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1:10 AM
Doubt the weather is going to co-operate.
 
 
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6:57 AM
morning
 
8:47 AM
@m6w6 small set of questions about msgpack
I noticed your invitation only now (so it have expired)...
Does it make sense to keep the EXPERIMENTAL file in the git repo and pecl archive ?
2.2.0RC1 was released in August...
 
 
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10:40 AM
o/ happy Friday all
 
11:06 AM
\o you too
 
 
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12:54 PM
o/
 
1:10 PM
\o
 
hi derick :D was nice to see you
 
He's got a stalker?
 
Not fair. I want a stalker!
 
Root isn't your stalker?
How's pup #2?
 
1:26 PM
Gone as of yesterday
Ekin found a new owner for it
 
yay :D
 
So much silence at night/in the morning \o/
So much peace during the day
 
1:44 PM
@Carpenter See me?
 
1:59 PM
phpcc
 
Oh :D
 
I was going to go with "look out the window @derick....".
 
:D better answer
 
2:22 PM
Is there a way to tell if an attribute allows repeating, other than reflecting on the attribute itself and checking it's own Attribute attribute?
And... what would I even check on that? :-)
 
Oh, well, that would be even easier, yes...
That only works after you've retrieved a for-real attribute though, yes?
I can't tell "here's a class for an attribute. If I check a class for it, is it possible that there's more than one"?
 
3:11 PM
@JoeWatkins I am unsure of whether you have twitter notifications enabled ... so ... ding.
 
I do, just finished reading ...
I have a serious aversion to this kind of confrontation, but everything you say is correct, and the advice you give is good, any rational person would listen ...
 
Morning
 
but who's rational when communicating on the internet ...
I don't know what is best to do, I do think this is an ongoing problem and it's tiring, but I don't know if this will make it better
 
In a company, rather than open source, there would be reasonably well paid people whose job it is to sort this stuff out.....
 
@JoeWatkins Hey Joe, wondering what you are talking about, I might have missed out
 
3:17 PM
@ln-s private-ish.
 
oh eh ok
came out of nowhere I was scrolling like a fool
any confrontation is bad, should not happen
 
yeah that's true, but there is so much of what they're thinking lost in translation ... I used to think dmitry was short with me, bordering on disrespectful ... but then we met in person (electronically) had a drink together for an evening, and I totally changed my mind partly because I understood better how he communicates, and that actually he struggles to communicate precisely in English even though he can speak english and is extremely smart ...
what if I'm the one over-reacting
 
Oh yeah you need to understand that even tho a person can communicate in English, the cultural implications on the way someone speaks are totally different. Understanding the cultural forms is super sayan level 4 English
if not blue
:D
 
For the record, I don't put any weight on why someone is behaving like they do, I think it's fine to just see how they are affecting other people and decide to do moderation based on that. And you're not over-reacting .....if he was an English speaker, he would have been told to fuck off already. I think he's just young, and not been in a situation where he's been told "don't do this" before.
I'll think I'll add a bit more saying, that people have tried to invite him here....and if this place isn't good for him, maybe he can suggest a different place or video......but honestly the core problem of not respecting people having different opinions is not (imo) a comms problem.
 
I know he reads this chat, but I was under the impression that he did so with a translator.
 
3:26 PM
Apr 28 at 0:18, by Danack
Apropos of nothing @SaifEddinGmati, I think one problem with email (, and similarly forums), is that they are slow enough for people to work up 'steam' about an issue, but fast enough that people try to win conversations by shouting down the other side.

Both the extremes of real-time chat, and only communicating via blog-post/letter/speech seem to avoid creating 'heat', and are better at producing productive conversations.
There is a small chance that poor real time chat might still be better than slow but more precise email.
 
Potentially. I've never attempted to chat in any other language, so I can't speak to the experience.
 
Same....given my language skills, I feel pretty lucky that my native language happens to be the one used the most internationally....
 
I do sometimes have to speak in spanish, I will pass any test you put in front of me, I've finished courses and have certificates ... but let me tell you, I fucking suck at speaking spanish, I don't think I'll ever be able to do it naturally ...
I struggle to communicate in English ...
I've been thrown out of government offices in spain, because they thought I couldn't communicate ... I mean, it's super super hard
 
What's his native language?
 
@Crell I'll dm.
 
3:35 PM
I struggle enough with English, so… my other languages are programming :P
 
what I'm trying to say is, I doubt if they are steeped in English the way I am steeped in Spanish, and I doubt he's educated himself to the same level (although I may be wrong) ... I'll bet he finds English harder than I find Spanish, by a very very wide margin ...
 
Anything not slightly romance related is a problem for a speaker of a non slightly romance related language
 
english is also generally a stupid, stupid language
 
@Trowski I almost exclusive type in another language which isn't my first one.
Typing things in Dutch is ridiculously hard for me now.
 
@Derick huh, that's surprising
 
3:41 PM
@Derick it's easy, just type in German and randomly insert extra vowels
/runs away giggling
 
@JoeWatkins apparently it's a problem for Danish speakers also:
 
@Danack There is also youtube.com/watch?v=FqgRC5sfCaQ
@DaveRandom I'd have better luck writing Norwegian.
 
oh you just cross things out occasionally for Norwegian. it's good that the language has such a high fault tolerance I guess
 
@DaveRandom you are right, it's so stupid that we all speak it :D
english works
 
barely.
 
3:48 PM
yeh but it's total chaos, an afront to the very concept of order
 
It's the world's lingua franca, not opposed to it, there are more verbose languages such as spanish
which perhaps is too verbose
 
@DaveRandom you say that like it's a bad thing.
 
@ln-s "Franca" means French... let that sink in.
 
I just googled exactly that btw and apparently not, or not entirely
> During the late Byzantine Empire, "Franks" was a term that applied to all Western Europeans. - Wikipedia
 
you're frankly wrong.
 
3:54 PM
whenever I drive down the M5 I derive disproportionate amusement from signs that say "Services - Frankley" on them, as if the signs are getting bored and a bit sassy because you haven't stopped recently
 
:D
 
@Derick French is all over the place
Almost every language has borrowed something from another language
@Derick Here's an interesting one for you specially: バイト (Japanese baito) comes from ARUBAITO (Arbeit) was introduced most likely by Netherland traders
Also interesting, the word is cut in half so it means part time job
real word for full time job is 仕事 (shigoto)
all of this makes me intellectually horny, should have just dedicated myself to smoke weed and be a sociologist :ponders
 
4:34 PM
English is a mishmosh language that is easy to pidgin. That is one of the reasons it's so effective as a lingua franca. You can stumble your way through it and be mostly understood, even if your grammar is technically wrong.
Basically, English is a duck-typed language.
 
@Crell I don't think this is unique to English. This is actually the case with most romanic influenced languages.
 
English is much more mishmoshy than French or Italian.
 
@Crell yes, I'm mostly referring to the stumbling your way through - you still sort of need some vocabulary. The grammar is not sooo important in these languages.
 
Don't say that in Paris. ;-)
 
The grammar is more a framework for correctness rather than required for understanding in general.
@Crell La mélodie de la langue française … bah :-P
 
5:31 PM
IMHO it's easier to stumble through the french cuisine than the english one.
no idea what that says about the language, perhaps a cultural thing.
 
5:58 PM
o/
 
@Crell Introduction to Japanese, just have the correct particle at the end to refer its role, and you can technically have it anywhere in the sentence :D
 
6:20 PM
According to valgrind I am leaking memory, but address sanitizer didn't find anything. Urgh.
 
@LeviMorrison can I help you?
 
 
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7:31 PM
I need a review on github.com/php/doc-en/pull/841 as it is blocking me from submitting further PRs. Could I ask someone else to review it to see whether the review comments were addressed properly?
 
8:00 PM
@Dharman word you are looking for is remaining, I added a comment with the suggestion
 
8:18 PM
@ln-s Thanks, but I have rewritten that few days ago and the other is now gone.
 
cmb
8:37 PM
@LeviMorrison did you check with LSan?
 
@cmb No, I didn't. I found the "culprit" though: openssl. I switched to rustls and dropped quite a few of the issues (still have a few remaining I should investigate).
Bob helped me sift through the leaks.
 
cmb
8:55 PM
:)
 
@Dharman Looks fine to me. 👍
 
@cmb: thanks for the quick fix on the header injection with ini_set on charset etc. some days ago.
 
cmb
yw
 
 
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10:43 PM
Howdy folks. I am about to send a very important professional message, and I thought about getting an opinion about it from someone, before sending it
I have just passed a very lengthy and hard trial for a big tech company, i have been in trial for 3 months now.
Now they are proposing to assigning me to a specific team, who's building a greenfield project
I have had a tendency of burnout from my previous jobs, and this greenfield project is running on a tight schedule, they plan to have it out of the door on Q1 2022 and it just started
I want to ask them to put me in a slower-paced team, as I'm pretty sure I'd burnout again if I worked on this greenfield project with such a tight schedule
 
Are you hired, like have you received an offer, signed papers?
 
Assigning me to a team is the last step before the offer - but I know the pay range is good
I'm preparing the message I'm planning to send, I'm just anonymizing some stuff
Will share it here for feedback
 
4-to-5 months to finish a greenfield project that juuust started? that surely sounds stressful.
 
@LucasBustamante be very careful about stating difficulties, and this depends on the company. If you have a diagnosis of what can cause the burnout, that could help. But it's not uncommon for companies to back out in this kind of situation.
 
This company has 30 teams they can assign me to, I'm pretty sure 20 of them don't have automated tests, so I'm proposing to assign me to do automated tests on legacy, slow-paced projects instead. This is the message, any meaningful feedback is appreciated, as someone from the outside will have a complete different perspective: pastebin.com/SyTjCEcg
 
10:57 PM
I'm not well-versed with tech companies, but it does seem odd to me that before you're officially hired, you're assigned to a team. It should be hired first, then assigned, no?
 
I guess it depends on the project, but for those who I've interviewed myself... them being honest never hurt. It's really helpful, in fact, since both parties can determine whether a healthy work relationship can be formed, or not.
 
@Ekin that's true
 
@LucasBustamante Why not take it, and if you don't like it... find something else?
 
11:14 PM
@Derick I have a good job currently, so I'm not in a position where I have to accept the job under any circumstances. Therefore, there's some wiggle room to risk asking them to put me in a slower-paced team. Even if that compromises my hiring, it might be less of a deal to me than working on a greenfield project with a tight schedule that might cause a burnout
 
tbh, I don't know what "Greenfield" means in this context... but if you don't have to move...
 
Greenfield means a new project, not legacy en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenfield_project
It's not that I don't want to move - it's just that I want to move to something better, not worse. The point is convincing them to accept
 
11:32 PM
Yeah, so I think you're right to ask. But do remember that roles can shift within a company, and sometimes a lot faster than you think it'd happen.
 

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