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3:00 PM
@sbi There is 'Mont de Vénus', but it's more of a poetic thing.
 
@sbi lol
 
sbi
@EtiennedeMartel English is a mix of Angle-Saxonian (which is West-Germanic), Danish (North-Germanic), French, and Latin. French, I thought, is what a Germanic tribe made in wrecking the Gaelic-bastardized Latin it found when it concquered the area. ICBW on the latter, though.
 
@LucDanton Yeah, well, it's not French.
 
@LucDanton Yeah, nobody uses that in real conversations.
 
@kbok Is et caetera French? Checkmate.
 
3:01 PM
@LucDanton Yes it is. It's in the dictionary.
 
@bamboon Not necessarily, maybe it's my fault :) Anyway the message is "be careful" ;)
 
Pretty much like "aquarium" and "virus"
 
sbi
@LucDanton "Venushügel" is an exact translation of this, and while it sounds poetic in German, too, it's the actual, formal, correct name for that piece of female anatomy.
 
"mons" on the other hand is not French, neither is "dominae"
 
@LucDanton academics prefer et al. which is latin
 
sbi
3:03 PM
@kbok The German dictionary will give you "Frisör". Guess what that was made from.
 
user784668
@sbi from the Polish gangster?
 
@sbi this?
 
sbi
@kbok Yep. Does it sound familiar?
 
What. You're just trying to confuse me are you?
 
sbi
3:05 PM
@kbok That Wikipedia page has a "Français" link on the left. Try it, it works. I often use Wikipedia for translating things for me.
 
It's "hairdresser"
 
it's called Hair dresser in English .. lol
 
Sex in advertising or sex sells is the use of sexual or erotic imagery (also called "sex appeal") in advertising to draw interest to and to help sell a particular product. A feature of sex in advertising is that the imagery used, such as that of a pretty woman, typically has no connection to the product being advertised. The purpose of the imagery is to attract the attention of the potential customer or user. The type of imagery that may be used is very broad, and would include nudity, cheesecake, and beefcake, even if it is often only suggestively sexual. The use of sex in advertising ...
Stumbled on that randomly.
 
sbi
@kbok "Der Begriff Friseur war im Französischen nie sehr gebräuchlich und ist mittlerweile ausgestorben." (The term "friseur" was never used much in French and is by now not in use at all anymore.)
 
8 occurences of "sex" in one oneboxing.
 
3:07 PM
@EtiennedeMartel There's probably a trope for that.
 
sbi
@EtiennedeMartel Of course.
 
@KhaledAKhunaifer Latin also has et cetera, which means "and other things". et al means "and other people".
 
@EtiennedeMartel Naturally.
 
With "a". Oh, both seem fine.
 
@JerryCoffin dang that dictionary
 
3:08 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes et catera? :)
..."and cats" ? :)
 
@melak47 et caetera.
 
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@KhaledAKhunaifer What? et al is added after the name of the primary researcher to signify there were others involved.
 
sbi
@melak47 I thought "and (an)other crater", but that would be "et caldera", no? :-/
 
@DogPlusPlus yea, @JerryCoffin clarified that for me
 
3:09 PM
@sbi Discussion with a colleague. Here's how it broke down: Microsoft dropping MSN on April 8th > they should do it on April 1st instead > 3D Realms originally planned to announce the release of Duke Nukem Forever on April 1st (but they went bankrupt first) > Duke Nukem Forever couldn't be made in our PC world > it could because there's tits in it > Googling for "sex sells" > first result
 
@KhaledAKhunaifer This is rarely if ever used in French.
Also etc. isn't used to mean et al..
 
@LucDanton well both are highly used in research
 
@DogPlusPlus et al., it's short for et alibi :)
 
@melak47 Yup, et alii to be exact.
 
@KhaledAKhunaifer I must confess I'm more used to reading papers in English.
 
3:11 PM
@LucDanton find paper in french -> bin
I can't handle the french :(
 
sbi
@EtiennedeMartel And it took you 2mins to think up this trail?
 
@melak47 et al. is short for et alia, not et alibi
 
I always thought it was "et Arschlöcher".
 
@sbi I also have to work sometimes.
 
@KhaledAKhunaifer "and elsewhere", err, whoops
 
sbi
3:12 PM
Oh wait. You said they're dropping MSN?! What in the world...?
 
@sbi For Skype.
 
@sbi they have skype
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes posing with your new german words ;)
 
@KhaledAKhunaifer No, et alii.
 
@bamboon (actually had to look up the plural)
 
sbi
3:13 PM
Oh damn. I confused that with MSDN. :-{
 
@DogPlusPlus No, et aliae.
 
MSN/WLM client is going down sooner, servers later
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ^^
 
@DogPlusPlus et alia = and others
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's for femalAE :P
 
sbi
3:13 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I bet looking up the plural of asshole doesn't look pretty.
 
@DogPlusPlus Right, clearly better than yours.
 
> et alii - "And others; to complete a list, especially of people, as authors of a published work."
 
sbi
I would have guessed "et alia" meaning "and garlic".
 
I guess that's why you abbreviate it to et al., no chance of getting the details wrong :p
 
@sbi I did not look up images.
 
user784668
3:16 PM
Quick, a duplicate and an off topic vote needed!
 
user784668
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Q: C++ source code browse tools on Linux, install problems

runner frankI am doing a project, which is based on 50+ C++ files and 60k lines of C++ code. I need to understand the calling relationships of hundred functions, e.g. callers and callees. I am trying to install some source code calling browse tools. such as cscope and kscope. But, kscope depends on many...

 
actually, et alia is for both genders, et alii for males, et aliae for females
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes You looked at the real thing?
 
each source file over 1kloc long? really?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Uhm, could you explain this? ideone.com/vF6eSg I'm staring at that code for a few minutes now, but I just can't get what happens there
 
user784668
3:17 PM
Now only a dupe vote needed.
 
@sbi Annoying, are you. I looked at words.
@NikiC The first print compares the two different variables; the second compares the same variable. I thought that was obvious :P
(The second variable name has a backspace between the two "o"s; yes, that's valid Java; go figure)
 
sbi
Anyway, enough time wasted here. I'll look at this issue now.
 
Such a nice day.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes unicode is so awesome ._.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes aahhhhhhhhhh
 
3:19 PM
@melak47 So is cancer.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Wow, that's really fucked up
 
@NikiC It's patently ridiculous.
 
Isn't there like a standard that says what's a valid unicode identifier and what isn't?
 
"About 300 protesters inside the management building, cops looking ready to storm in, barricades have been set up." @occupy_sussex #Mar25
No time to fuck around.
 
They say git gets easier once you get the basic idea that branches are homeomorphic endofunctors mapping submanifolds of a Hilbert space.
 
3:20 PM
@NikiC Yes. Java is older than that, though. Still no justification for allowing control characters in identifiers.
 
@kbok True.
Although stressing homeomorphic on an endofunctor which basically maps on itself is almost as stressing that a homeomorphism is also a local homeomorphism. It sprouts from the definition. But, for the lulz, right?
 
user142019
> quit; - You'll never believe it - this quits the repl!
 
user142019
lol dat help page
 
Meanies dislike my questions :(
 
user142019
That's because they're bad (I mean the questions, not the meanies).
 
user784668
3:26 PM
@KhaledAKhunaifer do your own homework, m'kay?
 
@Fanael I'm not a student, I just wrote it actually
 
user784668
@KhaledAKhunaifer All these are either outright ill-formed or questionable.
 
user142019
In fact, those guys are not mean.
 
@KhaledAKhunaifer Get a book.
 
user142019
3:27 PM
They improve Stack Overflow by downvoting bad crap.
 
Anyway, new string is bordering on "broken".
 
Oh god wtf
 
user142019
In C#?
 
user784668
@Zoidberg In C++
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I would call it "deprecated".
 
3:28 PM
Lies my question are beautiful.
 
user142019
Who uses new in C++.
 
Like butterflies.
 
@Zoidberg Not valid C#. System.String has no public default constructor.
 
@EtiennedeMartel It was never not broken...
 
Also, missing parantheses.
 
3:28 PM
Tasty tasty butterflies.
 
user142019
@Griffin Butterflies are ugly. Just like you and your questions.
 
user142019
@EtiennedeMartel oh right.
 
user142019
plonk_list.push_back(&Griffin);
 
@Zoidberg Then answer my input output question.
@Zoidberg And butterflies are pretty. Just like puppies are cute. I like puppies. They warm and cuddly.
 
user142019
@EtiennedeMartel I wasn't sure because of std:: missing.
 
user142019
3:30 PM
Oh well.
 
user784668
@Zoidberg plonks.push_back(std::addressof(Zoidberg)); // because list and because he had overloaded unary operator&
 
damnit
 
@EtiennedeMartel Btw, it also has no Reverse function (/cc @Bartek @ThePhd)
 
user142019
@Fanael I also overloaded std::addressof.
 
3:30 PM
if I want my code to be portable, I can't use any decent concurrency tools.
@Zoidberg Illegal.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, I know. :c
 
user142019
@DeadMG shush
 
@EtiennedeMartel BUTTERFLYYYYYY
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Is that an inside joke?
@Griffin A monarch, to be precise.
System.String has a bunch of crap in its interface, though.
 
3:32 PM
@EtiennedeMartel No. They were badgering me about me not having plans for that functionality in ogonek.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Yes. There is some blue one. I forget its name but it's really cool.
 
user784668
@EtiennedeMartel WTF are we posting Schmetterlings now?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes What? How can you! It's essential functionality!
 
Just wondering if you std::sort a vector of Objects. I think I already had this, but can you overload < for pointers?
 
Everyone needs to reverse their strings all the time. In fact, it's so important, it's a core part of any interview for a programmer job!
 
user784668
3:33 PM
@Nils No.
 
@Nils std::sort has an overload that takes a comparator.
 
user784668
@Nils Pass a lambda or something.
 
user142019
"Onybysydycikep", my random name generator seems to like the letter Y.
 
I mean bool operator < (const MyThing *rhs) const { return length < rhs->length; }
 
@EtiennedeMartel funny thing is that you probably may not use any reverse function there
 
3:34 PM
@EtiennedeMartel It's the Blue Morpho. Pretty BA butterfly.
 
And why not?
 
reverse comparator
 
Or where does the standard say so?
 
@Zoidberg what's not to like
 
I mean I figured out by now that it does not work, but not exactly why.
If you overload < also for pointers why not?
 
user142019
3:35 PM
Now "Omidak III" is a cool name for a planet.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I've been realising more and more that there's a lot of functionality that is assumed as essential "string functionality" that is either worthless or thoroughly misused or just plain broken.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Never seen that.
 
user784668
Is there a Boost.ProgramOptions-like library that's header only?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes A library of text-related utility functions could be useful, though. But not necessarily part of Ogonek's core.
 
3:36 PM
I like apples with peanutbutter.
 
@Griffin It's sad as hell.
 
@EtiennedeMartel and @Fanael WHYYYYY not?
 
@EtiennedeMartel Noo sad movies. I can't even watch the SPCA stuff without wanting to save them all.
 
Also, that one, about a kid with cancer who wants to catch a Blue Morpho before he dies.
 
@EtiennedeMartel And what would be on it? I think the most useful ones do belong in core.
 
3:38 PM
> An epilogue shows that at the next visit to the doctor, that Pete's cancer had miraculously disappeared.
Happy endings. :D
 
Why do you have to depress me. :( So much sad stuff.
 
@EtiennedeMartel If I got locked-in syndrome....
... I think I'd just kill myself.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Aside from reverse, there's ToUpper/ToLower, StartsWith/EndsWith, formatting, splitting/joining, trimming, etc.
 
Now, ToUpper / ToLower, StartsWith/EndsWith, Formatting, and both Splitting/Joining/Trimming are things I use MASSIVELY extensively.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Casing should be in core because it's intimately tied to character properties (and because there are standard specs for the algorithms).
 
3:40 PM
ah because a pointer is somehow a built-in type and you cannot overload operators for built-in types!
right?
 
@Nils Exactly.
 
Also, basic comparators and the like.
 
So operator < (const MyThing *rhs) const { return length < rhs->length; } is nonsense
 
@Nils And that's why you should supply your own function object.
 
yeah I know
 
3:40 PM
Also IndexOf
 
StartsWith and EndsWith are in the standard library/range library near you.
 
And LastIndexOf
 
Now where says C++ that pointers of any types are built-in types
 
@ThePhD You mean std::find?
 
What about std::shared_ptr that is certainly no built-in??
 
3:41 PM
Is there a std::reverse_find ?
Or do you just use std::find with reverse iterators ?
 
@ThePhD std::find(rbegin(), rend(), ...)
 
.. Wait. How do you make reverse iterators for Unicode codeunits? =[
 
(ogonek text iterators are bidirectional, right?)
 
q_q that seems hard.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Not right now, but yeah, I plan to make them under the right conditions (underlying iterators are bidi + encoding is self-synchronizing)
 
3:43 PM
Self... synchronizing?
 
IOW: You can go backwards.
 
It means that you can find the start of a multibyte sequence in O(1).
 
user142019
TIL about awesomeness.
 
UTF-8 and UTF-16 are self-synchronizing.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes really, O(N)? Not O(1)?
 
3:44 PM
@NikiC Duh, right.
 
So for shared_ptr the operators are already overloaded (I guess). But could you change that for specialisation?
 
(example for UTF-16: is this a trail surrogate? Yes - go one back -- that's the start; No - you are at the start)
 
user784668
@R.MartinhoFernandes well, O(n) where n is the length of an encoded code point :P
 
Oof.
I don't remember what a trail surrogate is. :c
0xBD00... something something.
 
@ThePhD Doesn't matter. It's a constant time test.
 
3:45 PM
... Something.
I guess for UTF8 you'd make at most 5 hop-skippities backward.
 
And for UTF32, it's just straight-aways, right?
 
@ThePhD At most 3.
Is there a way to GetLastError() in the VS debugger?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes What about those strange codepoints that get encoded into 5 or 6?
 
@ThePhD You mean none?
 
3:49 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Immediate Window or Watch Window
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, I saw it from the official algorithm thingy page doodle-mah-bobber.
 
@ThePhD Doesn't work, says GetLastError was not found :(
 
And in GCC's implementation, there's cases where they encode 5 or 6 characters.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes o.0 Your VS is on some kind of crack.
 
That's just wrong. UTF-8 has max width 4.
 
3:50 PM
... Huh. I wonder if I can find it again...
 
Hungry hungry hippos
 
Is that from Joel's?
@ScottW I knew it! Joel's article is known for being wrong on that.
 
JOEL YOU MISLED MEEE
q_q
 
The algorithm can be extended to as many bytes as you want. But there are no code points that require more than 4, so the algorithm is explicitly capped at 4.
 
Oh well.
I put breakpoints at the 5 and 6 decoders, because I was dubious.
In the past 2 months it's never happened yet, so.
@ScottW He was high?
 
3:53 PM
@ScottW Because that's what it takes to cover 32 bits. But there are only 21 to cover.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes the first byte is for Ascii, right ?
 
user784668
@R.MartinhoFernandes There are only 21 to cover now. You forgot they're planning adding 5418541748781 bits of error-checking codes.
 
error-checking codes?
 
user784668
@ScottW Last time it grew in the nineties, when they raised the limit from U+FFFF to U+10FFFF.
 
65355 to 1 million something?
 
3:55 PM
@ScottW There's about twice more space left than used right now, and we are trying really hard to fill it up by adding ancient and fictional writing systems.
 
user784668
@ThePhD yeah, but I think it'd be better if they added sarcasm markers
 
user784668
@R.MartinhoFernandes and shitty bananas
 
@Fanael But why add the error-checking codes per encoded code-units ?
 
So you could double all the characters that are in it, and there would still be plenty of space left.
@ThePhD It's a joke!
 
user784668
@ThePhD sarcasm
 
3:56 PM
.....
Woooooooooooooooooooooosh
There it went, over my head again.
 
If I inherit from something privately,
 
user784668
@ThePhD ……
 
@ThePhD Where are you from?
 
I can't override its virtual functions, can I?
 
user784668
3:58 PM
@ThePhD You can.
 
@ThePhD What happened when you tried it?
 
of course you can.
you inherited from it
 
I tried it and it's not working at all.
So I thought maybe private inheritance had something to do with it..
 
user784668
@ThePhD My crystal ball says you're hiding instead of overriding
 
I called CreateHandle in the base class' constructor,
and I overrided it in my derived class.
 
3:59 PM
Erm.
Just no.
 
No? :c
 
No virtual functions in constructors.
 
user784668
@ThePhD therein lies the problem
 
Oh.
 
user784668
@ThePhD virtual doesn't really work in construtors
 
3:59 PM
Well, that explains a lot.
 
user784668
In fact, it's one of the best ways to portably and predictably call a pure virtual.
 

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