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22:02
@tereško not a subscriber, but I somehow like it how the guy moderates the series when I stumble over the vids.
Can we have something in PHP 7 for design by contract in core?
maybe part of the assertion module?
there was an rfc about this iirc
really? who did bring that up?
@hakre Yasuo. Which means it aint gonna fly
never actually got implemented though, too much discussion on internals and didn't go anywhere
22:07
I see. Yeah, you for sure can discuss around that a lot, it's perhaps just necessary to have annotations in core and to be able to make use of them by having insertion points in user-space but then it's clear where this gonna end with "Frameworks" (Frameworks! Frameworks! everywhere).
wow, there are actually two RFCs about DbC.
maybe I can read them tomorrow at the office.
I dislike both
give me first-class annotations (just metadata, not code execution) and you can do that stuff via extension
That's basically the idea I mentioned with the difference that via an extension instead of userspace there is less the problem with a thousand DbC frameworks.
Sounds like a way to go honestly.
wasn't that one RFC about annotations useful? wiki.php.net/rfc/annotations - or as well overengineered?
22:16
code coverage for PHP 7 is out? That's great news!
@hakre IMHO wiki.php.net/rfc/… <-- that's bad
this is early symfony syntax isn't it?
I don't care about the syntax
I mean making it instantiate objects automatically
well, it's such a proven concept we know from unserialize :D
22:22
@ircmaxell well, why not but I somewhat dislike the syntax of those << >> brackets. Looks too important to me, I'd like to have it a little more discrete.
For the PHP.net RFC I wasn't aware it instantiates objects which looks too much to me. From userspace, good support in Reflection would be nice.
I wonder why not just use "normal" @tag annotations.
ARG, why the fuck is json_encode using locale-dependent output for floats
what? that's a bug I'd say.
jup. frac
. digits
@ircmaxell seriously? Probably use %G, which is locale dependent?
something something, setlocale is stupid.
it's from a different time.
22:28
Anyone interested in actual nightly builds of PHP on Travis? I could totally add up-to-date builds to php.kelunik.com
@ircmaxell It isn't
@Baba nice pick
why does PHPstorm offers me to run the javascript first? Even on a PHP file?
@ircmaxell the "unique passwords" part is what hurts to use
I can't define salt option in PHP7 is there any other way how to do it? I saw this github.com/php/php-src/blob/master/ext/standard/tests/password/…
22:43
@NikiC whoops, missed the ternary there
@tereško no it doesn't, #5 in that list
Does IteratorIterator downcast or decorate?
@ircmaxell yeah, well. I suck at that one too. Is there a good manager that you can recommend?
loosing the stick with the password manager on it sucks big time.
even with backup.
my "usb password manager" is named passwords.txt
@tereško I like lastpass
22:54
So I can rely on PHP7 salt right?
@ircmaxell does it integrate with firefox on android?
@tereško I believe so, I know it integrates with chrome on android
@tereško that one on loosing is really bad.
I have a backup on my VPS
but yeah, loosing it means "change all passwords ASAP"
23:03
it means: why the hell did I store so many passwords, who needs the crap nowadays?
Full disclosure has real use.
And it actually works.
23:23
@hakre well, it also is "shit, what were those passwords"
@ircmaxell for that there is backup, but still, it's like too many to change them all.
luckily it's illegal to take other persons passwords even if you have them plaintext ^^
at least as long as computers are involved.
Okay I have to admit: Once I had an GPG key with quite some nice passphrase. And I was loosing it w/o backup. And for anything I encrypted with it, this is garbage now.
Hopefully this only happens once in a lifetime and you fail early.
23:44
My god, I've been a member of Stackoverflow for some time, but now that I've actively participated in answering questions and involve with the community, a whole new world seems to have opened up, like this chat. I didn't know it was this active.
@Ventus of course it is :D
23:59
@Ventus well, you're welcome
also, you managed to hit a quite-spot somehow

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