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8:00 PM
1 month
 
@rlemon Even if it is it shouldn't be a problem, but let me check :)
 
Little exposure
we have launched a new software product,small start-up
 
@PeeHaa yea, just like in js you should use array literal and not new Array() but really the difference is nominal
 
we wanted to redesign our website
found a good theme
looking for a wordpress design
 
8:02 PM
@techno what does the "company" do? is your site a blog?
 
$50 Theme
I was thinking about hiring a designer
 
that didn't answer either of my questions.
 
but huge pricing
sorry @rlemon
website
 
@PeeHaa ok so really no difference. but good to know
 
8:03 PM
@Leigh :D
If anything [] is faster, but don't worry about it :)
Probably the function call overhead
 
@techno and it does.... what exactly? I'm trying to see if you are actually hosting a blog or trying to make a marketing corporate site from WP... WP is a blog engine... not a full blown CMS
 
so i think,we will customize the theme ourself
 
@PeeHaa :) and faster to write.
 
@rlemon Just a website
 
then why the hell are you using WP?
 
8:05 PM
with Homepage,download,support
 
21 secs ago, by rlemon
then why the hell are you using WP?
 
also a blog
planned
i need to add dynamic content for SEO
what im asking is that
 
ok, so you have your blog run from WP, and the rest of your site can be a real CMS
 
full wp
is it easy to change the positions of the panel items in wordpress
in the theme
there are only 3 feature listings
 
Pet Peeve on the internet #418: Companies that run their websites (not their blogs) from full WP... this was not it's intended use, and it does not hold up well. but it's free, big community, and you don't need to know how to program. fml.
 
8:07 PM
i need to add a few more
eg:
features
may be change the layout a bit
change the button colors
add a new button
is it easy?
 
I wish one day WP will turn around and be all "Yo guys, we're a blogging engine... nothing more. smarten up."
 
im not familiar with wpress
does it need coding?
 
@techno dude, seriously. if you want an easier solution Drupal or Joomla or something - but not WP
anyways - i'm done WP banter - back to code.
 
@rlemon why?
plz help
 
ugh. talking to a brick wall here - read my last posts
 
8:10 PM
@rlemon what i want to know is ,does this process involve coding
is it like drag and drop
 
@techno dude, everything worth doing (software) requires coding. otherwise you're going to have the same cookie cutter site that floods 90% of the web today
 
does it need modifying the code manually
 
... I can't take this anymore - good luck with your not coding.
 
answer is simple yes/no
 
@demon I know how you feel. I'm disturbed by the corner-cutting in the name of cost reduction or due to the lack of professionalism in this field (software engineering not having any mandatory certification authorities like other forms of engineering)
 
8:13 PM
@Sommer and it seems every time I try and help someone find the right track they think i'm just being a dick and knocking some technology because it's "hip"
I mean shit, if that were the case why would I be in the PHP room :P
 
@techno No, there are plenty of [insecure, rigged, infected] wordpress themes out there. Just click install, and it works. (by the way, same thing with Joomla, Drupal etc....free stuff isn't free, it comes at a price)
 
@rlemon ;-)
 
I've worked on some major systems and frankly I've gotten used to them storing passwords in raw, plaintext format, still relying on XML despite better formats, or doing stupid shit like allowing SQL injection.
 
@Christian you mean,i can drag and drop the elements on the website
 
as much as WP wants to be anything more than a blog - it's a blog, plain and simple - if your site will contain anything more than a blog (and a few static about / contact pages) then you shouldn't be using WP to facilitate this.
 
The only thing that matters quite often is what's fastest and cheapest. The fact that you could wipe the entire database by strolling down a list of ID numbers with HTTP requests like "platform.com/user-delete.php?id=###" is frightening. Especially since like you said they laugh of the notion of going about it in a better, ethical way.
 
@techno I mean you can go inside wordpress appearance, search for theme you like, click install, enter some content, upload banner image and its there.
 
It's why I feel that data leaks should merit punitive fines. Give them fiscal incentive to get their shit together.
 
@Christian i know
 
If you're asking about moving widgets around (drag and drop etc), wordpress has sidebar widgets, which let you do exactly that.
 
8:16 PM
@Sommer Why would you stroll dow a list when you can just truncate the table?
 
but if i want to change the layout
 
Can we charge customers more for each stupid request they make (whether or not we actually implement it)?
 
Or delete the entire dataqbase
 
say if there are some 3 features listing
i want to add some more features of the software
 
@Christian I would just show him DW Design mode.. seems more down his ally (alas I could not take the pain - I love the ignore button :P )
 
8:17 PM
only 3 listings are on the theme
 
Conjecture aside, like I said I've seen it shockingly often. The Sony leak in late 2010 for instance. If you ask me they should've gotten a €5000 per user fine.
 
@techno I can help you better if you give me concrete and practical examples.
 
Next time don't hang out citizens' login credentials for anyone to dump.
 
@rlemon Well, I've got some free time, I don't mind helping people.
 
It opens up the door to unprecedented scales of identity theft and credit card fraud.
 
8:18 PM
Maybe @tereško "forgives" me or something.
 
So if the societal impact is that severe, the punishments for criminal negligence should be, too.
 
anywho @techno nothing against you - WP is the wrong choice if you plan on doing anything but a blog - however that doesn't mean you can't still use a theme you like and still have the blog powered by WP
modularity is king.
 
@Sommer Well, I think it serves society right. Anything worth concealing does not belong on the net.
 
@Christian that is my views. if I put it online - anywhere - at any time - someone I didn't intend on seeing it will.
 
@Christian, I disagree. Authorities must be trusted with certain information like login details. Passing the buck is part of the problem, if your lawyer informs the prosecution on every sordid detail or your psych turns your private matters into a public debate you sue their ass too.
 
8:20 PM
@rlemon I understand your point of view,if you work in the same field continuously,you will only get higher level thoughts.You might find some questions funny
@Christian Thanks i will show you
but im in no mood to discuss bug things
*big things
 
I don't even want to know what that twisted mind comes up with this time
 
IMO they violate that trust through nothing but negligence and facilitate serious crimes, which in my book makes them accomplices.
 
@Sommer Not at all.
 
@PeeHaa ?
 
I trust stackoverflow with my gmail logic access because it is far from worth the trouble hacking into my account.
 
8:22 PM
@Christian IMO They might's well send a DB dump to the Korean mob if they refuse to even hash the passwords.
 
@rlemon about that tiny avatar called christian
 
So let them learn the only way they know how, by paying through the nose.
 
@Christian Hiya niceguy! :)
 
@PeeHaa What's your problem?! XD
 
@PeeHaa ahh so i'm not the only one who uses ignore quite often? (@Christian I do see you though)
 
8:23 PM
Heya, how's life treating you lately?
 
the other day (wish I had taken a screenie) I had like 9 of the 16 people in the JS room ignored :/ Help Vampire galore
 
@rlemon I know it is not the solution tm, but it beats the alternative
 
I've met a lot of ethical, professional businessmen, but especially a lot of venture capitalists I know, are outright unethical. They break every law they can for profit and only stop when they might get caught.
 
@techno What stops you from trying it out? Wordpress installs in less than 5 minutes.
 
8:24 PM
@PeeHaa YELL TYPING IS ALWAYS THE SOLUTION ON THE INTERNET!!
 
Drag&Drop Design
 
@rlemon Wow. You even made it bold. How nice :)
 
@Christian you can see 3 features there
PageLines Framework
etc
 
One company I worked for had a leak where they put a publically viewable XLS with the username and password for give or take 1.5 million people, on a public HTTP server. And it was downloaded and published.
 
can i add additional items like that
without modifying the code?
 
8:26 PM
Aside from PR damage there were no repercussions. Do you think they even considered updating their security protocol after that, despite probably bankrupting thousands of people?
It would be a waste of a couple dozen man hours.
 
@techno do you not know how to code?
 
@techno Dunno, just try it out.
 
but does it involve css?
I know
 
@Sommer Far from it. It rarely is that easy, and I'm speaking from experience.
 
if you know then why are you trying to take all of these "no code" shortcuts?
 
8:28 PM
It's not that they shouldn't, it's that it takes a lot more effort than you think.
 
@rlemon I don't know to code wpress
 
you do realize the auto generated code is usually malformed garbage that makes your mothers eyes bleed.
 
@ know to code c#,c++
no web programming
 
@Christian, I know there may be constraints sometimes, but I'm intimately familiar with the systems I just mentioned.
 
@techno WP is PHP, if you know c# and c++ PHP should be a breeze
 
8:29 PM
It would be fairly easy, and not just that, it should be a no-brainer.
 
@rlemon Uhm, with all due respect, that's most of the autogenerated code out there, but not mine. Yeah, I'm modest, I know.
 
If you can't take your users' safety seriously, don't get into a commercial venture.
 
php.net there - you are good to go.
 
@Christian I'll believe it when I see it. (talking about user input controlling the auto generation - not some template files)
 
8:30 PM
I mean if I published your credit card details after you paid me for services, if just through stupidity, wouldn't I be responsible if it got cleaned out?
 
@rlemon ...as long as you throw everything you know about good programming practice out the window and resort to telling you computer what to do in pidgin English
 
@Christian You should meet grmpyprogrammer on twitter. He wants a pan-framework that everyone who touches PHP would use. This is a blockbuster -- a defacto PHP framework that writes itself. OMG.... /patent filed
 
@rlemon I'm sure you're thinking wysiwyg output - in which case, I agree, it is malformed crap.
 
@DaveRandom yes which is why I linked php.net :P you will need it!
 
@Chris Twitter? You know what kind of people go there...
 
8:31 PM
@Christian and WP "drag and drop" widgets is any better? (again which is why I jested at using DW Design mode)
 
eg:colors
@rlemon i will try it,But does it involve things like some random number auto-generated css items
 
We should start running presidential elections like the Hunger Games. It would be so much more straightforward
 
@Chris, and more related to actual politics.
 
@rlemon Well, I can't vouch for other's code, but when I wrote my own widget, it was readable and clear.
 
@techno ok, what you are trying to do is akin to trying to make a email client application in VS2010 without ever opening up a code file and only pumping shit into the properties from the design view.
 
8:33 PM
@rlemon I mean, you're just moving the position of a <div/>, ffs. If you can't get that right...really....
 
ok
will try
 
@Christian ok so your code is good... but it's mingled in with WP - which by association...
5
 
which is easy
is there any CMS
DRAG AND DROP
:)
 
@rlemon :D Got me there. /me gives up
 
@techno yup - <sarcasm type="obvious"> it's sitting next to the drag and drop c++ packages that allow me to solve P vs NP without writing a lick of code.
</sarcasm>
Guys, before anyone starts hating on me: i'm not an asshole, but I am very sarcastic (ok ok maybe that makes me one).
 
8:39 PM
@rlemon Some time ago, I was wondering about on the net when I saw your name somewhere....think it was related to node.js....and I thought "hey that's probably the guy from SO"
 
I (think) i'm the only rob lemon who goes by rlemon on the web. google searches of rlemon usually return me
 
Wait, I thought your nick was related to windows' rlemon.exe?! :D
 
lol I am 7 of the 10 results on first page google for "rlemon" (for me)
nope - Robert Lemon. rlemon
 
mmm...lemon.
lemon cake
yellow cake
 
mmm, robert
 
8:41 PM
I am what happens when life gives you lemons.
 
wait
 
nukes
 
When life gives you lemons..
 
there are so many puns too... "Lemon... so you like, just hang around all the time?". "hey rob, why the sour face?", "Ohh go suck a Lemo... wait a tic..."
 
Hey everyone, let's play this "throw the word that comes up in your mind" game and give @ircmaxell a hard day cleaning up the chatroom!
 
8:43 PM
@Christian =)) Great idea :)
 
douchbaggery...
 
@rlemon but no.. "Rob, you're le mon, mon"
 
@Leigh lol, not until now. :P
 
lols, you got lemonaids
 
That is what I give in the chats.
[r]lemon-aid
 
8:45 PM
@rlemon and that makes you an [r]lemon-aide
 
Life gave me lemons.. so I made some lemonade and sold that shit at a premium. Then with the proceeds I invested in board with a nail in it. 3 weeks later I had all the kids lunch money. Take that! fucking lemons
 
@rlemon did you search yourself in google images ;)
 
there are a lot of black rob lemons. my roots are native american.. wonder where that tree split
@MD.SahibBinMahboob the kitten pics that show up are mine :P nice
 
@MD.SahibBinMahboob better images.google.co.uk/…
 
@rlemon i searched with rlemon :P
 
8:48 PM
and did you allow google to use "lemon" or did you force it to "rlemon"
 
Did you know your name has mah boob in it? :D
 
@Leigh I was just going to say that
Also 0xB00B1E5
 
@Leigh uuh , you spotted in the right phrase . It is a bengali word :p
 
@MD.SahibBinMahboob mahboobs are not bengali!
 
@Leigh how do you know , dude ?
 
8:50 PM
google translate says translate.google.com/#bn/en/mahboob mahboob = mahboob
 
all the circled ones are there because of me
I'm awesome.
 
Mine are. And my arse is Argentinian.
 
Although if you translate মাহবুব, you get something different
 
ohh snap - the cool mod'd car was mine as well. it appears images I post in the chats are getting returned from google image searches for my name
 
@DaveRandom You're manc, the origin of the word manky
 
8:52 PM
@rlemon google translation of bengali is in beta :P
@rlemon yeah , i forget in forcing it to search rlemon
 
@Leigh Could be worse. I could be a scouser. Although I am manky.
 
@MD.SahibBinMahboob well, your english is better than most indians we get in here saying "give me teh codez!"
 
Where are you from anyway? Won't be as good as Manchester. Nowhere is.
 
Them's fightin words!
 
@Leigh i am not indian . I am bangladeshi
 
8:54 PM
Born near Norwich, lived in Winchester, downgraded to Leicester for a wench ;)
 
I speak Leminish - I originate from the small country Lemonia. We ("Lemonians" as we like to be called) are a simple people .... our only conflict is the dreaded war with Lime over who own Tequila.
 
I am .....
 
@Leigh I remember reading once that one of Serge from Kasabian's main aims in life was to get a bronze statue of himself erected in the centre of Leicester.
 
....Maltese.
sadly.
Probably, the worst hypocrites, double-faced, lazy bastards on the planet.
 
Also Norwich is in Norfolk. How many limbs do you have? Be honest... :-P
 
8:57 PM
Swampy Cree, Muskegon, Muskegoes or West Main Cree, known by themselves as Maskekon or Omaškêkowak, are a division of the Cree First Nation located in northern Ontario and Manitoba. They speak the Swampy Cree language, which is a "n-dialect"; while the s/š distinction is kept in the eastern dialect, the western dialect have merged both into s. First Nations Historically, the Cree nations in the central part of the Cree continuum were classified by their relationship to Hudson Bay and James Bay: Lowland (Homeguard) Cree who were found along the coast, Lowland (Half-Homeguard) Cree who seas...
 
But let's not start on how my country of origin sucks.
 
NFN?
 
^ this is really me (Swampy Cree)
 
@DaveRandom the normal amount, and none of them webbed, I was upper-class amongst farmers
 
@Christian wtf?
 
8:58 PM
@ircmaxell I....guess I drank too much energy drinks for one day....
 
@Leigh lol. Anyway I saw you threatening to attend PHPNW, have you bought your stab vest yet? It's grim up north...
 
I'm going to PHPNW
 
@ircmaxell Awfully long way for you to go isn't it?
 
Nah, only 6k miles
 
9:07 PM
Oh right, so just a short swim. Nothing more severe than your normal morning workout
 
@DaveRandom Boss emailed and asked who wants to go, so he could organise tickets, I replied, he hasn't rereplied yet :x
That was in July...
 
@Leigh you had very low possibility to get the ticket now , ha :(
 
Well it'll cost him an extra tenner each now, which also means it's highly unlikely I will be going. Although I might just not eat for October.
 
@MD.SahibBinMahboob we're a sponsor, getting a ticket wont be a problem
 
@Leigh then manage me one ;)
 
9:11 PM
@DaveRandom Octobers worth of baked beans vs mingling with the largest nerd-fest in the north west .. tough call :D
 
yea saw it from feeds
 
@ircmaxell Sorry we couldn’t convince you to switch. We’ll keep trying!
 
i keep saying feeds only posts crap these days
 
9:20 PM
> BING WON 1 ROUNDS *
Why are they even marketing that they suck?
 
@PeeHaa I got the same
I started my search with "best boobs"... no way would google try and show me pixellated videos, google won that one
 
LOL
 
my 4th and 5th searches were my girlfriends full name and mine... she got bing, i got google
so we see where the weakest link is
oh yea, 3rd search was for "google", results were obvious :D
 
@youngcouple10 your site 404's
 
9:29 PM
kindle fire 2/nexus 7
 
Nexus 7
 
I daren't visit bing, I'm using Chrome and Google might see and come round and kill me in my sleep.
Which is what I would deserve
 
nah, they will see you come back, and sleep well at night
 
urgh internals.. must... resist... troll
@DaveRandom why don't you just take the test... if bing wins you can switch to IE and miss half of the internet
 
lol "BING WON 0 ROUNDS *"
 
9:44 PM
@DaveRandom you're not supposed to search for the same thing 5x in a row
 
It actually took me quite a while to come up with 5 search terms that would be a fair test. One of them was the exact title of a codinghorror article and it was the third result on bing.
 
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Q: Find recursion in formula in php

user1653243I have a formula A = B+100 When I try to add another formula B= A-100 , it should prevent in doing so. How can I achieve it in PHP

 
@ircmaxell fixed "People who associate Symphony with anything really need to start using php"
 
10:26 PM
@ircmaxell meh, decided on the Kindle Fire SD...much cheaper than Nexus and will still support CM10
@Leigh but it's so revolutionary
it supports dependency injection!
 

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