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user895378
5:01 PM
@tereško Good points on both of those.
 
also , it seems that you should bey default include also an APC based implementation of ReflectionStorage, because IMHO that would be the only sensible way to use this
 
user895378
@tereško I totally agree, actually. It's on the to-do list.
 
@tereško
A penny for your thoughts
$router->route($request);
but
$class      = '\\Application\\Controller\\' . $request->getResourceName();
$controller = new $class($serviceFactory, $view);


/*
* Execute the necessary command on the controller
*/
$command = $request->getCommand();
$controller->{$command}($request);
Meaning, the Router::route function would need to "silently" change the request object state
Doesn't it seem a bit magical to you?
 
user895378
@MadaraUchiha That doesn't happen at all.
 
@rdlowrey How would it work then?
 
user895378
5:04 PM
@MadaraUchiha Router::route takes an existing Request object and matches the Request::getUri against the route list dependency passed to Router upon instantiation. If a match is found, the matching Route object's controller class name is returned.
 
@rdlowrey Yes
 
@rdlowrey , actually the getUri() method , IMHO , is questionable
 
user895378
@tereško How so?
 
because the URI gets passes in the constructor of Request only so that the router could extract it
i see it as a flaw
 
user895378
@tereško That's not the case, actually.
 
user895378
5:07 PM
In this case, Request is a full model of an HTTP request based off of the RFC 2616 for HTTP protocol communications.
 
@tereško What do you propose? Inject the URI directly to the router?
 
possible , yes ; preferable: hmm ...
 
user895378
Regardless, I'm not really concerned with the minutiae of a routing process constructed only as a vehicle to demonstrate a situation in which you won't know ahead of time which dependencies will need to be instantiated.
 
@rdlowrey Returned to whom?
 
i think the optimal solution would be $router->route( new Request, $uri ) .. *stupid, ignore what i said *
 
user895378
5:09 PM
@MadaraUchiha string Router::route(Request $request) ... given a request instance, what controller class should be used.
 
$request = new Request;
$router->route( $request, $uri);
because URI is use only for that one thing method
 
@rdlowrey That's not the Request::route I have.
@tereško In that case, you don't need $request
What would it do with the $request instance?
 
initialize
 
user895378
@tereško Technically, in my example you need the request method as well for routing. I will concede that Router::route($uri, $httpMethod) is preferable to Router::route($request)
 
router acts like a factory , which prepares the request for usage
well .. i do not use REQUEST_METHOD directly in the router
that opens whole new can of worms , things start to escalate and router turns into something that produces controllers
 
user895378
5:13 PM
It's worth noting this is not an MVC-style routing process. It revolves around RMR, and is based around strict HTTP protocol adherence.
 
user895378
5 mins ago, by rdlowrey
Regardless, I'm not really concerned with the minutiae of a routing process constructed only as a vehicle to demonstrate a situation in which you won't know ahead of time which dependencies will need to be instantiated.
 
@rdlowrey , i was not talking about any code example from your new project
i thought that Uchiha asked a stand-alone question
 
user895378
Oh, sorry :)
 
i am still digging into said codebase
 
@tereško I did ask a stand-alone question
 
5:16 PM
@rdlowrey , how exactly to you deal with dependencies that are or are not shared between multiple instances ?
 
user895378
@tereško I'm not sure I understand exactly your question. Could you put it in code?
 
well ... all the instances of SQLDataMapper will share the same PDO instance , but each instance of House will have a separate Door instance , @rdlowrey
 
user895378
@tereško Right, so you would mark the PDO instance as shared and then the container will use reflection to instantiate the Door on its own, subject to any definitions previously assigned.
 
jo bitches
 
user895378
yo
 
user895378
I'm not cool enough to go with the "j"
 
:)
 
ha! finally, someone closevoted on the Operator Reference as well. Was only a matter of time
 
5:39 PM
Sup dawg, howz your bitches at?
@Gordon That will take a lot of voting power to destroy
 
user895378
What's the haps, bitches?!?!
 
@DaveRandom or a mod
 
[Ohio state does North Korea ](dumpert.nl/mediabase/6384962/a1da23bf/…)
 
user895378
Now I feel like flagging my own post out of principle.
 
We need to pay off some mods, get ourselves a real army of them on our side. Then we'll stage a coup and march on NullUserException and George Stocker.
 
5:43 PM
@TimPost can we impeach moderators? :D
 
@rdlowrey well .. i was wondering about HOW in the context if your DIC
 
user895378
@tereško The code in this section on the wiki demonstrates how you could have the container always inject the same PDO instance to any class instantiated by the container that typehinted a constructor parameter with PDO.
 
user895378
$injector->share($existingPdoInstance); --or-- you can specify $injector->share('PDO') if you also define what the scalar parameter arguments are that should be passed to the PDO constructor (as in the example)
 
can someone explain me that pattern?
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If I remember right Community is a bot or something.
So the site itself did remove that notice? And then the other moderator jumps in again?
 
5:57 PM
you might ping Thief about it in javascript room
because our resident-mod is not around
 
Would somoneone like to help me about passing error from model to controller in zend framework
Model Class methods :
_validateRegisterForm($postData)
{
//validating data using zend_filter_form
//Returns instance of Zend_filter_form
}
register($postData)
{
$input=$this->_validateRegisterForm($postData);
if(!$input->isValid())
{
//What should it return to controller
}
}

controller class api

$this->_model->register($postData)
 
6:14 PM
@hakre Ah, so it's locked now
Well, that was to be expected ^^
 
looks like, I'm too pink for this.
 
I think that I even might agree with them
I never liked how people closed Qs as duplicates of the operators ref
 
Well nobody has said that this will work straight. I must admit, for most questions raised, I can not answer them because it's to theoretical for me.
 
It's better to close to a particular question
 
Well, I'd like to close to a particular question, that is my intend. I just have a problem to find it I must admit.
 
6:16 PM
I think it's nice as a reference of what to close to. But I see how people don't want that as a Q.
 
Well, in lack of what the site basically offers, I thought it practical to start this as one wiki Q to do the research.
 
And it should also be noted that in it's current form it's not ideal for close voting purposes. It would be better if the listing in the question would just link to particular questions directly, like the operator ref does
 
Well I would also say, that you should not just close vote against that one. It's written on top a little in that direction, however the question was wiki so can be changed.
 
need to knock SO doors :)
 
@hakre That's what I mean. To close to particular questions it would be easier if it would directly list the links ;)
because right now it really does seem like a question that has All The Answers
 
user113292
6:19 PM
@hakre When a moderator locks a post, they're asked how long they want the lock to last. It defaults to 1 hour, and it's easy to miss the option/forget to change it (speaking from experience). When the hour expires, Community unlocks the post. George probably intended it to be a permanent lock (which would manually be removed when the meta question resolved itself), but forgot to set it.
 
@MarkTrapp thx.
 
user113292
de nada!
 
@NikiC well that Q is totally work in progress, but it's discussed as if it set in stone.
 
@hakre It probably is set in stone. You won't be able to do larger structural changes to it now. Too late already ^^
 
@NikiC Yes, it is not editable any longer.
 
6:21 PM
That's not really what I meant ^^
Anyway, I hate it how reference questions always cause this major uproar
 
I didn't know that. It's sad to not have some place where collaboratively could be dealt with the error problem if this goes away. I didn't know much about the tag wikis, probably that works. Like for or so. I found the different "Answers" promising to container edits for each of the "popular" errors.
Turns out that this is mostly what users are concerned about. At least they say.
 
emm .. why was PHP Errors post locked ?
 
quick question, how do i (in mysql) select all the records from a specific id to the newest, without knowing what id the newest have?
 
Alright I'm using mod_rewrite... Why do my files (css, js, php, images) delink when I type an the option slash at the end?
 
@AndersFejerskov define new. last update? last insert?
 
6:30 PM
I'm using relative URLs by the way.
 
@hakre last insert i guess
 
Options +FollowSymLinks
RewriteEngine On
RewriteBase /DWS/Public/

RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-f
RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-d

# RewriteRules
# RewriteRule pattern substitution [optional flags]
RewriteRule ^signin/?$ index.php [NC]
RewriteRule ^checkuser/?$ inc/php/checkuser.inc.php [NC]
when I type in signin/ it takes me to index.php but delinks all the relatively attached files on the PHP document...
 
@W3Geek What is "delink"ing when it's at home?
 
@tereško This post has been locked while disputes about its content are being resolved. For more info visit meta.
 
if I type signin it takes me to index.php and all the files are loaded normally.
 
6:32 PM
2
Q: Timestamp for row creation and last modification

Matt FenwickI need to keep track of the time a row was inserted into the database, and the time it was last modified. I tried to create two separate columns, and use CURRENT_TIMESTAMP: create table def ( id int, creation timestamp default CURRENT_TIMESTAMP, modification timestamp on updat...

do the creation timestamp. then you can query for TOP value (largest).
 
@W3Geek Are you talking about include/required files?
 
@DaveRandom The CSS (by link(, JS (by src), PHP (by include), and Image files that are brought in.
 
6
A: PHP Errors Reference question

George StockerThe question is so useful that it's actually useless. Now, when someone has that question, instead of closing it as a duplicate of the best answered version out there, we're supposed to close it as a duplicate of that monstrosity? Can you imagine the user experience of a new user having to navi...

 
Awaiting agitated reply by @tereško :)
 
it's a case of C# mod being an as*hole
 
6:35 PM
@W3Geek Oh right, well it will. Because /signin is a file in the root (/) directory, but /signin/ is the root of the /signin/ directory (to the browser). So all your relative paths will be moved up a level (or down level, depending on how you look at it). Where are all these linked files kept?
An easy (but not necessarily the best for your situation) solution is to use absolute paths.
 
@DaveRandom in the folder index.php is in. You can see it here...
I think I see what I have to do now. @DaveRandom
So I could test to see what URL is being loaded and change the files linked upon it correct?
Because I really don't want to use absolute paths.
 
@W3Geek You could but it's a little nasty (not that what I'm about to suggest is necessarily better, YMMV). I would consider a rewrite rule like this as well:
RewriteRule (js|css)/((?:.*?)\.\1)$ /$1/$2 [L]
...which basically looks for requests that end js/filename.js or css/filename.css and rewrites them to absolute paths - but because you have used a RewriteBase they will actually be relative to that location.
(untested)
 
Wow that looks like a complicated rewrite rule. xD
I'll test it right now.
What do these 2 lines do by chance?
RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-f
RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-d
 
They assert that the next rule set will only be processed in the request is neither an existing file nor an existing directory.
I'm assuming that mod_rewrite can cope with backreferences with that RewriteRule, it may not (although I think it's just PCRE IIRC, in which case it should be fine)
 
@W3Geek The following rule won't apply if the requested filepath isn't a path or a directory.
 
6:53 PM
@MadaraUchiha Only the following rule?... or all following rules?
 
@W3Geek Conds apply only on the following rule
 
@DaveRandom RewriteRule (js|css)/((?:.*?)\.\1)$ /$1/$2 [L]
didn't seem to work.
 
Holy hell, that was a good meal
 
@W3Geek Was a little bit of a stab in the dark, I made quite a few assumptions there. My real point was that if you don't want to use absolute paths, your next option is to rewrite the js/css/image/whatever requests to the correct place.
 
Yeah I see what you mean. I'm trying to rewrite it. xD
 
6:58 PM
Personally I usually go with absolute paths for static resources, to side-step headaches like this, but it's my opinion and YMMV.
If the reason you are wanting to avoid this is because it screws up the paths on your dev server, I suggest you looks into virtual hosts on the dev server, so that everything is still served from the domain root.
@W3Geek @MadaraUchiha It applies to the following rule set. If you chain rules together ([C] flag) it will apply to the whole rule chain.
 
emm ... this all seems so pointless to me
 
hi @ircmaxell and congrats to your meal.
 
lol
 
@tereško Don't most of the discussions that happen in here? :-D
Care to elaborate?
 
the whole "rewrite css url" thing .. it's pointless
 
7:14 PM
@tereško ...because? (I don't disagree, I personally use absolute paths for static resources, but if you have a compelling reason for no rewriting aside from the obvious efficiency and simplicity gains, or a third option given the constraint that he didn't want to use absolute paths, I'd like to hear it)
 
good evening
 
@Jocelyn Bon soir
 
7:30 PM
good evening @Jocelyn
 
I have tried to follow what happened to the "debugging reference"
then the other question on meta
It seems to me most of the people who don't understand very well the problems with (lots of duplicates, every day) are people who care about other tags
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Q: PHP Errors Reference question

EarlzI recently came across this question. It basically boils down to What is the cause of white screen? What is the cause of X? What is the cause of Y? with each question being hyperlinked to an answer and the whole thing being community-wiki. What's your thoughts on this question? Should we...

 
7:56 PM
Here are the slides from my unconf talk about Password Hashing: http://ircmaxell.github.com/password-hashing-mini-presentation/ and on GH: https://github.com/ircmaxell/password-hashing-mini-presentation I'll make a post later
 
@ircmaxell How it go?
 
user1125394
oh html slides
 
very good
I've got the video uploading to YouTube as we speak
571 minutes remaining
@cyril Yeah, that's all I've been doing lately
 
user1125394
you could have made the effort to convert 29B Years ;)
 
;-)
 
user1125394
8:02 PM
thx for the pres, anyway
 
pres?
 
user1125394
presentation*, that's funny that old algorithm like bcrypt are now the safest
 
Well, there's a newer, safer algorithm
but it's not "safer" because it's very new...
 
Hey anyone got any idea on how to deal with explode to miss elements if there nesting inside something?
Eg 1,2,3,4,5,6,[7,2],8
I would need it to produce something like array(1,2,3,4,5,6,array(7,2),8). Any ideas, or should i make this an actual question?
 
user895378
regex. nevermind. just don't listen to me.
 
8:12 PM
Hm, I see that the getters/setters have come up again on internals
 
Yeah
 
=/
 
Oh, @NikiC: I'm going to try to convert method calls on non-objects to recoverable errors. It's a language engine change, so I'm not sure how easy it's going to be. Any thoughts?
 
give me a sec to look the code
 
user895378
@MattPsyK You can still explode on commas and just set up a simple state machine to determine when you're inside a bracket
 
8:14 PM
erm... never done a state machine?
Have you got a quick example of one? :S
 
user895378
you should probably just post a question on the main site :)
 
thought so.
 
@ircmaxell: phpass is PHP 3+ ;)
 
i kinda think that php would be the wrong language for creating state machines ... but that might be just my impression
 
@ircmaxell It might get a bit complicated due to the way methods are called. First there is an INIT_METHOD_CALL, then the arguments are pushed unto the stack, then it does a DO_FCALL (or so I remember). In your case the very first opcode would fail recoverably. How do you want to deal with the rest?
 
8:17 PM
@NikiC True. I'd need to figure a way to skip the other opcodes...
or prevent continuation without an opcode jump (such as an exception)
 
$input = '1,2,3,4,5,6,[7,2],8 ';
$result = eval("return [$input];");
@MattPsyK ^ the state machine is called PHP and it knows your array format.
 
You can skip by doing a jump, but I'm not sure whether that will cause any kind of weird issues. Like which ts/cvs are in use, which freed.
 
user895378
@hakre 5.4+ only, right?
 
@NikiC Yeah, but if I can do it easily enough, I'm going to try to propose it for 5.5...
 
user895378
@hakre And potentially dangerous if the input data is coming from the outside world :)
 
8:20 PM
@rdlowrey yes, otherwise you need to translate with [ => array(, ] => ).
 
@hakre I'd feel a bit safer doing json_decode('[' . $input . ']')
 
user895378
eval! all of the things!
 
@NikiC that's a good statemachine, too. Indeed.
 
@NikiC: btw, what's your thought about pushing the password hashing branch to master...?
 
@ircmaxell Thinking about it again, you can't do an opcode jump. You will have to run the stack pushes and do another check in DO_FCALL :)
@ircmaxell go ahead
 
8:25 PM
@NikiC Which isn't the end of the world...
 
@ircmaxell Sure. Just saying ;)
 
@NikiC I'm half debating refactoring it to not use ZVALs for the conversion, but instead calling the conversion code directly... But I'm not overly sure about that, and how dirty it will be...
 
@ircmaxell sounds really dirty
what we really need I think is two new functions which can get an lval/dval from a zval (including casting)
i.e. they just return the value without one having to deal with any of the zval shit
 
Yeah... That would be handy...
if it's added, I'll refactor... But I think I'm going to push tomorrow night...
 
8:44 PM
Can someone help out here: stackoverflow.com/questions/12788835/…
 
lol illuminati backwards .com lol
itanmulli
.com
lol
 
@hakre I tried to downvote --^
 
just search for how is it done or how it's done
 
9:36 PM
hi!
 
how go things
 
hello @Lusitanian
things go decent
 
hola @mmmshuddup
 
how about you?
 
likewise
updating my CV (which needed to be capitalized to differentiate it from the myriad tags around here)
 
9:38 PM
what are all those tags people always post in the chat?
 
Close Vote please
 
ahhh thank you lol
 
@DaveRandom lol you're still here? thanks for the link
 
@DaveRandom is always here
 
9:40 PM
nice
 
I drift in and out. Currently I'm having a break from a heated debate I have been having with Node.js for some time.
 
haha
 
Node.js is a non-blocking, event-driven FAST ASYNCSAUCEOMG
:)
 
hahaha
 
@mmmshuddup comes from youtube.com/watch?v=bzkRVzciAZg
 
9:43 PM
@Lusitanian It's not async enough, that's the problem I'm currently having. I'm trying to spawn a webworker to do something in the background but I keep getting syncronisation issues (admittedly, probably because of some mistimed async calls in the main process)
 
@DaveRandom I just stumbled across something called a "threading library" (:
Nah, sounds like a fun time though
Is it your application or are you maintaining it?
 
@Lusitanian I am trying to prove a concept for something was proposed by me to myself probably a couple of years ago now. It's potentially lucrative if I could make it work, but I need to prove that it can work before I turn it into a marketable product.
 
@Lusitanian LOL this is awesome
 
@mmmshuddup yeah it's a funny video
@DaveRandom that needs to be written in node? :P
 
I'm seriously considering just doing it in Java though. Because that's the kind of backwards inbred traitor that I am.
 
9:47 PM
Use scala!
 
@Lusitanian No but it's a highly concurrent TCP and UDP socket driven app, and I already know JS (reasonably) well so that attracted me.
 
Understandable
 
@Lusitanian I have yet to look at scala, is it syntactically sane?
 
IMHO yes
 
(for someone who's used to mostly C-like syntax)
 
9:49 PM
It uses curly braces but other than that it's not all that syntactically similar, I'll quote you a wikipedia example:
def intRoot23(num: Int): Int = {
  val numSquare: Int = num*num
  return (math.cbrt(numSquare) + math.log(numSquare)).
    asInstanceOf[Int]
}
 
LOL oh my gosh this was the best video I've seen in a days!
 
The thing to get used to is that the types of values follow their declarations, which feels unnatural at first --- though I've only played with the language as a whole for a small period of time.
 
@Lusitanian Is that val in there as opposed to ref (or similar)? If so I think I actually understand exactly what that does. It might take a little while to get used to some of that but doesn't look impossible
 
no -- it's just a variable declaration
 
Oh right gotcha. Dear god, that brought out the VB in me to slot that into place but I think I've managed to smash it back down into its box again.
 
9:55 PM
VB Relapse?
 
Prolapse is probably a better word.
Especially since VB is a synonym for Rectal
 
lol
 
@Lusitanian This I do not like.
Actually I suppose it's similar to an object literal in JS, it's just not presented very nicely.
 
10:14 PM
hello
Im having troubles storing session variables in a login page i've created, can anyone show me a good tutorial on this... I wouldn't want to ask a question about something so simple.
 
@neat Creating a good, secure auth routine is not a simple thing. It is a topic that has been covered at length on SO so have a look around first, but there's no reason to shy away from asking a good, well researched question if you are unable to figure out the answer yourself.
 
ugh I'm so sick of all those cv-pls things
the first question doesn't deserve to be closed. it can be easily answered
 
@mmmshuddup No it can't. "Best" is a completely subjective thing and is not something that can definitively answered.
 
when did this chat become a place for trolls to come and close loads of questions for no particular reason other than to send some arbitrary message like "if you have to ask, you'll never know."
I'm seriously done with this ridiculous chat
DaveRandom is cool and a few others, but other than that, "cv-pls" is all i ever see here now.
-.-
@cspray according to SO, questions should be improved not closed unless necessary
all anyone ever does is close questions now
it's a joke
 
10:29 PM
@mmmshuddup According to SO questions should not be subjective too
Subjective questions can't be "fixed" to work with SO format
 
well it's a biiiiiiiiiit of a double standard then
 
They completely defy the purpose of the site
No it isn't
 
because 50% of the questions ont this site are subjective
 
there wouldn't be so many cv-pls if people weren't posting so many stupid/duplicate/vague questions
 
99% of the time if the words "which is best..." or some variant the question is not appropriate for Stack Overflow
 
10:30 PM
but it's a good question
 
@mmmshuddup And this is exactly why close voting needs to happen. To reduce that number
No it isn't, in the context of Stack Overflow
 
and i've seen tons of questions with "what's the best way to do ..." and with all kinds of upvotes
"but it's a good question" <-- I was referring to questions like that in general
 
But he's not asking for the best way to do something, he's talking about prebuilt libraries that are "best"
 
closing a question doesn't remove it from the site.. it's kinda pointless
 
@mmmshuddup Please note that I am not cool. I wear flairs and plaid shirts. Also I sometimes wear socks with sandals. White socks.
 
10:31 PM
cuz there are tons of closed qeustions that have tons of upvotes on both the quesiton and the answers
@DaveRandom lol, you're right. that isn't cool at all :D
my gf would kill me if i did that :P
I guess I don't get it. i mean if SO were so concerned with duplicates (REAL duplicates) then shouldn't they be removed alltogether? (rhetorical quesiton)
 
@mmmshuddup The community does that. That's the point of the close voting. To keep the site cleaned up
 
then how do you explain all the closed questions that still exist?
 
I actually don't wear flairs, but that is mostly because I am too tall and I simply can't buy ones that fit. I originally wrote that as a tongue-in-cheek collection of things that are not cool, but I now realise that the flairs is the only thing that's not at least sometimes true, and I may have to go kill myself.
 
The people with deletion privilege sometimes delete duplicates
 
There's millions of questions on the site and I would imagine only a very small fraction of the userbase actively works to keep the site cleaned up.
@mmmshuddup Because those questions then have to be voted on to be deleted. To do that you need 10k rep
 
10:35 PM
@cspray True, as many prefer to complain about the "cv-pls trolls" on the chat
 
The threshold for closing is much lower than deleting. It makes sense that there would be more of the former and not the latter.
 
yeah
 
@Jocelyn Seriously?
 
@mmmshuddup That is clearly a duplicate question. Headers already sent has been solved a hundred times
 
10:40 PM
@mmmshuddup if only you bothered to look at the votes already cast, instead of complaining AGAIN
 
that's not the point!
cv-pls should be banned from this chat
 
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Q: Close vote seeding in PHP chat getting out of hand?

Steve RobbinsI don't mean to point fingers or cast blame on an individual, but I've noticed that PHP chat has a lot of cv-pls requests on questions that I believe are valid, to varying degrees. See here While I am all for cleaning up questions that don't belong, are off topic, etc, I worry that this cv-pls ...

 
if a question is found to be duplicate, let it be dealt with organically
 
This has already been brought up. Site moderators approved this. Really, if it bothers you that much then you really should just be done with the chat.
 
lol that's proof positive right there that I'm not the only one who notices it
 
10:42 PM
You aren't gonna stop the regulars from doing it
So what? It has already been decided by the community that there is nothing wrong with it and the site moderators even encourage it
 
well then
I don't belong here then
I can accept that, and @cspray thanks for explaining
and not bieng rude about it like @Jocelyn
 
I have already seen this question @cspray
 
TFA
 
@Jocelyn I was linking for mmmshuddup benefit
 
@mmmshuddup I am not rude with people who don't call me a troll
 
10:43 PM
Rubbish! You can't strike through text in a comment on SO! :-(
 
There is also this one:
-17
Q: What's with all the PHP hate?

Wug Somebody else has to have noticed that questions that get hit by the nuclear downvote warhead are usually related, whether directly or peripherally, to PHP. I'd assert also that part of this downvote storm happens because PHP is often people's first language, and is often self-taught in early ...

 
well it's a well recognized syndrome of arrogant programmers who think they're superior to all other forms of life, even Jeff Atwood talked abut that in his blog
anyway. this is why almost none of my IRL friends aren't* programmers. it's because most are like that
 
If what you get from people close voting is that they are being arrogant you don't understand it at all.
 
@Jocelyn lol -17! That's definitely a bit harsh for that, even if was just basically re-hash of the first round.
 
@DaveRandom I like this question, even though it got a score of -17
 
10:47 PM
> Excessive hostility during larval stage maims and deforms developers, but proper care cultivates talented ones who don't write code that makes people want to vomit.
Well put
 
But joking aside, I do believe the works fairly well. Yes it sometimes provokes annoyance, anger and occasional premature s but for the vast majority of cases the outcome is just. It is rare that a question ends up with a cv/delv request that has not already received at least one such vote from someone who doesn't partake of this process.
 
@DaveRandom Exactly. And the people use their brain, knowledge and common sense before deciding if they want to cast a close-vote or not.
 
@Jocelyn lol I answered that over a year ago. Don't delv it after, I'm rather attached to that 20 rep :-P
 
@DaveRandom I don't have a delv super-power yet. But there are really way too many duplicates about this error message
 
10:58 PM
@Jocelyn True that, I'm not really too bothered :-D One point though is that people mght get upset about having their questions closed as dupes of newer questions and subsequently deleted. Do you know if a closed question loses it's Google position? That would be what really matters I think when considering whether to delv such a question.
 
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