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1:00 PM
okk nope (O_O)
 
@DaveRandom well, when switching from 7.2 to 7.3, the exception will change
 
related: does anyone see any value in a uopz-based forward compat lib for JSON_THROW_ON_ERROR in <7.3?
 
I ticked a "I am not a robot" checkbox on some site today. So I guess I am real.
 
That's what a robot would say
 
1:01 PM
ah, it's an internal one
 
I don't know...sometimes I do things automatically ... maybe I'm a robot at the end
 
yeh I wrap it in 7.3
 
www.reddit.com/r/totallynotrobots
 
@AtanvarCoslin that doesn't make sense.
 
Why have 3 functions files instead of 1 over 3 different minimum version supported releases?
 
1:02 PM
You mean: that does not compute
 
Also, before I forget, @DaveRandom Thank You <3
 
@Sean I don't know how to do that sensibly and also semver
@mega6382 um... yw?
what for?
 
for example:
when it is evening you go to bed without thinking, if you find a sexy girl who asks you to leave you do not think twice ... your robot instinct tells you that for certain situations you have to do certain actions
 
@Sean I don't dream of electric sheep.
 
oh right
 
1:04 PM
@DaveRandom Upon your persuasion, I started watching Futurama over the weekend. And I have to say it really is great.
:P
 
@Sean basically that was the only sane way I could see to make it so that a constraint of "^1.0" works universally the same, while also taking advantage of the native
 
of course I'm joking
 
anyway it's based on a constant expr require so I think opcache will still do its magic
@mega6382 :-D
 
Aye
 
@mega6382 but how cool it is?
 
1:07 PM
@AtanvarCoslin really cool... :P
 
what episode did you get?
 
@mega6382 There are only really 3 shows where if someone says "I don't like that" then I'm like 99% confident they just haven't watched it properly/when they were in the right mindset; Futurama, Firefly and Arrested Development. So far I haven't met anyone who continues to not like any of those shows after having watched/rewatched
 
@AtanvarCoslin About mid of the 3rd season. I think.
 
great...
the sixth and seventh are those that have more episodes
theoretically
 
Must admit I shyed away from anything Firefly because of all the hype around it
fanbases are scary yo
 
1:12 PM
@DaveRandom Yeah, I too really like Both Firefly and Arrested Development. And I guess Futurama too now. I haven't watched the latest season(2018) of Arrested Development. But I will say the 2013's season was a bit less than the earlier seasons.
 
@mega6382 you should also watch the "remixed" S4 (the 2013 one, only re-cut so it's more fluid). The new eps are better (imo), as well
although I've only got to ep~5
I forget exactly
 
I also, really love Deadwood, I just wish they conclude the story someday.
 
@Sean slightly jealous, because that means you still have the experience of watching it first time ahead of you :-P
 
@Sean I did the same thing, but 1 day with nothing else to watch, I pirated it, and it was so amazing. And I was so disappointed that it only lasted 1 season. But serenity helped. I wish they'd make more season.
 
1:17 PM
@mega6382 Ian McShane did a nerdist last year I think, he basically said "everyone would do it if someone gave us the money to make it", although I think it's another think like arrested development where the hardest part would be getting everyone's schedules aligned
 
@DaveRandom With HBO's current successes, they should have a lot of money. Especially for such a legendary series like Deadwood.
 
@DaveRandom this statement is wonderful! :O
 
@Ekin do you like CoB? if so, try Norther, preferrably their first one Death Unlimited.
 
guess what TV series I look at ...
:)
 
@Gordon call of beauty? :P yeah I saw you were listening to Norther, will check
oh is it children of bodom?
 
1:25 PM
@Ekin yes
 
yeah, it's been a good while I haven't listened to them
 
I'm watching the Gomorra series
 
@Wes ? I don't remember seeing one like this anywhere.
 
1:43 PM
o/
 
👍
 
💩🖕
 
ewe
with alt I can even do the tilde ... look ~
and then :)~
 
2:02 PM
you know, n the latest update of windows is a feature to open emoji portal by pressing "WIN+." keys
 
I'm still on 7.
I'm slow to migrate.
 
@mega6382 oh! That's a real thing.
 
windows + a dot ?¿
 
Interesting it's synced recently used with what I have on my second phone (windows phone).
 
@mega6382 epical!
 
2:10 PM
@StatikStasis fyi you can still get the free upgrade (and you should do it)
 
Eventually.
I need to build a whole new system. My system is about 5 years old now.
 
I haven't booted my windows in five years or something
I'll go for cloud gaming eventually
 
You stay on Linux for the most part?
 
I have to do the update!
 
@StatikStasis for all parts
 
2:17 PM
Which distro?
 
ubuntu 16.04
 
I used ubuntu for a year but then changing computers I came back to windows
 
I used it for a while personally (besides machines at work), but gaming is what kept me on Windows. From what I heard recently in here Wine has got a lot better though. I remember my friend trying to run a WoW raid and the whole time he could not see his character through the whole raid.
 
I am not using Wine. I cannot be bothered. It either works on Linux or it doesn't.
 
@Gordon No Skyrim?!? o_O
 
2:30 PM
@StatikStasis no Skyrim, no Fallout 4
 
=(
It's worth being bothered.
@Gordon Here you go, buddy. winehq.org
 
cannot be bothered
 
I think that extreme metal has broke something.
 
I dont have a dedicated gfx adapter in my thinkpad, so even if skyrim works on wine, I wouldn't be able to play it
like I said, I'll try cloud gaming eventually
 
Besides running an Ultima Online server to reminisce, Skyrim might be the longest game I have ever played.
 
2:34 PM
that would be minecraft for me
or maybe the original Pirates on the C64. I remember to have spent ages on it
Also Moonstone. I indulged on that heavily
But yeah, if I had clocked the time, it's likely Pirates
 
@DaveRandom This is a fair thought
 
@Gordon try Oxygen Not Included :D
 
@Gordon I've not played Pirates. I've almost picked it up several times.
 
Does anyone here know if it is possible to create/annotate relationships between doctrine entities and non-doctrine tables?
 
Has anyone used PHPCS standard for long lines (say, no > 120 characters), but knows how to configure it to ignore comments?
 
2:47 PM
@StatikStasis it's more like a casual game by today's standards but 30 years ago it was endless hours of privateering and treasure hunting
 
I thought you meant the 2004 enhanced remake.
 
I have the remake as well. It's pretty much the same with updated graphics.
 
You can run all the emulators on Linux, right? SNES, N64 emulators?
other console game emulators...?
Lots of good gaming there at least.
 
I guess. But the remake will do fine. It's just very likely not capturing you the same nowdays
 
posted on June 11, 2018

New Cyanide and Happiness Comic

 
2:54 PM
I bought a PS Vita a few years ago just for all of the RPGs I wanted to replay. Final Fantasy, Disgaea, Xenogears, Chrono Trigger... lots of great rpgs. I wish I was at the right version to hack it so I could use SNES roms.
 
A lot of these old games have lost their fancy. I tried Planescape Torment Enhanced Edition last week and it was sooooo slow and annoying to play.
 
I don't usually have the time to play them much anymore. Only new game i picked up recently was TaB. Other than that if I have time to play a game I'll hop on Skyrim.
 
In my opinion, all the RPGs and the old redone games have become boring and slow
 
Please how do I run an existing codebase on Laragon?
I just got the source code, and I want to run it within Laragon
I have Laragon up and running
The localhost:80/ site displays
But when I try pointing to the project from Laragon (localhost:80/webproject/public), I get this error -
This page isn’t working
localhost is currently unable to handle this request.
 
Laragon… TIL… and I wish I hadn't
 
3:01 PM
What's TIL?
 
!!urban TIL
 
[ TIL ] T.I.L. (Today I Learned) Often used as a space saver on websites such as Reddit or DIGG when writing the titles of links to interesting things the submitter has learned that day.
 
Oh okay
 
@gbade_ ie No one here has heard of Laragon before.
 
So how can I resolve this issue?
@jjok
 
3:02 PM
by not using Laragon?
 
Wow
*sigh lol
 
Good advice tbh
!!urban tbh
 
[ tbh ] to be honest
 
I know that @Jeeves
I'm not exactly hermit lol
*a
 
Almost gym time! Time to dose up on supplements.
 
3:06 PM
Does anyone know of a good/modern library for generating PDFs in PHP?
 
I use an old one called fpdf. I need to find another... but it works for my needs.
 
@jjok Try wkhtmltopdf, but I've no idea about its support with php.
 
@mega6382 Yeah. That's what we've currently got. Maybe I just need to write a better wrapper for it?
 
@Gordon ahha : D
 
@StatikStasis All the PHP libraries are ones that are on phpclasses.org :/
 
3:12 PM
@jjok I don't know, could be. But what are you having the trouble with btw?
 
@jjok either wkhtmltopdf or Chrome headless with PDF exporting...
 
@mega6382 We were hoping to just have a lib we could install with Composer, rather than having to install libraries on the server.
 
@jjok ahh. otherwise I was about to suggest github.com/krakjoe/wkhtmltox
 
It seems like such a thing doesn't exist.
 
> TODO Make PDF
 
3:16 PM
?
 
Chrome headless, does not yet have support for making pdf in php.
 
@Danack I guess I'll either stick with wkhtmltopdf
@pmmaga Or give Joe's extension a go.
 
Think I'll end up doing that too, we're running using exec for wkhtmltopdf atm
 
@mega6382 hmm - does this not work google-chrome --headless --disable-gpu --print-to-pdf http://www.example.com/ ?
 
It's uh annoying
 
3:18 PM
@Sean That's what we're doing.
 
@Danack I don't know, maybe, I guess. But its not in the official library for php yet. Where it'll be easier to use the features of making pdf etc :P
 
@mega6382 I wasn't aware there was an official library. I think I've also been using it with DMore\ChromeDriver as a behat/mink driver, that I thought captured PDFs. Will check if that's usable tomorrow.
 
@Danack Sorry, it isn't official, I just assumed it was. Just looked into it and its not. :)
 
lol
 
3:31 PM
@Danack if you go ahead so I will die of laughter
:D
 
o/
 
\o
 
0/
 
\0
 
3:36 PM
\o/
 
evening room
 
Hey Linus
Alright time for gym- see ya in a bit. ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ
 
have 200 push up target.
:P
 
Aww man. Found a job listing that was like yes...yes...YES...awww. DOD contract.
 
3:40 PM
why not
just apply
 
I won't work for the government. And definitely not the DOD.
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier What, is he planning to use all of those?
 
that's stupid
 
I have moral compunctions about it.
 
@tereško Well he is a 12 year old, and he lives in Utah. So, I guess that explains it all. :P
 
3:42 PM
sounds about right
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier and yet I did not ask that question!
 
Am I the new Jay?
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier google.it/…
 
@AtanvarCoslin Weren't you the one asking for PHP in SO text?
 
3:47 PM
Were you trolling?
 
O_O have you seen? I changed my name
 
Oh. Rofl. You were Ergot.
 
ahhaah bro,
thanks for letting me discover what Ergot was ...
 
I don't care what you change your name to. You'll always be ergot to me. <3
 
Do you appreciate me for what I am? a malignant mushroom?
Fuck, I'm working with node js ... do not hate me but in my opinion it's the most hateful language in the world!
 
3:54 PM
@AtanvarCoslin Try typescript.
 
is it similar?
I've never used it before...
 
@AtanvarCoslin Its better, its a layer over Node.js. It is compiled into node.js code. So, you don't have to interact with node directly.
 
Interesting...
I will see it :D thank you
 
yw
 
4:12 PM
hey
I'm sorry about my unclear question a few hours ago
 
!!blame microsoft
 
user image
2
 
no shit github
 
So let me explain myself better
 
4:15 PM
you've been failing for almost 24h
it's only now you update your statuspage?
they're really shitty
 
Do you know the "xxx results found" when you search something on Google?
well, my site have a search form
and I want to display the number of results found
 
the number on Google is fake though
 
but how can I do that?
 
@GuilhermeR depends on your code, and what kind of a search your using. If you are querying the db than you can just count the returned rows etc
 
@mega6382 yes I am using a SELECT query to retrieve db information
 
4:31 PM
no autocomplete results for function names that do exist – #76447
 
@GuilhermeR you can also look at stackoverflow.com/a/2229233/291626
 
When you guys get a project what's the first thing you guys do? Figure out the abstractions and their interaction or the wireframes?
 
4:47 PM
@Allenph First of all, We make sure to get all the requirements in as much details as we can from client. Then we get the graphics design department to make a wireframe/mockup of the UI. And in the meanwhile the dev team starts researching the requirements, to find out any existing libraries to handle some of the work(or all, if such exists) and the competitors to see how they are doing it. And then we figure out which environment to use i.e. OS, lang, etc.
And then we start working on making a structure for how we will be writing the code(abstractions etc)
 
^That's a good answer. I draw on paper for the UI and do a lot of scribbling. =/
 
I think that the most difficult part of working on a team in a professional environment is remembering not to use profanity and other obscenities when debugging stuff
 
@Alesana Or you can do what @tereško does, and use all the profanity and other obscenities in R11. :P
 
I feel like that's the wrong way to go about it @mega6382.
 
I also use them at work
 
4:51 PM
Why is that?
 
I work on a legacy project
 
Do you cuss in English or Latvian?
 
actually, I use English and Russian for that
mostly english when it is my fault and russian where someone else has fucked up
 
@tereško I don't doubt it :P
 
4:53 PM
I wasn't sure if I had ever heard Latvian spoken or not. youtube.com/watch?v=Nj8-zQ5S3-Y?x
 
Can I do SELECT COUNT(*) from xxx where xxx = xxx and mysqli_fetch_array to echo?
 
@StatikStasis her intonation is off at times (she might not be a native-speaker or has lived long time abroad), but otherwise, yeah, it's about right
 
@GuilhermeR sure, knock yourself out.
 
thanks
I'll figure it out
 
and her russian also seems to be quite good, but with the same strange intonation
 
4:58 PM
@tereško That sounds so weird.
 
It says she met her husband in England. Maybe she has lived away for a while. First time I've ever seen her.
 
@mega6382 Because in the initial planning I feel like it's easier to talk about what abstractions the site is made up of; not what views it has.
That a products exists, and a customer, etc. And how all those things interact with each other.
 
I always start with the views and then determine what I need to make it happen. You probably have a lot more formal training than I do though. @Allenph
 
I have zero formal training. But that's what the DDD book said if I understood it right.
Plus if you do it write your services and aggregates map directly to the English that describes them...you can talk to the client and translate it directly to your code.
 
@mega6382 I am not surprised :P
 
5:01 PM
I always start with the end result that I want and work my way backwards. However, I try not to plan it out so it only serves one purpose- so your desire to think about abstractions seems very reasonable.
I like to think about the database schema earlier than most I've noticed.
 
@tereško I usually really like the eastern European accents, those are few of my favorite accents but this was very weird. :P
 
When I tell people where I am from they usually assume I talk like this: youtube.com/watch?v=rbU65uCUzTs?x ...I don't... at all.
 
@mega6382 TBH, as I mentioned it - the way she speaks is actually a bit weird, because the intonations and emphases are very exaggerated
 
@StatikStasis I am sure @Allenph talks like that. :P
@Allenph Yeah, but you have to realize that in the 1st phase 3 different teams are working separately on this. 1st is of graphic designers, working on UI cause what the hell else they have to do. 2nd is the Dev team working on all the things I mentioned previously. And the 3rd is team consisting of "Product Owner", "Team Leads", "SEO Team" etc. And they decide the "user stories" and other such things.
But the actual methods of integrating the abstractions is usually standard(every dev team have kind of their own) with a little variance depending on the specifics of the project to make things faster.
 
I have say some midwestern things like moun-en and took up some Southern words from North Florida, but the accent is pretty much isolated to there.
@mega6382 My point is that those teams should be working together, not separately, on something everyone can understand.
And the only thing those teams have in common with each other is that they're all trying to implement the same set of abstractions.
 
5:18 PM
@Allenph Well, even though they do work separately, there is still a lot of collaboration between them. These things are happening separately but everyone is being updated with everything and everyone is allowed to object to and purpose their own opinions etc
 
And what are they talking about together?
More than likely they're already talking about abstractions.
 
Mostly, yes, amongst other things.
 
@AtanvarCoslin good on you :)
@mega6382 not sure. I mostly "wat" when reading it
@mega6382 ... I was really not hoping that would garner upvotes :/
 
Stupid auto-pilots, senselessly voting everything in their way.
 
I'm not quite sure I understand why, when launching an amphp/http-server, I need to relaunch the server when I make changes. Is the code "frozen" in the server's process? am I missing a caching setting?
 
5:44 PM
yes, the definition of your classes and functions are frozen at including files.
php doesn't support overwriting already defined classes and functions.
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier as I understand it, the up app is continously running, so you need to exit it, before new code is loaded
 
ooohh. right. the server gets up, loads all classes, and responds with those loaded definitions from the loaded environment
I guess that's the price to pay for not having to load up everything on each request
... wouldn't a .html template file still be "dynamic" however?
 
6:00 PM
@FélixGagnon-Grenier No. Only the values would be.
 
and the answer is yes, reading a file from disk reads the file from disk ;)
I was just misdirected by twig not being a jerk and keeping template definitions loaded in the environment after first use
 
It reloads the template files over and over?
 
it depends on your values of "it"
a cached templating system will have cached the file after the first read, so changing the file will have no effect on the output
file_get_contents will always read the actual content of a file.
 
Hmm.
 
@sj-i ta
@tereško yep. not sure why I was so intent on expecting something else.
 
Wes
6:10 PM
even very reasonable people fail to see that clearly void shouldn't be special. should just be null
semantically
they are making of it a big deal. it's just null
 
@Wes I would have hated to have that last name in school.
2
 
Wes
:B
 
@StatikStasis One of our local beers: butcombe.com - The bartender looks at me funny when I ask for it by nickname.
 
=D
That's hilarious.
@Danack LOL! Glad I read that before you edited.
 
Wes
lol
i read it too :B
 
6:17 PM
@Danack Do they make cream liquor?
 
@Wes do you have the tools to edit animated gifs, and fancy doing me a favour? If so, could you edit imgur.com/gallery/X3XNW to be s/this week/this summer/ and s/it's tuesday/it's June/
 
Wes
eh, not really. i no longer have ae. was paying without using it
fucking adobe licensing
need to check other programs
 
If you can wait a second I'll do it.
 
Wes
ae?
 
@Danack yeh that always struck as a cruel irony of putting a rehab clinic in Bristol, a lot of v. good local beers round there
 
6:20 PM
No rush......I don't think June or this hot weather is going to end soon.
 
@Wes eh, CS2
 
Wes
i used to have that but was licensed to my old employer
wonder if i can still buy it today
 
yeh but...
 
Wes
i hate adobe
 
> Adobe has disabled the activation server for CS2 products, including Acrobat 7, because of a technical issue.
they are essentially legit freeware now
more like abandonware I suppose
 
Wes
6:24 PM
lol i doubt that
 
but still, they do everything I ever need
 
@Danack It's already been up to 91 degrees here / 33 Celsius.
 
@Wes how are you not aware of this helpx.adobe.com/uk/creative-suite/kb/…
 
evenin
 
I have CS6 Master Collection. Bought it since it was going to be the last version they released before going cloud based.
Bye @mega6382
 
6:25 PM
@StatikStasis where u goin'?
 
Sorry- thought you were saying evenin because you were leaving. Must have missed something.
 
No, I say evenin when I get home from work. :P
 
Welcome home!
 
I'm aware of that term- but glad you sent me the link. I was trying to remember where it was the other day.
 
Wes
6:28 PM
@DaveRandom back in the day we had visits of commerce police or whatever you call it and they wanted all the licenses. they were very pedantic
perhaps they won't do that for a one man company
but i'm not comfortable with doing that. i am a software developer, i should not pirate software :B
 
I have yet to learn After Effects.
@Wes This guy made me want After Effects. youtube.com/watch?v=6nQzs48Tt9U?x
Those wooden steps and pallet would have done nothing for cover though... he would be dead.
I loved their Jedi videos: youtube.com/watch?v=k2H-SOqbQoA?x
 
@Wes I don't regard this as software piracy, in the same way as I don't regard using a dodgy WinXP license as software piracy. If you were to use it for business purposes then yes 100% you should pay for it, but for this specific case, where you are doing a freebie for a randomer on the internet, that would be ridiculous.
 
Thank-you.
 
and with WinXP, I only use that for experimental, non-business purposes, and it's dead software, so no I don't feel bad about not paying for it
 
6:37 PM
I usually read books on the Internet first. After the first two chapters I know whether I want to buy it or not and either do or don't read it anymore.
 
Use that one. I fixed the thing where It's June was not there for the first frame.
 
...and ftr if I sold any licensed software product, I would automatically make the previous major version "unsupported freeware" with the release of the next major. Not doing so sort of suggests that you haven't made the next major enough of an improvement to expect people to pay for it.
@StatikStasis indeed, I used to do this with the first couple of tracks of an album, although that tends not to be necessary any more because of spotify etc
 
@DaveRandom I love this idea in theory. Unfortunately in a lot of businesses where shareholders are involved it's hard to get everyone on board with this mentality.
@DaveRandom And youTube. =)
 
hmmm ... this is what failure at virtue-signaling looks like: i.imgur.com/bVp0NKe.jpg :D
 
@StatikStasis oh I am quite sure it's not that simple :-P
@tereško lol brutal
 
6:42 PM
I suspect, the design team was competing at what they can get away with .... or someone in upper management had a "genius idea"
 
@DaveRandom I spoke with our CEO about providing a program I've built for us to use to our sister companies for free as a good gesture... I was told "That's idea... we'll have to discuss." We've not discussed.
 
Wes
@DaveRandom but if i have my computer checked and i don't have a license i am fucked :B does that happen there?
 
Have your computer checked?
 
@StatikStasis you need to sell it to the marketing dept, that will probably get you much further
@Wes in theory, although I've never personally seen it happen, I'm sure it does
It's probably more likely in certain business sectors e.g. finance, law etc
those with strict domain-specific regulatory bodies
One of the many jobs my dad did at Barclays over the years involved doing internal audits of that sort of shit actually, I don't know if they had to report to a 3rd party or not
 
@Wes Section under Organizations: "Vendors subscribe to organizations such as the Federation Against Software Theft (FAST) and the Business Software Alliance (BSA) as a means of providing an industry approach to control piracy, counterfeiting, and illegal use of software. They publicize campaigns against illegal use of software and reward any employees who notify them of any breaches which result in successful prosecution and/or recovery of license fees."
I wonder how often a disgruntled employee makes a report.
 
Wes
6:52 PM
they used to check only windows, office, vs studio, adobe products. no other programs. i suppose because they weren't trained for that
 
LOL! "Bust Your Boss Campaign" by The Software Alliance: Among the more provocative approaches BSA has taken is the Bust Your Boss! campaign that has appeared on billboards, printed publications and on the Internet with the following suggestion: "Is your current or former employer using pirated software in their office? Hit 'em where it really hurts - report their illegal software use today."
 
You could do what the rest of us peasants do and just use GIMP @Wes.
 
Wes
laptops were checked loosely, like just the presence of the sticker
 
@StatikStasis Watch for ads for this.
Me and others always post links to TPB when we see them.
 
Wes
gimp?
doubt there is a free alternative for after effects :P
 
6:54 PM
Yeah. If you don't have a license for PS, just use GIMP. :p
Oh. You want it for video.
 
@Allenph Hated when those guys got busted. I used to want to have their logo printed on a hat. Never did do it.
 
@tereško lol
 

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