximation of markdown
 
Is it also bad to save a connection password in the class itselves as a private var?
Either way, it is readable somewhere and in a var somewhere.
I rather set it once to the class and then remove the var as a whole for the project...
I always used a config .php file like:
````````

define('_DB_PASS', 'some pass');

````````
But then it's visible to the whole project which is not preferable if I think about it.
 
Four space before each line
 
I only want the damn code to be diff
 
:P won't work that way
 
Boo hoo
Now it's slightly readable XD
Anyways let's say I want to create a DB Connection for multiple databases
At first I would think about a singleton keeping a list of connections where the key in the list is the DB name.
You can get the first created DB by getInstance()
But you can get a specific instance of a database by getInstance("dbname")
Presuming if a database is used once, it might be used a second time. by obtaining the connection
And unless a close is called, the instance remains available
Ok nvm...
No need to reply.
I am being stupid or dumb whatever you want to call itxD
 
11:54 AM
morns
 
Moin
 
@MikeM. or just wait for someone to answer. Just because someone doesn't immediately answer doesn't mean no one will.
We have lives :P
 
That's not what it was intended to be.
I didn;t think it through...
 
Ahhh, my apologies
 
zend_arena **raena
 
12:04 PM
What I actually need to create is a kind of Factory. which holds different Database connections.
and by getconnection() it either receives the default database obj or the defined one.

For E.G

You've got a site that connects to 3 different databases:
1) site
2) discord bot db
3) game db...

You can't do that with the thing I explained above, hence it wouldn't be a singleton no more.
 
@MikeM.Propel has a multiple connection pattern
 
a lot of interesting stuff has been exported from o+ in 8.1
 
In order to get tickled again I rather stick by self development instead of library usage
 
I see a possible (extremely, like unbelievably) fast static analysis engine ...
 
@MikeM. even if you don't want to use many libraries, I recommend taking a look at packagist.org/packages/rdlowrey/auryn for 'wiring up' applications.
it will save you a lot of time typing individual (and probably wrong way of doing it) lines of code.
 
12:26 PM
@cmb oh im not saying you should.. but supporting it if it's useless for the job the name implies seems odd... then again, my farther in law stores his tools in an old fridge and an old oven.. so what do I know
 
Morning
 
cmb
might be a good idea to deprecate getimagesize()
 
12:44 PM
I agree
And stuff like ths can be avoided
 
1:20 PM
> NEVER directly serve any files that have been uploaded by users directly through PHP, instead either serve them through the webserver, without invoking PHP, or use readfile to serve them within PHP.
@兜甲児 the problem there is them serving image files through php.
you can embed php code in comments in some image formats, so they are both valid images and execute code.
 
@Danack Schrödinger's PHP file.
 
@Danack I get the problem but I'm just saying that getimagesize is not bullet proof
:)
And that I agree it should be deprecated
 
Morgens
 
1:35 PM
o/
 
Would it be possible to optimize var_dump so that it doesn't call STDOUT on every line but prepares a string in memory and then dumps it once?
It annoys me how slow it is currently compared to var_export
 
var_export($var, true) for now
@PeeHaa Moin moin
 
@Dharman how can you tell that it's slower? I mean stdout shouldn't be that slow...
 
It's about a magnitude slower on my machine
 
@Danack He's on windows
 
1:47 PM
I would say, "it can't be that bad at printing, can it?" but .....I guess I don't want to know.
 
If I dump an array with 10000 rows using var_dump then it takes 58 seconds and when I use var_export it takes 5 seconds
 
@Danack There is always something worse than what we think is the worst.
 
I don't know about Linux but on Windows this has been really annoying for me.
 
@Dharman I don't want to say it's a non-issue but if slow writes to STDOUT are your biggest annoyance on Windows I'd count yourself lucky.
 
or maybe there is some other performance problem with var_dump
 
1:52 PM
@Dharman To actually answer your question: yes
 
2:20 PM
@Dharman there's the var dumper package from symfony which is pretty good IMO
you just use dd($var) or dump($var)
 
No, I was talking about the standard implementation
 
also has a nice context aware feature
cli / web
 
I know there are userland extensions
 
alright
those are my 5 cents
 
2:34 PM
anyone know a way to figure out what options PHPstorm is using to tweak the font for a line of code? for some reason it's putting comments in scss files in italics....and bright blue
 
@da
 
are you using light theme? I get orange comments in scss on darkula
 
Gosh
@Danack Depends on the theme
@Danack I use the material theme extension
Looks great
Plus the day and night plugin so it autoswitches the theme to a dark theme at night time
 
git.php.net/… ... nice, can I also have that 5 years ago when it bugged me a lot? :-d
 
@Danack Settings > Editor > Sass/SCSS > Comment > Foreground
 
2:41 PM
@兜甲児 I'm not switching theme to fix one thing. and a lot of the default themes have far too much random italics.
hence my question about how to find what setting it's using.
 
That's in CSS, look down the list and you'll find SASS/SCSS listed differently
 
found it: editor > color scheme > general > code > todo defaults.
still would be nice to be able to go from code that is formatted not as I want it to the setting...
 
Good afternoon people. Can anyone help me with this foreach?
Could it be the json structure I set up wrong or am I doing it wrong in foreach?
^ code
 
@Tiago "or am I doing it wrong i" - does the code do what you want? If no, then you did something wrong....but how it your learning to use a debugger going?
 
Your JSON is wrong. $array["veiculos"] points to an array of objects, not another array of keys
Or maybe your JSON is right and your code is wrong \o/ either way you're trying to access a vector-like array using string keys meaning one of them definitely is.
 
3:01 PM
 
....
@tiago using xdebug to step through the code, and being able to see what the values are inside it as it's running, is the way to figure out what it is doing, and how that is different from what you want it to do. here are two links: youtube.com/watch?v=LUTolQw8K9A youtube.com/watch?v=GokeXqI93x8
 
that or profiling
which is a really cool feature just known by a few
and then analyzing it through kcachegrind
fracker is also a cool project
 
3:22 PM
I managed to find a chunk of bottlenecks using xdebug profiling and kcachegrind but eventually the overhead from profiling distorted the data too much to be useful
 
Well it depends how big is the project
Mid size to small projects without stuff like events and multiple complex libraries
yeah useful
 
3:38 PM
@Danack It didn't help me, it's the same information that the php error shows on the screen.
 
@MarkR Was that with Xdebug 2 or 3?
 
3
 
@Derick 2, I used it to micro optimize it into oblivion though
 
So currently search results for questions tagged [image], have exactly 6969 pages. Nice!
 
@MarkR OK. I think it ought to be better with 3 (like everything else ;-) )
 
3:41 PM
@FélixGagnon-Grenier what happened to your name o.O
 
HTML encoding is difficult
 
 
There is nothing wrong with your JSON, but that doesn't mean you code can't be wrong.
 
i can't see what's wrong
https://3v4l.org/dFRod
 
Gah
 
3:51 PM
@Tiago you need to use a debugger, to figure out what is wrong. We aren't a debugging service.
 
3v4l.org/oHlsN ← what about now. And what @Danack writes.
 
@IluTov I think I found a very simple solution to the opcache issue, hopefully we can move ahead soon
 
@NikiC Saw my poke about some of your shiney new RFCs and us talking about that for the podcast?
 
@Derick Ah, which ones are the new shiny?
 
hm - seems I didn't update it on my page yet, le tme recheck
 
3:59 PM
@Tiago soma array key contains no veiculo
 
@NikiC "'new' in initialisers", "static variables in inherited methods", and "namespaces in bundled extensions", although I don't really want to talk about the 3rd one yet
 
@Derick Where would I access to these wonderful RFC's ?
and were does this podcast takes place, I'm keen to know
 
The RFCs are at wiki.php.net/rfc, and the podcast is phpinternals.news
 
Thanks
 
4:11 PM
@Derick Next monday maybe?
 
Monday the 22nd works, yes. Usual 10am/11am time?
 
yeah
 
Which GMT ?
 
4:29 PM
testing 123
good
 
@ln-s it isn't live :P
Derick records it, edits it, then posts the podcast on his site.
 
Only a few enlightened will understand it ... well not really
pretty easy to get
 
The recordings are usually pretty digestible
 
I only listen to php internals news for the sick beats in the intro
 
So you mean I could poor some ranch into em?
@Tiffany did you get the joke ?
 
4:54 PM
FFI crashes with segmentation fault when calling cob_init() ・ ffi ・ #80873
 
I did not, but I'm really slow on the uptake, generally
 
@Tiffany You said digestive I used a food joke with ranch sauce
 
@NikiC That's great! Thank you! Let me know when it's ok to merge.
 
@MarkR I actually paid for a license of the song :D
@NikiC Cool, I'll email you as usual
 
5:16 PM
What are people's thoughts about merging additional lookup lists for a classmap autoloader? It seems to me that anything which goes manipulating the list throws away the sliver of performance benefit. I suppose I could do an array of arrays but I generally think feeding it one precompiled list is the way to go
 
@NikiC I'm not being insane that to do the co-variance check for intersection types I need to invert the loop order? (i.e. loop through the parents list first and have the loop through the child list types be the inner loop)
 
5:39 PM
@MarkR I think it actually would take less time if no autoloader is invoked, but on the other hand if you require everything from the start it would add more code to runtime, maybe you should benchmark and see what is more convenient (I wouldn't do it)
Fibers RFC almost approved ?
 
looks that way
 
(•_•) ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■)
Nice
 
@MarkR Were the 5% improvement compared to the normal autoloading mechanism or the whole page load?
 
IMO it's an unnecessary micro optimization
 
^^ Same.
 
5:47 PM
@IluTov Normal autoloading using a registered callback with a single line
 
But that's just me
Hey @Sara o/
 
5% is more than I expected tbqh
@ln-s Hey..... symlink?
 
@Sara I was at the voices of the elephpant podcast (Federico)
 
Ah!
 
@Sara I'm assuming that's not whole application performance; just the difference between doing it internally vs in userland?
 
5:48 PM
actually ... link ;D
Look at my tri force
xD
 
Right, but... .-s
 
@MarkR Then probably not :/
 
Well it only means Im soft at heart
 
@LeviMorrison I would assume the same, still 5% is notable
Man... now I wanna play classic Zelda again
 
You should play BOTW I was kind of skeptical about it
 
5:50 PM
Or Ocarina of Time or Majora's Mask. I'd settle for either of those.
 
But it was a zen trip for me
 
@MarkR An array of arrays would arguably make the difference even slower, right? Because loading a class will require multiple hashtabe lookups.
 
I played BOTW, it was okay, but it wasn't my Jam
 
No reference to the tri force whatsoever ...
strange
 
For something that would be completely transparent to the user, I think the 3 - 5% of one of the most common operations at the cost of a few dozen lines of C is a reasonable trade.
 
5:51 PM
Leaving out the tri-force was an odd choice, but it was the overall focus on action over puzzles that I didn't care for.
 
@Sara did you play twilight princess or skyward sword ?
 
Preloading ought to be the preferred way to solve this for the normal, simple cases.
 
I've played every Zelda game (that was actually translated to English).
 
> Task at hand: Call Cobol (=GnuCobol) from PHP.
 
@LeviMorrison Aye, I wish we had some stats as to how wide preloading has been rolled out. I personally use it.
 
5:51 PM
TP was fun though, yeah
 
Yeah I enjoyed it
Skyward too
 
I wish preloading was more common. It's such a no-brainer IMO.
 
Just one question, are we saying that static loading of classes vs autoloaded classes gives you 5% improvement
 
@MarkR If you use preload, then what do yo need with a performant class map?
 
Or is there something I'm missing in this conversation :D
 
5:52 PM
I would love it if extensions could have a preload extension point. This also has the enhancement that a function at runtime knows which "package" it comes from. This is great for tooling like profilers and probably other things. As an extension author it allows me to freely write code in either C or PHP, depending on what is convenient, and if the JIT is ever "great" then we'd want to move from C -> PHP so the engine can "see" the code.
 
@Sara I assume I'm not the only person running PHP :P
 
Guessing what users need/want can be a dangerous, and slippery slope.
 
Composer already generates the classmap as part of its production mode. We drop in an internal classmap for it to set and we gain a sliver of performance for practically no cost.
 
I'll grant that this feature would be relevant on shared hosting or even on particularly large apps where preloading is either impossible to control for or infeasible for memory reasons.
@MarkR Right. Which is why I'm not -1 on it. There's a viable argument to be made in this case.
 
@MarkR Maybe it would be worth comparing the two mechanisms with a profiler to see where each one uses its time. Maybe you could also compare Composer against the new mechanism, as that would probably be a more realistic comparison than a single line autoloader.
 
5:55 PM
The current proposal can be written as an extension, btw: overwrite zend_autoload.
 
@LeviMorrison I often cry myself to sleep when I think about how lowly 3rd party extensions are regarded in the PHP world.
 
@Sara I think containers have helped it a small bit, at least.
 
Very smol.
 
@IluTov Composer uses its classmap if one is set as its first check, internally this would save a function call and (if treating it as case insensitive) a strtolower, the benefits are admittedly small, but so is the C code to do it.
 
5:59 PM
It's worth noting that HHVM added this as a feature, and they have a well controlled codebase.
 
@Sara You want to team up to level up extension capabilities? Let's ship PHP code in extensions, so we can 1) let the JIT see it 2) let zend extensions know which packages functions come from 3) add in some safety like sha512/whatever hashing is current.
Anything else you can think of?
 
@LeviMorrison I'm 100% in favor oh PHPizing the standard library.
And I'll lend my fingers to doing it.
 
The JIT can optimize preloaded PHP, right?
 
@MarkR Well, if I'm looking at the right file (github.com/composer/composer/blob/master/src/Composer/Autoload/…) it would save 2 method calls and 1 function call, along with the VM overhead for those. That's why I kinda expected more than 3-5%.
 
6:01 PM
@LeviMorrison joe had a proof of concept for that somewhere.
 
@LeviMorrison I'd be surprised if it couldn't...
 
@IluTov Yeah it does loadClass() -> findFile and findFile checks the classMap first thing. I'll try and work more noise out of the performance test
 
@LeviMorrison JIT or opcache? The JIT directly generates machine code from the optimized opcodes. I was wondering about this myself but I was too lazy to check. It would make sense, as preloaded files are not allowed to change and so you can basically regard them as a single compilation unit.
 
Probably depends what mode the JIT is in. :/
 
@MarkR That would be great.
 
6:06 PM
@Sara PHP 8.2 let's go!
 
We should check to see if we have license to reuse the PHP code I wrote for HHVM's Systemlib. That'd save us a ton of time.
 
@Sara What does it do?
Oh, the whole system library, not the link.
 
```HHVM is licensed under the PHP and Zend licenses except as otherwise noted.```

It would seem that no only *CAN* we use it, we might actually own HHVM...
 
LOL
 
((That would never stand up in court and FB can hire far more lawyers. Still... funny thought.))
 
6:10 PM
Somewhere a Facebook lawyer just felt a tingle down their back
 
Ownership is different from license. It's still copyright Facebook, I'm sure.
 
The important thing being that we should be able to mine github.com/facebook/hhvm/tree/master/hphp/system/php with impugnity
 
odbc_fetch_array() will not fetch a row containing a UTF-8 currency code symbol ・ ODBC related ・ #80874
 
Copyright (c) 1999 - 2010 The PHP Group. All rights reserved.
 
Would be terribly funny that someone who made a multi million product would sue the people who created the foundation for him to do so
 
6:13 PM
Hrmmmm end date is 2010... maybe not
Anyway, it's all theoretical.
 
Does JIT optimize things like byte by byte checks on strings etc or does each one still have to go through a handler?
 
My guess would be 'not currently', but optimization is a never ending climb. :)
 
Would you need to leave things like strpos et al in C?
 
iirc HHVM has a specific optimization for that, yeah
 
Big win: you could ship a generator in core and/or extensions instead of decomposing it yourself manually down to an iterator, and then writing that in C (ugh, it sucks).
 
6:17 PM
At the very least, we should introduce a mechanism for shipping userspace code from within an extension. From there we can decide how quickly (or not) to start writing new functions and/or converting old ones.
'cause yeah... generators from C is teh grossness
Fibers will likely be similarly meh
 
@Sara And importantly, know which ext it came from. Needs to be more value added than just being able to ship PHP; need to make sure we retain the association of which ext it comes from.
 
That part should be easy enough.
 
And, importantly, that it can be preloaded/JIT'd.
 
const char* myfunc = "function foo() { echo \"bar\"; }";

const char** preloads = { myfunc, NULL };

zend_module_entry mymod = {
blahblahHEADER,
OTHER_SHIT,
preloads,
blahblahFOOTER,
};
 
JIT would effectively become mandatory then to not crawl?
 
6:20 PM
@Sara It's better than generators, but meh probably covers it.
 
Then the engine walks that table and attaches whatever module info it needs to along the way.
@MarkR Much as OpCache is now ;)
 
@Sara Right, but something that has hashes as well.
 
An engine walks into a bar ...
 
@MarkR github.com/php/php-src/blob/master/ext/opcache/jit/… There's this huge function that does specialization in various cases, but couldn't find anything for strings.
 
@LeviMorrison Implementation details. :)
 
6:21 PM
@MarkR This is a concern for existing stuff, but not as much for new stuff (and extensions!)
 
@LeviMorrison That concern might be why we don't start mass-converting things until our confidence in JIT is much higher. Maybe 9.0 ?
 
Right, just trial it for a few things here and there. (and of course, extensions can do whatever they want ASAP)
 
@MarkR So no, it doesn't have to go through a handler AFAIK, it'll just call the C function, but it won't quite compile down to a memcmp or something like that.
 
But in the mean time, extension authors could start using it. For example, I know that MongoDB currently distributes an extension that wraps C APIs plus a library that does the heavy lifting. It might be nice to bundle that as a single package.
 
Also, might be a very legitimate reason to have a JIT attribute that is like "hey, if you can't JIT optimize this, then please let me know k thx". Anything we ship in core we'd want to be alerted ASAP if we regress.
 
6:23 PM
@IluTov I'm kinda surprised the entire JIT setup is only 16,000 l ines x_x
 
jynx :)
Good point.
Maybe just have that emit when --enable-debug
Maybe not... I dunno... thoughts to think
 
@MarkR 16'000 extremely complicated lines ^^ Also, it is based on opcache which already does a lot of heavy lifting like optimization.
 
I'm busy until April, and then I'd be happy to work on it.
 
Also, just x86. It you want some other architecture you can start all over again :D
 
Step 5: write a tool for packaging up PHP code into an extension :)
(Complete with author, url, name, version, etc)
I keep getting told I don't take enough vacation, so I'd love to take 2 weeks off sometime to work on this.
 
6:28 PM
@LeviMorrison I think Dmitry intentionally didn't implement all opcodes since making tracing JIT the default. E.g. he didn't want an implementation of MATCH_ERROR because that instruction shouldn't usually be executed.
 
No problem, we would ship PHP, not opcodes.
 
On HHVM we pushed the file contents into object sections using linux specific hooks. I don't think that's a great idea for PHP due to OS level compatabilities, but also because there are just simpler solutions.
We package a small PHP script that writes out a header file with some skeleton bits and an addcslashes() of the contents to include. Maybe make a config.m4 rule for invoking it: PHP_ADD_PRELOAD_FILE(incldue/library.php)
 
I would avoid m4 like the plague. I am experimenting with building extensions with CMake because pecl is on death notice, since it's conjoined twin pear has been deprecated and no longer shipped in core.
 
Well, not addclashes(), because it needs to work for building PHP itself eventually. Might take some magic to do the equivalent with shell scripting... :/
 
Also, doesn't work on windows.
 
6:33 PM
Riiiiight
 
I would install all the source files into a prefix.
In fact, I would re-use the include folder PEAR once did :)
(Well, PEAR was in one of two locations, just put it in the same location always for core)
 
Hrmmmm, for core that's not unreasonable, but I'd really like extensions to be able to bundle into a single file. For extensions though, we can expect to have a working php command available, so that's less difficult.
 
That's a reasonable goal, but I've investigated the elf magic and I don't want to personally do that, plus no idea how to make it work on Windows.
 
And yes, I'm willing to kick the core problem down the road a little, so long as we have some plan.
Yeah, no. agreed. No elf magic.
 
BTW, the "core" problem would be solved if we actually built libzend.so and all extensions linked to it.
 
6:35 PM
Hence the "tool to create an .h file from sources" thought.
 
Or just ditch windows support YEAH!
 
It really annoys me that by design we have to cope with undefined symbols in extensions. It's caused numerous bugs (some that even ship to users!) because the linker has its hands tied.
 
FUCK WINDOWS!
 
Ditch it ditch it
 
((never gonna happen))
 
6:36 PM
yeah I know
still had to say it tho
doesn't windows has a linux compatibility layer now
or something similar ...
 
/me pats my trusty PHP background scripts that have been running on windows machines for the past 10 years
 
NOT cygwin ...
 
you're thinking of WSL
 
Yes that
 
Somewhere in a server closet at UC Berkeley is a php script that's been running as a scheduled job for the past 20 years.

Yes, I recently confirmed it's still there and doing it's job.
...on PHP 4.
 
6:42 PM
But seriously, I'm happy to take time off work sometime after March to collab with anyone who wants to push forward extensions being able to ship PHP code.
 
I'm in. I'll start wikiing up an RFC to get the ideas "on paper" before we propose anything.
 
Good god phpstorm has more hotkeys than a pro gamer's keyboard.
 
6:58 PM
My gaming PC is current: Mostly standard keyboard, plus a volume knob and some play/stop buttons I never use.
HOWEVER: I also have a Logitech G13 keyboard where my left hand actually rests (25 macros buttons and a thumb stick with 4 page buttons for hot swapping configs). AND a Naga X mouse with 16 buttons and a scrollwheel.
So yeah, the stereotype of having too many hotkeys is 100% fair.
 
I have an Apex steelseries
Logitech mouse too
good keyboard, solid
For all macros I have enlightenment key binding features
 
I spent £150 on a corsair mechanical keyboard only for a literally 1 cent plastic foot to break ruining the ergonomics.
 
I was ABOUT to buy that one
but something deep inside me told me "Wait ... these guys make cool storage devices ... I shouldn't trust them"
"I should find someone who is literally about keyboards and peripherals :D
That's how I ended up with an apex steelseries
 
I have the K70 right now and honestly, it's overpriced. The feet on it are weak-ass plastic that snap off, and the wrist rest has so little clearance if you put the keyboard on your legs the wrist rest lifts up and stops the ctrl key from fully lifting up
 
^ Tri force included!
@MarkR
You can actually make it whatever you want, same with the colors
yes my phone camera is not the best
sorry for potato quality
 
7:18 PM
who would ever willingly give up an extended keypad? O_O
 
Ah
country limitations
What can you do
This was the best keyboard I could possibly get here
No one had the extended version in stock
there was ONE store with this particular keyboard, sadly this was the only one available
 
I want to try Keychron
 
Looks similar to anne pro keyboards
@Tiffany
 
@Sara o_O I'm guessing either it's horribly complex and difficult to rewrite to work on a later version of PHP, or no one can be bothered to rewrite it and it "works just fine"?
 
7:50 PM
@Tiffany More that.... it's hard to hire competent people on state university salaries.
FWIW, I believe it'll run just fine on later versions, but someone has to physically DO the upgrade.
 
@LeviMorrison Tangent, but containers still should be brought under the php project imho. So they're done as soon as a new release is. There's often a few days lag.
 
You mean the Docker Hub official ones? I'm happy for other people to do distribution work ahaha
 
Yeah the php/* ones. Sooner or later a major vuln is going to show up and those of us using containers will be sat on our arses for several days until the update lands. Most people wouldn't know how to compile their own.
 
@Sara That sounds like something even I could lend a hand in. :-)
 
@MarkR I have the same one.
I wanted the K95 but did not splurge on it.
 
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