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8:00 PM
@DeadMG kyrostat
 
lol
 
@DeadMG Anything that can make money, and that doesn't take a year to get out.
Yes
setting up a company in the UK is easy as pie
 
What will the company make/do?
 
software
porn thus
oh wait
 
lol
 
8:02 PM
get out of Tony mode
 
@TonyTheLion Shit out some quick indie game then? :P
 
If you sell it as cakes, then you can avoid value-added tax.
Only in GB though.
Hope you're going there; they seem to have some of the best support for software dev out of western Europe.
 
@DeadMG yea well, I would start with something that doesn't take forever to develop so the company starts making some income, and then you can build up on that
@ShotgunNinja ahahah, jaffa cakes software
I would start a company with someone if this person could commit
so if you're serious and willing to commit
 
well
if you have a serious plan as to where you're going to get funding and what you're going to develop in the short term
 
it still frustrates me that so many of my coworkers think "ANSI" is an encoding :( And that they save everything in "ANSI".
 
user142019
8:06 PM
 
@MooingDuck Probably they are confusing it with this: alanwood.net/demos/ansi.html
 
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Q: c++ arithmetic not working as expected

user843796why does the following C++ statement produce a 0 and not 0.5 or .5? cout << endl << "hardcoded " << (55-50) / 10 << endl; Thank you in advance.

^^ wow that went down fast...
 
@ScottW I know. still frustrating
 
@DeadMG Well, I have no idea what kind of software to develop, but funding could be solved if there was something that was something feasible we could come up with to develop. Problem is, I'm a black hole when it comes to ideas.
 
Because you didn't read that tutorial well enough. — H2CO3 3 mins ago
 
8:09 PM
@TonyTheLion Doubt we could make money trying to sell Wide :P
 
@ScottW then they hired me to "localize" everything. And it's taking forever.
 
@DeadMG erm, yea.
lol
@ScottW that's what surveying is for
 
@TonyTheLion Jaffasoft?
 
you have to find out what the possible target audiences of your software are and if there is a need for it by surveying
@ShotgunNinja sounds too much like Java, and that is automagic suicide
 
@TonyTheLion Also, are you at all connected to Tony the Pony?
 
8:12 PM
@TonyTheLion or, just make it, and see how people react
 
@thecoshman That could work, except money.
 
@thecoshman yea you can do that for hobby projects, but not if you need it to pay for shit
 
I'm screenie-ing that comment thread before it gets wiped.
 
@ShotgunNinja do I look like a Pony to you?
 
8:14 PM
ahahahahh this thread has turned hilarious. — Tony The Lion 7 secs ago
 
easy pickings
 
oh sure if you need fancy paper stuff... GIVE ME FANCY PAPER STUFF!!!
 
@TonyTheLion Kickstarter! :P
 
Woah... comments already wiped. Is there a mod lurking here?
 
anddd it's gone
 
8:15 PM
BoltCock was here earlier
 
@TonyTheLion A little?
 
hope Eric Postpottercock got to read the result of his pisswankery before the comments vanished.
 
@DeadMG Typo, or you just don't like the guy?
 
@ShotgunNinja what user are you referring to?
 
@ShotgunNinja Originally it was a typo and now it's a pet name.
 
8:16 PM
@Mysticial You provide a valuable service, friend!
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Did you catch the comment that came after Tony's?
 
@TonyTheLion I was referring to the Zalgofied answer to the XHTML Regex question. You know the one.
 
The comments got wiped before I could load it.
 
It mentions Tony the Pony, and I was wondering if that had any correlation to Tony the Lion.
 
8:17 PM
@ShotgunNinja that wasn't me or anyone I know IRL
 
@Mysticial No :(
@TonyTheLion you'd probably have been eaten
 
me eaten?
don't make me laugh, I'd maul anyone comes close enough
 
There were also 2 comments under Andrew's answer. One got deleted.
 
haha I got a Twitter follow from H2CO3 out of that mess
 
8:19 PM
heh
 
@Mysticial Oh were there?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yeah. I didn't catch the other one before it got deleted.
 
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh cool stuff, perhaps you could make some sort of basic page we can all follow... are you going to keep it with you are all times?
 
fucking deleting comments that delete context still needed for remaining comments
@thecoshman Twitter feed?
 
8:20 PM
deleted comments should remain visible for 30k+ users IMO
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I was advised to use this method by a more "knowledgeable" programmer, what would you suggest as an alternative? — user1981855 7 mins ago
 
Xeo
@JohannesSchaub-litb decltype(auto) <3
 
@Xeo how does that work?
compiler has nothing to find the type of auto?
 
Xeo
You know auto f() -> decltype(expr)?
 
Xeo
And how, if expr yields a reference, f() does too?
 
8:21 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit The answer in your linked question is bad :|
 
@TonyTheLion nah. a) too easy b) I want a nice gallery of it all :D
 
Xeo
And if expr yields a value, f() also does?
 
while (true) {
    int x;
    iFile >> x;
    if( iFile.eof() ) break;
    cerr << x << endl;
}
Wtf?
 
Can you do auto f() -> decltype(f())?
 
Figured out where Tony the Pony comes from: msmvps.com/blogs/jon_skeet/archive/2009/11/02/…
 
Xeo
8:21 PM
@TonyTheLion No
 
@TonyTheLion You can for defining members.
 
thought so
 
Xeo
@DeadMG Not self-recursive
 
@Rapptz unfortunately common
 
class X { void f(); }; auto X::f() -> decltype(f()) { }
@Xeo I did it previously.
 
Xeo
8:22 PM
@DeadMG what
 
@Xeo That might not have been the exact form.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Should have used this
 
WTF is the default Coliru link command.
@StackedCrooked: You broke coliru.
 
Xeo
@Tony answer the question!
@DeadMG g++-4.8 -std=c++11 -O2 -Wall -pedantic -pthread main.cpp && ./a.out
Is the default
 
oh, yeah
 
8:24 PM
@DeadMG He answers this in the Q&A on top.
 
@DeadMG workin for me
 
apparently you can get it back by some arcane procedure in the Q&A
 
@DeadMG erase it, press compile, refresh
 
but seriously, you need to put a giant "DEFAULT" button or someshit
 
Xeo
@DeadMG Clear cmd, reload
 
8:24 PM
ain't nobody gonna read the Q&A
 
@Rapptz Usually do, but just found this one and it's better
 
@Xeo fuck do I know?
 
How is it better?
 
@Xeo compile is required
 
@Rapptz oh, I forgot to read it all
fuck
fixed
thanks
 
Xeo
8:25 PM
@TonyTheLion Okay, example time.
 
Read: Can we re-request features that Jeff declined? — Lightness Races in Orbit 3 secs ago
hehe
 
Xeo
@DeadMG The "what" was meant as a surprise reaction
 
yeah, I know, I just wanted to check
 
If you press the compile button then the current command is stored in localStorage. If you refresh then the command is loaded from localStorage or, if localStorage is empty, then the default command is loaded. Hence: erase, compile, refresh.
 
8:26 PM
it's been at least 30 months since I last did that.
but Clang, GCC and VS will all accept it
@StackedCrooked I just wanted to tell you that keeping the previous entry the way you do now is incredibly annoying.
it would be much nicer if you just kept a history or something in the local storage but gave me the blank slate every time
 
Annoying you satisfies me.
 
Can a structure have a destructor?
 
Xeo
int f(std::true_type);
int& f(std::false_type);

template<class B> auto g(B b) -> decltype(f(b));

static_assert(is_same<decltype(g(std::true_type{})), int>(), "value");
static_assert(is_same<decltype(g(std::false_type{})), int&>(), "reference");
 
@Mikhail Of course (assuming you mean a struct or class, anyway).
 
Xeo
@Tony ^
 
8:28 PM
@StackedCrooked Cock.
 
Xeo
"StackedCocked"?
 
nah
only BoltCock is sufficiently special.
also Cockface, but he GTFOed :(
 
@Mikhail a struct and a class are different only in the default "publicity" of their members.
 
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Q: Could 30k+ users be allowed to see deleted comments, please?

Lightness Races in OrbitI know you want comments to be transient, temporary repositories of brief requests for clarification that should disappear when the parent post is edited to address the commenter's concerns... but, sorry, that simply isn't what happens in reality. In reality, comments contain threads of text tha...

 
@Xeo you only need to be careful with return (var); since it will give you a reference even if var is not :)
 
8:32 PM
@Xeo so that proves that reference and value aren't the same.
I still fail to see how that relates to my recursive decltype thingie
 
so book authors saying "optionally you can enclose the returned expression with parenthesis" need to be careful :)
 
Xeo
@JohannesSchaub-litb I just read what Richard posted in std-proposals :(
7 mins ago, by Xeo
@TonyTheLion Okay, example time.
Follow the replies
 
@Null so ~300 people out of the millions of users who touch Stack Exchange every day? You can't "rescind" comment upvotes, either. World hasn't ended, nor is there any actual evidence of a problem -- point to the trail of dead children and I'll be happy to take a look. Otherwise, enjoy your vanilla, and I'll enjoy my chocolate. Have a nice day! ☺ — Jeff Atwood Sep 29 '11 at 0:24
 
@MooingDuck what a tool
 
14 mins ago, by Xeo
@JohannesSchaub-litb decltype(auto) <3
?
 
8:35 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit "you can't rescind comment upvotes either".... You totally can now :P
 
Xeo
@TonyTheLion Yes, it was an example of what decltype(auto) would do
 
just saw your comment
about time
how long have we had that?
 
@Xeo ah I see
 
Xeo
since you were confused with my explanation that auto f() -> decltype(expr) yields a reference if expr does, and also yields a value if expr does
Just auto f(){ return expr; } will always yield a value
and auto&& f(){ return expr; } will always yield a reference
 
Why was Jeff so hated, by the way?
I wasn't a Lounger back then.
 
8:37 PM
@Xeo I thought you were talking wrt to my auto f() -> decltype(f()) thingy
 
Xeo
decltype(auto) f(){ return expr; } will yield exactly what expr yields.
@EtiennedeMartel Turning down oh-so-many feature-requests
 
@Xeo Hmm.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Basically because he acted like a dick. Unnecessary censorship, went on about how the community runs SE and then ignoring ten trillion popular feature requests, exposing user personal information without consent, etc
 
@EtiennedeMartel because he revealed personal information (gender) of a troll we once had
 
declines without reason, or leaves a fucked up reason that everybody downvotes the shit out of
 
Xeo
8:38 PM
s/oll/ap/
 
not sure gender counts as secret personal information
but I see your point
 
I wonder if that is why he left SE.
 
@Xeo :D
@EtiennedeMartel "to spend time with his family" yup probably
 
He created this awful site
 
I doubt it
 
8:38 PM
@CatPlusPlus If its so awful, why are you here? :)
 
he probably owns a pretty large stake in SE
 
Xeo
@Tony understand decltype(auto) now?
 
@CatPlusPlus Must be hard to talk with all those dicks in your mouth.
3
 
@Xeo yep :)
 
@TonyTheLion I don't know
 
Xeo
8:39 PM
@TonyTheLion Nice
 
@CatPlusPlus because you love the Lounge, perhaps?
 
Xeo
@TonyTheLion *it's
 
I'm thinking about quitting forever
 
To me, Cat is a big softy who tries to look tough.
 
@CatPlusPlus We all are.
 
8:40 PM
Are you saying Cat is tsundere?
4
 
As a feline, he is quite soft
 
the main issue is, if you quit the Lounge, where would you go?
 
@DeadMG I'm not.
 
-13
Q: Who has the power to delete comments en masse

YarinMultiple comments on my question have been repeatedly deleted without anyone flagging them. They are from multiple users, are valid and not offensive, and yet are being deleted en masse. How could this be, and who has the power to do so?

ahaha
 
@EtiennedeMartel made meta so community can vote. Then overrules community.
 
Xeo
8:40 PM
@DeadMG Outside.
 
@DeadMG I have wondered this too.
 
Xeo
:O
 
@MooingDuck I'm starting to think he was one of those Big Ego guys that are so common in software development.
 
@Xeo Fuck that.
 
IRC
Or maybe just fuck IMs and stay on forums
 
8:41 PM
You're saying IRC is better?
 
@EtiennedeMartel I'm not certain it's big ego so much as "SE is mine and I can do with it what I want"
 
decltype(auto) is mostly useful for perfect forwarding/"backwarding"
 
New Humble Bundle btw
 
Xeo
@JohannesSchaub-litb I call it "perfect returning"
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit that answer is quite funny haha
 
Xeo
8:43 PM
With that in, I can actually revise that part of my proposal
Or rather, I already have
 
@Xeo ah indeed
 
@Rapptz Looks like China.
 
It is
 
That was enough internet for one day
 
8:46 PM
in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Overflow Chat, 15 hours ago, by Moshe
Why the heck are there a million iOS related chatrooms, all active at the same time, and all containing just several users? Kinda kills chat, no?
lol
 
Keep in mind that China has a one child per family limit.
 
std-discussion and std-proposal seem to have contributed to growth of c++ 14 proposals significantly
AFAIK std::optional was completely developed by std-proposals folks?
 
@Rapptz Care to mark that as NSFW
 
How's that NSFW?
 
Xeo
@JohannesSchaub-litb They also contributed their fair share of WTFness and general insanity.
@TonyTheLion Oh noes, blood!
 
8:47 PM
But it's too late to edit it
 
Xeo
@Rapptz That might even happen accidentally
 
Ell
@Rapptz If your boss caught you looking at it at work, you would be in trouble no?
 
Xeo
How do you think they even got the baby out in time?
 
@Ell Uh.. no.
 
Ell
Why not? o.O
 
8:48 PM
:9677911 your work lets you browse photos of dead babies in sewage pipes? SIGN ME UP!
 
Xeo
Who'd get in trouble for that oO
Like, seriously?
 
Because no one really cares..?
Must be a UK thing.
 
@JohannesSchaub-litb There was some discussion there.
 
@Rapptz A baby in a toilet tube is NSFW/NSFL
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I didn't realize it was dead.
 
8:48 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Looking for a job?
 
Xeo
@DeadMG It... wasn't, I think?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit That.. didn't ping me. Weird.
 
@Rapptz Weird
@EtiennedeMartel No but I'll move for that
sounds amazeballs
gtg xx
 
Meh, drank a little bit too much wine.
 
Xeo
Yeah, that baby was alive and kicking screaming
 
8:50 PM
I think it's alive too
 
looks pretty alive on the second one
 
I don't see anything NSFW about it.
Confused as hell.
 
@Morwenn That is so French.
 
Xeo
Yeah, same
 
Its not something I like to look at, maybe its just Not Safe For Tony
NSFT
 
8:52 PM
@EtiennedeMartel I usually drink beer and beer and cider.
@EtiennedeMartel And also chouchen and some Elixir d'Armorique if I have some, but it's less common.
 
Xeo
@TonyTheLion So sex is fine, but babies are not. You're running from responsibilities before you even have them!
 
So, I'm not so good with copyright stuff and everything. What is required to influence your code from SO and to copy code from SO? I know about this, obviously, but do you actually have to have that in every code file with SO influence?
 
Ell
How are dead babies sfw I don't understand >.<
 
Xeo
It's not dead.
 
@Ell It's definitely still alive.
 
8:53 PM
@Xeo Babies in toilet tubes are not fine.
its just wrong
 
Ell
Okay, possible dying babies
 
babies don't belong in toilet drains
shit belongs in toilet drains
 
@TonyTheLion it's kinda odd to watch pictures of babies at work isn't it?
 
I didn't even notice it wasn't dead... Wow...
 
Xeo
Yeah, it surely was put in there on purpose
 
8:54 PM
pretty incredible that it's still alive
 
Ell
yeah
 
There are better ways to play the one child limit.
 
Ell
Like condoms >.<
Oh wait.
Nevermind
 
Xeo
> Suggestions that the child had been dumped have been revised after it emerged that the 22-year-old unmarried mother of the baby was the one who raised the alarm.
> According to a police source in Jinhua, in the eastern province of Zhejiang, the woman gave birth unexpectedly when she went to the lavatory on Saturday, and the newborn fell into the squat toilet.
 
8:56 PM
oh :/
 
wut
 
Haha xD
 
and she flushed on accident?
 
@Xeo What.
 
> squat toilet
 
Ell
8:56 PM
Oh yeah they have those
 
does that imply just a hole in the ground?
 
"Oops, dropped it. I'm not reaching in there."
2
 
"Better flush. Just in case."
 
Xeo
> Attempts to pull him out failed, so rescuers sawed away a section of the 10-centimetre (four-inch) diameter pipe with the baby inside and took him to a local hospital.
 
Eh, I was thinking more of a "Oooooops, I accidentally hit the flush thingy."
 
8:59 PM
@Rapptz i wonder whether the baby is alive?
 
Xeo
Read the messages! :P
 
I believe it is
 
@Xeo What
 
@Xeo Serious?
 
9:02 PM
The abandoned child has been named Baby No 59 from the number of his incubator
 
Xeo
Hm. Can't decide whether to sleep or play a game. Maybe I should choose c) and read a book.
@FlorisVelleman "Number 5(9) is alive!"
 
@Xeo Imagine being called like that, "Hey Baby no. 59"
 
Xeo
Yeah, I'll just go read a book. Later.
 
Ell
gahhh I can't focus
 
9:16 PM
hehe
where the hell you gonna stay?
 
Ell
You can stay at my house
 
@FlorisVelleman Much better than being called "the dead baby."
 
Ell
but I don't think I'm anywhere near tony xD
 
you could stay at my flat, but you'd have to sleep on a mattrass
 
@JerryCoffin Except not being called for that often
 
9:22 PM
@Ell if you're not near Bristol, you're not near to where I am
 
Ell
Nope I'm not near bristol
 
@Ell Are you near the Isle of Wight?
 
Ell
Nope
I'm near @MartinJames
 
I lived in Plymouth at a time. The towk was really nice.
 
Ell
In fact. I wonder if I cycled near his house yesterday
Apparently Ubuntu is spyware
 
9:39 PM
@thecoshman It says so in the rules. I'll try.
 
Should start a flamewar
 
Ell
guise
how do I decouple simulation stuff from graphics stuff?
 
I usually don't try and make the drawing of simulation results independent of the simulation, that seems like overkill to me. But I make sure the simulation isn't at all dependant on how it's being drawn.
 
Ell
I guess
 
> Note: if found, flip to a page randomly, follow the instructions, then return.
Almost makes me want to lose it on purpose :S
 
9:49 PM
What was your gift?
 
Looks cool.
 
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9:57 PM
@DemCodeLines ?
 
No nothing.
 
@Feeds "Windows PHP"
 
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