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Wes
5:09 PM
i could start a new simple repo if you want. i could do something @PeeHaa :B
 
@Wes Only if it's actually useful. And not sure how many more we need
You don't have to go out of your way I guess
 
Wes
no something tiny i always wanted to make but that i never did :B let me think...
 
kk
\o/
 
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5:34 PM
nite all have a great monday.
 
o/
 
Wes
@PeeHaa do you know what's arg_separator.output is for?
 
For querystrings
 
Wes
ini setting. is that for the thing that replaces urls automatically?
 
Replaces urls automatically?
I know stuff like http_build_query uses it
 
5:38 PM
@NikiC Can you please remind me why we actually increment when leaving instead of entering?
 
5:49 PM
:D
also, nite all o/
 
@bwoebi because back in the day that would have meant initializing to opline -1
Now with GENERATOR_CREATE it no longer matters
 
Wes
@PeeHaa or anyone that wants to make a PR. there is this github.com/PHPToolBucket/QueryDotString to test (should be easy) and clean up a bit. feel free to suggest anything like renaming the functions or the package or whatever
 
6:05 PM
PHP seems incompatible with OneDrive files on demand – #75384
 
@Jeeves Why the fuck are you hosting your files like that
 
@PeeHaa It's a show.
 
A shitshow you mean
Also how the fuck is that a php problem
 
Wes
meanwhile, i'm still thinking if i can start something else. anything i can think of is just too hard
 
Feel free to comment here if you want to add something gist.github.com/PeeHaa/4c72bb3a603bfa0fb91c994aca2e99b8
 
Wes
6:08 PM
i wish it loaded
it took me 10 attempts to push on github
This page isn’t working
gist.github.com didn’t send any data.
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lol I know that empty response too well now :P
Although probably unrelated :D
wow
That one drive thing is the weirdest thing I have read this year
Am I just getting old?
 
Wes
uh?
ah lol
 
ThW
6:38 PM
Morning
 
Hey @ThW o/
 
ThW
but the Phive install does not really work on windows so far :-(
Looks like I need to patch Phive for that.
 
Wes
@PeeHaa do you have an idea of something i could kickstart ? :B
anything small i have that can be a package on its own is just a pita to complete properly
 
6:59 PM
Not sure :)
 
Wes
searching for functions in my code made me depressed
i only have unfinished or broken shit
 
That's mainly the only two state of things tbf
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier What about a superposition where it is both unfinished and broken?
 
hmmmm... yeah, I could make an extension ;()
lol, dat duck
 
7:14 PM
i wonder .,,
 
about ,!?>
 
since I am slightly drunk (and currently considering getting even more drunk), should I keep working on editing my old posts?
 
That is a hard question
 
keep in mind, that majority of my top posts have been produced while being considerably inebriated
 
lol
maybe that's what it takes to get your creative mind at work
My current hardcode minecraft game just got exploded by a creeper while I was taking a bite of salad.
which pisses me off, I had a nice little water plan to grow things
 
7:18 PM
@FélixGagnon-Grenier on the scale of 1 to 10, that quite hipster
 
;)
lol, tru dat, the touch with the salad is quite efficient
 
was it kale ?
 
I thought we were friends
 
:D
 
;) no, it wasn't, but there was feta and chick peas involved
 
7:20 PM
and it wasn't even vegan
you are such a disappointment to your congregation
 
ikr?
I decided to go vegetarian a few weeks, see if I can make without meat a bit
 
about that ... so I had this coworker, who had been vegan for 7 years
 
that is quite a stretch
 
and 2 days ago she made a confession - he had got this insane crawing, and the who past week she had started to eat all sort of meats
then again, she was one of those "sinning vegans", with a pension for tight leather pants
 
heh
so long for coherence, it would seem
 
7:27 PM
in my neck of the woods a lot of people, who tinker around with vegetarianism/veganism dont give a flying fuck about the "moral argument"
 
my favorite way to fail at keeping being vegan is cheese. God, a pizza, even vegetarian, is heaven and beyond when you're trying to eat vegan
@tereško wat?
isn't it like... the actual gist of it?
oh, they give you the crap "more healthy" thing?
 
most of people here do it for personal health reasons
 
Wes
@NikiC would it be useful if i did a "optimize use statements" tool :B (unless you did it already)
 
mind you, we were quite far away from the epicenter of bleak death, therefore there is a significant enough population, that has some issues stemming from partial lactose intolerance
 
ThW
@tereško seriously - an unbalanced diet for health reasons?
 
Wes
7:30 PM
i've changed approach entirely and now i'm working with FQN only, but when i'm finished i would like to revert to the short names aliases
 
@ThW picardfacepalmherewegoagain.gif
 
@ThW don't ask me, I like meat
 
@Wes what does that mean?
 
ThW
@FélixGagnon-Grenier I don't understand vegans or meat lovers :-)
 
hehe ;)
I don't really want to enter the details, because y'know, this is chat and whatever we say will mostly amount to "my source of authority has it that..."
 
Wes
7:32 PM
@NikiC if i have new \foo\bar\baz; in the code, it adds use foo\bar\baz; and then changes the code to new baz()
automatically
 
ThW
I like a good steak with some tasty vegetables
 
but yeah... whatever your diet is, it is unbalanced if you can't balance it
 
the bottom line is, @FélixGagnon-Grenier, any type of "moral arguments" are not all that popular in post-soviet countries
 
don't tell me you seriously believe most meat eaters have anything remotely close to "balanced diet"
 
we a way too machiavellian
 
7:33 PM
hence, it's kind of a non-argument against veganism and vegetarianism
@tereško yeah, I've kinda changed about that over the years
I was very "oh it's immoral". then some friend who was like "yeah I don't give a shit about animals" rocked my world
 
have you actually read "The Prince" and the related literature?
 
no
@ThW that being said, I am favorable to good steak and vegetables too :)
 
lemme see if I can find a torrent for an audiobook
hmm ... @FélixGagnon-Grenier all the torrents seem to be gone :(
 
lemme see if I can just share a zip
 
yes
it's one of those "serious literature" bits
 
you can dm me on twitter if you find it/want to zip the thing, but otherwise I "borrowed" code complete at work last week and I think I should read it
 
which is actually both entertaining and educational
 
hmmm, that is indeed, interesting
 
.. uploading
 
7:48 PM
Is this correct?
> enjoy breakfasting
 
should be about 136MB
 
you may delete the message I think
yup it is
 
github.com/PeeHaa/array-path I know, but isn't throwing exception a bit of overkill?
 
Wes
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github.com didn’t send any data.
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fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
 
7:50 PM
the audio is a bit quite, but the narration is good
 
also, FYI, "prince" in the context is of the book is meant as "ruler of principality", @FélixGagnon-Grenier .. and not as in the "the little prince"
 
yeah, reading "Il principe" I had a doubt on it
 
Wes
replaceNodes = true, changes Name to FullyQualified, otherwise if false adds the attribute
 
if anyone else want's Machiavelli's audiobook, ping me
 
7:53 PM
it also made me question the word "principe" in french (principle). I wonder what they stem from, and if Prince was meant as the "principle" of his people?
finished, ta!
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier I think it is the same position
not sure about that whole french-thing
 
it is irrelevant, it's the same... principle
 
also, keep in mind, that the book is more than 450 years old - even translated to modern english, in some places it sounds odd
 
will do :)
 
okay so far the slides got 15 kittens/cats, 5 unicorns including a dead one. I reverted back from the black background with white font, to a white with black font. I removed almost all the things on the slides that I say.. still not done yet, but it's a start, will work on it next weekend again... again thanks for the feedback r11
 
8:01 PM
@Wes I'd add an "If disabled, ..." instead
 
15 kittens?
 
It's kinda confusing because it's an option that defaults to true, while all other options always default to false
 
I think you are quite committed to the "internet is for for porn and pictures of cats" meme
 
@DejanMarjanovic I was torn tbh
It has an ::exists method though if you want to prevent the exception
 
tereško yea and I am only half way there, probably should be 42 precisely
 
Wes
8:03 PM
* * replaceNodes (default true): Resolved names are replaced in-place. If disabled, a
* resolvedName attribute is added. (Names that cannot be statically resolved receive a
* namespacedName attribute, as usual.)
 
@PeeHaa I don't like the $default thingy but maybe it would make sense... if one is specified the return that, otherwise throw.
 
@RonniSkansing don;t overdo it
 
@DejanMarjanovic I disliked the default thing other people did :P
 
Wes
the default value shouldn't matter, "replaceNodes" means do replace nodes. so, "if true"
 
@PeeHaa I have bastardized this github.com/igorw/get-in and works sort of really nice ... php 5.3 :P
 
8:04 PM
@tereško its hard, there is a lot of cute cats for every situation
 
@DejanMarjanovic Ah yes. Didn't come up in my search
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier I will want a .. emm .. "book report" on that
 
Wes
@NikiC or we can simply write, "If true .... Otherwise, if false..."
 
@Wes not what I meant, but nevermind, it's not important
 
Wes
8:08 PM
you can't make any clearer than that :B but i mostly cared removing the "not" that made me confused :B
 
.. and this is why nobody reads those "gaming sites" anymore
 
I've found something to print on the back of this t-shirt
Ah, that's probably it -- 3.2.0~rc1-1 on prod, 3.4.3~rc2-2 on dev — Mala 3 hours ago
 
Wes
i'm slightly pissed off that function(\int $int){} is invalid php
are there other builtin types apart int float bool string array iterable?
 
@Wes callable void
 
resource is not, right?
 
Wes
8:18 PM
ah right. void only as return
 
@Wes oh and object of course
 
Wes
7.2?
 
ye
 
Wes
what happened to the variance thing. i don't remember what the issue was
 
@NikiC to pick your brain, why can't we typehint stdclass? :-)
 
Wes
8:23 PM
you can. you mean instead of object?
 
@Wes there would be some code that could have circular dependencies between classes, which makes loading the classes be tricky.
 
> Hence it is that all armed prophets have conquered, and the unarmed ones have been destroyed.
:D
 
8:50 PM
can someone explain quantum computing without use of many-worlds interpretation?
 
that didn't actually explain anything
 
9:06 PM
/shrug :-)
 
Wes
9:17 PM
@tereško very roughly, 2 qbits contain 2^2 bits because of superposition. when you make them up you make sure that they are entangled in such a way that when you do "the observation" the 2^2 becomes the 2 bits that you are looking for
if you find a better explanation than my poor one i'd like to read/watch it too :B
 
@Wes Just use Laravel
 
Wes
ok.
 
@Wes well, I guess my question boils down to: what are the other explanations of superpoistion, that do not rely on "many worlds explanation"
... and no, I can not "ask normal questions"
 
Wes
they are not related. i mean, that is just one of the possible explanations of quantum mechanics
the behavior is that, the explanation doesn't exist :B
still wondering what this is about
 
that's "information theory" example
 
Wes
9:24 PM
i wish someone tried to explain this
 
are there any nice explanations in Copenhagen or maybe pilot wave interpretation
(which happen to be the most mainstream and most fringe interpretations, respectively)
 
Wes
i think pbs space time has a comparison
not that i understand them :B
 
not applied in the context of qubits
and, I actually like "pilot wave" interpretation, because it has completely no "magic" in it
 
Wes
i have no idea about that. my interest is purely for entertainment. i try to understand but i lack a couple of decades of formation about the topic :B
 
the "may words" has always annoyed me because of how wasteful it is
 
Wes
9:43 PM
conjectures are stupid. only verifiable stuff matters
especially conjectures that are infinite number of universes big :P
 
wat
 
Wes
the many worlds interpretation
 
we're living inside a quantum computer
=oD
 
Fatal error after overriding method and returning subclass of what parent do – #75385
 
9:46 PM
@crypticツ some people assume, that we live in a simulation
 
I'm one of those people =oP
 
and some people think that it is impossible, because "god is observing everything all the time"
.. there is way too much woo
 
once we create true quantum computing and develop super-intelligent AI, it could very well easily simulate a universe. If I remember right we need a quantum computer with 3000 qubits to simulate every atom in the observable universe.
 
10:02 PM
@crypticツ while you could do computation at a different scale, you would still be faced with a fact, that a 3000 qubit machine produced a single number as a result
general purpose quantum processing will be revolutionary, but it won't magically spawn AIs
even you have a 100Mqubit machine, it will not spontaneously gain conscientiousness
 
I'm not saying it will spontaneously do so. It will allow us to greatly advance AI abilities to the point it may lead to the singularity.
NASA, Google and others have already teamed up to use D-Wave computers for AI purposes. ti.arc.nasa.gov/tech/dash/physics/quail if they succeed, who knows?
 
@crypticツ Think about what you just said there
 
In particular the incongruence between simulating the whole observable universe and the fact that those qubits are also just made out of (a small number of) atoms
 
quantum computation give is executing same process not in serial but in parallel
 
10:09 PM
qubits scale as 2^n where n is the amount of qubits, afaik.
 
it's not a magic pixie dust, that you can sprinkle on your new PC to call it HAL
 
nobody is saying it is, we still need the proper software and research to use quantum computing effectively, but with advances in machine learning and quantum computing research the merger of the two is inevitable.
 
what advances in machine learning :D
I have been following them, and the main focus seems to be on AI safety for now and on creating AGI
 
what a relaxing sunday evening chit-chat :D
 
Wes
lol
 
10:15 PM
< quite drunk, also sleepy
@crypticツ be careful not to fall into the .. emm ... the cult of singularity
 
I would say things like this are advancements businesswire.com/news/home/20170925005364/en
 
that is not an "advancement"
they are going the rout of "lets mimic the brain ans hole something intelligent comes out"
this is basically the same as changing the iterator in your recursion in a hope, that you guess the correct value for your homework to produce the correct result
and ye, "mimic the brain" is a perfectly valid approach, but there has been no known breakthrough
i still remember the headlines from when the Deep Blue was built, that speculated it will reach the awareness any minute
let's just say I am old an jaded
 
I can assure of one thing: when AGI takes over the world, it will not look like that
in case if humans do not assimilate the computers (even thought we are already in process of doing it) and AGI simply takes over, we most likely would end up as some kind of bio-trophies
 
Wes
gn \o
 
10:29 PM
3v4l.org/aFnqp/vld#output is this doing assignment even tho value is the same? :-)
 
yeah, nn
I need to sleep too
 
@tereško not finished yet but damn. that's some interesting / incredible view of things
 
:D
 
@crypticツ hmmm.. what's that from?
 
probably Terminator 5
 
10:34 PM
yeah, looks terminator-ish
but yeah, this text sounds like it can become quite easily a metaphor to other things
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier yes, it is. It basically build down to: "doing the moral-thing and doing the ethical-thing is not the same"
killing the ruling family of a conquered country is not the moral thing, but in a long-term it will lessen the suffering of the population .. thus making it the more ethical approach
 
10:53 PM
posted on October 15, 2017 by kelunik

- Fixed issue with unknown socket on shutdown due to unpredictable `__destruct()` call order.

 
11:05 PM
posted on October 15, 2017 by bwoebi

amphp/aerys v0.6.1

 
@kelunik oh, ugh, the Router changes regarding __call() should have been v0.7 actually :x
didn't realize these were in there too
 
11:31 PM
posted on October 15, 2017 by bwoebi

amphp/mysql v0.2.3

 
fun day tomorrow
This is a core protocol-level flaw in WPA2 wi-fi and it looks bad. Possible impact: wi-fi decrypt, connection hijacking, content injection. https://twitter.com/vanhoefm/status/919517772123721728
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