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11:00 PM
it feels wrong, but I can't actually say why with solid arguments
other than that it would be better not to ship stuff that's not needed, in which case you want split packages, which is precisely the point :-P
idk, the whole thing feels a little messy, I get why you want this but I do think the costs outweigh the benefits, I'd lean more towards a parent repo with submodules for dev and using the component targets for packagist/pecl/etc
 
"other than that it would be better not to ship stuff that's not needed" - you can use the git attributes to exclude files for Composer, and the extension has a list of files for which ones to include in the distribution.
 
> If you maintain a Composer package, start adding || ^8 to your PHP requirements now, and use --ignore-platform-reqs when running builds against PHP nightlies.
What the af
@DaveRandom get ready for incoming dsn issues github.com/symfony/symfony/pull/35924 :D
 
ugh, I really need to sort that out
 
aye
Oooooor
You could not and do something else :-)
 
@PeeHaa are you able to get me some errors and the corresponding raw packets without much difficulty?
@PeeHaa yeh it really needs sorting though
 
11:14 PM
That's certainly in the realm of possibilities I think
 
There's a couple of little issues with the decoder, that's all it is, but in order to find and fix them I need a decent sample of occurences
 
I can set up some test apparatus in the coming days to capture them
 
and I just don't generate enough myself, nor can I reliably repro, but I know it's a thing
it basically just needs to be more forgiving of some "undefined" stuff
 
Do you want wireshark data of the breaks?
pcap?
 
just hex dump/raw binary of the packet is fine, which I think would probably be easier to do in terms of syncing it with PHP error messages
whatever
pcap also fine
 
11:17 PM
k will set some stuff up in the coming days
 
I can work with whatever as long as I have the whole packet
 
/me removes 1 random byte from all packets
 
:-P
oh btw I managed to implement SNI on the server side in userland, at least in principle
(in amp/http-server)
 
That sexy
in pricinple
that's the correct spelling yes
oh btw @DaveRandom I will be working with fab in 2 weeks :D
 
Yeh, I realised that you can read the ClientHello from the buffer with stream_socket_recv(STREAM_PEEK) before the first stream_socket_enable_crypto() call and parse out a whole bunch of stuff
so you can manually do cert selection, and/or reject connections before negotiating TLS
 
11:21 PM
So actually pretty simple
?
 
+ so stuff like nginx, specify cipher suites on a per-host basis and stuff
@PeeHaa relatively, I'm putting together a package as we speak
 
awesome
 
@PeeHaa oh sweet, where at?
 
order desk
 
not spoken to him in a long time, I might ping him a twatter
 
11:23 PM
I feel like I might find some magic chris soap code in there :P
@DaveRandom He "just" moved to japan
 
@PeeHaa it's also theoretically possible to run HTTP and HTTPS on a single TCP port btw, really not sure why that isn't a thing
in both protocols the client sends the first payload, and the server can easily distinguish between the two
 
if incoming ssl crap -> upgrade?
aight
 
You can do it from the first byte alone
there must be some reason why that's not a thing though
 
My first instinct is somehow security
something something downgrade something
shrug
 
idk, I mean obv the registered ports 80/443 have existed for a very long time, and were probably assigned that way to keep software simple, but in retrospect I realised that both SMTP and FTP do it the other way, and they have been around for just as long
 
11:29 PM
smtp only does it the other way for starttls
tls "proper" does run on a separate port
is ftp also like starttls ?
 
yeh that's what I though, but it turns out not. You can assign an explicit SMTP/TLS connector to listen on the same port as raw SMTP in exchange, since at least exch 2005
and filezilla server supports explicit/implicit tls on the same port as well
it's not obvious, but it doesn;t complain when you do it
 
huh now I want that in my smtp server too :P
 
@PeeHaa it's FTP. There's like 9 different ways to accomplish the same thing, just like every other element of FTP :-P
such a stupid protocol
 
:-)
 
I'm not sure whether I hate FTP or SMTP more... I mean for all it's faults, at least the problems with SMTP are only syntactical, FTP just creates sockets for fun
and srsly what the ever loving shit is the deal with the port spec with PASV
 
11:34 PM
I only have love for smtp :P
 
I get the idea of breaking up an int16 into two int8s to avoid endianness confusion, but why in the name of all that is holy would you then transmit that as a comma separated pair of ASCII decimals
 
@DaveRandom that shit always reminded me of working in a software team and having a manager who thinks he is technical and has "awesome" ideas
 
it is like they were deliberately trying to make people write non-obvious code
tftp makes more sense, and that makes very little sense either
"yes I know TCP is a thing, but I want to re-implement it in UDP"
although that said, all of this pales in comparison to that mental novell netware DHCP extension which transmits boot files in DHCP packets
 
ha novell
Yes fuck you too Dave
What's next? Lotus?
 
11:57 PM
@DaveRandom Yeah, the composer package will have extra stuff, but keeping things in sync is a pretty high priority. Not sure.
 
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