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10:22 AM
Does PHPUnit keep any kind of progress information on disk as it runs?
I have a test that's stalled, and I don't want to have to bisect to find it
 
Wes
imho no @Leigh
 
, time to start running a folder at a time then I guess, ty
 
Wes
that was just a guess though
 
@Leigh --verbose?
 
Wes
isn't it --debug?
 
10:26 AM
or that
No idea
 
lets try both for good measure
 
Both :P
ha
 
Wes
:B
 
ty, getting a face full
(not the first time today either ;))
 
We know you like it
 
Wes
10:29 AM
moar tool breaking @PaulCrovella
 
@Wes you actually cut and paste via the right click menu? dafuq dude
 
Wes
i couldn't show with a gif how i press ctrl+c
 
@Wes what do you use to record those screenplays?
 
Wes
@brzuchal licecap. it's for windows. don't know if it exists for other oss too
 
@Wes LICEcap simple animated screen capture tool for Windows and OS X :( That makes me sad
@Wes You've ruined my friday :/
 
Wes
10:34 AM
lol
 
Why do you always break things @Wes
 
there's Peek github.com/phw/peek
 
Wes
@NikiC i don't do it on purpose
 
maybe if you tried to do it on purpose it would stop happening
 
Anonymous
Didn't know there was a programing language called Vala.
 
Anonymous
10:39 AM
So many languages today, it's hard to keep up.
 
This guy is a software engineer, you can tell by his awesome estimation skills https://t.co/mvKSgJ1NMD
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@Wes And with simple paste?
Because the fact it added slashes to things I didn't want was a fucking huge annoyance
 
Wes
Abstract function SomeTrait::func() cannot be declared private cc @pmmaga "abstract private" makes sense for traits
 
Anonymous
> Restoring the past for the future
 
10:52 AM
@Vamsi Awesome tool
 
Wes
@brzuchal util i start using it
 
I tried moment a go and it was fine :)
 
Wes
you are underestimating my tool breaking skills
(i'm joking)
 
What should I be looking for in a senior backender?
I got...
> Great Object Oriented Programming and Design skills
Understanding of SOLID principles and common design patterns
Good working knowledge of LAMP stack and Symfony 2 / 3
All the tests: Unit Testing with (PHPUnit), automated regression testing with Behat etc
APIs, REST and SOAP
Any more I've forgotten?
 
did you throw soap in there just to scare people?
 
11:02 AM
Someone headred about any PHP alternative for Camunda BPMN Platform - Flexible framework for workflow and process automation (Java) ?
 
@PaulCrovella Actually google adwords api for my project uses SOAP, although likely be rewriting ;)
I think the newer SDK doesn't use SOAP
 
to answer your question though, put in there what you need someone to have, not what you think someone with that title should maybe probably have
 
@Jimbo Database thing?
 
@Linus Figured I have that covered with the M in LAMP
@PaulCrovella Hmm, maybe that's what I was thinking. I was thinking "someone who calls themselves a 'senior' should at least do this..."
Nice tip, cheers
 
if there's any kind of specialization (e.g. knowledge of a particular industry) list it either as required or desired, as suitable
 
11:11 AM
@Jimbo I wouldn't name any specific library like symfony, phpunit or behat, because a good candidate would be able to get working knowledge within a week at most
 
@StefanoTorresi That depends. Someone who works with and advocates Laravel is at a significant disadvantage - the good skills are not easily transferrable then
But I get be more generalised with the criteria
 
that's why a good candidate wouldn't send you a resume where he defines himself a "laravel developer" :D
 
@StefanoTorresi They actually do that, you know. People say they are "this framework" and don't realise it's harmful for their career
I'm also thinking:
 
exactly, you don't want that, even from "symfony folks" ;)
 
> Understands architecture best practices but aims to be pragmatic
@StefanoTorresi Problem is, if I list them as "MVC Frameworks" it's factually incorrect yet what a lot of people would understand
Maybe "Modern PHP frameworks like Symfony"?
 
11:14 AM
that I like much more
you give a hint on what you'd like, but people won't get fixated on that
that should avoid interviewing people who claim to be "x expert" when they only just made an x tutorial
 
Yep, same with people who claim to be great at Object Oriented Programming, but when it comes to any business logic it's actually procedural code
 
> The report query is not valid. Timeout expired. The timeout period elapsed prior to completion of the operation or the server is not responding.
That's one error message, apparently
It may as well say "yeh, something happened, dunno what"
 
@Jimbo welll that's what the interview is for, I guess
 
@Jimbo I'm great at POOP
 
!!poop
 
11:16 AM
💩 @DaveRandom
 
!!poop-on PaulCrovella
 
💩 on @PaulCrovella
 
I can't believe you implemented that
:D
 
!!jimbo
 
@Jimbo should blow you.
 
11:18 AM
!!poop in @DaveRandom's shoe
 
💩 DaveRandom in @DaveRandom's shoe
 
lolfail
 
why did you fuck up !!poop in the process
 
!!peehee fail
 
@PeeHaa should be pitied.
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11:19 AM
That's how it should be
 
interesting.. properties can be private though so that sounds like a weird choice indeed. however, you kinda can accomplish it with the example from the docs:
class MyClass2 {
use HelloWorld { sayHello as private myPrivateHello; }
}
 
Wes
i didn't think of that
 
@FlorianMargaine murderer
@PaulCrovella I didn't. I made it better
 
Wes
but in general i tend to avoid that stuff... if you need to rename methods, change their visibility, etc. you designed the thing wrong :P traits should be simpler...
 
class YourOwn { private $idaho = 'underground like a wild potato'; }
 
11:24 AM
@Wes probably yeah, but i'm the wrong guy to talk about that as i don't think i ever came across a problem that traits were the solution for :P
 
traits are great to remind you to fix your shit up
 
Wes
imho traits are way less dangerous than inheritance, and composition is way less dangerous than traits
 
then again with your ability to break copy/paste maybe it is in your best interest to let traits handle that for you
 
Wes
until i break traits too
 
right, but nobody cares about those
 
11:31 AM
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!!does anyone care about traits?
 
God, yes!
 
Editor: "Write it down" Intern: "It sounds like we want to suck off spanish blokes" Editor: "I SAID WRITE IT DOWN" https://t.co/4Y8fDOT7Ft
 
Wes
@PaulCrovella what makes abstract classes better than traits?
 
Jeeves ppl, I had an idea for a poor man's travis plugin.. Would something like this work? !!alias travis sayf [https://travis-ci.org/$1.svg?branch=$2](https://travis-ci.org/$1)
 
Wes
11:33 AM
or class inheritance
 
Command '!!travis' aliased to '!!sayf travis-ci.org/%s.svg?branch=%s#.jpg';
 
ugh
fail
 
try removing the #.jpg from the end
 
That's needed to make chat render it as an image, doesn't affect the thing though
 
ahhh got it
 
11:38 AM
You are so bad
 
ugh, it's case sensitive :-(
Also the / separator doesn't play nice with it
 
@Wes I am not up for this conversation right now
 
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Wes
@pmmaga the hash fragment is invisible to the server
 
@Wes yup yup, forgot that :P
 
Wes
11:40 AM
:P
 
!!travis php\/php-src / master
 
it's something! \o/
 
Ha
 
:D
 
11:42 AM
ffs
 
What are you doing Jeeves
 
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@Jimbo debugging, and what to do when people disagree with your suggestions.
 
punch them in the neck
 
11:51 AM
that should be an actual option on github PRs :D
 
@DejanMarjanovic please will you add yourself as a service hook on Github to implement that? ^
 
@Jimbo Something something security practices
 
@Jimbo a deep abiding hatred of frontend developers
 
@Jimbo Why would symfony be in that list? Or any specific framework?
 
I don't hate frontend developers, without them someone might try to make me do frontend work.
 
11:56 AM
knowledge of appropriate and relevant xkcd comics
@PaulCrovella oh oh ... I'm scared ...
you just have to hate them enough that they don't involve you in their conversations about javascript frameworks or javascript in general ... but not enough that they leave ... it's a delicate balancing act
4
 
when they try that I talk about java like I don't know the difference
 
^ this
> That place in browsers where Java went to die? Java's Crypt?
 
@PeeHaa Because we're using Symfony :)
 
Oh it's for your work work
 
Yep work work
I get my own team :) So I'm putting Good sense of humour required at the bottom
But then it'll sound like a dating advert
 
12:08 PM
@Jimbo Yeah with you on the team he is going to need it
 
:D
 
:P
 
Phrase of today
$ 11
                    Would I get laughed up, if I was to say I am W3Schools certified PHP Developer. I am trying to take the $95 course. See how if feel like
4
(oh, no need to star, the "famous eleven command" just picks random starred room-11 message anyways)
 
Don't tell me what I can do
:P
 
oh, you, @PeeHaa - can definitely go help your mom with another client :p
or was it all about @Jimbo's one ? :0 I forgot the meme :\
 
12:16 PM
It's @Jimbo's
 
ah ok
 
I ran a quick check - turns out, all suspended users have 1 rep. — Shog9 ♦ yesterday
 
don't let him fool you
 
@shog did a funny
 
12:26 PM
lol dat title
 
I like it
 
help him to make mvc run.
 
hoho.. found myself cv-ing first time for like a year
 
Wes
i'm writing crappy tests again
 
Anonymous
your face is crappy.
 
12:36 PM
that was uncalled for
 
Wes
why do i always have to remind you that you look like justin bieber
 
:P
 
Anonymous
yesterday, by Wes
a fat justin bieber.
 
@JayIsTooCommon your attitude will get you nowhere looking like a fat justin bieber
 
Anonymous
yeah.. well.. you look like a fat sea horse.
 
Anonymous
12:40 PM
have that.
 
Anonymous
TIL, it's a sea horse.
 
Wes
@JayIsTooCommon correct
 
Erm, is it not possible to have PhpStorm start debugging a server that is listening only to HTTPS requests?
 
@DaveRandom @PeeHaa just submitted a doc patch
 
12:49 PM
@staa
 
@poo
@staabm \o/
 
Hmm, when you see 4 years of PHP on a CV but it actually means 4 years of Uni
 
> Provided by anonymous Markus Staab
well, I suck
 
Hahahah
 
@DaveRandom why? you're protecting Markus Staab's identity by keeping Markus Staab anonymous
 
12:54 PM
agree, anonymity ftw
 
This patch was submitted by someone we're not going to name. It was Markus Staab - we didn't name him, his parents did.
 
Wes
can i do phpt tests in phpunit? i'm testing code generation, so writing php code within php strings isn't really comfortable. would phpt tests help?
 
@Wes Don't think so, it's a format that was designed specifically for run-tests.php afaik
 
Not sure what triggered it to allow me to do that now
 
12:59 PM
@DaveRandom thx for protecting my privacy ;)
did I something wrong, regarding authorship?
 
!!blame daverandom
 
...
!!poop-on daverandom
 
💩 on @DaveRandom
 
@staabm No, I did something wrong modifying the auto-generated commit message, which isn't generated correctly for github logins, apparently.
github logins were added to the docbook editor relatively recently
 
1:01 PM
@DaveRandom Not sure why you ping me now :P
 
@PeeHaa why shouldn't I?
 
:P
 
@PeeHaa I like to ping you.
 
just submitted another patch
 
Wes
@DaveRandom looks like i can run phpt files with phpunit, but not sure is going to help
 
1:03 PM
@DaveRandom is it possible to configure the editor to take my github profile as committer?
 
Wes
oh btw using the here/nowdoc in phpstorm completely breaks code highlighting and completion
actually, just <<<"AAA"
 
visited the main site's landing for first time this year
 
only for you, @Wes. only for you.
 
looks like SO has been completely infested by vamps
 
Wes
@PaulCrovella really?
 
1:05 PM
really
 
Wes
WTF
 
@kelunik I don't think it's really practical for the database to restore prepare handles on restart like that
The handles are per-connection and ephemeral, I don't think it has any mechanism to indicate session resumption across restarts like that (or possibly even at all?)
 
@DaveRandom Pinging me to tell me you fucked up is kinda redundant
 
pg and sql server certainly cannot do that either, pg uses names for prepare handles which makes it a bit easier to manage from a client's PoV but it's still the case that the client is still responsible for managing it
!!blame ekinhbayar/IntervalParser
 
1:11 PM
dammit
 
lol @Ekin ^
 
lol
 
I was hoping it would be your fault
 
!!blame my
 
1:11 PM
:D
 
:\
 
I need to figure out that string measurement thing
 
@AlmaDo That should either be converted into a plugin or errors should be handled on your service
 
@DaveRandom get the bounding box and subtract left x from right x
 
Yeh I will make a plugin at some point, we can have proper monitoring
 
1:13 PM
does it always blame?
!!blame ekinhbayar/BrillTagger
 
It returns an empty svg when the build is passing
 
WTH do spammers think they are gonna accomplish spamming my motorcycle classifieds with viagra and cialis?
I mean... wtf do coders even write this bull shit
 
So here it's showing nothing now because the build is passing, but if you break the build it will show a Badge Of Shame next to the build status
 
are they that desperate?
 
1:15 PM
I see
 
(not to target my site but to write this bs)
 
@PaulCrovella don't even need to do that because text-anchor="middle", literally just need the pixel width of the text
 
@DaveRandom which you do by getting the bounding box via the function I linked to you earlier
 
Yes I'm looking at it now
need a ttf for the font
font-family="DejaVu Sans,Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif" <-- not sure how that translates into measuring code
 
I was hoping for some input on the matter
 
1:18 PM
use verdana to calculate it
(don't commit it though, can't distribute that)
 
any particular reason? just because it's the most commonly supported?
 
does anyone really ever benefit from the viagra and online casino spammings?
 
Presumably or they wouldn't bother doing it
I have no idea who or in what way
use recaptcha...
 
I need to work on that Dave
 
it's everywhere and it's what shields.io uses for its calculations, so may as well follow their lead
 
1:20 PM
@PaulCrovella Ah OK, fine
I lifted the svg source from sheilds.io
I could just do font-family="Verdana,sans-serif" anyway
 
Im glad Google is so proactive about eliminating it... I hope they'll give up eventually
all odds are stacked against spamming
 
@DaveRandom yeah. you could also instead write an api that sheilds could call for info and let them handle the svg generation, caching, serving, etc.
 
@DaveRandom If they keep sending so many messages out... One day someone will respond - by clicking a link, filling a form or something that benefits the spammer
 
@PaulCrovella that... would probably make more sense
 
Maybe not everyone is as smart as us and some people fall for it
 
1:23 PM
Disclaimer: I am thick as pig shit
 
It seems the www has fairly ridden of the guy in nigeria who wants to transfer millions from his rich deceased uncle
online casinos and viagra are next I hope
 
-_-
 
Oh on that subject @iroegbu I never got my millions for your rich deceased uncle?
Was he reincarnated again?
 
musta been otherwise you surely would have gotten the money
did you send him the obligiatory $5000 in advance?
 
He was buried with all the money
 
1:27 PM
in the form of a check
 
No jokes, we have people that bury their relatives with money and luxury cars
 
I will be buried with luxury money
 
Hahaha... it'll burn where you are going
 
hehehe
 
You...@PeeHaa, you starred that rite? :P I forgot whether it was actually my fault or yours
 
1:32 PM
I starred what now?
 
You merged the failing PR, it is now your fault.
 
Wait wat
ARe you working together now?
 
Ugh. Fiiine.
 
Is that still that weird nulls in the signature error?
 
It seemed like you two are working together instead :P
 
1:33 PM
The badge of shame doesn't lie woman
 
I only work with him when @Jeeves makes me do it.
 
@DaveRandom I don't talk with him at all.
 
lol
@PeeHaa Not sure anymore, I have way too many local branches on that one...
It's not even called IntervalParser (locally) anymore
 
doomed-rubbish-project ?
 
Seems someone has driven a truck into a crowd in Stockholm
 
1:36 PM
@Ekin :P
 
Wes
@Leigh terrorism?
 
@DaveRandom would fit... wanted to broaden it a bit and allow more than intervals, it's DateTimeParser now but can change... dunno
 
@Wes No reports of the driver trying to stab policemen yet, so too early to tell
 
ugh those fucking newspaper vultures begging for photos again
Next attack imma make fake photos and tweet them
 
1:41 PM
@pmmaga I don't like blanket statements
Too soon?
 
!!? twat
 
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Apparently shots have been fired
 
@PeeHaa that took me longer than what i'm willing to admit :P
 
:-)
 
1:48 PM
@Wes You in? Come up with a good design for a w3schools t-shirt ;)
@J7mbo Get me a design and we'll profit share it.
I won't ask for any money I just want the t-shirt
 
image search "derp", pick any picture, write "w3schools" under it
 
w3schools - not even once
 
hahahaha
 
Wes
lol steve buscemi
 
1:57 PM
@Jimbo there's a short bus joke begging to happen in there
 
good morning
 
Wes
@Jimbo i imagine a t-shirt with this on it:

<blink oncontextmenu="alert('Disabled!'); return FALSE;">
          <marquee><font size="555" face="comic sans ms">
    <b>I\\\'m a W3Schools Certified Developer</b>
            </blink>
    </marquee></font size="555" face="comic sans ms">
 
w3schools is where Trump learned to Cyber
 
hahha
 
!!changelog ekinhbayar/IntervalParser
 
2:08 PM
[ IntervalParser ] [ 24c5bc7 ] Fix failing tests - Committed by: ekinhbayar on 07.04.2017 14:02
 
^ cc @PeeHaa
 
> How to get punched in the face by web developers 101
 
Wes
@MadaraUchiha pretty much
!!urban w3schools
 
[ w3schools ] a site created by webdevelopers whose only purpose is to misinform other webdevelopers in order to keep their job
 
@Ekin \o/
 
Wes
2:10 PM
i have made a huge mistake
 
Anonymous
@Wes php?
 
Wes
did a new phpunit logo but program is unresponsive now and i didn't save it :B
 
Anonymous
D:
 
Wes
i've launched a render at 60mpx
apparently that is too much
 
@Wes Yeah, but generally you can just wait those out
It's not like it's a bug causing it to enter an infinite loop and making it go unresponsive.
 
Wes
2:13 PM
@MadaraUchiha half that resolution takes 2 seconds or so to render. it's 2d lines
now i'm 10 minutes in and it seems dead
so i think it crashed
 
shame
Is anyone else experiencing chat not scrolling?
 
It happens sometimes to me
f5 always helps
 
Not to me :(
 
:(
 
lol, ketchup!
 
lol, https://lxr.room11.org/search?q=ketchup&defs=&refs=&path=&hist=&type=&project=php-src%40master (ketchup!)
 
should've given the source
 
Wes
:P
 
It's ok. It's an old one :)
 
!!lxr magic
 
2:22 PM
[ /ext/fileinfo/fileinfo.c#45 ] struct magic_set *magic;
 
Anonymous
Dec 28 '12 at 5:58, by dyelawn
You know why I love a cheeseburger? Because the patty, and the cheese, and the pickles, and the onion, and the ketchup; they're just so perfect together, every component doing what it should. You know why I love my HDTV LED 70" 480 Hz thingy? Bcoz it's awesommmme
 
lol
 
chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/11?m=36362299#36362299 that better be said only to annoy Wes :P
 
No worries. I will not ruin your spaghetti :P
 
Anonymous
spaghetti ruiner, i like that title
 
2:30 PM
looks like the truck of peace has made another "truck-attack": bbc.com/news/world-europe-39531108
 
Anonymous
arrested him apparently
 

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