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9:00 AM
yup, erase all stars from the sky
 
@MoshMage let me guess. Universal Greeting Time?
 
@JoeWatkins BTW irc channel #phph for Hampshire. Some good guys on there, it's a little quiet though.
 
yep ;P Someone [from here] introduced that to me, been using it ever since x)
 
@tereško i don't have any problem yet, im still studying codeigniter, but hearing your feedback,it felt that my effort wasted -_-
 
9:03 AM
@CodeSlayer Study CI only to learn what not to do
 
@Fabien network ?
 
Hi folks :)
 
OH BY THE LORDS, @CodeSlayer avoid CI like you avoid diseases. honest to god. I've been using it for two months now and ... it's really weird. If you can, boot up a Symfony one
 
@jned29 Hey there!
 
freenode irc
 
9:04 AM
@CodeSlayer Cool, but you should be learning wordpress first
 
think my amp got wet ...
 
@Leri lol. TRIFECTA! Don't forget Joomla.
 
@MoshMage well .. symfony has issues too =/
 
@Leri Don't mislead him :)
 
@tereško I'm thinking there's no issue-free framework out there?
 
9:05 AM
@Leri im using netbeans as an editor
 
@HamZa I don't. He's clearly learning what not to do in future. So it's the best place to start.
 
Or he could always use Lavarel
 
@MoshMage that's part of the point why I said that the choice of framework depends on the requirements
 
@Zorgatone [tag:review-pls]
 
9:07 AM
@CodeSlayer I recommend/use phpstorm.
 
@tereško I came half-way and he was talking about codeigniter, I just paniced. So sorry ;P
 
Bye folks! :)
 
bye @jned29
 
@Zorgatone [ tag:review-pls ] and remove spaces
 
@HamZa Thanks I typed it wrong
kk
 
9:07 AM
@MoshMage that one has extremely limited usecase (as most of php rapid prototyping frameworks)
 
I'll try again xD
 
@Leri that IDE is awesome. I just pity I don't have a legal account.
 
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/25076363/wordpress-plugin-get‌​-forms-post-data-from-custom-menu-subpage
 
@MoshMage I could not afford to upgrade still stuck with 6
 
@Zorgatone Whenever I see a readme in another language I stop reading
 
9:08 AM
@HamZa Sorry about that xD
 
IDEs like that should be bought because developers of it deserve it to continue working on that project full time.
 
btw lvl 35 is over 9000 ...
 
The things is that they should be having some indie plan(s)
 
Some speakers for PHPNW there too @Joe
 
@Zorgatone please stop abusing the tags. They are NOT FOR ADVERTISING YOUR OWN QUESTIONS.
 
9:10 AM
@Fabien I'm coming ... one does not just connect directly to irc ... couple of minutes while I remember how this shit works
 
Oh, they have now. Could not find that before.
 
@Zorgatone I've reviewed and took action accordingly (Edit + DV)
 
@tereško I think it was ok.. I've seen others asking help here. I haven't used it more than once
@Unihedron ty ty
 
bye all, thanks a lot
 
Goodbye!
 
9:12 AM
Why is it getting downvoted? Any suggestion?
 
@JoeWatkins lol. No kidding. I don't really use irc. I use the web interface.
 
Show relevant code and provide an sscce?
 
fappy hriday
 
because question is to broad, and it needs -3 for use to start voting to delete it
 
9:13 AM
@hak is that a dupe?
 
@Zorgatone Fix indentation in your code (use 4 spaces)
 
@Leri it's way better than having it ilegaly xD
 
@Leri Do you mean on github?
 
@Zorgatone hover the mouse over the downvote button, wait for the popup/tooltip to appear, it gives reason.
 
@Zorgatone I mean your code that I saw on github. :-)
 
9:15 AM
codex all the things WP.
 
@hakre I think I've written that no example that I found on the net helped me :'(
 
If you tried gluing something together and it still doesn't work, show it so there's room for troubleshooting.
 
@Zorgatone Stackoverflow is not asking about "where to I find an example that I understand" but more the type of: here is my (concrete) programming question, this is the code I have, here is how I understand it, but at that concrete place, it does different. Why?
 
^^^^^
Also, this isn't a forum, please don't tag sections with "Edit" unless you really want to.
 
I belive I should delete that question and start all over again xD
 
9:20 AM
You can butter-up your question while you're in the chat room.
 
K
thanks
 
Sorry, you're not likely to get wordpress help in here
 
Peaches (not Geldof) in Lingerie might be mildly #nsfw
 
It's not too easy to explain what I really need, when complexity gets higher.. I'm not that good with the language (lol)
 
That's true, I meant he should take some time to improve it.
 
9:22 AM
I just wanted to know if I'm doing good to get helped on stackoverflow in general, I'm newbie
 
mornings
 
247
Q: Stack Overflow question checklist

Jon SkeetMy earlier blog post on how to write a good question is pretty long, and I suspect that even when I refer people to it, often they don't bother reading it. So here's a short list of questions to check after you've written a question (and to think about before you write the question): Have you d...

 
Uhm, I have no more reputation.. I'm going so down that I won't be able to chat here anymore if I get some more downvotes
XD
 
congratulation. :)
 
@Zorgatone being newbie is fine. devide your large problem into a small one. isolate it. take API examples from codex. play. try. but just not ask for a book.
that won't work, you won't get answers.
 
9:24 AM
No problem
 
and IIRC it's called option API or similar what you're looking for. but it's not well made, so you perhaps have more fun using $_POST.
 
I don't know exactly where I should put that code, because of the WordPress model
 
in fire
 
I'd know on to do that on plain PHP written by myself, I am newb with WordPress dev
 
9:29 AM
Wordpress is a 'hack it together until it works then forget about it' model
 
that's it ^^
 
Honestly
 
@Jimbo Yeah -_-.. But I'm asked to use it
 
anyone knows a good tutorial where i can learn to build a table with insert new row, delete, edit and select to appear in a input?
 
@Zorgatone Then hack it and get it working, then forget about it :-)
Use $_POST
 
9:30 AM
@tereško :)
 
@Jimbo I have multiple files, I don't even understand in which one I shall handle a subpage "POST" action without doing it in the others, lol...
I've would've done that already if I knew it XD
 
 
Sorry for my Engrish
xD
 
No that wasn't directed at you lol, I just found it online
 
*I would have done that before lol
Btw I'll just try-hard until I get some code that's working xD... Wordpress-style
$_POST worked, problem solved, lol
 
sigh there's so many "Senior Drupal Developer" positions. So is it a new language already?
 
@AlmaDo Noticed that too
 
@HamZa I saw few of such positions in Amsterdam, but much more in London
 
@Zorgatone the wordpress model is simle: chaos. it's not worth to go into it any deeper. as long as it works, it's good. that's basically wordpress.
if you want to learn programming, it's a bad idea with wordpress btw.
 
9:42 AM
No it's not for learning
It's my job
 
however, if you take it seariously, you can become a professional for maintining outdated codebases and software archaelogy.
 
That's just based on the client requirements, nothing to do with me
 
@Zorgatone ... Yet you are looking for help on your primary job task
 
delegate it to a wordpress developer, take the share and enjoy.
 
@Unihedron Did I say it's my primary? xD
 
9:44 AM
hey
i need help urgent
 
btw it's solved, that was nothing hard at least.. I just need to make simple stuff that I know I can do myself.. I'm a developer in general afterall
 
please
 
@PradeepSaini Did you md5 it first?
 
Really nice. I just found a .txt file somewhere in my documents. This file contains my serial key for Norton Internet Security. Now if I ever get powned, my key could just have been stolen
 
9:44 AM
what is it?
 
@hakre Good point since I love being the middleman.
 
@PradeepSaini We only answer questions in md5. So md5("Your question here");
 
pardon but i still don't get what you mean
 
What's with the YAML hate anyway?
 
@PradeepSaini and where is Mr. Urgent at this moment ?
 
9:46 AM
@PradeepSaini Type your question, surrounded by md5(**question**);
 
@PradeepSaini Sorry I missed it earlier. You urgently need help?
 
Please tell me ASAP what it is!!1!1111
 
How urgent?
 
like now!!
I have attached a json file along with this email. You have to read the json file using php and create an autocomple text field using jquery in frontend. once you select the suggested country, the country code should be filled in the country code text field.
 
9:47 AM
Urgent like we need @Lusitanian's mom urgent?
 
this is what someone sent me
 
@PradeepSaini it means, ask your question and anyone knows the answer they will tell you.
 
@PradeepSaini just post your question already. Note that with that attitude you will get hated and fired
 
@PradeepSaini Sounds like a job for wordpress
 
"You have to read the json file" No I do not
 
9:48 AM
^ That's golden
 
NEXT!
 
I'll go now, thanks everyone
Have a nice day
 
@PradeepSaini lol sounds like a freelancer job?
 
lol,please help otherwise i won't get the job
 
ok sorry. More serious you should try jquery
 
9:48 AM
@Zorgatone I hope fortune smiles on you - and you don't have to use wordpress again :)
 
you do not deserve to get that job
 
it does all the things
@Zorgatone later
 
@PradeepSaini Okay, so make a form in jQuery then md5 it okay
 
@PradeepSaini Again with that attitude "help, it's URGENT" you won't get anything here. Also if you can't do it, then don't. What a waste...
 
@Jimbo thanks
@PeeHaa See ya
 
9:49 AM
btw at what company are you applying for a job?
 
@PeeHaa at peehaa.nl, btw when are you going to start your own?
 
Old news @HamZa
 
@PradeepSaini $('document').ready(function() { var form = '<?=md5(mysql_query($form))?>'; }
 
wuuut peehaa.nl, I get a weird site. It's not taken ....
 
no,i have to use php,jquey and json only
not mysql
 
9:51 AM
Sorry my bad
 
everyone back to work ...
 
@HamZa
 
$('document').ready(function() { var form = '<?=md5(json_encode($form))?>'; }
 
@JoeWatkins ehehe. sure
 
@PradeepSaini Have you tried the jquery json module?
 
9:51 AM
I'll try manjaro (linux). Let's see if it's any good
I want to get that job! It seems so easy!
 
the interviewer has said me to mail the code within 1 hour..i know jquery and php but no json
 
@PradeepSaini What company is it?
 
lol why bro?
 
So I know what code they expect
 
@PradeepSaini JSON is just a data format of keys and values. So json_encode() on the server (PHP) to return it to your javascript
 
9:53 AM
Also I doubt we are brothers
 
And $.parseJSON(data); on the client-side with jQuery
 
@PeeHaa who knows ... :)
 
@JoeWatkins but... it's a national holiday :(
 
What?! A holiday?
 
@Jack Well my parents always have been pretty vague on the subject.... :P
 
9:54 AM
hehe
 
hehehe
 
0
Q: How can I send YAML over AJAX?

Jimbo Please focus on the technical aspect of this question, and not on the why. The why is obvious: YAML is the most human-readable data serialization format available to man. And therefore, the best. How can I send YAML via an XMLHttpRequest from the client to the server, without first convertin...

 
please can u write me full working code@jimbo
 
@PradeepSaini Do you have £100?
 
@PradeepSaini Yes we can. First tell us the company that is asking this of you?
 
9:55 AM
@Jimbo wait, you helped close that question? or is that a different Jimbo? :)
 
inb4 @PeeHaa might go to India and start his real career
 
These people are more experience than you @PradeepSaini, you should probably consider that they care about the company you're going to when they otherwise would be staring at more interesting stuff.
 
@Jimbo Cheap for doing that awful thing. -_-
 
@Jack I did :P
 
lol
 
9:56 AM
@PradeepSaini I charge 10262.51 Indian Rupees for that job. Herro. Then I'll outsource it to India for 100 rupees.
 
lol
bye man i would better learn myself
 
@Jimbo "Sir"
 
Good luck.
 
@PradeepSaini that's the spirit! Go learn!
 
Or outsource it to one of the persons in your country
 
9:57 AM
I'd only outsource it to india because that's where it originally came from xD
 
@PeeHaa that reminds me of this fella who outsourced all his work to a Chinese firm while he was watching cat videos on facebook .. code reviews were impeccable, clean and on time .. lol
 
@Jack Yeah, they discovered it after the firm thought that some hackers had access to their network and hired a security firm to investigate this
 
yes!
he had mailed his vpn token to China haha
 
He could as well start his own outsourcing company I guess
 
10:02 AM
I think he'd be the guy for sure. So much experience doing it covert, might as well do it overt.
 
@Patrick Friday isn't a national holiday
 
The Swiss National Day (German: Schweizer Bundesfeier; French: Fête nationale Suisse; Italian: Festa nazionale svizzera; Romansh: Fiasta naziunala Svizra) is the national holiday of Switzerland, set on 1 August. It is an official national holiday since 1994, although the day had been suggested for the celebration of the foundation of the Swiss Confederacy as early as 1889. == History == The date is inspired by the date of the Federal Charter of 1291, placed in "early August", when "three Alpine cantons swore the oath of confederation, an action which later came to be regarded as the foundation...
 
@Jack :D
 
Guys, I need clarifying: is HHVM the next installment of PHP [as in, PHP on steroids] or is HHVM the Hack thingy FB made? I'm asking because I'm reading the php-langspec that was shared by HHVM Blog
 
@MoshMage hhvm is another php engine / vm
hack is another language
kinda an extension to the php language
both are from facebook
 
10:08 AM
And will this new lang-specs get into PHP"7" or will they be implemented in the HHVM php engine?
 
@PeeHaa what's the story of php6? i've been hearing about it, unicode, since like 4-5 years but never saw a stable php6 release.. what's up with that?
 
(because I'm liking what I'm reading)
 
206 Partial Content for a HTML5 video. Running nginx.
I can view the video directly fine.
 
@Prasanth PHP6 (the old never released unicode catastrophe one) died
 
ohk i'll dig the google for more
 
10:11 AM
Oh and another thing: If i wanted to make a porn site (for simplicity instead of explaining my idea xD) what would I use to stream them vids? [I'm thinking on making something like that, only not for porn, but porn sites are a good example xD]
 
Why is porn a good example?
What's wrong with game streams or regular video?
 
Well, it focus mainly on streaming vids; True. I could use twitch as an example, or youtube.
 
Fabien: maybe he meant it has the best traffic :P
 
@Prasanth The next version of php will be 7 instead because fuck you that's why
 
@Prasanth but mostly this, yeah x)
 
10:12 AM
I know I said no further comment, but I’m definitely gonna keep posting funny shit I see about this. Article 1. http://t.co/cznAZLKiSd
 
#php ... http://t.co/UVRnrDiGzB
 
@MoshMage videojs.com something like that I would say
 
@Prasanth yep :)
 
@MoshMage wut ?
you are all over the place, slow down ...
 
10:13 AM
@MoshMage no. It (should) define(s) / formalize the current state of php
 
so will php7 change the names of functions and all that too?
 
@Prasanth no
 
argument craze
 
@JoeWatkins lol. I'm brewing an idea and really want to get the kinks right before I start any work x)
 
@Prasanth No chance
 
10:14 AM
peehaa what makes you stick to php? i've seen lots of php guys migrate to other langs
 
php7 will interject all function names with real ... array_real_search(), etc.
 
@Jack +1
 
@Prasanth It does an awesome job for what I need it to do
 
@PeeHaa so, I should start coding like that langspec, it's what that doc is intended to?
 
next person to say "parameter order" gets a punch in the back of the head ...
 
10:15 AM
parameter order
 
what parameter order?
 
hi @bwoebi :D
 
Oh wait! No
 
@JoeWatkins happy in your new home? :-)
 
@JoeWatkins isn't the paremeter order a special thing? like, really awesome?!
 
10:16 AM
@MoshMage No for coding in php you should use the manual
 
@bwoebi so much happy :D
 
If you want to write another php engine however it will be useful
 
I have reservations about facebook leading that particular charge ...
 
@JoeWatkins I prefer punches through the head, more effective.
 
@JoeWatkins so, what do you do now?
 
10:17 AM
it would be better if those people doing that were neutral, or neutral-ish
@bwoebi couple of mad days at work to feel like I'm earning my keep (just had 10 days off more or less for move) ... then back to coding everything I'm told about :D
 
yeah, ill start right on that *not.*
But (think) I got it now, that's like ... how the (hhvm) engine will "compile/parse" (can't think of proper words) the code we write
 
@JoeWatkins as long as they're giving us slowly the full control, no problem.
 
at least it will get done, but, three years down the line, when the spec is up to date and all creases ironed out, the people maintaining the spec then take on a different role, or could anyway ... they could then be the body of individuals you appeal to in order to get new language features into the language
 
surely those people get an equal vote in language changing rfc's right?
 
@JoeWatkins Well yes agreed. However the PHP people will never do it so I am a bit torn
 
10:21 AM
I think the RFC process should be maintained.
 
making zend maintainers job a bit different, and hhvms, we no longer decide if the language should get a feature, we decide the best way to implement what the specification says is a language feature
 
heh video is getting 200 OK response but is flagged red in Network panel. Que?
 
but it doesn't really work, we should have an rfc process, it doesn't make sense to ask everyone about some things, take for example, "finally", this should not have been in the hands of everyone, had it been in the hands of a body of individuals charged with maintaining a specification it would not have been allowed to pass
 
why not?
 
an rfc should be presented if for example you wish to improve some part of the implementation, but deciding what the language should be should be left to those people who understand well enough what a language should be that they can and do define it
 
10:25 AM
Glad to see you back, @Joe
 
@JoeWatkins you said, like, 'should be' four times heh
 
twice in a row too ... I was deliberately trying to make it confusing if you're not paying attention ... an inline test, if you like :D
 
heh
though i think that group can easily dismiss a language feature if it doesn't make sense .. but voting it in should still rest within the current group of rfc voters ...
 
@Leri agreed :D
 
or rather, they would be one of the first to point out language change implications that some others didn't think about ...
 
10:28 AM
@Jack if it doesn't make sense, why would you want it voted in ?
 
Anyone have any idea why my video might get a 200 OK but is highlighted red in Chrome?
 
hmm that's not i meant
 
other languages progress in this way ...
 
@Fabien because it is a stream?
 
Yeah
HTML5
So it's doing what it should?
 
10:29 AM
it's down to us in the open to implement what is a language feature, but when it comes to deciding what is a language feature, that's in the hands of people who really understand it, not just those who could probably have a bash at implementing the idea, but those who are looking past the end of their face at the future of the spec they are working hard to maintain ... this makes more sense than asking everyone in the crowd the answer to really really important questions ...
 
@Fabien Dunno. I think I have seen it before at some point
 
@JoeWatkins well, i believe in "things will iron themselves out" :)
 
Other videos are fine.
 
odd
What's the link to the video?
 
@Jack the universe and everything in it, is indifferent to your presence, and filled with chaos ...
they will not ...
 
10:31 AM
@JoeWatkins well, i'm not disagreeing with you per se ... it's just ... well, maybe you should bring it up and see how the list responds :)
 
I see your point ...
 
afk
 
@NikiC what's the price to pay if we'd need that?
 
Best formatting for this if block?
 
@Jimbo isset allows multiple args
 
10:33 AM
@PeeHaa NOICE
 
:)
 
@PeeHaa and this is basically an || right?
 
since someone pinged @NikiC, I can too ... fucking awesome shit with the ast branch ... one thousand internet points for you :D
didn't read it yet ... I will tho ... super cool stuff ...
 
@Jimbo correct
if (!isset($foo, $bar, $baz)) echo 'one of the vars is not set';
 
@Jimbo no an &&.
 
10:36 AM
wat?
 
@PeeHaa gTalked it to you
 
ow rite
 
@PeeHaa yeah, when you apply a NOT there, it's just de Morgans laws…
 
yeah I suck :-)
 
and it's not one of the vars, but at least one of the vars.
 
10:38 AM
meh @Jimbo got the gist I think
 
hehe
 
Writing docs is painful...
 
@Leri have a smaller public API.
 
@Fabien If you are happy and you know it 404
 
Sorry. remove the _converted
 
10:41 AM
Gah, anyone who uses underscores for variables names in PHP can gtfo
 
@bwoebi How? :-)
 
@Jimbo I like to mix my case up for extra ugliness :p
 
@Leri I don't know your code. Figure it out yourself ;-)
 
actually, for that you would need to use all-upper-case
 
Strange @Fabien. Strange indeed
 
10:43 AM
Also annoying :p
    location ~* \.(mp4|webm|ogv)$ {
            client_max_body_size 20m;
            keepalive_timeout 100m;
            max_ranges 0;
    }
Also using that
 
@Jimbo $fOo_baR … that way?
 
Eurgh
function calls aren't case sensitive though :-)
 
@bwoebi I doubt that's doable. However, for the next time I'll document as I write.
 
@Leri well, the latter is even more work. And what codebase are you working on?
 
10:48 AM
@bwoebi Payment integration plugin. Releasing today and docs are missing.
 
@Leri do you really need docs there?
 
@bwoebi No, but it was in remarks. :-)
 
hmm?
 
FTR @PeeHaa No errors in nginx logs. Access logs logs load fine
 
10:51 AM
Yeah really strange. What I had (I remember now) was that chrome canceled the first request, but that's not the case for you
 
Looks a little like it for me. When I load the url I get 2 calls in network tab. First is red 200. Second is fine.
 
@PeeHaa have you figured out what you are doing with flights yet?
The misses may or may not want the car on that day and is difficult to pin down on an actual answer
 
@DaveRandom It's on my to do list for tomorrow once I wake up
 
@Fabien link?
@PeeHaa Not good enough. I demand you do it while you are still asleep.
 
yay, first time I did 3 downvotes on one question ..
 
10:55 AM
gTalk'ed @DaveRandom
 
@DaveRandom :)
 
Single request on FF but it's webm extension on FF
 
Additional info gTalked for potential relevance.
Can also see that a vide in the network call above has no issue loading
 
@salathe we definitely need a vote on moving docs to git.
You need to draft some RFC for that.
 

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