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12:19 AM
@hakre I don't know if you followed the conversation that followed after @MadaraUchiha turned up a bug in cv-pls, but here's a fix for it. Has the advantage of the fix being to remove some jQ/innerHTML nastiness as well.
...and now I'm going to bed.
Night all
 
@DaveRandom thx for the update and nice zZz
 
Quick question, can anyone link me to a situation where a security issue delayed the release of a major product? I seem to recall something like that about a buffer overrun on Server 2003 but can't find anything.
 
if your company does not care about security , just finish the project and look for different company
> beauty fades, stupid is forever
 
Nah, looking for link for my blog
(I am looking for different work, but it's difficult as an undergrad)
 
1:22 AM
There's a bug in my script:
 
I got a question about Math.ceil(Math.random());
I know Math.ceil rounds numbers up and Math.random generates a number between 0 to 1...
But when you put those two together would you ever get 0?
 
1:43 AM
If Math.random() returns zero
 
> Returns a floating-point, pseudo-random number in the range [0, 1] that is, from 0 (inclusive) up to but not including 1 (exclusive), which you can then scale to your desired range.
So... it can return 0?
 
Yeah.
 
It could return 0...
When I tried that expression, Math.ceil(Math.random());
I always get 1
Are you sure @SomeKittens
I keep getting 1... It must be a rare chance.
 
@W3Geek Very rare...
 
1:58 AM
lol I ran it through a 1000 loops in for loop and all I got was 1's.
I know Math.ceil(0) returns 0. That's why I wasn't positive about it.
 
I just tested it with 100,000 iterations, all false :-)
for(var i = 0; i < 100000; i++) { console.log(Math.ceil(Math.random()) == 0); }
 
Wow... Math.random() returning 0 must be extremely rare! 0.0
But it has that very slight potential to.
 
1 hour ago, by Shaquin Trifonoff
> Returns a floating-point, pseudo-random number in the range [0, 1] that is, from 0 (inclusive) up to but not including 1 (exclusive), which you can then scale to your desired range.
 
user895378
@ShaquinTrifonoff lol, way to look up 4 inches on my part -- sorry :)
 
@rdlowrey That's fine :-)
 
 
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4:09 AM
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Q: Does Wordpress have any wrapper classes for $_POST, $_GET and $_REQUEST?

TenSpeedThere are many frameworks that will provide a helper object for dealing with these variables i.e. symfony has a sfRequest object that has a member function getParameter() that can get used to get $_POST and $_GET variables. I'm wondering if Wordpress has something similar to this? I've seen this...

 
@TenSpeed Answered
 
posted on October 18, 2012 by Larry Garfield

For Drupal 8, we want to bake REST support directly into the core system. It's unclear if we'll be able to go full-on hypermedia by the time we ship, but it should be possible to add via contributed modules. For the base system, though, we want to at least follow REST/HTTP semantics properly. One area we have questions about is PUT, in particular the details of its idempotence requirements

 
user895378
4:30 AM
@Feeds ugh ... -1 for one-size-fits all software. So much easier to say, "this is what I need to create," and then build it as opposed to relying on a monolithic framework.
 
4:43 AM
@Feeds needz moar CMS
 
user895378
4:59 AM
@Feeds needz moar jquery REST idempotence plugins.
 
a simple "needz moar internet" might suffice
 
Can someone answer this question: if a function in a class needs a variable (outside the function but inside the class) is it okay to call it with $this->variable? Or should I include the variable in the function parameters? It's a user search function, and every time it needs that variable and it doesn't change.
 
user895378
If the value never changes I'd be inclined to store it in an object property and access it with $this->myProp instead of passing it through the method every time.
 
thanks!
 
user895378
If it really never changes you should consider making it a class constant.
 
5:04 AM
well it's user information
so it kind of changes based on new users
but not during the php is running
 
user895378
If it's something provided once and is required for the object to function you should pass it in through the class constructor and store it as an object property at that time.
 
:O that's a really good idea
thanks!
 
user895378
class MyClass {
    private $myVal;
    public function __construct($someVal) {
        $this->myVal = $someVal;
    }
    public function doStuff() {
        // do something with $this->myVal;
    }
}
 
:D thank you!
didn't think I should have posted a question on this
it would have probably been close
 
user895378
Yeah, probably would've gotten closed :)
 
5:07 AM
thanks! later and good evening!
 
user895378
No problem.
 
5:52 AM
So, PHP has gone down by 2...
...And VB.NET has gone up by 7.
 
Its what they say, I guess We moving up
 
6:26 AM
Morning
@NikiC: I think you found a bug: 3v4l.org/TpeZO
 
I've multiple values in this array $row['count(answer)']. here How to Answer should be 'yes' or 'no'. How can I count how many 'yes' has on this array??
Sorry here*[how to]
Any idea guys??
 
$count = array_count_values($row);
echo $count['yes'];
@YasirAdnan --^
 
hi
i have two div both on same position which change its position when user move mouse over them but the problem is that only one div move another div is not moving because the first div overlapping him any suggestion
 
hi..when i try upload image using php script on localhost, i get internal server error, can anyone help??
i recently upgraded to wampserver 2.3, maybe i have to edit some settings??
 
anyone familiar with latvian/lithuanian ID card authentication? Is it the same as in Estonia? @tereško ?
 
Anybody ever been to ccc? Is it worth a visit?
 
7:07 AM
stackoverflow.com/questions/12948428/… because the dupe only shows general usage while the OP is having a somewhat more complicated problem. my fault.
 
any sugeestion for my problem ??
 
Hello Gordon
 
I hate it when non-technical people make technical decisions without consulting technical people
 
@MihaiIorga hi
 
:)
Did anyone here ever found a bug on Google Applications and reported it? If so, in how many days it takes for them to respond ?
 
7:13 AM
Hi,
Please suggest the solution... http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12948596/how-to-fetch-the-result-of-last-row-of-conversation-between-each-user
 
@DanishIqbal Why do you need two overlapping <div>s to move? Can you put one inside the other?
 
@ShaquinTrifonoff give me 5 minutes i will upload the sample
 
7:41 AM
@ShaquinTrifonoff check my website sample here
http://escribir.biz/sample/
 
@DanishIqbal Okay, I'm looking.
@DanishIqbal So is it the Facebook/Twitter buttons that are the problem?
 
yes
@ShaquinTrifonoff i want when user mouse over on facebook it shows just facebook and when on twitter it just shows twitter
 
#fbsidebar {
    ...
    height: 130px;
    overflow: hidden
}
#fbsidebar:hover {
    ...
    overflow: visible
}
@DanishIqbal That code should work.
 
let me chk thanks :)
same problem @ShaquinTrifonoff
 
@DanishIqbal It works fine for me.
You should be able to hover over the Twitter button as well as the Facebook button.
 
7:58 AM
i add this code in both #facebooksidebr and #twitter_sidebar
overflow: visible
overflow: hidden
 
Morgen
 
@DanishIqbal Does it work if you just append the new code to just #fbsidebar?
 
no also try this after your message
 
@DanishIqbal Can you upload the changes to the site?
 
sure
 
8:10 AM
@DaveRandom Du auch. Sind Sie Deutsch?
 
@DanishIqbal You forgot to add height: 130px in #fbsidebar :-)
 
@vascowhite Nein, aber es gibt oft ein paar Deutsche hier
I'm nice like that
 
means
 
My pidgin German is laughable though, a lot of my German comes from Google translate.
I can read it much better than I can write/speak it
 
@DaveRandom Das ist wahr, müssen Sie sich anstrengen. Ist das nicht google translate toll?
 
8:14 AM
Sorry @DanishIqbal, I've got to got now :-)
 
I work in Germany at the moment, but I can only speak enough to ask for beer.
 
@vascowhite Well what more do you need?
 
Food and sex?
 
Food is overrated when you have beer, and sex is language agnostic :-P
 
ok no problem
i have a idea i think its works
 
8:26 AM
I really should finish my slides for TrueNorthPHP
 
@ircmaxell Is it an extended version of the PHPNW talk or something else?
Also, where are you now?
 
sup
 
Can anyone tell me what i can use for myql_escape_string in SQL Server
I use mysql_escape_string in Mysql and Pg_escape_string in postgres
 
@ScoRpion... Can you use PDO and therefore prepared statements, or PDO::quote()?
 
8:34 AM
Paris today
and no, it's about cryptography in general. Not just password hashing
 
what i can use for SQL Server to escape strings, apart from PDO, any inbuilt function
I dont want to use PDO
@DaveRandom
 
@ScoRpion... Why not? And, if so, which driver are you using?
 
You can use the native driver, on windows
 
@ircmaxell I'm hoping that in ~3 months I'll have some clue what you guys are on about when it comes to some of this stuff. I currently have a huge blackhole in my knowledge when it comes to crypto and even hashing to some degree, so I've signed up for the next round of the Coursera cryptography course. You never know, some of it might even sink in.
 
8:37 AM
come to TrueNorthPHP then :-D
 
@ircmaxell I would dearly love to but I don't have a spare £1000 chucking around (plane fares to Canada aint cheap).
 
yeah...
 
With PHP , i guess its SQLSRV20.EXE
 
I daren't think how much your little sortie to Europe is setting you back.
@ScoRpion... Why exactly do you not want to use PDO?
 
Its a huge appliaction and its not all upto me,
there are other people to
too
 
8:45 AM
@ScoRpion... Alright, fair enough, but surely you can table the motion that you should be using PDO? It will make your life much easier in the long run... Regardless, what is the name of the function you use to run a query, so I can get a handle on which driver you are using?
 
Sem
8:55 AM
Good morning people
@DaveRandom And by problem code you mean extended fixes because of some sort of anti-pattern?
 
Anyone ever set up / used gitlab before?
 
@Christian i think google.com will help u :P
 
@Sem Possibly. Of which I am often guilty. Although also consider this method I wrote last night: github.com/DaveRandom/cv-pls/blob/master/cv-pls/script.js#L503 - because it's raw DOM building quite a complex structure it's pretty verbose, before that goes into production and I forget about it I'll probably group some bits of it together and just throw a little comment at the top of each section noting which bit of the structure it is building.
 
@DanishIqbal Sure it will. Been helping waste my time these last 2 days.
See, Google thrives on user input
 
It means that if, say, I need to add another CSS rule at some point I'll be able to find the structure it needs to go onto quickly.
 
9:00 AM
And as we all know, 90% of such input is plain stupid, irrelevant or just incomprehensible.
So far, I've fixed as much as 6 different major issues with the crappy git/gitlab/gitolite/gitfuckingcrap without as much as a shred of help from people.
Not because I'm better, but because there just isn't any kind of documentation/instructions out there.
Hell, I've been trying to fix the same error message just because how wrote it wouldn't be bothered with writing a proper error message, instead he slaps a static HTML file with "App could not connect to gitolite system" - wow, that's damn helpful.
 
@Christian Although of course you are better.
 
@DaveRandom Well...I might not be a big believer of unit tests and stuff, but I never ignore the result of a function gone wrong.
 
@Christian lol
 
I mean, think about it.
@file_put_contents($f, $d);
We all know the blasphemy in that code.
Why is it that other projects out there in, say, ruby, are exempt from such standards?
Anyway, its no use ranting.
Next time someone wants a versioning system, I'm sending his sorry ass to hell.
(yeah it's one of those days where I'm really tempted to destroy that damn linux vm)
 
what do you think about optical jukebox as Back up option instead of Tapes
???
 
9:20 AM
@DaveRandom I dont have much knowledge about PDO. i,e can i use same PDO for pg mysql or sqlserver
 
Just got caught out nastily by PHP destructors
I have an autoloader which in its __destruct() tries to clean up after itself by removing its loader from the SPL autoload queue.
I thought I could just unset() an autoloader instance and the destructor would take care of cleanup for me.
But of course the destructor only runs if there's no references remaining to a given instance. and in this case there was a reference to the instance in the SPL autoload queue. So the destructor didn't remove the instance from the autoload queue because it was in teh autoload queue.
A dumbass is me.
My unit tests were failing because autoloaders I thought I had destroyed were still lingering around.
Oh well, live and learn.
 
@ScoRpion... You can use the same set of objects and the same methods (for the most part, a notable exception being the behaviour of rowCount() with select statements), obviously it can't account for SQL syntax differences.
But in general, yes. One of the main points of PDO is it makes it a thousand times easier to modify the underlying DBMS without having to rewrite your whole codebase.
Plus it's pretty succinct in many cases - like some of the stuff that takes 20 lines in MySQLi can be done in 3 with PDO.
(no I haven't forgotten you are talking about SQLServer)
 
@DaveRandom Can i have some tutorial links, i can go through to decide implementation of PDO and also to justify the senior PM and others for using the same, well very thanks for your response and time Dave
 
There's a regular on here who has no love for PDO. Can't remember if it's @ircmaxell or @NickC or someone else, but they don't like that it defaults to emulated prepared statements instead of real oens for MySQL.
 
I don't care for it
 
9:27 AM
Personally I prefer PDO and just need to remember to enable real prepared statements when using it with mysql
But Mysql sucks anyway so I try to avoid it if I can :)
 
Does plain Mysql provide Any, any adventage over PDO
 
postgres FTW
 
@ScoRpion... All the PHP mysql interfaces use libmysql. They all work in basically the same way, but ext/mysql is lacking some features (notably prepared statements), so your left with MySQLi/PDO, I choose PDO mostly because I'd rather write 3 lines instead of 20 but also for portability.
 
OK, its just an extension over Mysqli
Thanks dave
 
@ScoRpion... Not exactly, not at all in fact - you do not need MySQLi or ext/mysql installed to use PDO_mysql, they are all independent of each other. But they do all wrap the same C library.
I can't find a good PDO tutorial not targeted at MySQL, anyone got a link to it handy?
 
9:34 AM
I thought PHP uses its own mysql library these days instead of libmysql?
 
@ArtjomKurapov nope , estonia is the exception this time
 
exception.. you mean that you know about estonia but not lithuania?
or that lithuania has card/usb certificate based authentication but its not the same?
 
i know that Lithuania does not have the new IDs , neither does Latvia
 
looks like java-based certificate reading software to me
 
afaik , they are quite rare
 
9:40 AM
@GordonM That's not precise though.
It's the GC you need to be weary of
$o = new C();
unset($o); // __destruct not necessarily called here
 
@GordonM I thought it was all libmysql, but I may be wrong
 
However, if I remember correctly, you can force the GC to clean up, which will probably fix the issue.
 
@DaveRandom There was this whole mysqlnd business
 
> Use --with-pdo-mysql[=DIR] to install the PDO MySQL extension, where the optional [=DIR] is the MySQL base install directory. If mysqlnd is passed as [=DIR], then the MySQL native driver will be used.
 
@Christian True, but I don't think a forced GC would have helped because there was still a reference in the SPL queue.
 
9:44 AM
@GordonM It seems you have a choice ^^
 
@DaveRandom Oh, I guess that'd explain it.
 
@GordonM Of course. I'm just saying I've had my share of woes with reference obviousness and the gc :)
 
Sem
@tereško In your lovely simple MVC example, do you use the ServiceFactory as an observer?
 
Yeah, like I said, it's easy to get caught out with them. :) If I force my autoloader instances to unregister themselves from SPL before destroying them it's all good again.
I never would have caught that without a unit test.
 
@Sem why would serviceFactory be an observer ?
it makes one sense
 
Sem
9:51 AM
@tereško It registers the router right? Guess I don't understand the observer pattern enough..
 
mornings
 
yo
 
@hakre Morgens
 
@Christian As long as the constructor of C doesn't have odd side-effects, it will be called there (side effects like registering itself in a static, stashing references somewhere, etc)...
 
10:19 AM
Just had a thought, if APC got integrated into core, the A would become redundant
 
10:37 AM
@Leigh It can just become "Actual"
or "Acceptable"
 
@DaveRandom I think it should be renamed to Integrated PHP Cache, just to confuse people with Inter-process communication.
 
10:50 AM
@Leigh Just change it to "Cache". Then people will go "Yay, I can use C in PHP"
 
@DaveRandom Tbh, the A would have to be changed to "advanced" or something, to keep function names the same :P
 
11:10 AM
hi
 
or maybe I was too hasty and didn't read the full thing
should still be closed, just not as duplicate
 
11:28 AM
morning
 
yo
 
Why did I just had a discussion about the fact that you shouldn't add JS to HTML with my colleague?
o.m.g.
 
@PeeHaa Which side were you on?
 
@Leigh Is this a serious question?
 
@PeeHaa :D
 
Sem
11:32 AM
@PeeHaa always likes it 50 / 50, we all know that.
 
Don't add JS to HTML... by that I guess you mean <script> // crap </script> .. not <script src="crap.js"></script>
 
@Leigh ofc :P would be hard to include js otherwise ;)
 
@PeeHaa AWw, I hoped the point was to eliminate JS entirely
 
:D
 
now.. on to client-side PHP
 
Sem
11:36 AM
Don't you guys do $(document).ready(function(){$('body').html('crap')})? What a shame.
@Leigh Have you seriously tried it already?
 
@Sem What?
 
@PeeHaa Fix for middle click bug: github.com/downloads/DaveRandom/cv-pls/…
 
@Leigh What about neither-side code?
 
Sem
@Leigh Client side PHP, it's not released yet as far as I know. Thought you would be one of the alpha testers.
 
It just... runs...
 
11:42 AM
@Sem There is no such thing yet Sem
@Xyon ethercode? I like it..
 
Sem
@Leigh Damn you for giving me hope.
 
@Xyon jQuery to the rescue: $.work()
 
@Leigh And its sinister fork nethercode
 
@Sem Seriously, if there ever was a client-side php runtime, good luck getting browser vendors to support it.
 
@DaveRandom noice
 
11:44 AM
All my code runs in a minecraft computer located in the nether on EC2 and everything goes through that.
Nether code. :)
 
FORTH computer or LUA?
 
@Sem Client side PHP scares me. I'd have to actually code properly if clients could see my code.
LUA
 
-1
 
@PeeHaa Added a .gitignore to the repo to stop the build files from leaking in as well, after I nearly committed them again.
 
Indeed. I've never actually bothered learning LUA syntax, I just poke the LUA stuff in things I want to try until it works
 
11:47 AM
@DaveRandom :)
What is this called ... after an excerpt?
 
ellipsis
 
Oh here we go @Leigh - [Client Side PHP] (thedailywtf.com/Articles/Client-side_PHP.aspx)
 
not to be confused with ellipses
 
gracias
 
Or indeed eclipse
 
11:49 AM
Forget client-side PHP, what we really need is node.php
 
@Xyon Not entirely sure what that is supposed to be
 
@GordonM Behind the times much? nodephp.org
 
@Leigh It's a javascript function.
 
11:50 AM
Which runs some PHP...
 
That's real?
 
yes?
 
Also, only got 4 words for that client side PHP example. Your Server Got Violated.
 
@GordonM I think for the vast majority of web-based examples on TDWTF that's probably the case.
"He ... he touched me in my eval()"
 
@GordonM I have 4 more - Your Application Is Sh*t
 
11:53 AM
@DaveRandom And people wonder why programmers use acronyms...
 
@Xyon I worked for Sky for a little while many years ago. If you need a dish installing above 2 storeys, you call the Special Heights Team, who are often referred to as SHT. They used to be called Special Heights Installation Team. True story.
 
@DaveRandom Oh, that's bad. And I just got TV from them. Thankfully a ground-level installation though.
 
So were they really the SHIT? Or were they just SHIT?
 
@GordonM I think that's just the noise they made when they dropped the dish...
@Leigh I'm quite partial to TempTxt4.
 
11:58 AM
@GordonM Actually they are the only Sky engineers who really know what they are doing, because they are (or certainly were) the only guys who are employed directly by Sky. Everyone else is just a contractor and they are, pretty much to a man, idiots.
 
So they rewlly were the SHIT?
 
@DaveRandom Don't tell me that. I was in work when our install was done and my other half kindly allowed the man to drill into the wall behind my servers...
Sphincter-tightening, I can assure you. I paid somewhat close attention to the heartbeat :P
 
@Xyon Sky suck bug fat hairies anyway. Virgin is what you want if you're going to have either. As soon as I can get FTTC I'm scrapping Virgin probably, I rarely watch anything that you can't get on Freeview HD. Although I'm not sure about that because of Comedy Central and Discovery.
@GordonM I guess so... Within that context anyway. I hold Sky and everything about them in pretty low regard to be honest. If there is a corner to cut, they will cut it.
 
12:14 PM
am sorry to ask such a noobish question, but I cant really understand why sizeof($array) gives 1 when print_r($array) shows it has 706 rows ?
any idea where am I doing wrong?
 
@Kishor At a guess have an array containing one array which contains 706 rows.
As in array(array(<706 items here>));
 
So this is something like this?
Array ( [data] => Array ( [0] => Array ( [uid2] => 528215806 ) [1] => Array ( [uid2] => 528965755 )
 
@Kishor Try sizeof($array['data']);
 
so I should be using sizeof($array['data'])
ah.
 
12:17 PM
Thanks for pointing me in the right direction Dave! Cheers
@DaveRandom - Cheers! That worked.
 
@Kishor NP
 
Woot: one of my posts is #8 all time on /r/php: reddit.com/r/PHP/top/?sort=top&t=all
 
@DaveRandom I get internet through BE. Only TV through Sky, and only for the F1 because I got fed up of having to download it.
The kids benefit from the additional channels too, of course... :P
 
@Xyon Are you on thebox.bz? They get most sports events within about an hour of them finishing and they get seeded beyond belief.
@Xyon You're not supposed to let your kids watch porn...
 
@DaveRandom I used to be. They banned me for ratio cheating, I think I used a client they didn't like or something. Gave up pleading with them after a while.
Hey, it's perfectly valid life education...
In fairness, the Sky has actually been a great benefit over freeview. Considering our signal was so poor in all weathers that the only multiplexer we could actually lock down was BBC, having more than 8 channels is something of a revelation...
 
12:30 PM
@Xyon Yeh the banned client list is pretty long, but with good reason - so many clients just have a blatant disregard for the protocol. They announce when they feel like it and report inaccurate stats to the tracker.
 
@DaveRandom Yeah - I had a less than normal setup with it wherein I used deluge to download the stuff straight onto my server. They didn't like deluge at all because nobody else had ever used it on the site, which I thought was slightly unfair grounds for exclusion at the time, rather than testing the client's report... but well, those were the rules and I broke them, clearly.
I don't mind being banned for using a bad client. I just didn't particularly enjoy the accusation of being a cheat.
 
I have a form containing a 'location' field. Is there some API available for showing dropdown suggestions for users for the location so its more accurate and formalized/standardized ?
 
I don't bother with TV, I'm happy to overhear people saying a show is good then download it in its entirety at a later date.
 
@Leigh I used to do that. :P I did it with Dexter and wound up watching 5 series in a week.
I then was suddenly lost without it waiting for series 6 lol
 
user1125394
@Yohann define 'location' field
 
12:37 PM
Address Street, City, State, Country
 
heh, too localised ;D
 
Right, I suppose I'd better get back to work... not that there's much difference between that and SO...
 
huzzah! :) I'm looking for a simple way of placing the php away from the html, but there must be a easier way of doing that. I'm using a but load of include statements right now - there is a lighter way of doing this, right?
 
12:46 PM
"If you don’t see the redundancy there, I’m not doing my job very well." <- lol;
Thanks @tereško :)
 
Let's say I have class A that makes use of __call and a child class that also makes use of __call.
Naturally, I suppose the child classes' __call will be called first, correct?
 
this is a code smell, you are doing something really really wrong there
 
btw, i know i'm in the PHP channel but this has to be asked (plus it's referred in the link teresko sent me) is JSP *better* than PHP for the backend job?
I have been reading on that server-side-java thingy where we have to code a "apache in java" and only then can we start coding something - but i'm still wrapping my mind around it and now.. now i see JSP thingies.
can anyone clarify/help/point me out? (i really like php but it seems all this new kids have pimping bass guitars and are jamming out lovely tunes (read: java, jsp, the likes))
 
@MoshMage I hear batch jobs are better than PHP, Ruby, Python, Node, CF, ASP all put together.
@tereško True. It's not for a production system though.
 
@MoshMage , the best language for backend is the one you are good at
 
12:53 PM
@tereško Because of PHPUnit's dependencies and it's way of working, I decided to have something of my own built on some concepts I've used in the past.
 
@tereško I don't think you can write server side code in bullshit
 
The major thing I have here is that a test class needs to extend my testcase class so that it can do $this->assertXXXXX()
Uh.
 
@DaveRandom ouch.
@tereško that makes sense, 'craft with what you've got'
@Christian yes, i forgot to tunnel the area of effect - my mistake.
 
Actually, my concept of having a __call() call the actual testcase classes means I lose type hinting in said child class.
 
@MoshMage That wasn't directed at anyone in here particularly
 
12:55 PM
@tereško Though the answer to my question is good to know, I think I'm not doing it they way I thought. Thanks.
 
@DaveRandom i know, i know, but still: it was a nice come-back x)
(or, however we choose to call it :))
I guess my question, in the end, is: can a php-backend do what a java-backend does? (and vice versa)
 
sometimes
 
web-strictly speaking?
 
java and php are a bit different languages .. in java you have JVM which can let you to persist objects between requests , while in php each execution is isolated
also , i really dislike how java does "web stuff", it has always had this add-on feel to it
 

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