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Wes
4:00 PM
dunno. maybe in the past, when i smoked too. now i drink way less coffee
 
but you still have to drink it on days you want to get something done?
 
I want to get "we don't do wordpress here" on a t-shirt
In fact, there's plenty of quotes from this room I'd love to have on a t-shirt
 
hmm
 
I second that t-shirt thing
 
can you change a hashtable key in-place?
 
4:03 PM
quick question, Zend or Laravel or Codeigniter?
 
whatever gives @tereško the least amount of headache
I've heard him complain about CodeIgniter and Laravall, but not sure about Zend.
 
@MAZux if those are the only options - stop
 
Wes
@Tiffany genuinely: i like the taste and because it's hot, but i can go without it
it sure helps though
 
@tereško what do u mean?
 
Wes
there are periods i don't drink it at all, i get tired of it and i switch to other stuff, usually black tea with lemon
 
4:06 PM
@Wes ADHD is a spectrum like a lot of mental illnesses, so you may be on the spectrum. For me, I NEEDED caffeine to do any kind of work, if it was at work, at home, whatever. I became functionally dependent on it.
 
@tereško any other suggestions?
 
@MAZux let me answer with a counter: what are you using the framework for?
 
Evening
 
@Wes So, I have a pretty high dose of stimulants to keep my brain in check during the day. I'm not sure how far on the spectrum I am, but based on my medication intake, probably pretty far.
 
@tereško building CMS
 
4:08 PM
You can build a CMS without a framework.
 
@Jimbo I used to stick to “type hint”, but we finally got round to changing the language used in the manual and such, so it was time to move on for me
 
Wes
i'm definitely on the spectrum @Tiffany :D but it's ok, i like how crazy i am :B i mean, i don't think i have big consequences from that. i mostly function
 
time for beer
cya guys
(and gals)
 
Wes
\o
 
streams are so shit ...
 
@Tiffany I know that, but I wanna do it with a framework now
 
I heard that WordPress is not a thing participated in by those in this room?
8
 
@JoeWatkins Lakes are cool, though
 
@JoeWatkins inorite
 
!!dad
 
4:11 PM
What do you call cheese by itself? Provolone
 
@Wes, yeah, I love my brain the way it is. I don't want to be neurotypical. I see things in different ways, and that's a valuable trait.
 
@Jeeves wah wah wah
 
@Tiffany I wanna build one for my freelancing work, not simple
 
.. that uses mysql?
 
@MAZux My employer contracted a local business to build a CMS for us. It's quite robust, and it doesn't use a framework.
oh wait, that uses a framework
blah
 
Wes
4:13 PM
@Tiffany when i was a kid i was diagnosed dyslexia. but then everything went normal
 
arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/09/… ... "3 democratize intelligence" - I'm not sure this guy has read twitter
 
@Tiffany :p
@Tiffany you can find a lot of these on github
 
@Wes My brain mixes letters up sometimes, but I read so much as a kid that if I am dyslexic, it doesn't affect me enough. I mess up my writing sometimes, but I'm hypercritical of myself and it stands out, so I have to correct any mistakes.
@MAZux doesn't surprise me. It was the first CMS that caught my attention that used Angular and PHP that I was thinking about switching to in the future for a freelance client. Now that I realize it uses a framework, I'm probably going to look at something else.
 
So... php.net/allow-url-include says that the option accepts a boolean. But the php.ini default is Off. Typo?
 
@Tiffany why are u against frameworks?
 
4:17 PM
I like vanilla as much as possible.
 
Man, these Laravel guys sure do like to strut their stuff. The only the only problem is they really have no stuff to strut.
 
@Wes haven't added babel to my project yet
 
@Machavity "off", "on", "no", and "yes" all get interpreted as boolean in ini files
 
Still in prototype phase
 
@PaulCrovella Good to know
 
4:20 PM
Actual prototype mind you not that fugly js concept
 
@Sherif It's sad, they're adamant that their way is the correct way. It's rather cultish, and another work like that one with one letter changed
 
Wes
@MAZux because you can produce perfectly functioning, more efficient, beautiful code without them?
 
@PaulCrovella Also "1", "0", and "". It's the same interpretation as FILTER_VALIDATE_BOOLEAN
 
@JoeWatkins … and yet … they usually work.
 
4:23 PM
@Wes yes, u r right
 
… That wordpress star spam.
 
@Jimbo A cult of ignorance and denial, yes.
 
Wes
inhabitat.com/… first hydrogen-powered train \o/
 
I'm saddened only two of five people appropriately put the apostrophe into don't...
 
@Wes Oh good. A hydrogen bomb on wheels.
 
4:26 PM
^ my first reaction
 
oh wait I realised now
you can't do an in-place key swap for a hashtable because changing the key changes the hash
so you'd have to move the bucket
 
yes
 
@Andrea err, why do you want to do anything in-place?
 
Wes
neh. hydrogen is cool. better than batteries. batteries suck.
 
This should be as part of a duplication operation, right?
 
4:27 PM
@NikiC avoid duplicating the array (again) if possible
 
@Andrea you'll have to delete and re-insert basically … or you should just duplicate the array
 
@Andrea You mean you only want to duplicate if you actually find an affected key?
 
@NikiC I currently do that, but the conversion code gets called after the array may have already been duplicated once
 
@bwoebi Wha? No inplace quicksort? booo!
 
4:28 PM
@Andrea why?
 
I want taht tshirt
 
@NikiC trying to make symtable-to-property-table and vice-versa be their own operations
 
@Sherif quicksort is operating on the array order, not on the hash key map...
 
maybe I should modify the function slightly, hmm
 
4:29 PM
@Andrea They would still be their own operations, just out-of-place ones
 
@bwoebi That was a joke (speaking from userland perspective).
 
actually, yeah, I know what I can do
 
@Wes that's actually awesome too .. and one of my coworkers couldnt get the joke
 
Wes
lol
 
so the problematic case is things like:
        case IS_ARRAY:
            {
                HashTable *ht = Z_ARR_P(op);
                if (Z_IMMUTABLE_P(op)) {
                    /* TODO: try not to duplicate immutable arrays as well ??? */
                    ht = zend_array_dup(ht);
                }
                /* TODO: this may cause the array to be duplicated *twice* */
                ht = zend_symtable_to_proptable(ht);
                object_and_properties_init(op, zend_standard_class_def, ht);
                break;
            }
 
4:30 PM
@tereško Nice Tshirt. I would like to buy it
 
@Andrea why do you dup first?
just create a new array and insert then in a loop
 
@bwoebi existing code does that
solution would be to add an “always duplicate” flag to zend_symtable_to_proptable I guess, and use that instead of zend_array_dup
 
@Andrea Invert the operations
You can still duplicate the result of symtable_to_proptable after the fact (in case it did not do it itself, in which case it won't be immutable)
 
@NikiC oh right
 
or yeah, have a flag, which would probably slightly more efficient but also slightly less clean
 
4:32 PM
yeah
HashTable *ht = Z_ARR_P(op);
ht = zend_symtable_to_proptable(ht);
if (ht == Z_ARR_P(op) && Z_IMMUTABLE_P(op)) {
    /* TODO: try not to duplicate immutable arrays as well ??? */
    ht = zend_array_dup(ht);
}
object_and_properties_init(op, zend_standard_class_def, ht);
wait no, that's not safe
zend_symtable_to_proptable will try to release the array it's given if it converts it, and can't know it's immutable
 
@Andrea Check the flag on the array, not the zval
 
@NikiC Z_IMMUTABLE_P() works on arrays?
 
@Andrea no, but there is a gc flag for this
 
oh huh, GC_FLAGS(source) & IS_ARRAY_IMMUTABLE is a thing
this means I can make zend_symtable_to_proptable safe on immutable arrays, great.
 
@MAZux no. That's not what I asked you. What I wanted to know was: what problem are you solving by using a framework? What will be it specifically used for?
 
4:36 PM
or that yeah, if we define that a proptable can't be immutable you can just handle it right there
 
@Andrea do you mind if I ask what exactly does "safe" signify there?
 
@Ekin doesn't try to destroy an array which must not be destroyed
 
oh okay
 
hmm, the object->array case is more complicated though
I might add an always_duplicate flag
if (!always_duplicate && !(GC_FLAGS(ht) & IS_ARRAY_IMMUTABLE) && !--GC_REFCOUNT(ht)) {
        zend_array_destroy(ht);
}
beauty itself, surely
 
PR title: "Implement bug 72777 (PHP 5.6)" … That's funny… a PR to implement a failure…
 
4:54 PM
I need to test this, but here's what I wrote: github.com/php/php-src/compare/…
I like it more than my previous attempt, because it won't duplicate unless necessary.
 
@Andrea err, don't destroy the old one
instead increase the refcount if you don't convert
 
@NikiC well, I did that originally, but then I have to decrease the refcount in the code calling it. I think.
Hmm.
 
5:34 PM
i have a update form everything works but in order to see the update part in the form box i have to rtefresh and cannot figure out why stackoverflow.com/questions/39663937/…
 
@Amoro before going any further you should learn about sql injection and properly parameterize your queries
 
i under stand and i am using mysqli escape string
 
which is not the same thing as a parameterized query
 
5:49 PM
@Trowski @bwoebi Do we have anything that makes it easy to return an Observable from a coroutine?
 
Do you guys namespace your tests? For example when you install Symfony it adds an autoload-dev entry to composer for the namespace Tests\. When running phpunit from the command line does it even care if the tests are in a namespace?
 
Maybe yield Observable::EVENT => $observableEvent?
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier I see they don't prefix the namespace with Tests\
I'm not sure which I prefer
 
I might need to rubber-duck this thing with the refcounts.
The current code is this: github.com/php/php-src/blob/…
It extracts the array directly from the source zval, and passes it to object_and_properties_init. Doesn't touch the refcount.
If it's an immutable array, it duplicates it.
Ah, but! It doesn't destroy the original array. So while I guess object_and_properties_init maybe doesn't increment the refcount, it wasn't decremented either.
Ah.
@NikiC you're right, I shouldn't decrement it.
 
6:01 PM
@JayIsTooCommon you on tnight?
 
@NikiC The solution is to do zval_dtor in the caller, which we didn't do before.
 
plutocracy: the rule or power of wealth or of the wealthy.
 
This does the right thing, I think: github.com/php/php-src/commit/… (thank you, @NikiC)
 
Hi everybody ! I was searching information about a syntax that I can't find ...

`_id` VARCHAR(32) GENERATED ALWAYS AS (json_unquote(json_extract(doc, '$._id'))) STORED PRIMARY KEY

Trying to understand GENERATED ALWAYS AS
Do anybody have a clue ?
 
6:17 PM
I'm so not going to read that on a friday night.
 
Thank you :)
I will have to :P haha
 
Anonymous
6 hours ago, by JayIsTooCommon
pooter, I should be on tonight if you're game
 
Anonymous
Thought you were blanking me ;) sure I'll be on at 8-9ish :)
 
@JayIsTooCommon oh. Yeah I thought if I ignore you you will just go away :p
 
6:46 PM
why is there no zend_symtable_add function
 
Bahaha
 
ok felix i went over the prepare statements but still cannot get it to show the updated info with out refresh
 
This room and it's links are my daily SOAP opera
 
Anonymous
6:55 PM
@PeeHaa rude :( see you in a bit :D
 
:P
 
I have a update form everything works as i want.. the only issue is it wont update the input field unless i refresh the page stackoverflow.com/questions/39663937/…
 
@Amoro yeah, it had nothing to do with the problem, just with better practice and securing your code, even if only by a small bit
 
thank you though
 
7:16 PM
0
Q: Regex for extract numbers and extension of string

abkrimI use code below for extract numbers and file name of strings with problem standardization 30183308__90_.jpeg 30193253-(100).jpg 30193253__100__.jpg 30193253_ _100_ _.jpg Use this function public function refactorFileName($filename) { $array = preg_split("/[^A-Za-z0-9]/", $filename); ...

Can i get a vote to close this from a mod?
It's working code so it shouldn't be on overflwo
overflow*
 
that is a very strange request. if you really feel a moderator should take their time for that there is a flag link below posts
use the custom flag option
 
only don't do that, as that's not something a moderator needs to take their time on
 
Then what would you propose? I don't have enough rep to remove it and it's not going anywhere.
 
good mornings lads and gents
 
7:28 PM
@bassxzero the question will soon be closed. what is the problem? just close the window, it will be gone.
o/
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier not a problem just figured someone cared.
 
we care. hence the question will be has been closed
 
Should I make post/redirect/get in a login? Isn't it useless?
 
@yessure if you do, then you can prevent some unnecessary back-end work
 
interesting RFC, @NikiC!
 
7:38 PM
@bassxzero any example of some unnecessary back-end work?
 
@yessure validating the username/password combo using your chosen auth method.
 
that sounds like primordial backend work ^
not unnecessary
 
Yes, even if I make post/redirect/get that step cannot be bypassed
 
ah crap, ArrayObject
 
@yessure correct me if i'm wrong, but post/redirect/get solves the problem of sending a request twice that should only be sent once. So if they are already authenticated and they refresh the page then your back end does unnecessary work to check the user name combo again, but If it is the first time submitting then the back end goes through the authentication process as it should.
no?
 
7:46 PM
                            printf("oh fuck.\n");
                            arr = zend_proptable_to_symtable(obj_ht, 1);
                            printf("oh fuck?\n");
debug prints are fun
 
@Ocramius So, what do you think about it?
@Andrea especially if they're left in production :P
@Andrea Ah yes -- I assume if you use ArrayObject on an object it will still treat it as a symtable?
 
@bassxzero Yes
 
@NikiC yeah, it does, but I discovered a bug in my code accidentally from the arrayobject test
@NikiC I've done that once or twice ^^
 
@bassxzero thanks
 
@NikiC that ArrayObject literally uses the object hashtable to store its array is both disgusting and amazing
 
7:49 PM
@Andrea Imho the disgusting thing is that you can use ArrayObject with objects at all...
 
> I don't think it is a good way to write a maintainable software.
that's interesting to read, in a php mailing list
 
@NikiC ?!
what the actual hell
how can… how can merely foreaching cause a segfault
what.
oh
…I shouldn't be allowed to do computer programming, this is easy
ZEND_HASH_FOREACH_KEY_VAL(ht, num_key, str_key, zv) {
        if (ZEND_HANDLE_NUMERIC(str_key, num_key)) {
spot the bug.
 
@Andrea missing a str_key&& ?
 
@NikiC yep
thanks ArrayObject
/* The `str_key &&` here seems redundant. ArrayObject disagrees. */
if (str_key && ZEND_HANDLE_NUMERIC(str_key, num_key)) {
 
8:41 PM
@NikiC which RFC that is?
 
8:53 PM
@kelunik the emitter class?
@Andrea If we weren't allowed to do computer programming each time we do such dumb mistakes, we'd have nobody programming computers…
 
and if programmers didn't make mistakes we'd only need like 2 of them
 
9:09 PM
why would people add honey to this type of tea: forsman-tea.com/en/tee/vihrea-tee/afrodite-gun-powder-5000.html
I dont understand humans
 
@NikiC would it be possible to get what directives were set on a given namespace through reflection?
 
@marcio Sounds reasonable, though not entirely sure where it should be exposed (we have no namespace reflection)
Though if in doubt, just get_namespace_declares() or something could do
 
@bwoebi Ah, yeah, seems fine.
 $ bin/packagist-download amphp/dns 0.2.0
+amphp/dns v0.2.0 ▼
+rdlowrey/alert v0.8.1 ▼
+daverandom/libdns v0.2.1 ▼
=/home/kelunik/GitHub/kelunik/docs/src/../out/2016-09-23-YW1waHAvZG5z
I have the prints in the downloader for now until I upgrade to v2.
 
@NikiC yea, better than introducing a ReflectionNamespace class. What would happen with declare parameters that are not recognized by the engine yet? Same error as declare(unknown=1)?
 
@marcio Not sure on that yet: wiki.php.net/rfc/…
 
9:20 PM
@marcio Will be fun to build those arrays dependent on all the versions. ^^
On the other hand, typos might not be recognized that way.
 
@kelunik merge it with a default set of declares corresponding to the latest version?
 
declare(strict_declares=true) to get warnings, silence otherwise
 
@PaulCrovella it's declares all the way down
 
Yes, you can just do $options = []; if (PHP_VERSION_ID > ...) $options["..."] = ...;
 
@PaulCrovella declare(stirct_declares=true)
I think it's better to keep the warning ;)
 
9:25 PM
@NikiC How about constants for all declares?
 
@kelunik how does that help?
Isn't that effectively the same as warning on unknown declare, just with one more level of indirection?
 
namespace_declare('A', [strict_types => 1]);
 
@NikiC Prevents typos as well + autocomplete.
 
hm autocomplete, true
 
Also, do we really need to error if it's used on the global namespace?
 
9:27 PM
with constants you can also check if a declare exists programmatically
 
Another thing I don't really like is that it affects only files included afterwards. Could we make the call issue a warning if there's already a class using that namespace?
 
Someone with 55K rep posting an answer as a comment? That seems kinda strange.
 
phpstorm is already smart enough to autocomplete string arguments for some functions, no reason it'd need constants for autocomplete here
 
@marcio Hm? You can just search for declare? What do constants add there?
 
@marcio imho it would be better to have a dedicated function for that
 
9:30 PM
@kelunik how would you know dynamic_object_properties is available? using if (php_version_compare...) {}?
or that, declare_exists('strict_cats') looks very PHP :>
 
@marcio Probably.
 
Stas is really asking to be trolled.
 
you know if you add reflection and don't warn for unsupported declares someone is gonna abuse it for stuff in userland
 
@PaulCrovella it could silently discard unknown declares ;)
 
I give it like a month before that becomes a bug report that someone "fixes" a year later
 
9:39 PM
@PaulCrovella is it considered abuse if both the library maintainer and its users agree? :P
 
@marcio it'd mean you couldn't add new declares without breaking bc
 
hmm, what was the RFC about throwing notices on undefined key access in an array?
or $foo = false; $foo['bar'] = false; // auto-cast should trigger notice
it was fairly recent, no?
 
@PaulCrovella besides, even if the unknown declares are discarded, people would still use PHPParser to reflect upon it. Before PHPParser a lot of people used regex. Practically nothing can be impeded.
 
shwanks!
 
9:43 PM
@Ocramius I don't think that's even covered by the rfc
iirc the rfc only covers reads
 
Oh, I see
 
there was another one maybe?
 
@marcio you can't prevent it entirely, but you can impede it - there's big difference between "this is what the language lets me do" and "I'm gonna parse something in userland to get what I want"
 
no clue, just needed to look it up, for now
thanks @Danack!
 
@PaulCrovella the error is good for many reasons but package maintainers won't be able to use new things without moving their dep constraints every time a new declare like dynamic_object_properties appears. Hence why I believe Nikita is considering accepting the unknown declares but discarding if they have no meaning for the engine at the time.
(I'm assuming new declares could appear, this may not be the future though)
 
9:51 PM
@bwoebi github.com/amphp/mysql/issues/19 < what do you think about that?
 
> > it might be beneficial to add a supports_declare()
Even if we don't have any directives that need to be checked yet, I
think that would be a good thing to have.

It will allow people who wish to experiment with new features to do so
more easily, which will make it easier to evolve the language, without
core PHP needing to be aware of all the directives.
 
@NikiC mixed feelings, so far. I can't say that I'd vote "yes" on it, still need to think about use-case scenarios
but in general, a library is either strict or not. Didn't find scenarios where strictness is important on a per-file basis
 
@Ocramius it's more for future proofing rather than a "we need this now to avoid a massive immediate problem". Having to set strict types in every file is already annoying....particularly when as you say, most libraries are either strict or not.
 
Yeah, but still, this "future-proofing" has bitten me every single time, so far :-P
 
Whereas the nature of PHP with it's never designed ahead of time syntax has never, ever, caused you to swear?
 
10:05 PM
Well, it's getting better thanks to PHP-Parser allowing compat
 
@kelunik I'm not opposed to this
 
@tereško isn't it much better to buy a 1080 these days? My 2x GTX780 in SLI perform like a single 1080
 
I have a VPS service with half a gig of ram, and I need to run composer update. What should I do. I've already killed mysql.
@Ocramius My brand new 1080 wasn't much faster than my years old 670
 
So… well … HP&cursed child appeared in German tonight … It … was a fun visit to the bookstore… Me, buying all sorts of books … and my sister waiting until midnight for that one book … mhmpfhm…
 
@GiantCowFilms run a composer update with some swap?
@GiantCowFilms if you run CounterStrike 1.6, sure :-P
 
10:26 PM
@Ocramius Okay thanks
@Ocramius I'm running rendering and 3D software, not games.
 
@Ocramius to be honest, I am not sure. GTX1080 is the most powerful card but it is not really future-proof due to how it (not) implements async compute
 
@tereško not aware of the internals of it...
 
@tereško So which cards do implement it?
 
@GiantCowFilms don't run composer update on a vps. Do composer update on your local vagrant box, commit the composer.lock file to source control, and then just do composer install on the server.
 
@GiantCowFilms ah, then it obviously didn't change much. I heard the TitanX has some decent OpenGL 3 support for rendering tho
 
10:28 PM
The only thing nice about it is the mountains of V RAM otherwise, its rather underwhelming for me.
 
@GiantCowFilms AMD cards do. But issue is that a lot of games do not actually utilize DX12/Vulcan
 
@Danack So If I copy the composer.lock from my development environment, that should work.
 
yes.
 
@tereško AMD cards are not supported by ALOT of the software I use day to day. I wouldn't even use one if I was paid too.
 
Though source control is a thing.
 
10:29 PM
Anyway, autocomplete is totally overvalued…
 
@Danack Which I am using, but I'm not comfortable putting composer.lock.
 
why not?
 
@GiantCowFilms it was interesting to see Linus try out some Quadro cards with no effect whatsoever on Cinema4D/Maya/3dsmax speed
 
@GiantCowFilms then you shouldn't even be looking at GTX
what you need are Quadro or Firepro (and you are sayin that latter is not supported by what you use)
 
@Danack I'm as adept with git as I am with poetry. If I break my rutine, I'm going to break something.
@tereško That sounds expensive.
 
10:30 PM
@GiantCowFilms you want professional hardware not gaming hardware
 
@tereško Pro hardware is rather expensive though.... I completely busted my savings just getting the 1080.
 
lol
 
Or... rent servers for just when you render
 
7 mins ago, by GiantCowFilms
@Ocramius My brand new 1080 wasn't much faster than my years old 670
you could have bought for that price a previous generation Quadro
 
@tereško how much Vram
 
10:34 PM
how much do you use?
 
As much as I can afford.
 
have you actually run benchmarks on your system and verified that GPU is your bottleneck?
throwing money at it blindly seems some what misguided
 
@tereško I don't see what else it could be...
 
yay, now stas is claiming on list that you can't use php for long running processes. great.
 
so .. you just guessed
 
10:36 PM
Also my benchmarks of the 1080's speed are roughly the same as everyone else's
 
speed of what?
 
speed doing the task I bought it to do, rendering
 
well, do us a favor and run a system benchmark while under said workload
 
Why, what exactly are you looking for
 
see how much CPU (and how many core) used, RAM, storage and GPU load you get
@GiantCowFilms you are looking for what maxes out
 
10:38 PM
I have no way of measuring GPU load
@tereško I can tell you now my CPU, RAM are not getting used to max at all
I have tested that
I know the GPU is getting cooked though, since I cannot watch videos while I wait for my renders to finish, despite the CPU and ram being at reasonable levels
 
@NikiC … is that real world satire?
 
Ughh, gotta update PHP on my server....
 
@tereško Does that work with non-msi cards?
 
@NikiC someone tell him that fatal errors are usually triggered by programmer errors and not by the user…
 
10:41 PM
@GiantCowFilms of course
 
Okay
I'll run a benchmark once I get a replacement MB from ASUS
 
@bwoebi Comes in really handy if you configure apps with env vars.
 
(my new 1080 computer is out of action, the motherboard died inexplicably)
Does anyone know of a better way to update PHP?
than backing up the ini, deleting the installation, putting a new one in, than manually updating the apache settings?
 
yaourt -Syu --aur (for arch linux)
or
portupgrade -var (for freebsd)
 
Ubuntu version?
 
10:45 PM
no idea
 
Also, I'm on 5.5.* should I go to 5.6 (which will meat the requirements), or go to php 7?
I think I made my dev environment php 7....
so lemme just go with that.
 
@GiantCowFilms just use 7. It's stable. Do use it. 7. SEVEN.
 
to get the official repo, You will have to update Ubuntu
 
@Ocramius Okay. Its backwards compatible I assume?
@tereško ?
 
mostly
ubuntu locks software version to OS version (unless you use unofficial repos)
 
10:50 PM
Should I apt-get install php7.0 or is there a 7.1 (I remember seeing 7.1 somewhere)
@tereško Huh?
 
@GiantCowFilms pretty much, yes
@GiantCowFilms there is a 7.1 via ondrej's PPA
 
@Ocramius I'm using digital ocean's
@Ocramius is it stable
This is "production"
 
No, 7.0 is stable
 
7.1 is RC, which means stable in a few weeks
 
10:51 PM
7.0 sound good
 

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