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12:00 PM
it's really complicated - which is why yaml parsers are really complicated.
 
@tereško An array is much more compact as yaml
With the added bonus of no werid whitespace rules
And stuff like ::class resolving where wanted
 
Anonymous
I'm yet to find an issue with it, but my configs have never been too complex so
 
tbh, I really can't give a flying fuck, as along as we agree on "not xml" rule
 
No argument there :D
 
well...
 
12:01 PM
Shut up
 
burn the witch
 
sgml it is then
 
Anonymous
:D
 
:-D
ftr I don't use XML for config files, that would be silly
 
@JayIsTooCommon how do you load it without having a file system hit? Use a compiled + cached version?
 
12:02 PM
Sure
We believe you @DaveRandom
 
@DaveRandom do you use SOAP?
 
Can we please just all agree on a simple binary configuration which will be unpack()'ed by your code?
 
+1
 
Fuck you bob
:P
Just felt like shouting at you
 
I'm going to get my config over the wire in protobuf format
 
12:03 PM
Where are you lately @bwoebi?
 
Anonymous
@Danack nope, file_get_contents
 
^ over ftp
 
Anonymous
@PeeHaa he said he's found a new hobby or something
 
wouldn't gopher be better?
 
ooooh
 
12:04 PM
2 days ago, by bwoebi
@NikiC Well, I found some additional ways to invest my time not related to programming ... I'm still always available and looking here, but yeah, not so much time for random chatting left :-D
 
Anonymous
oh he's here :)
 
Anonymous
Share @bwoebi
 
WHat's her/his name?
 
Oh you know what, we could just store the config as TXT records
 
Anonymous
Good idea
 
12:05 PM
@Leigh Dude. Don't say stuff like that when @DaveRandom is in the room. He will see it and run with it
 
@PeeHaa Anyway I'm still writing here nearly every day at least once
 
dns txt records ... sounds like the optimal could solution
 
just not that much random chatting
 
k
All ok?
 
Anonymous
@bwoebi Cassandra?
 
12:06 PM
@tereško that's what he meant
 
@PeeHaa way too late bruv, that's basically what spf is
 
Anonymous
@bwoebi Robert?
 
True :P
 
a proper web-scale approach
 
Indeed. There's an abundance of anycast resolvers out there. you'll be able to host anywhere
 
12:07 PM
@JayIsTooCommon If I intended to share, I'd already have
 
Anonymous
We'll call him/her Ashley, that's gender neutral
 
Well... Nikita could be gender neutral too ;)
 
Anonymous
the plot thickens
 
presumably that's why Elton John chose it
 
Anonymous
@bwoebi After all of this suspense.. it better not be something lame like train spotting
 
12:10 PM
I hope it's archery
 
Shall we do a sweepstake? I'll take cooking meth
 
Anonymous
I'll take LARPing
 
I'll take doing meth
 
ok, but what do you want in the sweepstake?
 
A muffin?
 
Anonymous
weirdly after watching that testimony, I watched the full 11 hour Benghazi testimony. Interesting stuff
 
Sigh
 
lol
 
This is a company that wont allow special characters in passwords
 
Something for you @JayIsTooCommon ^^^ ?
 
Anonymous
12:18 PM
huh?
 
I will let that pun sink in for a while
s/pun/awesome joke because I made it/
 
Anonymous
First thought was special characters and me. But the three arrows say different
 
Anonymous
oh
 
Anonymous
virgin.
 
Anonymous
shut up.
 
12:19 PM
<3 :P
 
Why else am I signed up to Jay's Media Community
For the media!
 
Anonymous
mueh meh for the media mueh meh
 
Anonymous
i don't know the correct way to type mocking, but there you are.
 
I'll watch your vlog on it later
wear the red dress please :)
 
xD
 
12:23 PM
@JayIsTooCommon you're one of the youngest here, you're supposed to be hip
 
You know it's going to be a fun upgrade when you are greeted by
> Fatal error: Cannot use 'Object' as class name as it is reserved
 
wat
 
Probably needs a DIC upgrade
 
Anonymous
I was having a great convo the other day, where this person had their head firmly up my arse. Going on about how clever I was and how the software was great etc.... I was buzzing.
 
Anonymous
they ended the conversation with "You're a child genius"
 
Anonymous
12:25 PM
-.-
 
@Tiffany I am younger than him :|
 
:D
 
@mega6382 he's like 18 or 19
 
Anonymous
21
 
He is 21
 
12:25 PM
whaaat
 
And I am 20
 
...that's how long I've been in this chatroom then o_o
 
Anonymous
Started 2015-05-26 :)
 
I started visiting the chat like around August of 2016
 
Anonymous
Yeah I remember, with your mate RabbitGuy :D
 
12:26 PM
I remember it not-so-fondly because I was trying to build a form that was absolute shit
he didn't quite understand how to tone it down...
 
Anonymous
he was a gem
 
Wes
@tereško seems?
 
Sigh... 36 here.
 
I turn 31 in ...
12 days? yup, 12 days.
 
Anonymous
wow @PeeHaa you're older than all of them
 
12:28 PM
God you are an old crazy cat grandma
 
@Danack is one of the oldest
 
@JayIsTooCommon Shut up
 
Congrats! About to complete 31 trips around the Sun while riding the Earth @Tiffany
 
Everybody look at danielsan he is like really old
 
lol
 
12:30 PM
can't remember how old @Leigh is, but that's probably intentional
 
My son thinks I am ancient when I talk about being in 7th grade and my teacher telling us about the "information super highway" that was coming.
 
@Tiffany older than you
 
rofl
@Leigh but older than Danack?
 
He's grayer than me... maybe
 
information super highway... if only my teacher knew what it was going to be... memes... memes everywhere.
 
12:31 PM
I'm closer to 30 than 40
 
Anonymous
Don't see Anthony or Daniel around here much anymore
 
I'm not. =(
 
I'm older than Joe :|
 
Wow @JayIsTooCommon how old are they... is it... their time?
 
Anonymous
lol nah, I don't know where they are
 
12:32 PM
when I was 29, I dreaded turning 30... I'm still not fond of being over 30, but I feel more motivation to do stuff in my life, accomplish stuff than when I was in my 20s
 
Meh, arbitrary numbers. Somewhere else you'd be a different age
 
Just have to keep moving @Tiffany. I go to the gym for lunch everyday. I want to live as long as I can in as best of health as I can.
 
I feel like I can actually succeed at life, rather than having to constantly struggle
 
Well, you'd be the same age... but you know what I mean
 
Anonymous
@BruceBanEm geez, we are so opposite
 
12:33 PM
lol
 
Anonymous
if I get passed 25 I'm exceeding
 
@BruceBanEm I started doing that in December, was about time I did (except I go before work)
 
Anonymous
and now you're a fitty
 
I don't look it, but I got some stamina at least
 
@BruceBanEm yeah, I spent like six months pretty much sedentary, it had a pretty negative affect on my body, I've been trying to build up strength again
 
12:34 PM
@Leigh I used to do before work. Hard to get up with my late night habit of staying up. Going during lunch causes me to miss a meal; I just drink a protein shake.
 
Anonymous
missing a meal is a suckish way to go about it though
 
I don't like going to a gym because they cost money...and I have to travel to it... >.> I have free weights at home though
 
@JayIsTooCommon Why is that?
 
most of the time I'm eating only one meal a day, but I've lived like that for most of my adult life
 
@Tiffany My membership is subsidised by work, and it's on the way to work. I guess I got it easy
 
12:36 PM
@Tiffany I tried the at home thing. Did not work for me. I just end up staring at the TV or reading a book while laying on the bench. I have a gym right near my work.
 
Anonymous
@Tiffany that could be a direct cause for some of the issues you discuss on here
 
Btw being 20 sucks(at least for me). tried to apply for a loan in bank got rejected because minimum age requirement is 21
 
Anonymous
@mega6382 which country?
 
Pakistan
 
we have a fitness room for student athletes, but college employees are allowed to use it as well... but I still struggle in forcing myself to go to it, I'd rather do it at home shrug
 
12:37 PM
@mega6382 Don't worry. It won't be long before they'll give you more than you can afford to make payments on. I finally got rid of our credit card 2 years ago and will be debt free including the house in 6 years. Cannot wait!
 
Anonymous
@Tiffany eating more can help with that :)
 
well... I'm not hungry enough...
 
@Tiffany @JayIsTooCommon I've heard the same advice from a few people over 100 years old: don't stress, eat two meals a day, ...and there was something else.
Probably something I did not want to do so I forgot it.
 
Anonymous
two meals a day sounds crazy
 
I usually have 2 meals a day, except on the weekends.
 
12:39 PM
@JayIsTooCommon lol- just do what I do. 2 very big meals. Last meal of day is in recliner and last a few hours and several trips to fridge. lol
 
Anonymous
I'm on probably 6 meals a day with 2 x coffee
 
my mom would always say I'd eat like a bird
 
I'm pretty happy where I am right now. Since being in the gym I've been trying to gain weight. I'm up to 215 now (goal of 225) and benching 315 max. Happy at 36 to get there.
 
@BruceBanEm is that pounds?
 
Yes- sorry. Pounds.
 
Anonymous
12:41 PM
@BruceBanEm Upping your food intake would surely help with gains though?
 
142.882 kilograms
 
more protein
 
I eat a lot at night.
 
@BruceBanEm That is too much.
 
Small breakfast. Double size protein shake. A lot at night.
 
12:42 PM
I am fat and I only weigh like 105KG
2
 
I'm benching 142.882 kilograms. Not my weight.
 
Anonymous
@mega6382 Without measuring body fat percentage, you can't judge someone's weight
 
I weigh 97 kilograms.
 
@BruceBanEm hahaha, makes more sense.
 
BMI doesn't work for people trying to build muscle.
 
Anonymous
12:43 PM
^
 
@JayIsTooCommon Sure but still at 142KG, you probably can.
 
I weigh around... 63.5 kgs?
 
lol... I love the metric system. But when it comes to talking about what I can benchpress I hate it. 142kg or 315 pounds. Yeah... 315 pounds.
 
I like celsius
 
@BruceBanEm OK but pounds are crazy people's units. Use metric system become sane :)
 
12:44 PM
@Tiffany I'm surprised you don't blow away.
@mega6382 I love metric.
 
Anonymous
@mega6382 meh, some body builders will hit that. But I know what you mean
 
the problem with using metric in the US is that the vast majority of businesses and people use imperial, so it's incredibly hard to go against the grain
 
@mega6382 Especially with tools. 5/16, 7/8... I much rather use 15mm, 16mm, 18mm
 
I tell someone it's 15 degrees outside, and they look at me like I'm insane. When I actually mean 15C, not F.
 
@Tiffany You in the US?
 
12:46 PM
yarp
 
@Tiffany I use Celsius on my alarm clock beside bed. If I tell my wife it is 20 degrees, she'll say- no wonder it is so cold!
 
lol
I use Celsius wherever I'm able to, my phone, checking weather in web browser, thermostat in my office
but when people are talking about the weather and they say it's like 70 degrees, and my initial reaction is "WTF THAT'S HOT!" then I remember they're not using celsius
 
I'm still used to mph vs kmh though. When I travel to Dominican Republic I have to adjust.
 
Ultimately, I would like to be able to switch to the metric system entirely, but in order for it to feel natural, I'll have to follow xkcd's example
 
lol- I've never seen this one before.
@Tiffany There is one in the length category I'm going to now use because the number is larger than with imperial.
 
12:55 PM
imagejpeg does not always return false on error – #76235
 
@BruceBanEm lol
 
That's pretty good. Definitely good idea to learn by reference than by comparison.
 
R.P
30C - Beach weather
wth
 
it is beach weather
 
R.P
thats like, really hot
 
12:57 PM
Granted, I could settle for ~28C
 
R.P
beach weather here is 18C
 
are you going in the water?
 
R.P
nope, but You can be at beach :)
 
are you leaving the water for a substantial time?
 
Our summers here it's between 35 and 42 degrees. 42 being the hottest it will usually get.
 
12:58 PM
@R.P 30C is beach weather if you're going in the water. Otherwise the water's too fucking cold to have fun.
I like body surfing
 
@tereško what you mean by "leaving"? (leaving faucet open?)
 
R.P
true, but we get 18C water without having even 25C temperature
 
@Shafizadeh the ocean water at the beach
 
> security.limit_extensions = .php .php3 .php4 .php5 .php7
who does that?
 
1:03 PM
@Danack where's that from? o_O
 
that's almost impressive
 
@Tiffany I think the debian default php-fpm config file.
 
re
 
1:20 PM
re
 
Anonymous
cc
 
looks like gog.com is having a sale
 
1:36 PM
What is this Steam themed site?
 
were you trying to be funny?
 
bcc
 
It was an attempt. @tereško
I've really never heard of it... but seems they have been around for awhile. Poland.
 
qw
@Shafizadeh you should watch it, and you'll know why :P
 
Anonymous
@Danack catch up
 
1:40 PM
@tereško They came out after Valve. The layout looks like they tried to make it just like Steam.
@tereško ah yes "As Steam has grown in popularity, many other competing services have been surfacing trying to emulate their success. The most notable major competitors are Electronic Arts' (EA) Origin service, Ubisoft's Uplay, Blizzard Entertainment's Battle.net, and CD Projekt's GOG.com." Wikipedia.
gog seems to have emulated their design.
 
... and you are in the ignore list
 
lol
Sorry... you must really like them.
I mean... Steam who? gog.com is where it is at!
 
It's a lovely morning in the village and you are a horrible goose. A new game by us, coming 2018. Full video at http://househou.se/goose https://t.co/GDmMVtdSiR
/o\ need
 
why would Rename be grayed out under Refactor in phpstorm?
 
Is there someone who can help me with an apache to nginx configuration ? :p
 
2:00 PM
So this might be a loaded question. Which is the best php IDE?
 
I think most people in here like phpstorm
 
I was telling someone yesterday I had a year free of that but it ran out. I need to check on the cost.
 
@Tiffany I'm on netbeans cuz.. company policy
 
=( I miss just buying and owning programs.
I actually used their product for PyCharm originally.
 
2:03 PM
@BruceBanEm I use Devsense PHP tools with Visual Studio Express
 
After 3rd year, $4 a month is pretty cheap.
 
@tereško hahaha, dd() everywhere :)
 
it is not funny
frameworks introducing magic functions is a cancer
 
@tereško OK, then lets put it in the core :P
 
please stop trying to be funny
they already tried that once, with PSR-0 autoloader
 
2:09 PM
but isn't that deprecated?
 
Wes
dump and die sounds like an awful way to die
 
it wasn't, when they tried that ... I think there was not even PSR-1 yet
 
@Wes it happens.
 
@tereško lol- you have 2 points on your comment of "NO" so far.
 
Make a composer package... call it something like "dd-anywhere"... get people to put it in their require-dev blocks...
Then lazy asshats can have what they want
 
Best dark phpStorm theme?
 
2:38 PM
I use darcula. never really looked for any else
 
Compiler bug within multi dimentional array – #76236
 
This one looks nice murze.be/a-beautiful-phpstorm-theme @FélixGagnon-Grenier
 
I don't wanna be ridiculed for this, but I have really been meaning to ask. What is people's obsession with the dark theme? It seems like such a noob thing to do.
 
since I use a dark theme, I guess I am a noob
 
/me facepalm
 
2:51 PM
@mega6382 Easier on the eyes got me
 
I don't like a lot of bright light on my screen.
 
@Leigh I guess its sort of a personal choice in that matter. Because I always get better readability with light themes.
 
I'm pretty sure there were actual studies on eye strain depending on light on dark vs dark on light
 
I mean sure I use dark theme in vscode, but anytime I am sitting in front of the IDE for longer than an hour, I prefer to use light theme.
 
like, there is a measurable effect, but I really can't remember from which
 
2:54 PM
147
Q: Dark or white color theme is better for the eyes?

Jack TwainThis is not a programming question, but it concerns the programmer itself. So I don't know if it really belongs on this site. But my question is: what is better for the eyes, a dark color theme or a white color theme?

 
Theme preferences: strawpoll.me/15528451
 
> People with astigmatism (approximately 50% of the population) find it harder to read white text on black than black text on white.
So... 50% would find dark themes easier on their eyes
 
I have astigmatism, and find this quote to be false
 
I find myself getting tired of reading more quickly with dark on light
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier You're just of the 50% that perfer light on dark background.
 
2:57 PM
yo @tereško, you mean you actually instantiate a full 20 elements collection, send that pre-filled collection to a mapper, then populate these elements?
7 hours ago, by tereško
@FélixGagnon-Grenier my main issue would be the new SomeEntity inside a mapper
 
no, I actually keep the initialization inside the collection
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier gist.github.com/teresko/…
 
Well I guess if you are working in a relatively dark room then the dark theme might be easier on the eyes.
 
@tereško Your dark theme; Darkula? Or something else?
 
2:59 PM
But I mostly work in a well-lit room so that has never bothered me.
 
why do you assume, that we work in dark ?!
 
@mega6382 Whatever makes your environment as productive as possible.
 
or is it that you can't accept, that (what you see as noobish) is actually the "default"
 
/me facepalm again
@tereško I am not assuming, but just thinking that it would make more sense
for a dark room
 
that's called "an assumption"
 
3:03 PM
Yes, but I mean that I am not assuming that you guys work in the dark, but just that it would make more sense for someone working in a dark room to be using a dark theme
Shit, I am getting a headache now
 
It's all of that bright light.
 
:P
 
Switch to a dark theme... you'll feel better soon.
 
@tereško OK, I get it, you like dark theme. But what do you think about light theme though?
 
@mega6382 it's annoying and it makes hard to notice things
 
3:11 PM
huh
 
phpStorm; Method fetchAll not found in... do I just have to suppress those?
 
is there a Dracula theme for google docs?
 
3:27 PM
I actually use this one: atom.io/themes/one-dark-ui
 
@BruceBanEm You are doing something wrong if you see that
 
looks like ass
 
@PeeHaa Says referenced method is not found in subject class.
 
@tereško No, it looks like matrix
 
3:30 PM
looks like ass
 
no, just ass
 
:D
 
tbh, I've dreamed of having green themed stuff. it's sooo geeky
then, I tried it once in a terminal, and never again
 
3:32 PM
@BruceBanEm What does your code look like?
 
evening room.
 
@PeeHaa since we on the ass theme, let me guess how it looks .. (;
 
function getData($db) {
$stmt = $db->query("SELECT users.username, users.costcenter, users.category
From users
WHERE users.category = 'Store'");
return $stmt->fetchAll(PDO::FETCH_ASSOC);
}
 
@BruceBanEm Declare the type on your db param?
Although I would expect it to tell you it doesn't understand what ->query() is because you can pass basically anything into $db
 
@BruceBanEm Try something like this function getData(PDO $db)
 
3:36 PM
@PeeHaa hmm- yeah it does.
@mega6382 That got rid of 2/3 warnings!
ty
@PeeHaa Thanks for the help. Trying to get used to phpStorm.
 
np
 
Missing Info – #76237
 
3:53 PM
@Jeeves lol. That title is correct
 
@Jeeves Should I make a patch for that @PeeHaa? Or should it be ignored?
 
Patch for what?
 
docs
to add the warning
 
Already closed as not a bug
 
oh, ok
 
4:00 PM
:)
 
:)
 
o/
 
4:29 PM
\o
 
4:47 PM
The best music I have ever heard: Psalm-46-Lord-of-Hosts
 
@Shafizadeh They're ok. I prefer Kari Jobe.
 
good morning
 
Morning!
 
5:08 PM
Anyone have a good example of search functionality of their mappers?
I can't seem to find a sane way to do that.
 
Warning when compiling with latest OpenSSL and XML libraries – #76238
 
evenin
 
o/
 
5:44 PM
Does isset(undefined varaible) works while php is run as cli
?
 
of course
then again, why would you need isset when we have ??
 
thanks .. I was in some doubt
 
@shadowhand That is awesome. Didn't know about that.
Also your site is down.
 
6:12 PM
my site?
 
@shadowhand Yeah. DNS didn't resolve for kohanaphp.com.
Or did you just work on that framework?
 
oh Kohana is retired, need to update my profile
 
6:31 PM
	function->jit.function =
		jit_function_create(
			function->jit.context, function->jit.signature);
this may never end ...
 
@JoeWatkins oooo :)
 
6:56 PM
ha, it's not php ...
it's for php, but not php functions ... CQL functions ...
 
Wes
this went way too far
:B and it's all my fault
 
@shadowhand o/
 
I don't really want to be bound to libjit anyway ... I'm just testing the thing out ... it might not be worth it ... moving around void pointers is moving around void pointers, it's a difficult thing to optimize ... and the overhead of compiling is not small ... but worth a look whatever ...
 
@Wes You should not be allowed to talk to other people. :B
 
@Wes just wait until he invents a schema language for it
 
Wes
7:00 PM
@PaulCrovella shhhhhhhhhhhh
 
@JoeWatkins do you have a syntax? or a repo?
 
in the extreme, it looks like ...
/firstChild(List)[
	/firstChild(Item)[
		/siblings(Item)[
			/children[
				/children(^SoftBreak)
			]
		]
	]
]
or
---------------------------------------
|OL	|INSTR	|IV	|RV/#T	|
---------------------------------------
 #0	 FCN	 0	 1	|loop
 #1	 CON	 1	 #27	|(List)
 #2	 FCN	 1	 2	|loop
 #3	 CON	 2	 #22	|(Item)
 #4	 NEN	 2	 3	|loop
 #5	 CON	 3	 #17	|(Item)
 #6	 FCN	 3	 4	|loop
 #7	 FCN	 4	 5	|loop
 #8	 CON	 5	 #10	|(^SoftBreak)
 #9	 ENT	 5	 -	|-
 #10	 NEN	 5	 6	|
 #11	 SET	 5	 6	|-
 #12	 CON	 6	 #10	|(^SoftBreak)
 #13	 JMP	 6	 #9	|-
 #14	 NEN	 4	 7	|
 #15	 SET	 4	 7	|-
 #16	 JMP	 7	 #7	|-
 #17	 NEN	 3	 8	|
 #18	 SET	 3	 8	|-
 
ah, markdown
 
Wes
this is how skynet begins, with markdown
 
better that than yaml I guess
 
7:07 PM
herpes in your eye is better than yaml ...
6
 
xD
 
7:30 PM
@JoeWatkins Are you saying Paul thinks herpes is better than YAML, or that eye herpes is better than YAML?
 
Wes
herpes in paul's eye is for sure better than yaml
 

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