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user142019
09:00
Okay. I got a decent avatar.
does visual studio 2012 update 2 include the CTPs?
Apparently, I've earnt the silver badge overnight. The fuck, what is it?
user142019
lol
Also, WTF is this about (besides crappy ascii art):
09:05
11, 98, 198. 76,288 rep. gogogo
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@sehe Yo momma.
@sehe I see no art
My momma is better looking
@sehe binary?
09:07
@bamboon Nah. Of course not. That's pedestrian stuff. No. The baffling abuse of a vertical scroll bar there
ah ok
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So much bad code.
@sehe Getting 'unknown command' :(
Eh, at this point I could be using watches.
@LucDanton maybe you should install GNU screen? Or perhaps subst make fluff by your own command?
@LucDanton ... watches?
@sehe lol
The unknown command is scons whatever, not screen or make fluff :p
@sehe inotifywait & friends
09:18
@LucDanton Wokay, that's probably PATH stuff. Perhaps screen -X "/usr/bin/scons whatever" or similar. Note that it will probably inherit the CWD of the screen session
@LucDanton Ah
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I want bacon pizza.
11/16
hmmm
@sehe Neither of -X date or -X /bin/date works tbh.
someone is posting rule-of-zero links in the c++ irc channel
@bamboon it wasn't me :)
09:24
are you also camping there?
Oh yeah, but I lose quickfix if I go that way. Meh, tradeoff.
hi everyone
@StackedCrooked SFW if I work in a police station?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit The link is sfw, if that's what you mean.
09:31
@StackedCrooked Well, I rather meant the content to which the link points.
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@StackedCrooked It was a pun on the "legal".
@LightnessRacesinOrbit As long as it's not the UB police
@kbok Aha, okay! It's not.
Dumb me.
Thanks
@StackedCrooked Fucking idiot ;) <3
09:31
I shall jump off my balcony now.
brb
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Going out lemming-style
"yippee"
okay that sounds wrong
It happens frequently in this building.
I was trying to imitate the sound a Lemming makes.. doesn't work in text
09:32
Speaking of UB police station, I think @ThePhD will end up there soon enough
@LucDanton You can always :cfile somelogfile or vim -q somelogfile. Works heaps
@StackedCrooked you call delete on destructed object there and it destructs it again
Old lady next to my apartment jumped.
@kbok They'll never take me alive.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Isn't it more like "boing"?
09:32
@StackedCrooked what do you think?
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@Abyx Yep. Member operator delete is only for freeing memory
@StackedCrooked You mean, out of the window?
@sehe tee hee
@sehe At least I think it's unwise :P
09:33
@sehe Balcony. 13th floor.
@Xeo wat?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit uhhhh thanks
Last year a 16 year old guy was thrown off the balcony. (They are in prison now.)
@kbok Open "Lemmings WAV files" and pick "YIPPEE.WAV"
@kbok that's what I was going for :)
@StackedCrooked Damn. That's messy. For a moment I thought you literally heard jumping noises. That would have been so much more upbeat
@StackedCrooked "They"?
09:34
@sehe The murderers.
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@Abyx I just meant to concur. The second part was more directed at @Stacked
Not kidding :/
Darn. What a nice neighbourhood.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I think it's OING.WAV (the sound they make when they go out the door)
It was actually during a burglary. One of them wanted to stop committing the crime and his mates 'silenced' him this way.
09:35
In Amsterdam, a 3-y/o kid fell from the sixth storey (? spl) and died later in the hospital (this week somewhere). The adults have been apprehended
@StackedCrooked Good thinking
@sehe Heaps indeed. Awesome!
@kbok haha k
I once walked down a flight of stairs, reached the bottom, and then fell over.
Got a pretty bad sprain actually
@StackedCrooked Wacht even. Het was niet "zinloos", right? Het doel was om hem het zwijgen op te leggen...
@Xeo uhm, any operator delete function only frees memory, and the delete statement also calls dtor. so why "member operator'? also that's not a member, that's a friend function
09:37
@LucDanton Old school, but never fails
@sehe Klopt. Wat een domme meute.
@StackedCrooked Why do they look happy and smug?
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@Abyx Oh, right. Too early in the morning. Whatever.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Er... I have no idea.
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Point is, no, it's a bad idea to do.
09:38
yeah
@StackedCrooked Oh second reading, looks ok :) I misread the delete operator for a destructor on first scan
@StackedCrooked Could it be because they are Belgian?
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@sehe Nooo, not ok.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Probably. We're always jolly chaps.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit kbok.fr/OING.WAV
^ Going out lemming-style
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09:40
@kbok "going out" is (also) an euphemism for "dying" - atleast as far as I know.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Life means nothing without serial killers ?!?!?!?!?! — SAM 15 hours ago
He didn't get it
oh
@kbok still prefer "Yippee". For context, I occasionally make that sound in real life. That's why I used it here
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That's why I told @ThePhD to "go out" lemming-style (i.e., jump off a cliff)
@Xeo Not really an euphemism. More like a 'strong wording' for it, IYAM
09:41
@sehe What would you have to add to the operator's definition to invoke UB?
@StackedCrooked :-)
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@LightnessRacesinOrbit Nothing. It's UB already. Well, not the operator, but the code in main.
@Xeo Thought so. Sehe said "looks ok" and confused me
@sehe Yea, not really euphemism, more like relativistic.
Like 'game over'.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Well, no one has come forward with the definitive reference why multiple destruction is bad, even for a POD, with a compiler default destructor. There might be a wording in the specs, but I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't
@StackedCrooked It's from "going out with a bang", AFAICT
So more like a 'flight forward' chosen death. Game over would be more passive, something that "happens" to the subject
09:44
Anybody know of a decent high level library for networking which is portable (Android/iOS) and supports persistant cache? libcurl and POCO c++ seem to lack this feature...
Well, the jumpers didn't fly much.
@DavidKarlsson Cache of what?
@StackedCrooked flight is noun with 'to flee', not 'to fly', here
"response cache" for http requests
09:45
@sehe Ho ho ho I'm not touching that one.
You probably need a HTTP library then
@DavidKarlsson So you want http libs, not networking. (No context -> hard to guess :))
Visual Studio Installers Y U so slow?
@LucDanton Me neither. It's more of @refp thing IYAM. Useless language lawyering :)
oh sorry! yes i want a http lib, featuring persistant cache as described in http 1.1, ie. diskcache..
09:46
@bamboon To give you ample time to reflect on your sins
@DavidKarlsson I'd say MS has a library. I keep forgetting the name. Many A's in the name.
My requirements on the http lib=
Caching to disk,
@bamboon Because several gigs of download
My requirements on the http lib=
Caching to disk,
high level
portable to iphone, android
@kbok ja ja, I know
@ThePhD Oh gawd, please don't use my name in the same paragraph as ignorant drivel like "well-written tests, and other stuff was far from necessary."
user1357851
09:48
@R.MartinhoFernandes <3
@DavidKarlsson Here: casablanca.codeplex.com
And IIRC my input was mostly of the kind "what you are doing is pointless."
Far from a seal of approval.
@DavidKarlsson Oh. Portable :)
@R.MartinhoFernandes
09:49
@R.MartinhoFernandes hey, can you explain me what this line does gist.github.com/rmartinho/5074263#file-log-h-L53? Or even better link me to a case where you use the logger.
@sehe i take it casablanca is not-portable?
@DavidKarlsson Indeed... :(
@bamboon It's a hack for expanding a pack of side-effects.
wished Boost/Poco/libcurl had that caching feature :'(, thanks anyways
09:51
Within {}, order of evaluation is guaranteed.
Tell you what if you come up with a solution heres a thread im looking at thread
It has the disadvantage of creating a zero filled array, but that may or may not be optimised out. There is a variant that uses a type with a variadic ctor instead of the initializer_list, and does nothing with the arguments, but GCC does not keep the order of evaluation in that, so I cannot use it.
@ThePhD Oh I missed your response earlier. Well then. Here's my 10p:
You needed tests because you wanted to share the code with us to assess. Your code was too hard to assess (I stopped) because the output was fluff (it might look ok, but who's to tell? There might be wrong output, missing output).
Also, the real reason I probably felt compelled to tell you about my observation, is because I've learned the hard way. If you're gonna make programming your profession, and I heartily suggest you do, there will have to be a point where you value function/business over fun. I have reached burn out while having fun and taking on challenges for some 10 years. I don't recommend this life experience.
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@R.MartinhoFernandes It's a shame, really.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I use char[]. Which means length one though.
Or more -- but have to add that '\0' somewhere.
09:54
(@ThePhD FTR I think your code is way above average and you('ll) make a fine programmer. It's just that more things are at play in real life, and I happened to note one; Sorry if that was out of line for you, you may safely freely ignore this).
Well really I use ANNEX_EXPAND( pattern_goes_here, a_comma_is_good_too ), so it's not like I can't switch implementations.
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah, I used that trick to great effect here stackoverflow.com/questions/15532840/… - that's fun /cc @ThePhD
@sehe you have way too much free time
@DavidKarlsson We'd always be plinking instead. Also, have you considered asking at Stack Overflow? Perhaps someone would even be willing to share his caching snippet (caching is not generally very hard to achieve)
@BartekBanachewicz I'm a bit like ThePhD sometimes
@R.MartinhoFernandes ok, thanks for the hints. I will google up on that.
09:57
@LucDanton Yeah, I should probably put a macro in that gist instead the expanded form, even if only for better documentation.
@sehe <insert trope> Noooooooooo!! :<
Everyone is. Well, except maybe the clinically depressed and Jean-Paul Sartre (not even he)
I mean, every one has that tiny bit of ThePhD evil
heh, yes.
@DavidKarlsson Yeah! I'll up it for you. If it's not a dupe, this has merit
09:59
@DavidKarlsson this looks like "I am a wannabe web server"
@BartekBanachewicz Web client
I think I caught cold or other shit from my roommate
I have a sore throat and my head hurts a bit :/
@BartekBanachewicz diddums
And probabilistics exam today
10:03
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Q: syntax error while writing sentence using xmldome

Umang ShahI want to achieve the below output using xmldom <ENVELOPE> <LEDGER NAME="Shah" Action="CREATE"> </LEDGER> </ENVELOPE> for this how can i write 2nd line using xmldom?

wow
haha probabilistics
@Zoidberg it happened again:
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Hm, Windows 8, Windows 9, what will be next, Windows X or Windows 10? and what will happen when MS reaches Windows 94 and has to create the next windows? xD
@sehe you have Lightness plonked, and he posted in between.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit yea. I think I will get at least passing grade, tho
@BartekBanachewicz So lightness causes time anomalies now? Makes sense since it probably races at ~2x the speed of light :)
@sehe yet another reason why plonking simply "works not"
LOL
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Q: PHP script works not everywhere

user1211376I've been working on a newsscript, that displays all the newsitems on a page (a sort of archive). On that page I can drag an item below/above another item and saves the order in my database. This works fine on my test server, but now is my website ready and I transferred all my files to another s...

10:12
Thing is, @sehe knows that full well. Him and Zoidberg are just trying to point out their plonks in a passive aggressive manner.
@BartekBanachewicz Well. I knew that. Also, I don't think it is related
@LightnessRacesinOrbit ...
@BartekBanachewicz "Maybe this is the problem, or not? "
funny enough, we are talking about plonks and Cat's nor around.
@BartekBanachewicz Oh, I wouldn't know!
@LightnessRacesinOrbit AAMOF I had purposefully avoided announcing any such thing for about two weeks. Gah. Who's passive aggressive again?
10:13
@LightnessRacesinOrbit <cheesy smile> (can't "lol" literally because it hurts :( )
I think I caught cold or other shit from my beer
I have a sore throat and my head hurts a lot
@GamErix Windows X? That would make zero sense. Ironically, that's one number that Roman Numerals can't represent
When would you implement the operator new(...) and operator delete(...) class (static) methods? I've never seen it used. (Except in my experimental code.)
For debugging purposes I guess
10:17
@StackedCrooked I think the answer is, really you don't. There is a (very) limited area where this 'sorta-kinda' works out, but as I archived it in my mind, it has too many pitfalls to be generally useful
What works, instead, is custom (cascading) allocators, and malloc replacement libs
user1182183
I would ask on SuperUser but that question is doomed to be closed..
@sehe Indeed. Even for memory pools other techniques are generally used.
user1357851
@GamErix but if you ask it here, it will be doomed to be moved into the bin
@GamErix Ask it anyway :)
@Luc my sequences are gonna need some more fancies :S
I need fancier subsequencing.
10:21
ugh god.
I just wrote an answer with (justified, but still) UB in it
I feel bad.
user1357851
In the end, it might just be that your question is useless, worthless and the bin could not wait to receive your question!
I was asking why that would be bad, but you mean in terms of traversals/categories right?
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Sometimes even a bin needs to feel loved and needed
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and you are the right person to keep the bin occupied!
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feel proud of yourself!
10:23
@LucDanton Yeah.
save() is not good enough for multi-pass (or forward).
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@StackedCrooked k
I only have a means to get terminal subsequences (pop_front till you have what you need).
I need something to obtain initial subsequences too.
splitAt/span?
I was thinking s.before(t), avoiding the need to add a cursor-like concept.
@BartekBanachewicz justified UB? That's a form of UB I hadn't previously heard of
10:28
@LucDanton I think those are at a higher level and not suitable for primitives.
Yeah, I was more relating the signatures than the functionality.
Emergency Rape FTW!
@sehe std::vector<glm::vec3>, and assuming it takes the same space as 3 floats
@BartekBanachewicz o.O is that UB? You mean, gml::vec3 is not alignas(n)?
10:31
.before kinda moves this more towards the basic iterator-that-knows-where-it-ends idea: it's the operation that changes the end.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh, so mutation. I understood 'obtain' as in getting another sequence.
Figures, what with the member syntax.
@LucDanton Oh, yes, it should give a new one. The point is that it's the only operation that provides a sequence with different end.
@BartekBanachewicz The contents of glm::vec3 are guaranteed.
It doesn't have anything more than the three floats in the proper order.
You just need to assert the size.
10:37
lol
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This little baby chick is so funny:
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@R.MartinhoFernandes okey then. I think my answer is ok now.
ugh, Travis web interface gives impression of being lousy
@R.MartinhoFernandes what's Internal Combustion Engine?
Just a backronym of ice.
user142019
Man.
10:41
Which is just a random name I picked for a namespace for some experiment.
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Time for some coke.
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@sehe lekker voor je.
OOoohhhh new GitHub issues list
also wat my answer was just upvoted
user142019
jQuery is the best software ever!
$(this).text($(this).text() == 'HOME' ? 'HOME' : 'HOME');
@Zoidberg exactly ^
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FUCK YOU
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:<
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loolllllll
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You can optimize that out.
10:48
that was a total troll. I completely forgot about it
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Nicolai Josuttis uses leading underscores for class members in his slides. #accu2013
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Not a single detail will be left untweeted.
1584: Balthasar Gerard has his "flesh torn apart" by red-hot pincers. He is then smothered in honey and left overnight with a hungry goat.
WTF was wrong with people back then.
do goats like honey?
user142019
@R.MartinhoFernandes Sounds like they had a lot of fun torturing and killing people.
10:51
@jalf Does it matter?
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Those people would think what the fuck is wrong with us not doing that.
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@Zoidberg Wait, the ape is at Accu?
I jelly!
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@Xeo JA!
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Also, what's wrong with _member. Haters.
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It's fugly. :x
10:52
@R.MartinhoFernandes To the goat, surely
Fuck goats.
No, not that.
@Xeo what if you have more than one member? They can't all be called _member
@kerastion Yes, he assassinated William of Orange and was tortured for a week (a new one every day) before being executed.
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@jalf lol
I guess technically you could use multiple inheritance to get around that limitation....
user142019
10:53
@R.MartinhoFernandes and that's why you don't kill people.
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Also, lol they call Willem van Oranje "William of Orange" in English. TIL.
@jalf I, too, am moved by such wanton cruelty against goats.
False alarm, includes snafu.
Thought I could be smart and remove a dependence on <annex/tuple.hpp> by just using <annex/indices.hpp>.
Oh wait I put ANNEX_EXPAND in its own header. i r so smrt

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