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12:01 AM
Also... what about that Fiber proposal is really different from Generators?
> As opposed to Generator (a stackless light weight concurrency implementation), each fiber comes with a stack. This enables the fiber to be paused from deeply nested function calls within the fiber block.
Basically it can "yield" from a function call that is called from the "generator" instead of all yield calls happening directly in the generator. That's it, really. Right?
 
 
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3:38 AM
@Wes Here's a thing you might like, or might not, doesn't matter: github.com/morrisonlevi/ardent/tree/gcl
 
Crashing. Night all.
 
 
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4:57 AM
mornin
 
5:46 AM
Morning
 
o/
Can someone please tell me the different of "regular vServers" and "cloud vServers" in one sentence?
 
6:44 AM
@LeviMorrison yes
 
6:55 AM
Hi :D
 
@Tiffany Very good guess. Good morning.
 
7:45 AM
 1. I don't like `Fiber::` referring to the fiber running. I would
prefer it being passed as a parameter.
Hah @LeviMorrison
That's quite half the whole point of that RFC at all
Also: there ever will be only one fiber running at a specific moment in time, in a thread, ever. Why not make it a (thread) global?
Also: we have an actual projects working with it (an extension of the patch which also supports C stack) - it actually works.
 
nevermind, it's not the question that is shit, it's the first answer
 
scrutator a person who investigates.
 
8:05 AM
Also in Italian: Scrutatore... :D
 
Morngins
@ErgotCoslin You mean you are not waving your hands around? :P
 
(^_^')
nope...
 
:D
 
mornin
 
Morngins
 
8:19 AM
If you were a girl I wouldn't be surprised with this question. . .
Otherwise I take it with irony :D
 
:P
 
Morniings
 
I would make a really ugly girl
 
Are 'u?
 
Morning 11
 
8:20 AM
You can't turn an ugly man into an non ugly girl
 
Hope y'all had a good weekend!
 
Hey @Sean o/
 
@PeeHaa ahahah... ok
 
The only pretty princess we'd have in here is Dave
 
@Sean This weekend I realized I am going to have to return a project and not deliver because it was actually fubar for the first time ever
Been close before, but nothing this bad
 
8:23 AM
I'm doing an internship in a company, but those bastards do not even give me a hand! :!
 
morns
 
How long is the internship in totaland for how long you have been there?
@mega6382 o/
 
\o
 
@PeeHaa Jeez, how was it so bad? D:
 
@PeeHaa (>_>) 3 weeks more!
 
8:25 AM
@Sean It's a special combination of: laravel, react, inexperienced developers and cowboy developers
 
cowboy developers? ...I like it...
 
can't read stream from multipart requests – #76444
 
@PeeHaa whats cowboy developers?
 
@mega6382 The treat the codebase like it's a wildwest
 
Cowboy coding is software development where programmers have autonomy over the development process. This includes control of the project's schedule, languages, algorithms, tools, frameworks and coding style. A cowboy coder can be a lone developer or part of a group of developers working with minimal process or discipline. Usually it occurs when there is little participation by business users, or fanned by management that controls only non-development aspects of the project, such as the broad targets, timelines, scope, and visuals (the "what", but not the "how"). "Cowboy coding" commonly sees usage...
 
8:28 AM
I thought he was joking ... uau
 
That ^^ in combination with the rest turns any codebase into a pile of diarrhea
 
the more negative connotation are in the c2 wiki: wiki.c2.com/?CowboyCoding and wiki.c2.com/?CowboyCoder
 
@PeeHaa so you are an cowboy-coder
 
Wes
!!urban peehaa
 
[ PeeHaa ] A cowboy shouting peeee haaa! while peeing and swinging a lasso.
 
8:32 AM
@mega6382 sounds like something from nishitalab.org/user/paulo/files/resign-patterns.txt //cc @Gordon
 
Nope. I am the janitor or maybe even better Mr. Wolf
 
Wes
morns :B
 
o/
 
hey wesley o/
 
@Jeeves lool :D
 
8:33 AM
\o
 
Mornin'!
 
I wanted to be a cowboy without being a programmer... :/ life is strange
 
@ErgotCoslin I am assuming we allwent through that phase at some point in our lifes:P
 
@tereško amusing
 
yeah ... "amusing" and not "funny", because most of it has been experienced IRL
 
8:35 AM
@PeeHaa in Vicenza there are not so many chances to become a cowboy
 
Neither in the Netherlands :D
 
ahah ok
 
Wes
@LeviMorrison i like it, but i don't understand why we are all doing the same thing rather than collaborate
 
@Gordon That doesn't sound so bad
 
Wes
@PeeHaa so your name is a lie
 
8:36 AM
@mega6382 still amusing
 
Nope.I still laugh at pee jokes
 
ahah
@PeeHaa so, are you suggesting me to face reality and become a pizza-man?
 
Either pizza man or jump man :)
 
let's hope this thing turns out well:
 
Pretty hyped over tales of vesperia remaster \o/
 
8:40 AM
But wait a second ... this is my work break ... but are you working too?
 
I just woke up
 
Well "just" 2 hours ago
And it's hoooot here
 
I think I will move to netherlands
 
And cloudy :(
@ErgotCoslin I am not in NL right now though
 
8:42 AM
here there are 32 degrees and a sun ...
@PeeHaa really?
 
Girlfriend from abroad. Long story
 
@ErgotCoslin Its 40 degrees here.
 
ahhh
 
@tereško if that's the in-game gfx I might be able to play it in 10 years
 
@mega6382 Damn. I thought 35 was hot
How do you not melt
 
8:44 AM
ACs everywhere.
 
Even on the streets? Nice!
:)
 
lol
 
@mega6382 where are you from? congo?
 
@Gordon naah, that seemed more like a cinematic
 
@PeeHaa No, but in the cars and buses etc
@ErgotCoslin NO, I am from PK
@PeeHaa And by everywhere I mean most of the places.
 
8:46 AM
I went to the beach yesterday for just a couple of hours. Came back soooooo red
 
also I
 
And that is even after being here for 2 weeks in the sun
 
@tereško but what's the gameplay going to be like?
 
If I were to go to a small village, I might not even find an electric fan.
 
that probably will be released in ~ 2 months
 
8:47 AM
@mega6382 You are probably rich for your standards. Can't you just hire somebody to wave palmleafs over you? :P
 
:P
 
ahah
@PeeHaa he said pakistan right? not azerbaijan
:D joke
 
For me it's the same thing :D
@mega6382<3
 
@PeeHaa <3
 
@PeeHaa right.. the mentality of the Nordics ... and to think that since I am from Veneto I refer to myself as a person from the north ...
ahah
 
8:51 AM
@ErgotCoslin fwiw I see you as part of africa cc @Wes
:D
Do I sound like a proper right wing nut yet?
 
@PeeHaa lol but not all Italy...only from the middle down
 
@PeeHaa You are almost there. Keep going... :P
 
:D
 
@PeeHaa do you talk about the political party by chance? :)
 
Just the spectrum in general :)
 
8:54 AM
ook Do you know who's Salvini :D
?
 
Yeah somewhat
 
I can not speak of the Italian political party because the government still does not have it
 
lol
 
ahhaha what a sh**** state
damn
how are things in netherland?
 
no worries. politicians are lying sacks of shit here too
Just a bit less corrupt as over there
 
8:58 AM
really?!
:O
@PeeHaa aha yeah
 
@PeeHaa I believe that's the literal definition of the word "politician" everywhere. :P
 
Yeah, but I am going to guess it's the same basically every where
@mega6382 Indeed
 
:42879564in fact you should add the definition to the dictionary ... I will write to the Crusca
do you know that the Crusca Academy added stupid words to the Italian dictionary?
for example Petaloso ... a useless and stupid word taken from a child who wrote a theme in elementary school, and not knowing how to write fabulous and wrote is shit!
have you lost to look at the webpage of the Crusca or am I that are boring?
 
@tereško Such an amazing list, a lot of these are often found in many PHP codebases. Some of these are even part of some frameworks..
 
9:13 AM
Doing run of client calls :)
 
customers first of all.. or not?
 
Monies first
 
pink floyd teach
 
Wes
Apr 7 '16 at 15:04, by Wes
Mar 11 at 10:02, by Wes
when an italian enters the room i'm always afraid is going to end up bad (note: i'm italian myself, don't flag me tnx)
 
so are you italian @wes
@Wes
 
Wes
9:26 AM
@Wes
 
@Wes
 
@Ocramius can SecurityAdvisories be used against stuff like this (if it's actually legit and not a problemsomewhere else somehow)?
@Wes
 
@Wes
@Wes
 
what?!
 
Wes
9:27 AM
thanks guys
 
@Wes
 
yw @Wes
 
yw @Wes
 
yw @Wes
 
moin all! and @Wes :)
 
9:27 AM
yw @Wes
 
Wes
you guys are a bunch of scrotators
 
#ChatLyfe @Wes
 
ok I learned @Wes
 
#ChatLyfe @Wes
 
really? you guys failed to create a full page La Ola for 5 years but when it comes to pinging @Wes you manage all of a sudden?
4
 
Wes
9:30 AM
:(
 
LOL (._.)
 
I am sure we can do it by pinging you as well.
@Gordon
 
Wes
@Gordon
 
@Gordon
 
@Gordon
 
9:33 AM
a bit slow, however, went..
 
Wes
so basically i broke a molar. i have a crack that goes basically all the length of the tooth. i'm not even sure when that happen. i think i tried to bite a spoon once
 
uau...
 
Wes
i will probably need an implant :(
 
i think that you'd better go to croatia and get your tooth fixed ... it's cheaper and they're really good!
 
Wes
it's hard to tell where the crack ends. if it's too deep will need to get the tooth removed and an implant. which means that i will spend the summer at the dentist
 
9:39 AM
I hate dentists ...
 
@PeeHaa yes
 
9:56 AM
Conditional jump or move depends on uninitialised value – #76445
 
!!lxr zend_string_equal_val
 
[ /Zend/zend_string.c#330 ] ZEND_API zend_bool ZEND_FASTCALL zend_string_equal_val(zend_string *s1, zend_string *s2)
 
10:08 AM
I did not understand anything about what I read... :\
ahahhah damn
 
Do any dev teams here work with a DevOps mindset, or has moved to one? I'm trying to understand / figure out how to turn from a Developer | Operations mindset to one where they work together, preferably instead of having two separate teams, having a dedicated operations person for my team specifically is a thought I have at the moment, that works with us day-to-day, not just when we want something
My goal, go from blocking to concurrent, effectively, by working closer together
 
what do you have in mind? are the developers working on ops stuff? and the ops on dev stuff?
usually, how I see it working is not that you merge teams, but somehow that at least some people end up working on a bit of both
 
Well, we're coming up with everything and then when we finally say "oh btw we want an elastic search cluster" for example when it gets closer to release, then Ops could say "hey why? You haven't thought about this", and then it's back to the drawing board and the process starts again. Where as having someone in Ops basically with us, working together and sharing knowledge, seems like a good goal to me
Day-to-day, we can have a more personalised infrastructure solution
 
(and it goes both ways, i.e. ops doing dev and dev doing ops)
 
Ah, I only saw Dev -> Ops as that's my perspective
 
10:20 AM
@Jeeves well I tried, but I don't think I'm capable of the abstract reasoning required to think about templated asm
 
Currently there's a bit of an 'over the wall' mentality between Dev and Ops that I'd like to get better at
preferably remove that wall
 
@Jimbo one thing you can do is offer ops to make some PRs for small stuff to begin with, then ops can ask you to do some random daily op, or w/e
like they got an alert about a full disk storage, you go and look what's up etc
if they find a bug in production (like a random exception in logs), they can make a small PR to fix it, etc
you really want to change the mindset to "we're both working on the same product, just different parts of it, but we can all work on all the parts"
you won't get rid of the wall, but at least you can have a big open door in the middle of it
it'll make the dev team much better because they'll understand issues that ops are having daily, and ops team will get better at diagnosing issues with your app
 
good lunch to all... although I will eat at 13!
 
@FlorianMargaine Thanks for your thoughts dude, I'm having a meeting with operations tomorrow so this will help :)
 
zend_variables.c:73: zend_string_destroy: Assertion `!(zval_gc_flags((str)->gc. – #76446
 
10:32 AM
@Jimbo that's speaking as a dev who regularly does ops stuff...
 
10:48 AM
mmh is this a compliment?
@FlorianMargaine -> @Jimbo
 
@Wes at least to some extent, that is a case of "guy has new stuff to sell, so bad-mouths old stuff".
 
@Jimbo Having a member or two of ops as part of your dev team is a huge boon
 
guys
who's pumped for e3?
 
11:43 AM
you?
 
I'm asking you guys
 
!!rfcs
 
huh, fiber is in voting already
 
nevermind
wait
 
11:54 AM
bored of waiting, it's my turn to speak now
 
For example, to count the number of results, like Google, you have to do a COUNT statement, right?
 
@Ekin Everyone's voting "no" :(
 
as it stands, "no" is the correct answer
 
It'd be nice if instead of people saying "no", they say, "hey that's a cool idea, let's work on it together!"
 
11:57 AM
like 100 results found
 
it's proposing to add one of several components that should be added at the same time, and the proposal itself is incomplete
@Jimbo look at internals
there has been plenty of general support for the idea
the "no" votes are there because it's not appropriate to vote on it atm
and the author should close the vote
 
what do I put inside count()?
 
in ruby each fiber has a machine(C) stack. probably there are needs for some benchmarks
 
Should I use GRPC to communicate with microservices? I tried kafka but its a bit to much for me so I taught to start with something simpler, and for some reason, grpc seemed simpler to me than kafka.
 
@Jimbo this is one of the most likely places on the internet to find people who are not only keen to have async primitives in core, but also have already put a lot of work in to this general area (and will be quite happy to put in a lot more). I would say it's a reasonable assumption that if people here are against it, it's probably not right :-P
 
12:03 PM
Morning!
 
your cheeriness offends me
 
@DaveRandom why?
 
grumble half-heartedly about mondays, like a normal person.
 
Don't ask to ask, just ask
 
It's MONDAY!
YAY!
 
12:05 PM
I'm just asking
 
@StatikStasis stahp
 
@DaveRandom HAMMERTIME!
 
oh f u @Jeeves
 
0
Q: Insert into temporary table mysql

Ram Singhselect t.* into #temp from ( select 'a' as a union all select 'b' as a ) as t select * from #temp drop table #temp i usually do this on SQL server wherein i create a temporary table. the syntax "into #temp" creates a non-physical table on the DB, while "into temp" will create a phy...

 
12:07 PM
@GuilhermeR yes but you aren't being specific enough about what you are asking about, are you talking about SQL or what?
Google doesn't use SQL anywhere near result generation, btw (or at least I highly doubt it)
 
@DaveRandom yes, COUNT SQL function
 
i know this group is for PHP genius, posting the question here because, MYSQL is the most used with PHP. I hope anyone of you, has answer of my question
 
what you would do in SQL depends highly on what sort of results you are trying to provide and the nature of the data
chances are Count() by itself isn't a great approach if you have a moderately sized data set
MySQL in particular is very not-good at this without nuking query performance
pgsql has some window-based stuff which is better
so does SQL server
 
!!friday
 
@IROEGBU Only 3 days, 11 hours and 50 minutes left until Rebeccaday, OMG!
 
12:10 PM
yeah!
 
@Jeeves @PeeHaa fixit, this better ping the person who should be stahp'd, no?
 
Hello :D Any help with my question?
Should I use GRPC to communicate with microservices? I tried kafka but its a bit to much for me so I taught to start with something simpler, and for some reason, grpc seemed simpler to me than kafka.
 
It’s Monday,Monday
Gotta get down on Monday...
 
I'm assuming MySQL because apparently the majority of PHP developers are that masochistic even now
 
@Ekin I like what Jeeves did better... it just made @DaveRandom more mad. =D
 
12:13 PM
I don't talk to happy people on mondays :P
it also made me more mad
 
madman is talking
 
This Monday is turning out to be the BEST EVER!
 
@RamSingh you'd be better off just googling for that.
 
@StatikStasis happy for 'u (^_^)
 
Alright... have to prepare for meeting. See you guys in a bit.
 
12:15 PM
bye
 
In package.json what does this two stars mean: \"src/scss/**/*\"?
 
lol
 
@DaveRandom Listen to this and you'll feel just like me: youtube.com/watch?v=Yu6--WBPBHo&t=0m56s
 
12:24 PM
 
:D @DaveRandom sorry youtube.com/watch?v=l_EIE5f2t6M . not
 
@Tpojka sub-directory wild card search probably.
 
@Tpojka globstar AFAIK
 
Thanks to both. Just found this: stackoverflow.com/questions/28176590/…
 
@Ekin I'll allow it, although I'm trying to be more chill today
 
12:28 PM
: ) really chill...
 
@DaveRandom Listen to this and you'll feel just like me: youtube.com/watch?v=ZY7ELJ0oeaA
Listen to the whole album and you'll feel like jelly
 
I changed the name of the profile ...F*** I did not want to have the name of an illness deriving from corn ...
 
heh, I always knew you can get sick from too much KOЯN
 
gosh! (._.)
ahaha
good music seriously!
 
@Gordon :-P
 
12:34 PM
@Allenph thanks the same for having let me find out the Ergot mean
 
Do you know what's the different of these?
// similar behavior as an HTTP redirect
// similar behavior as clicking on a link
 
there are many
 
@Shafizadeh 17
 
slow clap
 
@Gordon :-))))
@FlorianMargaine what's the main one?
when you click on a link, isn't the same as a http request?
 
12:46 PM
one is user-initiated while the other is browser-initiated
 
@Gordon, push for that RFC: string - string = levenshtein :P
 
@FlorianMargaine fair enough, thx
 
@Gordon aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
 
@pmmaga I like the idea
@mega6382 are you singing along? because that's how the song starts.
 
^ @PeeHaa eating pancakes
 
12:49 PM
wow
 
that's a fluckton of brown sugar
 
@Ekin uh, @PeeHaa can cook something?
 
@pmmaga Sounds cool.
 
@Ekin I love pancakes
 
he cooks sooo well, but eats weird stuff :P
 
12:50 PM
:-)
Everybody does sugar on top of pancakes right??
Rite?
 
TIL: @PeeHaa is not only good at not being good at anything
@PeeHaa nope. maple syrup or powdered sugar. or cream cheese
 
^ that
 
^2 that, yes, not crystal sugar
 
Hmmmm
Everybody else is weird
 
@Ekin he's from the netherlands. that explains weird.
 
12:52 PM
@PeeHaa Sorry I don't know... In Italy the croissants are fashionable not the pancakes...
 
I guess so
 
@PeeHaa maple syrup or nutella
 
yummmm nutella
 
I hate nutella
 
Anyway, I think honey goes on top of pancakes ... like Canadians
 
12:54 PM
Yeah could have done nutella, but would have meant I needed to get some
 
@AtanvarCoslin it's maple syrup, not honey
 
@AtanvarCoslin A Canadian honey. So famous. They even have a bee on their national flag… oh wait :D
 
lol
 
Ah :\
 
@PeeHaa if you are asking whether I sprinkle pure uncut colombian flake in my oversized joints, then yes
otherwise no
 
12:56 PM
Lol
 
@DaveRandom who doesn't
 
losers, that's who
 
@Gordon :( but why? Its so delicious?
 
(^U^)
 
@PeeHaa @PeeHaa if you already put brown sugar on it, try caramelizing it
@mega6382 it's not.
 
12:57 PM
Tnx @Gordon now @Ekin expects caramelized sugar in her pancakes from now on
 
Honey works too
 
:P
 
@IROEGBU LOL....
 
Anyway, I like waffles more than pancakes. So, whatever.
 
@PeeHaa you also should massage her while she's eating the pancake
 
12:58 PM
Ssshhhhhh
 
He's doing...
Is there anyone among you that you know in person?
 
github.com/DaveRandom/ExceptionalJSON/commits/master can anyone see anything that they would consider a BC break in the commits from today, or anything that seems generally wrong?
nb I will actually be writing some tests today
 
I can confirm these are real people and not robots
but can you confirm that I am?
 

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