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1:54 AM
what would be the best method of creating a pastebin-like system where users create text content and can share it?
for example, how would you determine the "Vz3HF0MT" in "https://pastebin.com/Vz3HF0MT"
and would this just be a unique key included in a database?
something like

identifier (string): Vz3HF0MT
user (string): anonymous
content (text): asdf

something like that
 
2:10 AM
@RobertCalove the "Vz3HF0MT" is just a random unique string generated yeah
I am not sure what is your confusion here
 
2:26 AM
o/
 
i figure it's like md5(uniqid()) or something
although it does seem a bit shorter than md5
 
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3:47 AM
Is it just me or are Eloquent relationships more difficult and cumbersome to define and use than to just query the relation your damn self?
 
about time you noticed ;)
 
That is bad news. It doesn't neccesarily matter whether you're using active record or a data mapper.
But it's WAY easier to just use the query builder to return your model based on an ID.
 
... or none
 
The "function must return model instance thing" in Eloquent drives me nuts. Sometimes the whole point is that I want it to be false.
 
easier than SELECT foo, bar FROM table WHERE id=:id?
 
3:53 AM
Oh. There is no way I would go back to pure SQL.
I just want the model definitions and a query builder I think.
(A query builder that knows about my model definitions, that is. )
@FélixGagnon-Grenier I want an object with methods, damn it. Screw SQL.
 
enjoy laravel :)
it might be because I have never put enuogh time into learning it, but I have never tried any orm or data mapper that was coming close to expressing the entities my real world clients actually deal with
also, multiple joins is a pita to express with those, as far as I've been able to tell
 
4:24 AM
morning room
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier I have no idea what the last part of what you said means.
Also, I wrote my own framework. It just uses Eloquent.
 
... everybody here has their own framework
@Allenph the last part of what I sad means that, when dealing with entities with normalized collections of properties, you have to store stuff in dozens of tables
and linking all that together through orms, just feels like learning a new paradigm, instead of writing sql and building collections through simple data mappers
holy shit @Wes you were that guy?
 
morning all
o/
 
4:39 AM
\o
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier I actually am beginning to see what you and so many others are talking about.
You can't simulaniously have a database that is normalized and a model with "traits" on a separate table with most ORMS without considering those "traits" a separate model.
Currently the controller takes care of considering conceptual models.. but that's stupid.
 
bah. that's naming and organizing stuff, mainly. a "service" could be more efficiently tasked with that
 
 
1 hour later…
5:50 AM
ImageMagick supported formats is showing blank
in phpinfo
how to fix it?
 
6:05 AM
@varuog add extension=php_imagick.dll line to php.ini file
@varuog referance
 
Is this sentence correct? (English perspective)
> it tries to set border-left property to the posts who have been seen already
I'm doubt about the word of who in sentence above.
 
6:21 AM
You could replace it with "that"
> it tries to set the border-left property of the posts that have been seen already
 
I see, thx
 
meurning
 
Wes
6:35 AM
Morning (English perspective)
AGDFESHGITHJ£$TOIDSXGFD (Italian perspective)
 
How do you pronounce the £$ characters in the Italian language?
 
6:58 AM
o/
 
moin
 
lmao
 
Anonymous
Moins
 
@DaveRandom oldddddd
 
7:04 AM
I know Hitler did lots of meth, it would make sense he would go to a rave
 
morning Dave,Madara,Patrick
 
@Alesana lol
 
@Akshay it already had enabled. as it was showing in phpinfo() as i mentioned earlier
 
@Linus Morning
 
it turned out that it was imagemagick version that was causing the troubled imagemagick 7.*.* was not wokring with php. It had to match the php compatible imagemagic 6.9.3
instead of downloading from imagemagick i needed to download from pecl dependency page. and it is working now.
 
Wes
7:22 AM
@DaveRandom correct
/me goes to buy a new keyboard. suggestions? (mechanical)
 
Wes
ahahaha
 
I'm so glad that exists ...
 
Wes
beautiful
i had a beer accident yesterday
 
Wes
7:26 AM
\o
 
Can anyone recommend a solid list of reliable https proxies (free / paid)? Asking for a friend. Yes a friend I don't have time for any illegal shit atm
 
I've accidentally eaten a fair number of flies, but I've no idea how you can drink beer accidentally, and assume that is what we're talking about ... or you pee'd your pants while drunk ...
 
He spilled his beer on the keyboard
 
ah
won't it dry out ?
I buy the same keyboard over and over ...
 
user image
3
 
7:28 AM
how does that even happen, except for troll?
 
You have two windows open, accidentally type into the wrong window.
 
yeah, I can understand with facebook or something
 
Wes
i've cleaned it but it's not working well
 
Feb 21 at 14:30, by Félix Gagnon-Grenier
git status
but posting a tweet?
 
Wes
dunno what's wrong. it's just easier buying a new one :B
 
7:30 AM
bah, I guess I'm not tech savy enough :)
 
Mirnigns
 
Morning guys! First time in chat!
 
@Jimbo hehehehe good one. Like we need a tweet to know how much an idiot @DaveRandom is
 
7:46 AM
can not connect to sybase with pdo_dblib – #74477
 
!!rfcs
 
8:00 AM
morninis
 
yo
 
Anonymous
yo pm
 
Anonymous
!!wotd
 
latitudinarian: allowing or characterized by latitude in opinion or conduct, especially in religious views.
 
Anonymous
@FélixGagnon-Grenier hitting return, I assume, does the posting
 
8:09 AM
mornin
 
I am having a really hard time deciding how to make this UX :|
I think I belong in a team where I don't do any front-end work
 
@JayIsTooCommon as always, you're™ cleverness is striking
 
Anonymous
I am a genius.
 
:D
omg the expanse
I'm like, 4:15 am, I get to work in 5 hours, and I can't stop
ffs.
 
moagain
 
Anonymous
ya christ
 
christ, no less
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier just finished the last episode on the way to work this morning
are you behind?
 
I have like two episodes left
 
Anonymous
what are you watching?
 
8:22 AM
damn, things sure are escalating
@JayIsTooCommon it's called "the expanse"
some science fiction series
 
best scifi since firefly
 
yeah, really the best
 
oh that's a good reminder... I have the last two episodes left
also mornin
 
Also Archer is back on and silicon valley starts on sunday... That should bridge the gap till GoT is back :)
moin
 
8:38 AM
@Patrick that's a bold claim
 
Anonymous
@Wes is it multiplayer?
 
Morning 11
Started playing factorio, reviews are right, it's crack for gaming
 
Anonymous
o/ - yeah tempted on that one too ^
 
@JayIsTooCommon yes
 
under no situation should one start playing factorio. you won't stop
it's best named cracktorio.
 
8:44 AM
OFFTOPIC: Does anybody know how to remove an unmounted drive from nautilus in Ubuntu? prntscr.com/eyg3x6
 
Anonymous
I might start playing Prison Architect again, 'tis an awesome game
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier real talk
 
@DaveRandom i know. watch it if you haven't
 
@Patrick noted
 
9:05 AM
it's ... still a laravel app ....
 
git rm -f * && git commit -m "Fix All The Bugs" ?
 
git rm -f * && git commit -m "Fix All The Bugs" ?
 
I don't know what I done to deserve this ... all my time is being spent on wondering just what I could have done ... it must have been bad ... maybe I killed someone ...
is anyone missing ?
 
That's what you get for blaming me all this time for every fucking thing
Karma is a bitch
 
9:09 AM
Your wife arranged it as punishment for the birthday thing
 
:P
 
@JoeWatkins maybe it's @PeeHaa's fault
 
so you admit it's your fault @PeeHaa ?
he just admitted it @PaulCrovella
 
Anonymous
Apr 11 at 14:40, by Joe Watkins
so do I ... but for much scarier reasons ... last night dreamed that I beat someone to death and couldn't find a way to dispose of the body ...
 
That somewhat backfired
 
Anonymous
9:09 AM
it was no dream.
 
s/dream/moon/
 
it's too terrible
 
nytimes.com/2017/04/19/world/europe/… this is not going to end well, stay safe @Ekin <3
 
yeah :( it's going much less violent here but... done the annulment thing, so who knows... thank you
totally unrelated, does anyone ever use tmux with default prefix at all? that's just such a bad pick imo
ctrl+b+key... every time you want a new session or to split etc
 
9:25 AM
So I've been in Paris a little while now, all I can say is... this place is dirty
 
So you feel home right away?
 
Other peoples dirt != my dirt
 
Is this phrasing right?
!empty supersedes isset
To explain that !empty catches more cases than isset, and saying isset && !empty is superfluous
 
Wouldn't say supersedes
supersedes makes me think isset has no uses anymore
 
Yeah. I know there's a word to explain that X contains Y and more
Just can't remember it
 
9:31 AM
Why would you need to say something like that? :)
They are different things. Treat them like that imo
 
Because one of the devs wrote a bunch of if(isset($_POST['foo']) && !empty($_POST['foo']))s
 
redundant?
 
and I want to just note that using !empty and isset together is pointless
 
overkill?
 
Yeah that works
 
9:34 AM
useless?
beer?
 
Please
 
uh shit
Now what :P
 
Anonymous
pooshit - have you purchased your south coast ticket?
 
Wish I spent longer learning set theory in uni. I put a lot of time into it but now I've forgotten half the notation and wording
 
I would lie if I say I have
@Sean pffff who needs uni?
 
9:35 AM
Jay can you give me a piggyback down to the south please?
 
Drinking beer and smoking pot is what makes good developers
 
Train tickets are unbelievably expensive
 
@Sean you thinking of superset?
 
@PaulCrovella I think that's where I reached "supersedes" from, may I just meant to say "is a superset of"
 
Wes
@JayIsTooCommon yes
 
Anonymous
9:36 AM
@Sean ikr, i'm going to drive if I go
 
I have that game I think
 
Anonymous
let's all play.
 
Isn't that free?
Not sure now
Think I installed at at some time and got bored after 30 seconds
:P
Will check whether I indeed have it
 
Anonymous
You can't talk about boring games with the shit that you play..
 
Your face is shit
Chat fucked that one up ^ promise
 
Anonymous
9:39 AM
:P
 
Exeter is near portsmouth right?
Wonder if I can fly there and travel
 
Anonymous
around 3 hours away
 
Is Sara the one who did the rabbit talk at north west?
Ah no that was Lorna
I could take a national express down for £20-25
but it's a 13 hour coach trip LOL
 
Anonymous
jeez
 
9:45 AM
@Sean unless you're travelling directly to/from London, distances in the south of England take much longer to travel than you would hope.
 
Sucks, I think south coast is out for me :<
 
Anonymous
what about flying to london?
 
Costs more, would just take the train direct
It's about £200-250 roughly to travel down and return on the train
 
@Sean if you can get to Manchester you can drive down with me
 
@FlorianMargaine do you know who from platform is attending dotSecurity / dotScale ?
 
9:51 AM
mornin
 
Or I could come meet you in Leeds or Sheffield or somewhere over that way maybe
 
what's new?
 
@DaveRandom How long is the drive down generally? That would be amazing
 
Would be going on the Thurs night, about 4-5hrs, depends on traffic (Birmingham is the shitty bit usually)
But it would be 4-5hrs in a BMW with the ability to stop for a break when you want rather than 4-5hrs on a coach full of... the sort of people who travel on coaches
 
Hahah, yup.
 
Anonymous
9:56 AM
@Sean I'd offer you the same from Exeter, but i'm driving down in a 1.2, 04 90k mile corsa. I don't want to be responsible for you missing anything due to a breakdown :P
 
do you guys know what youre doing for accommodation yet?
 
@Leigh no, I'm going to book something this week
 
you all going your own ways or a r11 airbnb? ;D
 
a r11 airbnb sounds like a good way to get kicked off airbnb
6
 
\o/
 
Anonymous
@Leigh not a bad idea
 
oh look who it is... /points @kat
get back to work, slacker
 
Kat
long time no see :D
 
10:05 AM
@Danack going to SC?
 
Mar 7 at 15:21, by Danack
@DaveRandom Yes, though I reserve the right to be snippy about having my talks declined.
 
10:20 AM
Anyone spare a sec to help me create a working WS connection to the sever?
vhost contains: ProxyPass /ws ws://127.0.0.1:9000 and ProxyPassReverse /ws ws://127.0.0.1:9000
 
What in specific do you need help with?
 
JS tries to connect to: url: 'ws://app.local/ws'
> WebSocket connection to 'ws://app.local/ws' failed: Unexpected response code: 503
 
also vhost as in apache?
 
Yep apache host, I'll do nginx another time
 
Sorry you're on your own
:P
 
10:21 AM
:D
 
What do the logs tell you?
Also is the ws server listening on that address?
 
@Jimbo Is the WS server listening on 127.0.0.1:9000?
 
@Sean > [Thruway\Transport\RatchetTransportProvider 2219] Websocket listening on 127.0.0.1:9090
Shit
 
lol
 
@Sean Perfect, thanks :)
and to a lesser extent @PeeHaa
 
10:27 AM
lol
noob
 
Am always noob
 
:P
 
@Leigh as Dave said.
 
You writing code for your worker/queue thing btw @Jimbo?
 
@PeeHaa Yeah dude, the original tech stack I used was ratchet + wamp v1.0, and ratchet doesn't support wamp v2.0, so I'm moving to thruway which does support v.2 and getting it working. Then will work on abstracting and allowing stuff to happen with different event loops etc
 
10:38 AM
Coolio
@Jimbo You are working on it in public or not?
 
@PeeHaa Not yet but can do... there'll just be shit tonnes of horrible commits though :/
 
@Jimbo Or you may also ping me when it's in a decent state instead
Whatever works for you
 
@Danack Actually starting to become accurate :D
 
\o/ /me is going to camp in the woods tomorrow, there's a hiking festival
best way to get out of the chaos going on here
 
10:48 AM
Watch out for wild @PeeHaa's
 
:P
wild @PeeHaa's better watch out :D
 
:P
I have the blister to prove it
 
lol
 
:D
 
too shame we couldn't find the elephpant
still annoying now that you mention
 
10:50 AM
Yeah still a bit annoyed by it :(
lol that
 
Wes
so i bought the keyboard
ended up replacing the switches on the old one because this one has a strange layout -__-
why can't they make the same bloody layout
never seen a shift that is third its normal size -__-
now i have a mix of brown and blue switches... surprisingly compatible
i can't even tell the difference
the blue ones seem a bit more noisy
 

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