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4:00 PM
Yeah,too much work even on sunday.
 
Getting paid for it I hope?
 
Yeah
 
oh so you still have the current job?
 
No,left week ago.
Now will look for job which have holidays on weekend's
:P
 
=)
looking for webdev stuff again?
 
4:04 PM
Yes,nothing else i can do apart from that.
 
> After selling my wife and kids to somalian pirates, I could finally afford to buy this card, I am EXTREMELY happy with the quality of this product, it handles everything I throw at it. But the best thing about this card is I get 24000 fps in Minecraft, which means I can feel what's happening too, I can feel the hits from the stone sword on my skin, this card definitely replaces the gap left behind by my wife and children
 
Previously problem is i didn't have any degree so could not get better jobs,but now i have will try to get something better this time.
 
haha
 
@bwoebi It's not stable yet - I think 32bit builds are broken at the moment, and there may be a few other compatibility problems too.
 
4:10 PM
@Linus A lot of people in our industry don't have degrees tbf
not relevant ones anyway
 
@Fabor what i have experienced in 3 years it's problem in India. It's one of major criteria to eleminate one from first round interview.
 
@tereško haha nice idea, :D
@Sean thanks bro, i will check first
 
@linus so get a good github portfolio to separate yourself.
 
@Fabor :) yeah that's what i am thinking,till now i don't have projects on github,and thanks.
 
3 years of work exp. helps a lot ot get a job.. but often a degree can also help.. especially with the start salary. I dont have an degree, but I have been in cases where it could have put me at a higher salaery.. nows a days it doesnt really matter much (to me)
 
Wes
4:30 PM
the github's php syntax highlighter in markdown files is not actually working isn't it
meh
 
Hebrew carecher dont convert as aspected – #75416
 
Wes
4:55 PM
til phpunit supports some kind of plugins \o/
 
How effective is PHPUnit at testing itself? I don't understand how a testing framework can test itself with itself.
 
Wes
i am writing a unit testing thing and yes i did originally use it to test itself :B i imagine it's the same for phpunit
 
But if there is a bug in the testing framework there is a bug in the tests done on the framework, no?
 
5:12 PM
@crypticツ well yes, but that's an inescapable truth. If you test it with some other tool then you are placing that same trust into the other tool.
if there's a bug in your testing framework then your tests might erroneously pass, that's true no matter what you are testing or what you are using to run the tests
 
so unit tests are nothing but a lie! =oO
 
Wes
@crypticツ i think you can trust the result though, or be confident that if there are errors they will come out. like, phpunit is not an intelligent being capable of self analyzing itself... tests consist in verifying results written by the programmer, which is hopefully an intelligent being :B
 
@crypticツ "who watches the watchers" :-P
I'm sure someone has formalized this problem with a bunch of mathematical proofs or something somewhere
 
*inserts Keanu conspiracy meme*
 
Wes
also phpunit is counter-verified by millions of scripts that make use of it... for the law of large numbers that's for sure worth something :P
and there is also the fact that tests are simple. verifying a return value is just a few lines of code... which hardly are buggy :B
 
5:26 PM
Also when something is as complex as phpunit, it is unlikely that a bug in phpunit would cause tests of phpunit to erroneously pass. It's still possible, but as the complexity grows the probability of such a bug decreases. (note that I am basing this on no evidence whatsoever but it seems logical)
again, I'm sure there are a bunch of proofs of this somewhere... this is the sort of problem that the theoreticians love
it's not a million miles away from the halting problem
 
Wes
i'd also add that tests themselves are not meant to guarantee that code is absolutely working. that would be testing all the possible scenarios
so yes, unit tests are a lie :B but we do our best
!!google testing vs checking
 
Search for "testing vs checking -site:w3schools.com" (https://www.google.com/search?q=testing+vs+checking+-site%3Aw3schools.com&lr=lang_en)
• Testing vs. Checking « Developsense Blog - 29 aug. 2009 - Blog: Testing vs. Checking. Post-postscript: Think of this blog post with its feet u… (http://www.developsense.com/blog/2009/08/testing-vs-checking/)
• Testing and Checking Refined | James Bach's Blog - 26 mrt. 2013 - Checking vs. Testing. For this reason, in the Rapid Software Testing methodology, we… (http://www.satisfice.com/blog/archives/856)
 
well, I can guarantee that the code is absolutely working everytime I input 100 to the function.
 
Wes
that's just one of PHP_INT_MIN <-> PHP_INT_MAX possible scenarios :B
 
exactly. and I can absolutely guarantee you that it is working :trollface:
 
Wes
5:34 PM
it's a trade off... boundary value analysis guarantees like 99% of the functionality and that's what you need and should do, because testing the remaining 1% would take literally ages of computation time :B
 
misread that as apes of computation time, and that wasn't so bad
 
Wes
that would be entertaining to watch tho
!!google boundary value analysis
 
Search for "boundary value analysis -site:w3schools.com" (https://www.google.com/search?q=boundary+value+analysis+-site%3Aw3schools.com&lr=lang_en)
• Boundary-value analysis - Wikipedia - Boundary value analysis is a software testing technique in which tests are designed to include repr… (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boundary-value_analysis)
• Boundary Value Analysis & Equivalence Partitionin… - 9 okt. 2017 - This tutorial demonstrates use of Equivalence partitioning and boundary value analysi… (https://www.guru99.com/equivalence-partitioning-boundary-value-analysis.html)
 
Wes
like if your working range is 5 to 10 both inclusive, you just want to test 5, 6, 9 and 10 for the ok values, and 3, 4, 11 and 12 for the non-ok values
 
Can we have Jeeves omit the -site:w3schools.com in his response? I throw up a little each time I see that domain name in the chat.
 
5:38 PM
@crypticツ W3Schools should not be trusted as a reliable resource. Click here to read why.
 
Wes
by testing these you can avoid testing 7 and 8
 
@Jeeves bitch, then don't talk about it.
 
@crypticツ No, we didn't did we? Would you like to?
 
Wes
@crypticツ it's -site: tho
 
@Wes hmmm, interesting. the logic is that they are probably covered by the other tests?
 
Wes
5:39 PM
aka exclude from results
 
Hello people, can somebody explain me micro services a bit.When I'm developing it that way does it mean that each of of them is a separate project than i comunicate between them though some REST or what ever.For example i can write one part in PHP and the other in GO and i can establish the comunication.Am i right there?
 
Wes
@FélixGagnon-Grenier the logic is that you can assume that if boundaries work you can omit testing the values "in between"
 
if the range is bigger than 5..10, should I still try and test some values in between? like in 1..100000?
... yeah I could also read the links you provided and stfu, sry
 
Wes
think how a range is checked, using > < >= <=, right?
if >= $boundary is ok, then for sure >= $boundary+1 will be too
so you test just $boundary and not $boundary+1
that's the idea :B
 
Wes
5:43 PM
was it clear? :B
unrelated: how do i say "fourth" in english but counting from 0? like "the fourth zero-based argument"
 
@Wes yes
@Wes fifth?
 
^ that
 
Wes
just want to make clear that eg fourth refers to the index 3
 
"fourth" and "fifth" are absolute positionals (there is no "zeroth")
 
only developers count from zero
 
Wes
5:48 PM
btw i just noticed that error messages from arguments in php are not zero based
 
@Wes then say "index 3"
 
Wes
was wondering if i could use some language magic that i didn't know, but ok :B
 
@Wes possibly in the world of mathematics, but nothing for us mere mortals
 
soooo ... I was watching some videos an realized something
in Latvian slang, the name for duct tape is a transliteration of "macgyver"
3
 
Wes
rofl
you mean duct tape? til also duck tape is a word
 
5:58 PM
yes, sorry
 
Wes
google says duck tape and duct tape are synonyms, you weren't wrong :B
also @FélixGagnon-Grenier en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-pairs_testing
ignore the math, just look at the tables
 
ehm
Checking tcpd'... INFECTED`
why would it say that (= must be a false positive
 
nite all o/
 
night @ToukaXKaneki
 
@RonniSkansing wat
 
6:11 PM
it's from teh output from chkrootkit on a digitalocean box.. it runs like once a day on all of them
checking the sha now
f4d0343ed2ad94ab33de1e4b59e6e045e28070d8 /usr/sbin/tcpd
 
Wes
6:51 PM
i did some refactor for some php code (renamed a class) from a .md file (```php ... ```) and it fucked up all the filenames in the project :(
 
7:08 PM
some might enjoy this series
 
7:28 PM
@tereško but the water, its memory, the vibrations!!!!!??
 
by cousin is a homeopath :(
 
hmmm... how are family reunions?
 
I tend to avoid the subject to keep the peace
 
I have other relatives who have worked in oil import and politics
 
7:31 PM
that's eclectic
that must make for entertaining free for alls at 3am full of scotch
 
oh .. and lawyers
I think I am genetically predisposed to consider the "less ethical solutions" , when faced with adversity
 
We are now into hour #2 of git clone git@github.com:php/php-src.git :-/
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier well .. I imagine its similar to what you would get if you put a group of gypsies with higher education in a room
 
I don't actually consider arguing with people online as an .. emm .. proper debate
 
7:36 PM
who would have thought...
just about to start the prince listening take two
 
:D
I actually am on my last Bobiverse book
these have actually been quite fun
genre: sci-fi
 
I don't know of bobiverse
 
not sure if this is a joke or serious universe
 
it was mentioned several times on this channel: youtube.com/channel/UCZFipeZtQM5CKUjx6grh54g
and the answer is: both
the name is an in-universe joke
as for themes: transhumanism, fermi paradox, space colonization
 
7:59 PM
@DaveRandom you on gprs or something?
 
@DaveRandom php-src unfortunately contains some large files, because people commit stupid shit for test cases
Like, yay, let's include a 50MB audio file as a test case and make sure it stays in history for ever
Though of course, that still shouldn't take two hours ^^
 
8:30 PM
@Danack no, dunno what's going on, I'm guessing github are having issues though because I cloned a bitbucket repo in the meantime and it was quick
@NikiC yes it fucks with lxr a bit too, although also I need to exclude tests from that and I haven't bothered to yet because it requires reading the source code
it took me a couple of hours last time to figure out the correct rain dance and annoyingly I lost that when the previous machine ate itself :-/
!!version #
 
Wes
Value of the requested variable on success, FALSE if the filter fails, or NULL if the variable_name variable is not set. If the flag FILTER_NULL_ON_FAILURE is used, it returns FALSE if the variable is not set and NULL if the filter fails.
exactly how drunk were them when they created the filter functions
 
@Wes one API to rule them all
 
 
2 hours later…
10:21 PM
quickly, ack your code for CURLOPT_SSL_VERIFY\(PEER\|HOST\) and if you keep seeing either set to false, give this a gander: github.com/paragonie/certainty
 
Wes
10:32 PM
@Danack ahahahaha exactly
 
semi related, they just played lotr the two towers on tv and didn't say there would be a part 3 :< y they do this
It's like how harry potter and the deathly hallows part 1 is ALWAYS on but never any others
 
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