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8:00 AM
mornings
i think i poured water on yesterday's tea leaves
.. it looks suspicious
 
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@DanielsPitkevičs see php.net/readfile and php.net/fpassthru
 
posted on January 10, 2013 by Michael Kimsal

I shared a small rant at a local web meetup the other day, and thought I’d recap it here.  It was triggered by sitting in on an interview with a local developer for an idea-stage startup I’m counseling. The startup in question has had some false starts on an MVP before, once in ASP.NET, and once in PHP (or maybe twice).  What’s come out of this was an understanding that the particular tech cho

 
Good morning, good people.
@tereško Real men drink coffee :P
 
lets see ... coffee is acidic, makes your teeth yellowish, cancerogenic and the caffeine content is relatively low
 
@tereško Needless to say I drink coffee with milk and I have boobs :)
 
8:11 AM
i think we have different definitions for "boobs"
 
I cut teh box with chainsaw :D
 
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@tereško i agree, i drink coffee and i think it is evil... sadly i'm addicted
 
morning
 
@NullPointer morning :)
 
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i think coffee is more hazardous to health than smoking
 
8:15 AM
@webarto there are soo cute...
 
> we use tabs (for code indentation), because it makes the code faster to execute
 
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faster to load maybe xD
 
@NullPointer I found them in a cardboard box, and I made them wooden box, and they are not out on cold (below freezing point) ... I think I like dogs more than people :P
 
@webarto ohh ..lol.. but its very nice of you ...
 
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@tereško btw... if html, tabs instead of spaces are faster to load
 
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8:21 AM
in the case of php i don't really know how compiler works...
 
@wes It depends on how you install your HTML.
 
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maybe php does compile the file only the first time
 
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@webarto lolz
 
which ide is better than netbean ? gonna download now ..
 
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@NullPointer i like eclipse for php...
 
8:23 AM
@wes yup that is cool to... i have tried ..
 
Damn you, mod_deflate.
 
@wes No, not by default. You can use opcode cache (APC, XCache), which renders this "optimizations" (removing whitespace, etc) useless...
 
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then tabs are faster to load than spaces, by default xD
 
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tab = 1 byte, spaces 4 bytes
 
@wes That is nonsense :)
 
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8:25 AM
why
 
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if you indent your code with spaces, you will use 4-8 bytes to get the size of a single tab... that is 1 byte only
 
@wes Tab is of variable size, it can be shown as one space, one space can be also shown as four. It's just presentation, you can't use one space for indentation because you normally separate words with one space.
 
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in which world? on linux maybe?
 
@wes In this, and every parallel.
 
Morning
 
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8:29 AM
@webarto are you yet drunk? lolol
 
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sure i can use one single space to indent, but i will probably use four-eight spaces to indent code
 
@wes I don't always know what I'm talking about, but I know I'm right.
 
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lol
 
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@NullPointer installing php modules on eclipse is a pain because PDT isn't available anymore... did you do that?
 
@wes I use two spaces at the moment, do you think code will be faster if I save 100 bytes (or even 1000)?
 
8:32 AM
@wes i tryed before some time .. than switch to neatbean and stick with it ..
now i am thing to try any other ide ...
 
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@webarto not significantly of course... but in theory you are using about twice of bytes for indentation
 
okk now downloading netbean 7.3 its with html5 support
 
Could someone tell me why this code puts nothing in $id ?
The SQL query returns 1 row with 2 coulumns, 2 and 2013
http://pastebin.com/p9SXXRMU
 
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@NullPointer php for eclipse has some bugs... code completition doesn't work sometimes...
 
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writing html in eclipse is painful if you don't customize it... because it will randomly close tags and attributes, even when you don't need that
 
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8:35 AM
@NullPointer do netbeans understand @return ClassName ?
 
@wes ya its sucks as php designer ...
@wes ya
 
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last time ive checked @return wasn't working on netbeans... i will try again
 
@wes In practice, all of that doesn't matter if you use 10 "awesome jQuery plugins" etc.
 
@wes my net downloading speed sucks ...
 
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@webarto of course lol.. thats why i have my own framework
 
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8:38 AM
asd
 
@wes 100mb takes 20 minutes ... this is ridiculous
 
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@NullPointer what?
 
@wes downloading
 
does anyone know how to make a circular slideshow like that in wordpress
 
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@yoosuf ask in javascript or jquery room
 
8:46 AM
ok thnx
 
REAL PROGRAMMERS don't indent their code. They write their entire source code in ed in one go and just remember which nesting level they are at.
 
anybody magento familiar here?
 
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@NiekBergman real programmers will be brain-old at the age of 30
 
$result = mysql_query("SELECT ar_id FROM uir_ar");
$year = 0;
while($row = mysql_fetch_array($result))
{
$year = 2;
}
Why does $year = 2; never run? The query returns result of 2 rows
 
8:54 AM
Do you think it's better when this bar is full width or within page (content) width?
 
@webarto red bar is not looking good...
 
Damn, another new thing to learn ;)
 
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@webarto i prefer fullwidth... and i like red
 
@NullPointer I know, it's crap. This Noty plugin, IMHO, shit... Styling with JS, wtf. I took me an hour to "extract" into separate CSS file.
@wes Cool, on Stackoverflow, it's also fullwidth.
Red, like super important :)
 
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i like red because i hate blue-sites!
 
9:00 AM
Resolving www.mazda.ca... 50.56.8.89
Connecting to www.mazda.ca|50.56.8.89|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: 2300719 (2.2M) [application/pdf]
Saving to: `Mazda3Maintenance.pdf'

100%[============================================================================================================>] 2,300,719   78.0K/s   in 33s

2013-01-09 23:11:16 (69.1 KB/s) - `Mazda3Maintenance.pdf' saved [2300719/2300719]
Downloading file, hardcore version.
 
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i like mazdas, in fact i have one! xD
 
You like them because you have one :P
 
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i have a mazda because i like the renesis engine xD
 
RX8?
 
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yup, not the last one... the one before the last restyle
 
9:05 AM
It's definitely not for daily driving. It spends lot of fuel and repairs are costy and often.
Fun factor, on the other hand...
 
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sadly i know but i don't have to drive it for daily driving, because i live and work in the same area
 
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but it is how you drive it... because driving it "softcore", fuel consumption is not that high
 
Car is a luxury these days...
 
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and it is comfortable, to be a coupe
 
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before the rx8 i had another mazda... 323f... another fantastic car... 4 full seats and a real coupè look...
 
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9:10 AM
what car do you have webarto?
 
Mazda 3 2.0 150hp with LPG.
I was looking to trade it for CX7, but 2.3 Mazdaspeed can't be equipped with LPG, it's spends 20L of fuel in city.
 
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I like it... i don't understand why people buy german shit... just because theyre german
 
Morning yall
 
@wes Stiff, low power, low equipment cars, expensive, not technically advanced, but mostly reliable... except luxury ones...
 
Especially reliable
 
9:14 AM
@PeeHaa Morning oranje man :)
 
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yes but you can get the same from a seat or a skoda... that are the same cars
 
:)
@wes nopez. A skoda is not the same as a bmw (at least not in my price range ;) )
 
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morning @PeeHaa
 
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4am! I tried to sleep but sat in bed thinking about parsing optimizations. Now that all my wildest parsing dreams have come true, I'll leave you Europeans to your work. Looks like a noon wakeup call for me!
 
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skoda == vw
 
9:15 AM
@rdlowrey Nite :)
 
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If I don't have at least 100 cv-pls notifications when I wake up I'll be very disappointed.
 
@rdlowrey :D Real men goto sleep at 7AM :P Night!
 
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bmw aren't that good.. i had a commercial series 3 diesel... engine was rubbish
 
@wes Mine always had done it's job pretty good :(
 
1st world problems...
 
9:17 AM
:P
 
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lol
 
I just had most brilliant idea... Buy RX8 LOL...
Guy wants to just get rid of it...
 
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webarto btw you should buy stock LGP cars, because fuel consumption is a lot lower
 
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rx8 :drool:
 
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mine is white, as a japanese sports car should always be! xD
 
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9:19 AM
looks like a taxi
 
@wes No worries, it's BRC (Italian) :P
 
hai all
i have an issue
 
@wes On related note (not with PHP), mazda.cx will be online in near future :P
 
@webarto rx8 is fucking kewl
s/kewl/rocket
 
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whats .cx ?
 
9:22 AM
please look at this
 
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lol xmas island
 
@PeeHaa But it's not reliable because of it's rotary engine, it has problems if not maintained properly, and it's spends 20L of fuel. So it's a bargain if you have lots of money and want a fun car (actually best car in the world).
 
@Happyninja are you there
 
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@webarto where did you heard that italian engineering is good? ahahah
 
@webarto I had a rx7 for some time. Was also pretty darn speedy at the traffic lights :)
 
9:25 AM
@wes Quality is lower, engineering is very good...
@PeeHaa Lucky bastard :P
 
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when i will have problems on the renesis... touching wood. i will buy a new car
 
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rx7 wow... which one? the turbo?
 
:D
 
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brilliant car!
 
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i also had a nissan s13 1.8 liters turbo
 
9:28 AM
You are lying.
 
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me?
 
Morning all!
Ooh, I see we're talking about speedy vehicles ;)
 
monrning
 
@wes JK, where I live, there is only one or two of them. SX200?
 
Monring
 
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9:29 AM
my father was a car dealer.. i used to have dozens of cars xD
 
@DaveRandom jojo
 
@DaveRandom Wash your face first :P
 
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yes webarto.. in italy also there were not common
 
@wes My ex father in law traded cars :)
/s/car/somewhat older times
 
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then there are a lot of petrol heads here! lol
 
9:31 AM
s/somewhat older times/often crap cars
 
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my father was a lancia dealer
 
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in fact my first car was a lancia delta integrale
 
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rally legend!
 
I'll have a Martini, thank you :P
 
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Martini :drool:
 
9:33 AM
Senza cuore saremmo solo macchine, and stuff.
I'm selling cars, but no one wants to buy it, it's not VW, LOL.
I'm broke actually :P
 
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shits advertising say... midrange car industry in italy is nearly dead now... i miss the '90 glory days
 
@DaveRandom morning ..
@PeeHaa yo
 
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morning
 
netbean 7.3 is nice ..
 
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9:36 AM
forum.clubalfa.it/attachments/… this will be interesting
 
@NullPointer jojo
 
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webarto.. it's the bentley!
 
@wes its cool ..hope i get money in 3or 4 year
 
@wes Isn't that the thing they made 100 of a few years ago
@webarto I like how that's and advertising shot and it already looks like it's rusty
 
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@DaveRandom no, that was the 8C, this is the 4C
 
9:40 AM
@DaveRandom Hah, it was rusty while on assembly line.
 
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lol
 
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@webarto they produced that until when?
 
@wes Interesting - though the Top Gear review of the 8C was not favourable IIRC, they said it was awful to drive but worth owning just to look at it. Hopefully this one will be good to drive as well... It looks very Lotus-esque actually, with the wheels set as far out on the corners of the chassis as possible.
I dunno, I'm busy being unhappy with my piece of crap Fiesta
(although it would probably be less of a peice of crap if I could afford to get it serviced properly)
 
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yes 8c wasn't good at all... citing top gear... its a centerfold
 
Is there any real difference between isset($_POST['submit']) and REQUEST_METHOD === POST?
 
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9:46 AM
lol @DaveRandom poor fiesta
 
@MarioS Yes. You can make a POST request with no body data, and $_POST is only populated by application/x-www-form-urlencoded and multipart/form-data content types
Plus your code relies on there being a key explicitly called submit in the post data
 
so REQUEST_METHOD has a broader acceptance of content types?
 
They have very different semantic meanings. What do you want to check? The HTTP request method, or a very specific piece of information about the data sent in the request.
 
specific data sent in the request
 
Request method refers only to the method of the HTTP request (OSI application layer). $_POST is based on the content sent with the request (the actual application)
 
9:50 AM
so in most cases you would use $_POST no? Because 9 out of 10 times you want it to be based on the content sent with the request
 
@MarioS That's probably true when building a web site. When building a web service the ratio is considerably lower.
 
Do you use a rule of thumb for this? To determine what's semantically correct?
 
Well, no, it's about understanding the semantics :-P - HTTP is a relatively simple protocol, but you do need to learn it. It's not exactly gripping reading, but RFC2616 is the HTTP bible.
 
any guideline php integration live streaming from ip camera
 
@gowri Sure, save your sanity and give up right now.
:-P
I have not yet found an IP camera that doesn't suck really, really hard.
 
9:54 AM
OMG
that's rellay bad
 
drivemeinsane.com Yay, webcams :P
 
hello
 
@gowri Do you have the unit yet? (have you bought the camera)
 
@DaveRandom Thanks, that cleared up a few things :)
 
9:56 AM
@NiekBergman: I need native functionality for my site not third party
@DaveRandom: Not Yet
 
@gowri: I was not suggesting you use that site. They are not a hosting service, just an internet peculiarity :)
It was just an off-topic remark :p
 
:)
 
Is it able to overload PHP script if that script is called a few times every second, so that script does not respond to few calls?
 
@NiekBergman cool
 
For a time, I actually had live streaming going through a PHP script that requested data from my desktop.
 
9:59 AM
@gowri How live do you need it to be? I have had much better results from using a traditional CCTV unit and a PVR with a (sane) IP streaming API. It's more expensive but the results are well worth it IMO. Hang on I'll find links for the units I used last time
 
@Danies: use php session
 
It actually used Memcached to store the image for a very short period to reduce load, performed awesome face detection through OpenCV PHP bindings, and did a whole lot more. Sadly, I lost that PHP script.
It was from the time that I still wasn't that skilled with writing somewhat clean PHP code though, so it might be for the best :-)
 
@DaveRandom: Live like live (some what)
please give the API links that may help me
 
this new feature is really very helpfull
 
any blog post about this
that also help
sports or porn(sensor) live stream websites are developed in what php or something else
even stackoverflow doesn't discussed too much about it
 
10:09 AM
@gowri aventuracctv.com/main - It was made by these guys, I can't find the product any more though (forgotten what the model was) but if you contact them they will be able to talk the requirements through with you and find the thing you need (that's what I did). Once you have the recording controller you can attach whatever cameras you want to it, because it's just plain and simple coaxial CCTV.
IIRC I had a lag of about 10 secs from endpoint to endpoint
(on-the-fly MPEG2 > FLV conversion is expensive because you have to completely re-render the *video stream)
 
thank you I will check out this
@NullPointer: when ever i saw you, I just remember BEER your proposal :)
 
@gowri lol
 
great improvement 46 followers
 
Oh and one more thing: use FFmpeg for media conversion. The adobe tools are next to useless.
(IMO)
 
You want a good server for OTF video conversion, hehe :)
 
10:18 AM
Hey everyone, what's your opinion on the Code Igniter source, is it good to learn tips off of?
 
I've dealt with it before, it's a pain.
 
oh now i remember one framework that implemented with ffmpeg clip bucket
 
@BrendonMcBain what kind of tips?
 
@andho Web structure, file loaders etc. Just general things for improving code.
 
hey everyone!
 
10:20 AM
@Nahiyan :P
 
@BrendonMcBain One of the worst things out there
 
@Brendon
 
@PeeHaa LOL, you hear that nahiyan?
 
@BrendonMcBain I haven't checked code Igniter code before but it really sucked before
 
There's my answer, thanks
 
10:20 AM
it was badly in procedural
but what about now? It has many object oriented code
I mean classes
 
well there are probably better things you can look at
 
So? I could write a web site with 10000 classes that was still procedural
 
sigh finely deleted .. window update exe ..
 
@andho Suggestion?
 
Using classes != OOP
 
10:22 AM
well just suggest where we can learn good tips from?
 
@DaveRandom Yup, using the OOP methods rather is what turns it into OOP right, like using objects etc?
 
@BrendonMcBain ZF, Symphony (I freely admit I'm regurgitating something @tereško said there, but I'm inclined to go with his opinions on such matters)
 
@Nahiyan The use of classes doesn't make a project OOP by magic
Ow @DaveRandom already said it :)
 
@DaveRandom Oh ok, I've also heard they are the hardest to use also
 
@BrendonMcBain No, just because you use object methods, also does not make it OOP :)
 
10:24 AM
@Leigh What does then exactly?
 
@Pee
ok then suggest one application where we can learn good tips
 
@DaveRandom ZF2 and Symfony 2 @BrendonMcBain
 
ok
 
@BrendonMcBain cleancoders.com
 
thanks
 
10:25 AM
@BrendonMcBain OOP is not supposed to be easy, it's supposed to produce quality code. You can't get more out than you put in, basic law of physics.
 
I am using symfony2
BUt i don't know i love or not
 
Read the Domain Driven Design book, they call it the Big Blue Book also
 
@DaveRandom ohk, understood.
 
It will really open your eyes, and will be a fun read also with very practical examples
 
@andho Thanks for that, will definitely give it a read!
 
10:27 AM
@Brendon you never enjoy reading something
 
speaking of books. whenever I see @andho I want to book a vacation.
 
@Nahiyan I enjoy reading things I'm interested in, I've even read a 500 page book, but you won't catch me reading even a 300 page on something I'm not interested in lol
 
ok lol
 
@Nahiyan 800*
 
10:28 AM
@BrendonMcBain I wouldn't like to sum it up in a sentence, there's a lot of stuff out there that is far better written than I could do. To back up what I said that "just because you use methods, doesn't make it OOP" - Imagine you have a single class, and all it does is call it's own internal methods. That is still procedural programming.
 
alright
 
This is in Java, but I have implemented a PHPSpec example which I can get my hands on in maybe 1 day
 
@Leigh So using PHP built functions and things turn it into real code, is that what you mean? That would give it more quality and efficiency.
 
@Gordon hehe, I'm currently in malaysia, but not missing home yet :P
 
hi all
 
10:29 AM
@Brendon, are you still in Thailand?
 
@andho oh. how come you are in malaysia?
 
@Nahiyan I'm going in February.
 
ok
 
@Gordon new job, thought i'll explore the international market and got this fine opportunity
 
@andho what language do they speak in malaysia? malay?
 
10:33 AM
@Gordon nop, english
@Gordon most colleagues usually speak in english because they are multi ethnicity.
but if two chinese start a conversation it turns into Mandarin.
 
@andho ah ok. that makes things easier
 
like wise if two indians start a conversation or two malays
 
@andho lol..
 
good thing we have a good mix here
 
@andho mai i ask why malaysia ?
is college in malaysia are better than india
 
10:36 AM
@NullPointer yeah, it has the best education in asia, excluding singapore.
@NullPointer you meant college right?
 
@andho i thought iit are best
 
what's IIT?
 
@andho yaa.. however i am not in iit ..
@andho Indian institute of technology and for training C-Dac (however i am also not in cdac)
 
Anyone any idea on how to use array_replace_recursive(), WITHOUT adding new keys to the output array?
 
@Jimbo Suspected XY problem, explain what you are actually trying to do ;-)
 
10:42 AM
@Jimbo you mean you want the first array to hold the master keys?
 
Yes @Gordon pretty much, will explain next.. one sec
@DaveRandom Lol, so I have two multi-dimensional arrays. Say one array has it's identifying key as "en" and one as "de". Any changes to KEYS for the en 'Master' array must propagate out to "de"
 
@Jimbo Example input/output?
 
array_replace_recursive() seems to work, but adds the old change too.
 
@NullPointer I'm not anywhere either
 
@andho .. but i am doing preparation for cdac traning .. hope it get me good job
 
10:44 AM
@Jimbo you could array_intersect en and de before you use array_replace
 
@NullPointer good luck then :)
 
@andho He seems to be suggesting that he's both there and not there. He's Schrodinger's @NullPointer.
 
test
can anyone read my message?
 
your test failed.
 
lol
 
10:46 AM
=) test success
 
seems IIT is truely the best in India
 
i'm just checking if my internet connection is fine
 
@DaveRandom confused ???............... only graduate can do training in cdac
 
@TemporaryNickName no
 
@TemporaryNickName no one see that "test" thing ..:P
 
10:47 AM
So guys, what you have to say about Model View Controller Pattern?
is there anything better than that?
 
phpfiddle.org/main/code/7br-qze These are the arrays, can provide current code iterating through it if needed. Also, there's got to be something better than phpfiddle :/
 
dang it
 
@Nahiyan better to what purpose?
 
@Nahiyan first its not my very code ... and second i dont like it ..
 
@Gordon array_intersect() needs to be recursive, the arrays are N dimensional :(
 
10:48 AM
posted on January 10, 2013 by Brandon Savage

Two craftsmen make chess sets. Beautiful chess sets. One craftsman uses old style tools: chisels, files, hammers of all sizes. His preferred material is stone; he carefully carves the pawns, the queen, the rooks and the knights with exquisite detail, like his father, and like his father’s father. Another craftsman uses more modern technology to [...]

 
@Gordon Well, I use it for making the job as a developer easier, also for making things easier for my contributors
@NullPointer why not?
 
can someone pls help me with this stackoverflow.com/questions/14255661/…
 
@Nahiyan not better, but compliments
 
@Nahiyan just personal opinion ..
 
ok
 
10:50 AM
@asifa sorry but your question is not fit to so ..
 
@DaveRandom In that I've already changed "price" to "New Price" in the $en array
 
@Nahiyan you can learn about SOA and Distributed systems.
 
@asifa reason being
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Q: Something on my web site doesn't work. Can I just paste a link to it?

PekkaI have a CSS, HTML, or JavaScript problem on a web site I'm working on. I would like to just describe the problem and paste a link to the external site in question. Can I do this instead of posting code on Stack Overflow - seeing as it's much easier to find my problem on the live site? If not...

 
@Nahiyan MVC is about separating the Presentation/UI layer from the rest of your application. In that regard, it's a fine pattern. But it certainly isn't the only pattern to consider when building an application.
 
@andho Ok I will, thanks :)
 
10:51 AM
@NullPointer I didn't get u
 
@Nahiyan @BrendonMcBain it's not gonna help just jumping into these things, but it's good to know all these things exist.
But to truely understand all this, you need to have practical experience. To get a feel for what is right for the task at hand
 
@asifa to select multiple you can use choosen plugin its really cool
 
I didn't jump straight into things, I just got to know about things and used them when I needed only
 
@Jimbo Can you show the two example en/de array and the expected result on a pastebin or sth? I'm having a hard time visualising what you are trying to do. I may just be being dumb though, I currently have an 18mth year old with some kind of viral infection and I didn't get much sleep last night :-(
 
you can do some hobby projects using these things to the feel for it
the best way to learn something is to go all the way crazy about it
 
10:53 AM
@andho I am practising MVC now, building a framework inspired by CodeIgniter
 
then you will learn very fast what are it's limitations
 
yes
 
@Nahiyan CodeIgniter is cluesless about MVC. Forget what they say about it.
 
@Nahiyan My experience with writing my own MVC is that, once it's ready for you to develop with, it's fantastic. I know that when I create an object or reference a class, it'll automatically be created or included because of my __autoload() function, my header and footer are automatically included, views are so easy to make, models automatically have access to the relevant database... I could go on, but MVC is really fantastic
@DaveRandom Bless, sorry to hear =[ Will do that now
 
@Jimbo that has nothing to do with MVC though
 
10:55 AM
@NullPointer can u give me the link to it. I will give it a try.
 
@Gordon The separation of concerns that an MVC framework brings... making everything so much easier for development (is what I was getting at)
 
Zend Framework was my guide for my own MVC
 
@Jimbo yes, but it has nothing to do with any automagic like described above :)
 
how to do it in joomla
 
10:56 AM
@Gordon Well, a GOOD MVC framework requires those right? Autoloading, a .htaccess to route everything through your index, URL parsing for passing through the controller and actions...
 
@Jimbo alright, thanks for sharing it
 
Basically when someone tries to say "why should I use an MVC framework", that's what I have in my head - it gets those people who haven't done it before like "YEAH lets do this" :)
 
@Jimbo in php any framework requires those things
 
@Jimbo, autoloading is not exactly a requirement, you can use other procedures like making a 'Loader' to load models, views, libs, etc.
 
@Jimbo I find the term MVC framework rather pointless. MVC "splits user interface interaction into three distinct roles.". That's a tiny architectural design choice. It doesn't make a framework.
 
10:58 AM
Okay so, an mvc-based framework?
 
well not requires, but makes life better for consumers
@Jimbo what frameworks have you used?
 
yes
 
@andho The one that our own company uses that apparrently "takes the best of code ignitor, fuelphp, zend without all the extras we don't need".. and my own that I did for learning
 
@andho what about you?
 
@Gordon I think the term refers to a framework that enables MVC
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