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5:00 PM
@Gordon good morning ....:)
 
@Gordon Monring
 
Evening :)
@Gordon what do you think of my proposal at meta (Read up a bit)
 
grr .... my figures just typed morning instead evening ...
 
@MadaraUchiha Nice. Upvoted
8 messages moved to bin
 
1 message moved to bin
:P
 
It's ok @Gordon ;)
 
hmm.. as for the question, I'd say go the .net way :|
 
@donotusetabtodigitthisnick good bye moron
 
5:08 PM
ahahaha
;)
who's the boss of stack? i mean who has power to delete users and so on?
 
@donotusetabtodigitthisnick come on .... it aint funny
 
@NullPointer wouldn't be funy i mean state of acts for me :)
 
@donotusetabtodigitthisnick Moderators do.
 
@donotusetabtodigitthisnick You see that guy that just had to enter our room?
 
Would you like me to call one?
 
5:10 PM
@MadaraUchiha Moderator1 has same priviledges of Moderator2 ?
 
@donotusetabtodigitthisnick, just sayin', but you've been flagged all across the place and you're very probably looking at a ban if you don't tone down.
 
@donotusetabtodigitthisnick "who has power to delete users and so on?" Me.
 
@donotusetabtodigitthisnick Yes.
 
I'm here precisely to tell you to stop it.
thank you.
 
Thanks @BoltClock, appreciate it
 
5:11 PM
funny I waited patiently till I could get atleast 20 rep to get here...
 
@MadaraUchiha I bet you wished your Anime.SE mod powers could be used in SO chat...
 
@Mysticial Hell yeah
(wait, what are you doing here? :o)
 
> This user has been automatically suspended for posting inappropriate content and cannot chat for 1 day.
Since when did these increase from 30 min. each?
@MadaraUchiha I saw the flags.
 
@Mysticial A moderator can choose, I believe
 
Then it would say "This user has been suspended by a moderator for XX..."
 
5:13 PM
@Mysticial 30 mins are community based
 
@Mysticial It did for a couple of minutes... then I deleted his last flagged message
;)
 
:P
 
I'm not sure if chat suspension periods are cumulative. Either way, I'm helping him not waste his time. You can accomplish a lot in a day! For example, by making a fool of yourself
 
lol
 
5:15 PM
> This question is now closed - please refresh the page for updated status.
AAAARRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHH
 
You're too slow ;)
 
@BoltClock fail
 
So...
Any of you going to nominate for president moderator?
 
They finally made main better when tweaking the templates
 
Election starts tomorrow
 
5:18 PM
Neh I like yelling at the mods too much for that ;)
 
@MadaraUchiha oh. election again?
not good. I havent made up my mind whether I would make for a good mod so I cannot decide whether I will run
 
@Gordon I think you will be a great mod
5
 
@Gordon You would make a good mod :)
 
@Gordon All you have to do is hit delete about 50 times a day
 
lol
The secret is out
 
5:20 PM
@BoltClock AWESOME!!! I can totally do that!!! And would enjoy it
@BoltClock can i close all questions in the PHP tag as they come in? I would like that, too
@PeeHaa @NikiC thanks :)
 
@Gordon at least you have +1 by me
 
You also get to [things moderators do that I will not disclose for suspense]
And [things moderators do that 10k/20k users already do]
 
My main concern is that my current mode of moderation with the gang here is closevoting a lot and then deleting. I am not sure if that is compatible with what mods should do, given that they should do as little as possible
 
There was a meta post once about disabling the one vote to close / del for mods I think
 
@PeeHaa I remember that
I lol'd hard that day.
 
5:24 PM
for instance, when I see a question that I would closevote, should I instaclose it or just vote like if I wasnt a mod?
 
Then again. There is some real crap out there that may should just be nuked
 
@Gordon What I like to do on my site, if it's a question that needs closing, but I don't want to force my opinion on others, I wait until there's 4 close votes.
(Unless of course, it's a very obvious one)
That way your super-vote is nullified.
 
@Gordon Yeah you can't just blindly delete stuff. You need to make sure you're not accidentally deleting stuff that suits the site just fine
 
@MadaraUchiha yeah, that sounds reasonable.
 
Flags are also tag-agnostic - no way to filter by stuff you know or stuff you don't know
 
5:26 PM
My Mode of Moderation:
 
That works too
 
We need a C++ mod.
Our last attempt failed.
 
@Mysticial Flexo/awoodland right?
 
@BoltClock yeah
 
@BoltClock can mods still merge stuff? Because I am sure we have some ideas for merging
 
5:28 PM
@Gordon What stuff?
 
@Mysticial Don't you people have anyone in "the system"?
 
@PeeHaa nope - zero
 
@BoltClock questions and answers
 
@Mysticial That is kinda crapish
 
@PeeHaa None of us mods are esteemed users. We have two and one though
 
5:29 PM
But quite frankly, I don't think any of the C++ guys seem to be interested. Not to mention that our chatroom has a pretty bad reputation for being jerks. :P
 
:-)
 
And no, I'm not interested. I'm having trouble finding time to put food in my mouth. Let alone dive into the mod queue...
 
@Gordon Yeah but... we hardly ever use the tool
 
@BoltClock I know. And that's a pity given the many dupes in the PHP tag. I've suggested a few mergings but most of the time they are just marked helpful and thats it
 
@Mysticial Good thing you have a self-sustaining source (or multiple sources) of rep going on
So that's taken care of
 
5:32 PM
lol
I've posted 3 answers since the new year...
Not enough time. Not enough interesting questions.
 
@Mysticial Especially the last part
 
@Mysticial but 954 vote on 2 answer are really amazing
 
Granted, I've been more active on Anime.SE...
 
@PeeHaa @Mysticial I did manage to delete that career counseling one
 
@NullPointer Home-field advantage will easily do that...
@BoltClock What career counseling question?
 
5:35 PM
28 mins ago, by Madara Uchiha
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15054129/ios-or-dot-net-choosing-the-carreer-path
 
ah
 
I'm actually wondering: How many major cases of home-field advantage have there been on SO and SE? The biggest one I can think of is the John Carmack answer on SU.
 
96 questions to go
..
 
5
Q: Should [tag:fatal] be removed from Stack Overflow?

George W BushThere are 109 qualifying posts on Stack Overflow. fatal is a general term. I think it should be deleted. Strangely enough, some users seem to use it as a synonym for error, although most use it in addition to error. Inspired by the burnination of illegal here: I think [tag:illegal] is...

 
5:38 PM
Consider them gone/retagged
Ah that reminds I have a retag request myself on meta. Looks like I've got some work to do
 
I find it hard to believe that after my first 2x 50,000 reputation I've gone ahead and accumulated another 50,000
I should have screencapped the moment my reputation equaled my user ID
 
@BoltClock answer's accumalate interest ;)
 
@MadaraUchiha Good luck
 
922184....................
 
5:41 PM
 
Everyone starts with a user ID equal to Jeff's
 
That moment you are retagging questions and find other crap tags. You wonder how deep the rabbit hole goes :(
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I love this auto-resize thing
 
@PeeHaa Exactly
 
@PeeHaa It's called a fractal
 
@PeeHaa and horrendous one
 
mornin
@PeeHaa Happy Sunday
 
Damn I was soooo hoping she had a new hit about unsday :(
 
lol
do you know which day Sunday comes after though?
I need her to explain it!
 
that's because generally that's what a error is caused by ;)
 
> Answered 505 non-wiki questions with a total score of 2369.
My mediocre stats
I haven't answered a PHP question all year
 
Anonymous
6:12 PM
@BoltClock What are you ?
 
Hi All
 
hola Baba
 
@PeeHaa ... how are you doing ?
 
Good! How are you doing today?
 
6:45 PM
@PeeHaa Not bad ... have a busy week ahead
 
7:11 PM
@Baba It beats having a week going slow as hell
 
@PeeHaa have you updated your PHP ?
 
@Baba Updated how / to what?
 
@PeeHaa PHP 5.4.12 ....
feel lazy to go through testing ....
 
Nopez. Let others be crash test dummies :)
 
7:29 PM
@PeeHaa lol I guess as much
lol
 
@Baba Do you have a second for me in about 5 minutes to test something?
 
user652649
eveningz
 
Evening @wes
@Baba Can you join me in my test chamber?
 
@PeeHaa Sure why not
@PeeHaa can you see null
Thats not a real name
 
user652649
bla
 
7:41 PM
Nopez not yet, I need to find out what's the cause of this freaking slowness
 
it would automatically add the user to the chat
 
Right. I need to add some more validation over there
 
loaded it like 10 places :)
 
user652649
@PeeHaa it has totally ignored a message that i sent
 
I know. I'm investigating
 
user652649
7:44 PM
still doesn't appear :P
 
user652649
who made the comic of peehaa's company?
 
On the server side I see it should be just fine, because I can see new events coming in real time
@wes @webarto
 
user652649
lol
 
I might need @DaveRandom eye on this one... Looks like either the socket are the clients are the bottleneck
@Baba You attempts are futile ;-) I'm inserting textNodes :P
 
user652649
my message is arrived!
 
7:48 PM
@PeeHaa really
@PeeHaa you asked me to test ... i just doing what you asked
 
user652649
@PeeHaa the scrollbar doesn't work!
 
@wes Nopez. It doesn't :P Is a placeholder. I first want to find out what is making it slow as hell
 
@PeeHaa it happen here to
 
@PeeHaa how doez one set name from null
 
user652649
just use the browser's scrollbar, it is not that bad
 
7:51 PM
@Lusitanian One does not simply...
 
I did not use jQuery :P
 
I knowz.
 
:D
 
but you should have
it is great and does all things
 
user652649
7:56 PM
@PeeHaa if you need some help i will be glad to
 
user652649
@Lusitanian very badly
 
user652649
no, ok... problem is its syntax
 
user652649
totally pointless
 
lol
 
user652649
7:58 PM
it is not even a syntax
 
user652649
just a total worthless mess
 
bingo
although they supposedly cleaned up the mess part for v2
by removing all of the IE related kludges
but i haven't looked at it yet
@PeeHaa that's really intellectually stimulating conversation in thur
 
:P
 
user652649
@Lusitanian it is, and i need more synonyms of "mess" because i don't know enough to describe jquery
 
8:41 PM
posted on February 24, 2013 by Ulf Wendel

PECL/mysqlnd_ms is a client-side load balancer for PHP that supports any MySQL cluster. It does read-write splitting, failover, introduces a quality of service concept, supports partitioning and, of course, load balancing. New mysqli API (begin, *savepoint) calls in PHP 5.5.0 help to improve transaction awareness. New read only in MySQL 5.6 promise major performance gains (think 2x) and an opt

 
@Feeds Great now I'm going to use MySQL again!
 
@PeeHaa lul
 
@Lusitanian translate "lul" in dutch to English
:P
 
heh
 
8:51 PM
lul
 
:D
 
2
A: Is this the safest way to handle a form PHP

markusWhat you have there is just a form. It's neither secure nor insecure. What defines whether or not a form is secure is how you transmit the data to the server and how you handle the input on the server side. A secure login form... posts its content to the server via HTTPS (SSL) does proper vali...

^^ I don't think the author has a very clear idea of what XSS can be used for.
 
lol
also I wasn't aware that you need Apache to handle a form securely
downvoted for that
 
over-over-overkill @markus
:D
 
The mitigation reasons he cited are also dubious ... it doesn't seem like a popular framework is being used.
> Small, private sites are very very unlikely to be a target of such an attack
Like ... wud?
 
8:56 PM
that's such BS
seriously...wat.
 
Quick beginner question. While this code uses jQuery to send the POST data, it wont reload the page, right? stackoverflow.com/questions/2097816/…
 
Evening
 
Multiple dupes.
 
@DaveRandom Jo Nigger
 
9:01 PM
Oh no he di'nt
 
@PeeHaa what does that mean in dutch? ;)
 
:P
 
@PeeHaa ?
 
My crappy chat demo for the websockets are slow as hell for some reason
I see the events coming in really fast on the serverside
 
Not loading at all for me, just stuck with a nice looking loading animation
 
9:04 PM
1 sec let me start teh server again
reload ht ething
 
@PeeHaa Yeh my second message hasn't even appeared yet
 
@PeeHaa Link?
 
Now I just got it
 
@MadaraUchiha of?
 
9:08 PM
@PeeHaa Your chat server/example
 
@PeeHaa I'll get a local instance running and see if I can work out what's going on, a take it you have pushed to GH?
 
@DaveRandom yep
 
@MadaraUchiha done :)
 
@Jack Thanks
 
@PeeHaa @MadaraUchiha Those two messages of mine took a good minute to show up
 
9:10 PM
Seems like every message it take longer and longer
 
It must be some crap somewhere. The example demo is written in the worst way possible
 
The first message was great, second less, and now it takes forever
 
But when starting a new socket (refreshing the window) it is damn fast again
 
@DaveRandom So markus updated his previous answer .. did you see it? :)
 
Looks like either the clientside or the socket can't handle it for some reason
I think I blame the socket code but that's really wild guessing
 
9:12 PM
@Jack I just cherry-picked that statement out myself
 
For future reference? lol
 
I just hate that according to him, Apache is needed to handle forms securely...like wat
 
Well I was going to quote it here and ridicule it but I see you have already done it
 
:P
 
@Lusitanian Well, to his defense he said hardened apache/php
 
9:13 PM
suppose that could imply or
idk, either way the rest of the answer was off enough to warrant the dv
 
In the meantime I've updated my answer as well. Though, it's still hard to answer such a question.
 
Also I was thinking @DaveRandom to let the server fire another event, but I need your: "Yes that is useful" / "No your are an idiot" on that
 
@PeeHaa Being what? I mean I purposefully designed it so that adding an event is just a case of adding a single line, there are some events in there that are of questionable usefulness anyway
 
I was thinking about something like a heartbeat / ticker thing which gets triggered at intervals
 
> *(on XSS) * ... The vulnerability is client side so it can't be exploited directly
Forgot about that one.
 
9:16 PM
Hola
 
@PeeHaa Ahh right, yes I was considering adding some kind of setTimeout()/setInterval() functionality myself
 
@DaveRandom I like it when we think alike :)
 
Stuff like that is pretty much mandatory in an async service like that, there's a pretty good chance you will want initiate stuff like that rather than relying on client interaction to allow you to do things
 
@DaveRandom Exactly. I got hit by hit because I wanted to check which users should be site to idle instead of online. But it is not hard to think of other things that need to be done without a client initieting it
 
> The other point that comes up is the difficulty in reaching a large portion of the community. They don't come to conferences, they don't sit on this list, they don't go to user groups. They work with PHP for months or years, but the rest of the "community" doesn't even know who they are. […] So my suggestion is simple, let's ask them: What they want, What they need […] / Source: news.php.net/php.internals/66073
 
9:20 PM
^ I agree with that mail
 
@PeeHaa I'm thinking Server::at() (absolute time) Server::in() (setTimout() like) and Server::every() (setInterval() like)
 
@PeeHaa how do you ask people you dont know? I mean, I'm all for asking people but I doubt you'll reach the described audience
 
@Gordon Everyone visits the manual regularly
 
@Gordon The things is for example internals is not somebody people will often go to (which is a big problem of internals. i.e. the people at large how are actually going to use it don't come in there)
I was thinking about something which can easily be accessed by people without having to worry about the stream of crap that is called internals
 
@DaveRandom I cannot believe you believe people read the Manual after your 2+ years on SO ;)
 
9:22 PM
@Gordon Neither does internals in a way
@DaveRandom I like that
 
@PeeHaa true. its probably worth a shot but people shouldnt be disappointed if nothing comes from it. also, asking people is one thing. one has to take into account that they could actually answer. and the answers might not be what people expect or like
so if they ask, they should be prepared to listen
 
Even with 10+ years experience in php, I still see myself referencing the manual lol
Zend Studio IDE helps though, I must say :)
 
@Jack thats because it takes 2 years to discover there IS a manual. Another 2 years to learn how to use it. And another 2 years to appreciate it. After that it becomes habitual :)
 
But yeah, I've got a bad feeling that the survey will not yield the expected results =/ it's not easy.
 
I agree it can also just not work. As a matter of fact I have been thinking about this when I read that mail. On one hand I think it will be great to let "ordinary" people in on the process of where to get with the language, but on the other hand I'm kinda afraid people who don't know what they are talking about (there are a lot of those) will bring not so nice things to the table
 
9:29 PM
@Gordon The people that don't are not the people who's opinions you want... :-P
 
There's an another inherent problem with asking pple what they want and distilling what they need.
 
@Jack Distilling what they need is imho better than telling them what they need
Often
 
@PeeHaa But that's exactly the hard part
Because people don't tend to have an objective idea of what they need.
It's like the faster horse example ;-)
 
I'd just be interested in seeing how many users actually know what PHP is
 
@Jack you mean, the reason for all the horse meat in our food recently?
 
9:31 PM
@Gordon That can only be a good thing :) horse == good!
 
@Jack so it's henry ford's grandchildren behind this. I see :)
 
@Gordon That could be it heh
 
Nope, doesn't work in this window. Odd
 
@DaveRandom Yeah. Chat sucks for that purpose
 
9:37 PM
0
Q: everyone says that w3schools

user1968541Every one suggests never to use W3Schools because their tutorials are misleading full of bad content... Could someone post me examples on where this is the case? because I don't see any faults.

o.0
 
Under a minute
Good going boys
 
:)
@DaveRandom btw how do you run the websocketserver. I tried to open a screen to run in it but once I started the server I couldn't break out of the screen.
PHP CLI doesn't have a real silent mode does it? Besides -q
 
@PeeHaa I've only been running on Windows, where you can use php-win.exe if you want. You could just detach the process from the shell with > /dev/null 2>&1 & on *nix. If you're doing it with ssh you might have to nohup it is well or it will be killed when the ssh session ends (depends how the server is set up)
 
Lemme test the thing
Nopez. Doesn't work :(
 
1 sec
 
9:47 PM
sure
 
> Ucought SyntaxError: Unexpected Token
lol
 
user652649
cough cough
 
when copy/pasta doesn't even work as expected =o(
OP needs to open a separate question for that.
 
@PeeHaa try pastebin.com/4K38bekf (untested, stop will only work if you have the POSIX extn, obviously would need some error handling in the real world)
 

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