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10:01 PM
this is why my computer is in my living room
granted, my alarm clock is backlit, and I have it pointed towards my bed, and it's bright as fuck
 
that gotta be annoying
 
I have to have it pointed towards my bed so the time displayed on the ceiling is readable from bed
 
When I finally moved out of my parents and bought my own place, having my PC in a different room to my bed was perhaps the biggest quality of life change
 
@MarkR 2 minds about this
on the one hand yes definitely, but on the other hand I hate a TV without a PC attached to it
btw this why I have 2 desk sets in the first place, one lives on the desk and the other lives on/around/sometimes in the bed
 
I have a laptop next to my bed, but I only really use it for answering skype and watching YouTube. When I used to sleep and work in the same room i'd literally move 2 foot from my bed, to my desk, and spend 95% of my time in the same 4 square meters.
 
10:13 PM
\o
 
@DaveRandom in the bed? why?
 
what kind of desk fits in bed?
 
desk set
mouse/keyboard
:-P
 
ah
 
10:14 PM
vicinity of desk+bed @MarkR ^^
 
uncomfortable sleeping
 
I should move the cat tree out of my bedroom...
@DaveRandom nice bong :P
 
that
 
Further away than mine was at the time. My monitor would be where there second wardrobe door was, but facing towards the bed
 
@Tiffany I cannot help but visualise a tree made out of cats
@Tiffany it's pretty decent yeh :-P /cc @Ekin
 
10:16 PM
though the one in my room isn't like that... I'll send you a picture...
 
another room picture, let's see if we can have a bong fight
 
not sending it in chat 😛 my room isn't clean, I'm also not that brave.
 
You're a programmer, I'd be surprised if any of your house was clean :P
 
No prb send it lol
 
my room is tidy
not the same thing as clean
 
10:19 PM
me too because I get married
 
I mean srsly I have labelled baskets containing different types of cables, that is tidy af
 
I have a wall full of individually boxed cables \o/ problem is ... that wall is in my dining room, making my dining room only useful for storage
 
@DaveRandom Are those write-only baskets, or do you occasionally pick stuff out?
 
oh the stuff in those baskets changes a lot
 
I reused some amazon boxes, painted them white, and labeled them with a marker
they are also stored under my bed
 
10:20 PM
lately I've only been cooking for the doggo, thus my kitchen is the messiest place of mah house
 
I have at least two boxes of "useful wire things", and I can't remember a single instance when I took something out. Then again I don't dabble in, well, anything related to cables.
 
@AndrasDeak but I am not actually a programmer, despite hanging out here, my job results in me using random cables a lot more than yours does (I assume) :-P
 
but... as @PeeHaas mom said at least twice, Sexy Women Have Messy Kitchensâ„¢
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@DaveRandom yeah, me neither, but I'm on the other side of things ;)
 
...the law?
 
10:21 PM
also cable management is a big issue now :-P cause my doggo keeps eating extension cords
 
lol
 
@DaveRandom Yeah, when you hear talk about the "long arm" it's actually mine
No, I'm a physicist
 
oh cool
 
I've destroyed far more cables from personally chewing them out of stress / boredom at my desk than my pets have in their time =\
 
@Ekin that doesn't sound very safe :(
 
10:22 PM
@AndrasDeak let me guess... you normally live in the python room? :-P
 
@DaveRandom I'll let you guess ;)
 
I mean, he's an RO of the python room... that should give a hint...
 
@MarkR that also doesn't sound very safe
 
lol CHATLAB is my favourite thing I have seen today
 
@AndrasDeak RIP so many headphones
 
10:23 PM
@DaveRandom heh, too many people come there not realizing it's a language-specific room
 
@AndrasDeak "...but mostly, because they didn't get invite to those sorts of parties"
 
ftr I am recreationaly physicist @AndrasDeak, but basically I only know enough to know that I don't know anything
 
I saw your bong, so I presume "physics" is a euphemism for weed
 
gravity and thermodynamics, that's about the extent of my physics knowledge :X
 
10:25 PM
@AndrasDeak I mean it wasn't, but also that yes
 
I guess schrodinger's cat and the theory that I can either know where I'm at or the speed I'm going...? I guess I don't know that theory like I thought I did
 
@DaveRandom for the most part so do I by the way
 
basically I had one lecture from Brian Cox when I was 18 and now I would like to have his babies
also I have read basically every wikipedia article even vaguely related to nuclear physics at least once
that's the same as a doctorate, right?
 
fo sho
 
@Tiffany Newtonian or einsteinien?
 
10:28 PM
presumably newtonian, you don't learn relativity in high school
 
neither do you learn quantum mechanics, at least not here, not even close
 
I don't understand qunatum
and I don't mean in a Sagan "if you think you understood it you didn't understand" kind of way, I mean like even slightly
 
I thought I was getting a little bit of a handle on quantum, then I was introduced to quantum field theory and just nope'd out.
 
that's exactly the point to nope out so I don't blame you
 
I should still read what path integrals are about...
 
10:31 PM
afaict quantum is basically "Yeh, so you know how you could kind of visualise everything up to this point? Sorry, but no, not happening any more."
 
@DaveRandom that's also true for relativity for what it's worth
 
"You know how everything is made of stuff? Well, what if it wasn't"
 
What gets me is half life... that's just weird.
 
that's mostly math though
 
@AndrasDeak idk I never had too much of an issue with the basic fundamental concept of relativity (at least w.r.t. gravitiation), you are measuring the rate at which things fall through space rather than the rate at which things magically suck each other towards each other
 
10:35 PM
@DaveRandom I meant curved spacetime and shenanigans like time dilation
 
also I have no real issue with distorting time as a function of the distortion of space, at least on universal scales
 
the twin paradox is just crazy as far as human intuition goes
 
as an ubertrekkie I have spent an awful lot of time thinking about faster-than-light travel, which has caused me to think about the nature of time a lot, I feel almost too comfortable with the idea that there is no "universal now"
also, in case it's not obvious, I don't actually know what I am talking about
 
(I think) I finally twigged how gravitational time dilation worked thanks to a lecture by Brian Greene. I get the curvature portion but spacetime itself moving inwards inside an event horizon continues to confuse me.
 
and ftr I am always happy to be corrected if I said anything that doesn't make sense :-P
 
10:38 PM
@DaveRandom No "universal now" is fine, because if everything travels with at most light speed it makes sense that you can't really talk about stuff happening at the same time in different places. However, if you go on a trip and go home, you'll be younger than those left home; now this is insane.
 
@AndrasDeak no I'm fine with that, as long as no-one is younger than they were when I left
 
(but I didn't mean to hijack your PHPing with other kinds of insanity)
 
@AndrasDeak Physicists Helping Physicists
(ref btw)
 
ah, thanks
 
inertia all, teh, way
 
10:42 PM
why do you think I have the bong
 
this reminded me of imgur.com/gallery/oFtQSpl
 
"huge glass cock" ...should someone tell him that most men don't have fish in their crotch?
 
Welp, I just hit the wall. Goodnight ladies and gentlemen.
 
@MarkR there's a difference? 🙃
 
@Tiffany screamssss :P
 
10:57 PM
basically newton said that everything can be expressed in equations that a 14 year old can grasp, einstein said lolno think harder
at least one of relativity/quantum is wrong as well because they are fundamentally incompatible, but we have yet to find anything consistently wrong with either of them so far
 
Einstein married his first and second cousin as his second wife. Elsa Einstein née Einstein. Doesn't have anything to do with science but if I know it you have to know it too.
 
and I mean like there's a guy whose entire job is measure the distance from the earth to the moon with basically millimetre accuracy, and even then we haven't found the mistake yet
 
@AndrasDeak also read that he was a big misogynist :/
 
@DaveRandom I don't really like "wrong". Newtonian physics works perfectly fine if you want to hit people in the head
 
like slept around and kept his wife locked up pretty much
 
11:00 PM
@Tiffany hmm, I don't know about that, but I suspect that was sort of the default in that era
which is not to make excuses, just maybe not too surprising
plus he was a physicist so...
 
@Tiffany thanks, I'll take a read later
 
@AndrasDeak "not 100% accurate" == "wrong"
(it's PHP, the == operator is a loose comparison)
 
meh
 
but I know what you mean, newtonian is good enough for the real world
 
11:02 PM
except for GPS
 
that kind of the whole point, no-one realised it was wrong until people started obsessing over why mercury was a few seconds late
 
oh, and speed radars
 
seconds
 
Newton and Einstein were sitting in a bar. Einstein turned to Newton and said "I know you think you've got this gravity situation sussed, but I'm going to throw you a curve-ball" ... "Is it that complicated?" asked Newton ... "Relatively" said Einstein.
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it's a fucking planet
@MarkR well, now I am going to have to go re-read relativistic baseball for the 100th time, thanks for that
@AndrasDeak GPS is not the real world
I mean it literally is, but from a computation PoV it's solving a pretty much unique problem
 
11:06 PM
@AndrasDeak don't know how much of it is true, I'd like to stay skeptical but kind of hard to counterpoint it. But, a person can be a genius and an asshole, and can change at a later time so the person is less of an asshole, so given that he was a civil rights activist in the US, I hope that's the case.
 
It's always a losing battle to judge someone from history by the standards of the modern day
 
@Tiffany I'd even go so far to say that the hard science kind of geniuses are more likely to be insufferable
at least there are plenty of famous examples
@DaveRandom meh
 
@Tiffany Winston Churchil regarded basically everything east of switzerland as a land populated by savages who needed to be civilised by force, if he had been in charge and hitler hadn't been around there may have been some ugly af imperial shit happening from the Britain instead
 
Engineering and being socially inept go hand in hand in the majority of the cases IMO
 
"the Britain" lol
 
11:09 PM
@AndrasDeak I don't mean that in a dismissive way btw, I just mean that they are solving a problem that doesn't really apply to many other things in practice
which is fine and awesome and totally a great thing to be doing, and GPS is really one of the great unsung achievements of humanity but... I'm just not that interested in it
 
my cat has deemed it play time, she dragged the wand toy across my apartment to me
 
@Tiffany "wand toy", eh?
 
I want a warp engine @AndrasDeak, anything I can do to help with that, just let me know
 
I gave my cat food so she'd be too distracted to see me go to bed and try and sneak in
 
@DaveRandom your services shall be appreciated in the dilithium mines
 
11:12 PM
 
tickly
 
RIP dilithium
 
@AndrasDeak I mean I was hoping I could just purge the plasma manifolds or whatever but no drama, I'll grab a shovel
 
!!canon fire, first broken screen wins all amador dilithiums
 
@MarkR ...other than this meassge, no comment until the end of the season or at least the mid season break
 
11:13 PM
the entertaining thing, other than her dragging that across the apartment, is she likes me flinging it around like an idiot, otherwise she won't play
 
/me calls it a Sunday. Have a great, fresh new week all
 
I saw a video today about a local test of a "mechanic tuna that pretends to be a fish struggling in death" cat toy. 0.5 out of 4 cats found interest in it.
 
typical
 
it was marketed as a super fantastic cat toy, apparently
 
"but it worked in my environment!" / "it worked in testing!"
 
11:17 PM
@AndrasDeak I like the implication that the mechanical tuna would rather be doing something else, and is merely pretending
you know how there are like 1/2/3 conductor versions of a 3.5mm audio jack, anyone got any idea what the correct terminology for that is for googling connectors?
 
Stereo/mono covers some of it
 
i.e. there are the old mono/stereo ones and the modern one with an extra pin for mic
 
but there's even more to it than the number of pins, hold on
 
in this specific case there isn't
because I'm trying to find a euro module outlet with the 4-pin arrangement
after that it doesn't really matter
but with 4 pins
which I can neither confirm nor deny for any product I have found on the internet
but as long as it's a straight-thru writing arrangement it's fine, which I assume anything like that would be
 
@DaveRandom what I ran into might be specific to mono/stereo converters like delock.com/produkte/G_65344/merkmale.html vs delock.com/produkte/G_65447/merkmale.html
Same number of pins, but something is wired differently so neither fits all devices...
 
11:24 PM
yeh I'm aware of that issue, but what I am doing is basically making a "patch" arrangement so as long as the pins are straight thru it will be compatible with anything
#famouslastwords
 
OK, beyond that I know as much as Jon Snow
 
basically I'm just making an extension cord though
@AndrasDeak fyi in the UK there is a veteran news reader named Jon Snow who knows quite a lot of things
 
heh
 
(might be John, not sure)
brb smoke
 
11:41 PM
...even I will admit that sometimes, I wish windows was less fucking retarded
 
How well does PHP development play with linux?
 
I personally run on *nix and develop on windows, in that I run all my GUI apps on Windows but all the actual executing of code, even in dev, happens in *nix
 
And how much of that is your fault?
 
PHP/Windows works fine but you don't run PHP on windows in production, and you don't develop in an env that is radically different from prod
 
Yeah, the question is whether you could do all of it on linux
 
11:44 PM
@AndrasDeak I think PHP storm works fine on *nix, both Linuxy things and OSX, it's largely built in java
and the whole toolchain around PHP is mostly built in PHP
 
that's good
 
yeh, e.g. I don't think bwoebi owns any Windows of any description
actually that's probably true of the majority of PHPeople, thinking about it, I am the minority probably :-P
(at least in terms of people who roughly know what they are doing)
 
I see, thanks
 
@DaveRandom wrong
 
inb4 joke about looking outside sometimes
the main thing I remember about your computer is that everything was illegibly small, it's like your eyes compensate for your ears
 
11:58 PM
@DaveRandom but I don't actually run PHP on windows apart from the occasional debugging session of windows specific issues
 
Wes
Connection closed abnormally while awaiting message; Code 1006 (ABNORMAL_CLOSE);
any idea what could this be
 
@DaveRandom yeah, my retina MBP at native resolution
 
@Wes context? :-P
 
@Wes sounds like websocket
 
Wes
websocket indeed (amphp's component)
 
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