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Anonymous
1:03 PM
@PeeHaa
 
@PeeHaa
 
@PeeHaa
 
?
 
Anonymous
Can you add fix !!tweet to hacktober list?
 
Fix what?
 
1:05 PM
I'm waaaaaaay ahead of you
 
Anonymous
everything
 
Anonymous
and put it as complexity easy, so that we can fool someone into starting it
 
@Sjon Yay for technical articles without a date. That's why datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc7507 exists.
Obviously needs to be implemented on both sides.
 
Anonymous
oOoo
 
Anonymous
1:06 PM
@DaveRandom work faster and harder please
 
I started off just doing -> #php but I ended up doing a bunch more stuff, I mostly just have to test it
this was me testing last night having accidentally left the live API details in my dev config :-P
 
Anonymous
noice :P
 
Wes
1:22 PM
!!should i get tea or milk or tea with milk
 
You should get tea.
 
Wes
don't tell me what to do
 
@kelunik nice, never seen that
 
Anonymous
@Wes lol
 
Anyone who uses an adblock, can you check out beta.blog.ircmaxell.com and see how it behaves for you?
 
1:27 PM
I saw a quick adblock message for a few seconds
 
I tested with noscript and it seems to work fine :)
 
And now the second block is an empty block
 
@ircmaxell there was an e-begging message for about 2s and them an empty box among the articles
 
E-begging... Sigh
 
1:28 PM
that's the official term :D
also, you probably should us patreon instead of paypal (or both)
 
Uh huh
 
per-article model would actually be appreciated by many here
also, make the message prettier :D
 
Can I complain about the green left border on the bio @ircmaxell?
It feels somehow like an out of place indent
 
the thing that I dont like is how prominent the tags are at the bottom of each article
btw, @ircmaxell, do you have any analytics regarding users with adblock?
.. for some reason I suspect that it's somewhere near 95%
 
Wes
e-begging is what drives most of the web tho
 
Anonymous
1:35 PM
I don't mind the prominence but could be limited to 4 or so
 
Wes
and adblockers are bad
 
Again. No they are not :P
I am from the industry your argument is moot
 
@Wes that's why I have shit to watch on youtube :D
 
:P
 
... as one might suspect, debunkings of flat-earthers are not considered to be "advertiser friendly"
which reminds me, I should update my patreon sub list
 
1:38 PM
@ircmaxell "Before we get into code smells, let’s talk for a brief second about the entomology behind the term." Did you mean etymology, or is that a subtle pun (the study of bugs)?
 
Wes
so you deny everyone to earn something just become some imbeciles did stupid videos
 
Anonymous
!!wotd
 
mealy-mouthed avoiding the use of direct and plain language, as from timidity, excessive delicacy, or hypocrisy; inclined to mince words; insincere, devious, or compromising.
 
@Wes wat?
 
Wes
or you deny everyone to earn something just because you watch pr0n sites with pr0n popups and pr0n viruses (i'm talking to you @PeeHaa)
ads on legit sites are not invasive, like adsense
 
1:40 PM
@Wes There is a huuuge fucking gap between taking a stand against tracking people and making money
 
I actually have disabled adblock for youtube ... and see almost no ads ever
 
Saying otherwise is ill informed
 
Anonymous
what is this pr0n thing you speak of .. it sounds delicious
 
I never see ads on youtube because I give them $10 a month to never ever show me ads for any reason
 
You are like friends I have who post anything on FB and don't see the problem
 
Anonymous
1:41 PM
@Dereleased huh ... that exist?
 
@samayo "YouTube Red"
not to be confused with RedTube... that's something else
 
@Dereleased it's still affected by demonetization
 
@tereško hmm?
 
basically, creators do not actually get anything from youtube red, if the video is being marked as "demonetized"
 
Anonymous
But they don't get anything if it's demonetized anyway, do they?
 
1:43 PM
Yeah, that's my assumption there
 
@JayIsTooCommon which is why there is patreon
 
People who say there is nothing wrong with ads are the digital equivalent of anti-vaccers
 
Anonymous
!!urban anti-vaccer
 
whatchoo talkin bout willis
 
!!urban anti vaxer
 
1:47 PM
[ anti-vaxer ] 1. A person who apposes vaccinations despite scientific evidence. Often associated with a fear that they cause autism. 2. Slang for someone who refuses to acknowledge obvious facts because they're contrary to their preconceptions.
 
Close enough
 
Anonymous
ah
 
Anonymous
the flu jab does cause autism though
 
Ads are not the problem, though, advertisers are, and their increasing demands for personal information to allow targeted ads. Targeted ads are starting to become indistinguishable from propaganda or mind control
@JayIsTooCommon Yes, but it also cures it, so if it gives you autism, you just go grab another, easy-peasy
 
Anonymous
I get @Wes's point, about showing support for something you're getting for free but yes this ^^
 
1:50 PM
@JayIsTooCommon Yes me too
buuuuut the current tracking malware serving ads is not it
 
Anonymous
speaking of autism, what's that Bruce Willis film where he's protecting the autistic kid?
 
It's evident that the ad model is no longer viable in the long-term
 
Saying otherwise and spreading it is bad for innocent people
 
More and more people block ads in all platforms
 
@JayIsTooCommon Cop Out
 
Anonymous
1:51 PM
Hahah, I totally got your joke there. HAHahAh. Hah.
 
Anonymous
i got you.
 
6th sense @JayIsTooCommon
I guess
 
seeing the dead is autism?
 
Anonymous
you all suck
 
Mercury Rising
 
Anonymous
1:53 PM
^^
 
Anonymous
that
 
@JayIsTooCommon It was Mercury Rising
 
Anonymous
what a great film
 
lol
So many movies
 
good morning
 
1:53 PM
o/
 
good afternoon
 
I was essentially forced to watch a news segment where they interviewed this guy who became trump's social media strategist, and he was talking about how they used a shitload of split testing to set up algos that would create hyperspecific ads that might be targeted to 10 or fewer people, sometimes literally just one person
that... is a problem
 
anyone tell me good site to learn about stopping sql injection
 
not just from the political standpoint, but that is certainly a particularly egregious use of it
 
Anonymous
!!sqli
 
1:54 PM
!!canon sqli
 
2785
Q: How can I prevent SQL injection in PHP?

Andrew G. JohnsonIf user input is inserted without modification into an SQL query, then the application becomes vulnerable to SQL injection, like in the following example: $unsafe_variable = $_POST['user_input']; mysql_query("INSERT INTO `table` (`column`) VALUES ('$unsafe_variable')"); That's because the us...

 
thanks
 
erif nonac!!
 
Anonymous
11 hour shifts all week. This is going to hurt
 
At least you don't have to make your own food nor have to get your own beers
 
1:57 PM
@JayIsTooCommon are you perusing a new career in burger-flipping?
 
Anonymous
@PeeHaa well if you hadn't been a slut, i'd still be doing those things for you
 
:P
 
Anonymous
@tereško offered £750 more for the month to hit a deadline
 
hmm ...
 
Anonymous
s/deadline/unreasonable deadline
 
1:58 PM
@JayIsTooCommon You misheard them and made an assumption, they offered 750 additional pounds of rice
 
Anonymous
also it's Christmas based, which pisses me off even more
 
I have don that in the past
wasn't worth the damage
 
> They are all unreasonable other it wouldn't have been set because you would have hit it anyway
4
 
Anonymous
I'm not sure I can get anymore damaged though
 
- joseph goebbels (1939)
 
2:00 PM
want to star, but dat attributation...
 
:P
 
Anonymous
We would like to be able to draw a red line with green ink, and we would like it done by next week please
 
Anonymous
summarises it but monies init
 
@JayIsTooCommon Management's fault basically?
Do you people do shivers scrum?
 
@JayIsTooCommon am I having a stroke? DOES ANYONE ELSE SMELL TOAST?
 
Anonymous
2:01 PM
now i want some toast :(
 
Anonymous
@PeeHaa what's that again?
 
@JayIsTooCommon I love that sketch
 
Wes
when you block an ad, there is another person that doesn't block ads and gets two because of you. if ads are invasive it's because of those that block ads. online newspapers are getting replaced by fake news because people don't want to pay subscriptions, nor they watch ads. other organizations can't afford to have commercial stuff arranged. for instance i maintain a site that employs two persons (+ me when needed), it's useful for thousands users daily, and all they earn comes from adsense
 
Anonymous
jesus @Wes, are you on fucking ie6?
 
Anonymous
get with it man.
 
Wes
2:02 PM
eh?
 
Anonymous
we're talking about toast now.
 
Wes
i am reading now. sometimes i have to work yknow
by blocking ads you literally make internet worse
 
Wes
because all the information disappear, and you only get goods
 
@Wes You forget a huge thing here
Publishers are fucking lazy
 
2:04 PM
@Wes If you'd just hand over your money when people demand it on the street, other people wouldn't get beaten up or killed over it. Resisting handing your money over to those who demand it makes those who demand it more violent. Just stop resisting.
 
That's why they go to google
They want the ad monies but not have to think about how to get the ads
 
Wes
> organizations can't afford to have commercial stuff arranged
 
They built a site didn't they?
They cannot build a revenue stream in the same site?
Well boohoo
Instead they are selling their users to random 3rd parties
And opening them to malware
 
Anonymous
If I was a young boy, tra lala lala lala
 
Wes
they can't afford to do that. adsense and similar are the only option. it's still banners
you block them all, not just adsense
 
2:08 PM
No
Wrong
I don't block locally served static banners
And no not being able to affort is is a weak argument
 
Wes
if you are using adblock or ublock you do
 
Nope
 
BTW I just sold my email contacts to a marketing agency because I needed money
 
Wes
these things take time to organize, a manager to employ. it is a lot, too much, for a small company
 
2:10 PM
That thing with the local banners, is that a config open somewhere @PeeHaa?
 
They built an entire fucking website
 
Wes
so all you get is sponsored content, is what you are suggesting it should be
 
Surely they can serve an image
@Dereleased It does that automagically for me (ublock) there is a Dutch fileshare site (I forgot the name atm) which works like that and it just displays
@Wes For starters. target ads based on article content instead of user profile
Secondly don't share page visits, article purchases, personal info with random 3rd parties
 
Anonymous
I don't like it when Pieter knows what he's talking about :( I have nothing to make fun of
 
Wes
obviously it's not serving the image the problem, but all the logistic required to serve banners
 
2:13 PM
Thirdly don't serve (by proxy) non validated content from random websites
@Wes You are telling me you can serve a website, but somehow are incapable of serving an image?
 
Wes
from finding advertisers to infrastructure to legal consultations
all the stuff that google does for you
 
@Wes what does google do with regards to legal?
And you are already have infra in place, because again you are serving an entire site
And yes finding advertisers is work I agree
 
Intervening here :)
Google also checks if the images in the banners are not, for example porn
 
but the reason we ended up witj the current situation (a.o.) is exactly because the rtb stuff is huge now because there are a lot of publishers thinking like tha
 
Also provides a CDN
 
2:16 PM
@DreamWave It doesn't for most people
I can validate my own creatives
Fairly surely when I click publish google is not checking it anymore
 
That's interesting. How do they control such stuff then? Maybe they rely on random user input ?
i.e. "report this ad as inappropriate"
 
Yes AFAIK once your account is certified they can only do that
I am 90% sure a google person does not see my creatives if I publish before serving
 
ok so now is the time where, having finally started to read a programming book, I annoy y'all with how life-changing it is. Couldn't you have told me to do it before?
 
It might not be manual - with all the AI they have they might actually scan your image automatically
 
s/AI/opencv maybe/ :P
 
2:21 PM
@FélixGagnon-Grenier told you what? To annoy everyone? :D
 
do it
 
@Jeeves wtf
 
2:21 PM
@PeeHaa OOps.
 
oops indeed
@DaveRandom ^^^ it posts the thumbail instead of the video :P
I know my fault, but you are looking at !!tweet :-) <3
Also I will /rant now. Just know all that ranting comes from me not trusting my own industry because I know the people / organizations in the industry @Wes
I still love you anyway @Wes
 
aww, hugs for everyone.
 
<3
 
Wes
you need to provide a solution or your rant is invalid
 
WTF
I hope that is trolling
:P
Otherwise it's a stupid thing to say :P
 
2:26 PM
@PeeHaa wait wut? I didn't even think it would do that much?
Or have you just randomly deployed my dev branch to production?
 
I know. I am amazed by my own skill too
 
still, afaik we have no handling for youtube whatsoever
oooooooohhh
ugh
 
It does the thumbnail
:-)
 
yeh, because that's how SO render it
 
yep
 
2:27 PM
@crypticツ awww, dat hankey :)
 
well we should be able to work around that
 
yep you should
:P
 
fine, I will completely rewrite another thing you did
 
:P
 
Wes
people try to crack 1$ apps for their phone, do you think a small site can earn enough to live if not supported by ads? @PeeHaa what do you propose...
 
Anonymous
2:29 PM
So about that toast
 
17 mins ago, by PeeHaa
@Wes For starters. target ads based on article content instead of user profile
16 mins ago, by PeeHaa
Secondly don't share page visits, article purchases, personal info with random 3rd parties
16 mins ago, by PeeHaa
Thirdly don't serve (by proxy) non validated content from random websites
Start there
 
Anonymous
butter or no butter? Crusts or no crusts? Cut in half or full slice?
 
Butter, crusts, full
 
Start thinking about a business model that doesn;t sell out your users
And yes it involves work
 
Anonymous
@DaveRandom nicee, I like it
 
Wes
2:30 PM
let's move on... what's in the toast?
 
I realize that
 
@Wes Jam
 
til @PeeHaa is actually a considerate, nice person
 
Anonymous
Though you're a manc, and they dip everything in tea. @DaveRandom Do you dip your toast in tea?
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier s/, nice//
 
2:31 PM
ofc I knew before, but wow. didn't you work with ad companies before?
 
@Dereleased spelling issue :) Thanks!
 
@DaveRandom for the DNS plugin hacktoberfest item, would this be an acceptable dependency to add to composer? github.com/amphp/dns we also have github.com/DaveRandom/LibDNS
 
Wes
@FélixGagnon-Grenier he's not
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier :D
 
2:31 PM
I am still working @ ads people
:D
 
@tereško it was about there last I checked
 
@crypticツ yep
 
@PeeHaa you definitely can! that's what I'm looking for
 
@ircmaxell Maybe either just remove the left border or move it to the top
 
Anonymous
@Wes so there's people at work who have bolognese sandwiches. Spaghetti included
 
2:32 PM
For some reason I dislike the indent
 
@crypticツ The former depends on the latter, in general you want to depend on the former unless you are doing really low-level protocol stuff
also... what DNS hacktoberfest item? :-P
 
It reminds me of a slected state somehow
 
@JayIsTooCommon no, that would be insane
not on board with soggy toast
 
Anonymous
@DaveRandom it's actually nice. Milk too.
 
2:33 PM
biscuits maybe, but not toast
 
Anonymous
When you eventually invite me round for tea, i'll let you try some. I'm nice like that
 
@crypticツ Ah right, now that's a completely different issue, neither of those libs support whois
 
oh didn't realize the issue :P
 
whois is another terrible thing about DNS, you would be well advised to look for some API/service
 
But now I think a dns plugin would be nice too
 
2:36 PM
!!nslookup $name [, $type = A [, $server = 8.8.8.8]]
 
/me likes
 
@PeeHaa let me see how it looks just removed
 
@DaveRandom Does ampdns support external servers?
 
@PeeHaa pretty-printing arbitrary DNS record types gets pretty complicates pretty quickly though :-/
 
Wes
@JayIsTooCommon wat
 
2:38 PM
@PeeHaa should do, certainly if you create a new resolver instance
 
kk
@ircmaxell k <3
 
Anonymous
@Wes which was my first reaction but then.. they made the point of subway with the meatball baguettes
 
yeh but pasta in a sandwich...
 
Anonymous
I know, it's a bit crazy
 
Wes
i've seen tortellini on pizza
 
2:39 PM
A bolognese sandwich is basically a sloppy joe though, I wouldn't do it myself but I do kind of get it
 
Wes
some american stuff.
 
@DaveRandom so we are allowed to use system apps to query whois info for Jeeves?
 
Maybe we should start a new self hosted ad platform to begin with :P @Wes
 
free APIs have a limit of up to 500 requests per day.
 
The current ones I have seen all suck
 
Anonymous
2:40 PM
I'm sat in a PHP room talking about pasta sandwiches and enjoying it more than work. I need to re-think this
 
Wes
eh that would be something
 
@crypticツ That's fine, we're not running a hosting company in here or anything :-P
 
Wes
where ad publishers can subscribe themselves and upload their banners
 
or even a non tracking based / keywords based platform
 
how would you handle the storage of the API key?
 
2:41 PM
@Wes yes something like that
 
@crypticツ as in exec()ing stuff? There's nothing that does it currently afaik but there's no reason you can't as long as it's reasonable/not open to abusing the server resources (see amp/process)
 
The biggest issue will be not being able to track impressions/clicks
 
Wes
i've seen one too. it was written in asp.net. it sucked
 
Which is what people do
 
@crypticツ config.yml
 
2:42 PM
@Wes For php there also one
And some forks of the same thing
They are beyond terrible
 
ah ok. What OS is Jeeves running on?
 
Currently all of them
 
@Jeeves tell me your secrets
 
@crypticツ I can't.
 
arg
 
2:43 PM
prod is centos
 
bloody github outage
(or circleci)
 
@ircmaxell Just wait 10 years so I can finish my own selfhosted platform
:P
Make that 20 years to be on the safe side
 
is whois installed by default on CentOS?
 
I would go for an external service instead I think
 
Wes
damn i did the tea but i didn't drink it. it must be cold now
 
2:46 PM
@PeeHaa this @crypticツ. The main issue is that whois is not a concrete format, whereas an API will give you uniform responses
 
Wes
bleh
 
@PeeHaa simultaneously?
 
freedomainapi.com/free-whois-api.html allows one call per minute so 8,640/day
 
@Dereleased :P
 
@crypticツ I think your math might be off by a factor of 60 there
 
@Dereleased lol yea you're right
 
!!? 60*24
 
Search for "60*24 -site:w3schools.com" (https://www.google.com/search?q=60%2A24+-site%3Aw3schools.com&lr=lang_en)
• A day is not 60*60*24 seconds long - A geek with… - 18 nov. 2015 - Days aren't 60*60*24 seconds long. They are 1 day long, which on most days maps to 6… (https://swizec.com/blog/a-day-is-not-606024-seconds-long/swizec/6755)
• Why is a minute divided into 60 seconds, an hour… - Thanks to the ancient civilizations that defined and preserved the divisions of time, modern societ… (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/experts-time-division-days-hours-minutes/)
 
dang. Anyway, 1440 @crypticツ
 
damnit, but they make you pay a one time $9 fee....to combat bot accounts or something.
oops
 
Wes
2:49 PM
@MadaraUchiha is that the linux boot screen? :B
 
!!eval var_dump(60 * 24);
 
Wes
* bootloader
 
@Wes Ubuntu
 
@Jeeves That was so much extra work haha
 
Wes
2:49 PM
i don't get it :B i don't use linux
 
@Dereleased Really?
 
*ashamed of math skills*
 
@Jeeves ya bro
 
When you install Ubuntu as a dualboot, you get a boot selector to tell you which operating system you want to boot into, and Ubuntu is the default (And if you do nothing, it autoselects after a few seconds)
 
@Dereleased I thought you said you are a girl.
@Dereleased Oh. I don't have a boyfriend.
 
2:50 PM
If you want to get to Windows but you get distracted by something, you'll find yourself in Ubuntu after the boot, and have to restart
 
That escalated quickly. First hint I'm not a girl and you're ready to date?
 
Your tea story reminded me of the infinity cycle of boot/reboot when that happens because you keep getting distracted :D
 
I actually have the same problem, only I am using UEFI for selecting booted OS
 
its the worst when you tell a joke and you have to explain it to the person :B
 
@ToukaXKaneki I don't get it.
 
2:53 PM
:P
 
all these "free" whois APIs want muh monies!
 
Wes
@MadaraUchiha :B
 
It's actually hilarious when someone makes a racist/sexist joke, ask them to explain it to you.
 
Wes
which reminds me i have failed to set the primary hard disk because i'm lazy. my motherboard keeps complaining that there is no bootable device found, so i select it manually every time :B
 
2:55 PM
@crypticツ maybe jsonwhois.com/pricing?
 
gotta be careful, some will ask for CC for verification, and if you go over the free limit they bill you overage charges.
 
oh
yeah we don't need to pass cc info
@ToukaXKaneki ?
 
nvm
move along
 
moving along
 
symfony are you ok?
 

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