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6:00 PM
you've been redditing a lot lately
 
I'm not wrong, am I ?
 
no, but xkcd.com/386
 
@Paul It's a classic, but it's a dated classic.
 
I figure as much, but still seems like something I should work through
 
Might want to read something newer that has a stronger SSA focus
 
6:08 PM
I'm open to recommendations
 
even zend_jit is quite understandable
 
@Paul Engineering a Compiler by Cooper & Torczon
 
excellent. thank you.
 
Only $81
 
@NikiC how much of this did you read before you decided you probably couldn't work on it ?
 
6:15 PM
@JoeWatkins The dasc file...
 
I mean developing for other platforms archs, I've no idea ... but when it comes to implementing features, this is not that complicated ...
 
I can work of it, will just take time
 
@StatikStasis well
 
its even, quite nice ...
 
I found it interesting that it has lua files and a lua interpreter
 
6:15 PM
@JoeWatkins And well, my first attempt at debugging this wasn't particularly encouraging
Apparently it's normal that gdb completely freezes out when you use it with the JIT
If there's no way to fix that, that would be really ... inconvenient
 
you mean scary, it's scary ... and I agree with that, and it's not ready to go anywhere yet ... but the more I actually read of the stuff I'm able to understand, the better I feel about it ... still not going anywhere near 7.4 ...
he's really done a nice job here, the only thing I'll be interacting with is the zend_jit_* API, and that is nice, and easy to understand ...
it's not so different from libjit at that level, without having a clue how you'll implement the stuff that's missing ... but I don't need a clue about that, quite happy to leave that to other people ...
 
i have a binary(8) column in a mysql database, and i'm trying to calculate the distance between an input hash and db-stored hashes. similar to: SELECT BIT_COUNT(0x751a0b19f0c2783f ^ 0xb184d44a4e35b5e9).... except something like SELECT *, BIT_COUNT(perceptual_hash ^ 0xb184d44a4e35b5e9) FROM table isn't working... any ideas?
 
evemongs
 
when bob said the other day that this wasn't as complicated as opcache, I thought he was being a smart ass, but actually, I think in a few weeks, possibly less, I'll be able to agree with that ...
yo jay
I'll probably get it totally wrong for the first year or whatever, but who cares, we should have that long before it matters ...
 
@JoeWatkins Yeah, I meant that totally seriously
 
6:30 PM
to be clear, don't regret any action taken thus far, shouldn't go into 7.4, shouldn't go into anything without windows support, certain things must be fixed before we can consider it viable ... but the future doesn't look so dark after just a little reading ...
 
I definitely don't wish to see it in 7.4 either
 
I thought you were just being your normal 100x smarter than me ...
@DaveRandom need JIT on lxr please, asap, not searchable on github
yeah the dasc stuff is still a little scary, but I'm just going to ignore that it exists for now ... although it doesn't look like the kind of thing I'll never understand, I've just got no experience at all there ... but most of the time when we're doing new features, we are reusing, and it's all there for very easy reuse
just one very ...
 
@JoeWatkins yep, I don't understand everything either, but it has a reference, we can look up things
and I'm sure we'll manage to write the dasc code
 
yeah, reuse there too is also possible, I would suppose
I just picked a random function from dasc zend_jit_fetch_obj_read
I can mostly read it, except for the weird syntax, but even within that, you can read it ....
 
6:47 PM
I'm modelling an a kind-of event/game system and can't decide how to store purchases/participations. Right now I'm thinking of "events" table (has all the game-specific details), "items" table (represents a purchasable item, could be one game or a bundle), then "orders" (holds payment details, status). When an order is complete, an entry in "participations" table is created. Does this seem over engineered?
 
I'm going to set myself the challenge of implementing a new (pointless) operator, I'm going to do it by next weekend ... if I can do that in a week, you guys can do absolutely anything in a year ... and should it be voted into 7.4 because of ignorance, the world doesn't need to burn ...
 
@Ekin That's better. =P
 
@JoeWatkins good idea :-)
 
@JoeWatkins how 'bout a tetration operator? it's the last thing php needs
 
I'm not going to decide what until I've read some more, it will be totally pointless, but it will work, and show we can do this even if it happens to early ...
 
7:02 PM
Is 'bread crumb' when used for displaying location in a web app one word or two?
 
one
 
+1
I mean +2
I mean it's one word ...
 
what a ride that was
 
I had more, but I'll stop ...
I have a question, a boring one ...
does rogue wave technically own the fork where this was developed ?
and what happens when zend and rogue wave part company ?
 
@JoeWatkins Isn't it under the php license?
 
7:10 PM
I mean they can't own it, but do they in any sense have any claim to the copyrights ?
@PeeHaa license != copyright
 
I know
But why do you think copyright matters for this specific thing?
 
I've never wondered about it before, because there was never any question of zend being liquidated, or whatever is happening to them ...
 
It doesn't matter who owns the copyright as the license explicitly tells you what you can do with the code
 
@JoeWatkins that isn't a question that'd be easy to answer, even if we had all the information available (their contracts, etc.)
 
> [PHP 4, PHP 5 and PHP 7 are distributed under the PHP License v3.01, copyright (c) the PHP Group. ](php.net/license/index.php)
fail...
 
7:12 PM
chat markdown strikes again
 
could this be a reason for the sudden push from zend do you think ?
 
Considering that "the PHP group" is not even a thing.... :P
@JoeWatkins @Ekin had the same thought
 
@JoeWatkins I'd guess it was related to Rogue Wave being acquired sdtimes.com/devops/…
 
does anybody know whether changing databases through mysqli_select_db($connection,$db) is heavy, performance wise?
 
@PeeHaa here.
 
7:15 PM
@JayIsTooCommon lol hola o/
 
@JoeWatkins it might be, it might be a way to declare that their work on php isn't over, it might be that they just had a bunch of time freed up
 
@messinismarios heavy? performance wise?
 
\o
!!version
 
i don't think speculation about it goes anywhere useful though
 
7:16 PM
whether it slows down the script by a significant amount of time
 
@messinismarios Why would it?
 
i don't know, that's why I'm asking
 
confused look as to where this question might be coming from
@messinismarios But if you don't know why ask this specific thing?
 
@JoeWatkins No comment.
 
@NikiC I see
 
7:18 PM
@JoeWatkins you have the power, as does Bob and load of people... ssh to it and cat readme in home directory
 
@DaveRandom oh sorry for noise then
 
For one it's super easy to test @messinismarios
Secondly how often do you actually call it that it is a concern of yours :P
 
I know it's called init_db, there's forty layers of crap between you and the server ... because php ...
 
how would someone go about testing it
i call it 2/3 times in a form submission script
the only reason I'm asking is to be sure that i will not have to change the entire database skeleton later on
 
Profile it, look at top, log it, however you want
@JayIsTooCommon How's you?
 
7:22 PM
grab a stopwatch, start it, run code, stop it, read time
 
@PeeHaa he's busy, trying to find his own pink hat ...
 
@PeeHaa I'm good thanks! But trying to code after not doing it properly for a year is incredibly painful. Feel like I'm at square one. How are you?
is this room still pretty much the same or has anything dramatic happened? Anyone died?
 
@Paul pffft amateur ... grab stop watch, eat 10 marshmallows, stop watch, start test, stuff face with marshmallows COUNT, maths, puke ....
 
i knew i should have included a stopwatch on my budget
 
7:24 PM
that's so jay ...
@messinismarios and marshmallows ...
 
@JayIsTooCommon Good good :)
@JayIsTooCommon Same old same old
 
i mean, who said i didn't include marshmallows in my budget :/
marshmallows are always included
 
I can only do marshmallows with hot chocolate anymore :(
 
@PeeHaa have you turned @Ekin into an alcoholic yet?
 
oh ofc, apologies
 
7:25 PM
@paul tried them once, was not disappointed
 
@JayIsTooCommon I died, but then came back ...
 
oh for a real treat try mexican hot chocolate... it's another level of yummy
 
@JayIsTooCommon Nope. Wouldn't dare :P
 
@PeeHaa ^ there's my 10 year challenge if you want a laugh
@JoeWatkins that's good. How long were you dead for?
 
hahahahahha
 
7:28 PM
:45242904 I saw that flash by like a subliminal message
 
@JayIsTooCommon quite a while, can't remember exactly ... however long the big whitespace is on my github thing ...
 
@Paul Swear you were an RO
 
I was, then I wasn't
 
who did you piss off?
 
dunno, never asked
 
7:29 PM
@JoeWatkins well I'm glad you're back
 
me too ... for a while, until next time ... it's kinda an emerging pattern, learning to deal with it ...
 
disappearances are healthy sometimes. Routines suck
 
not being able to do much half of most years is a bit shit, but the half of the year I can do stuff is good fun ...
 
I'm fucking gutted there's no PHPNW or SW anymore. R11 meet up's need to be a thing.
 
@JoeWatkins word
 
7:31 PM
@JayIsTooCommon fwiw you were and still are a pretty boy
 
so pretty, I would ...
 
@JayIsTooCommon We're still waiting for you to come find us :)
 
@PeeHaa You don't exactly hide in convenient places
 
you should all make your way to spain in summer ... pool, beer, weeds, plenty of room ... free holiday ... benidorm ~45 minutes away ...
 
7:33 PM
@JayIsTooCommon I know I know :P
 
here's a question that might make me look stupider. Is PHP Amsterdam English-speaking?
 
@JayIsTooCommon Maybe ping rafael?
@rdohms, Amsterdam, Netherlands
Computer Engineer, PHP Evangelist and Gamer. Enabler of the AmsterdamPHP Community. Loves code and growing communities.
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php.amsterdam "An english-speaking group for PHP"
 
> The conference is completely in English and is focused on mobile- and web development related to PHP technology.
ey!
let's go.
 
hey @Jay haven't seen you around in a while
 
7:47 PM
hey o/ long time no speak
 
 
3 hours later…
10:55 PM
@Paul What does that contain?
@PeeHaa You there?
@JayIsTooCommon I'd have to fly across the Atlantic to meetup with all of you guys- but that would be fun. How is the police force?
 
11:20 PM
@JayIsTooCommon what do you mean? Is it for the same reason as DerbyCon?
are we really moving toward "walled garden" scene?
 
Wes
@Danack how so?
 
11:38 PM
@Wes omg srsly discovery
 
Wes
i gave up it's a mess
 
@JoeWatkins no worries, did you sort it?
I guess not, not sure which repo you're referring to but if you ping me a link I will sort it. It's essentially just sudo git clone git@github.com:user/repo.git /srv/sources/repo@branch though, then wait a bit
the bigger the thing, the long it will take to index, ps | grep OpenGrok to look for places to debug
but read the readme, it has all the info :-P
@Wes I have a feeling it's going to come together well eventually, but on a slow burn/big crescendo sort of thing
but I cannot cope with the cliffhangers
 
as a side-note: "Stellaris" is really nice game, but it is a Paradox game ... the current investment amounts to 140€ (wait for sale)
 
Wes
@DaveRandom rumors say they cancelled it already
 
that is a lot of money for a game
@Wes netflix... I dunno... I'm giving it some room. I like it a lot more than ENT I'll say that much
 
Wes
11:45 PM
pbs will never sell it to netflix
enterprise was a traditional star trek
even if the stories weren't that good at first
 
I really just did not warm to it at all, I have seen all of it but only once and not planning to again
 
@DaveRandom that's how Paradox games work
they make a 30€ 50€ game, and then release DLC ever 3 month-ish
 
In many ways it's good that I am not much of a gamer, otherwise I would be even more screwed
 
lol
nobody here is a "much of a gamer"
we have PCs ans we have few free days per month
 
I don't even have them :-P
 
11:51 PM
also, the wine is gone :(
 
(but also generally no inclination)
 
@DaveRandom the funniest part about it is that it make you quite a rare specimen
 
Wes
@DaveRandom have you seen the mummy 2017?
 
@tereško all that effort I put into being weird, turns out I actually am
@Wes no, should I?
I assumed it would be awful and didn't give it a lot of thought
unfairly, possibly
 
Wes
no
 
11:55 PM
:-P
 
@DaveRandom well .. sure .. you are trying to be flippant, but there are people who actually have that attitude
 
I mean I am not the most comfortable person in the own skin in the whole world... but yeh I realise it makes me sort of odd, around the time I got into programming I got out of gaming, dunno if that's related or not, but these days I mostly play (very) old things or trivial stuff like 2048 (which I still idly play on the tram and stuff)
and I have a penchant for GTA
 
Wes
@DaveRandom anyway, it's an abomination
the same guy that wrote that shit is the one that is writing STD
it's the worst movie i've ever saw
 

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