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03:00
@ThePhD Someone else's death?
@Jueecy I had an experience some time ago. You just learn to deal with it over time, it doesn't fade away, you just learn to incorporate it.
I meant ourselves's death
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I have no idea really. For me not dying is no big deal, dying just means you don't have to put effort into living. It's a reward for living. But I don't reallt know
Oh, don't worry about that, you won't have a chance to think about it once you're dead. :P
@sehe Not much you can do about it. o_O
03:01
@llonesmiz are you going to make this a habit? I mean, you could as well lift the whole comment to an answer, and I'd be happy to expand it when I find it. If I think I'd really add something different, I'll just add my own answer — sehe 4 secs ago
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It depends on what you think happens after death
Some people will have to prepared for the knowledge they will be judged
what happens in your opinion?
^ that guy is answering each and every Spirit question. In a comment. Lately
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I don't see there is anything to accept
@sehe Are they good answers?
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03:02
Maybe trying not to regret is good?
@Insilico Yeah. He's a smart guy. And quick. Always quicker than me :)
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For me there is nothing after death
@Ell Just you wait :)
That's a shame. Should've gotten some rep.
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Heh
03:03
@Ell Then you haven't accepted it yet
@Insilico I challenged that one day. He came back with a very cryptic response
Okay.
Tell me this is shopped
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@jueecy I'm sorry in on my mobile, I can't see what message that is in response to?
@Borgleader It says "Follow @9GAG on Twitter!". I think that was not in the picture.
03:04
@Ell "I don't see there is anything to accept"
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm talking about the doll sized woman
There are crazy diseases.
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Well. I don't really know what people mean to "accept death". I can't really understand the notion
What is there to accept?
@sehe My problem is that I care too much for the rep. Feel free to make an answer out of any comment of mine that you think should be one, I'll upvote it. — llonesmiz Mar 6 at 10:31
Hehe. Found it
@Borgleader maybe she's a doll! don't be so insensitive :p
03:06
@melak47 can't be. Borg != telkitty
@Ell, that's a difficult notion. IMHO it just means to tell you a nice-ending story about your life so that you can live. People embrace religions for that.
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One second you are conscious and then when you die nothing matters because you don't know anything, you don't feel, you don't go anywhere, you don't remember
I just want to hear the story you guys tell yourself when death comes to your mind.
Yeah. I'm not sure what he means. He claims he cares too much
@Insilico That is not the opposite problem. According to him, that is his problem.
03:08
Lounge<Philosophy>
user142019
I like how quarries take bees out of beehives.
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Death isn't an issue - your life is insignificant (I'm not singling you out, you understand :P)
Wow my sentence made no sense now that I read it again
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm going to bring it to meta one day. That is, if the guy doesn't agree to post his comments as very dense answers in the future :)
@Insilico It made a lot of sense, of the confusing variety
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03:09
i think it depends on your views on life too
What I meant was that SO users bitch all the time about not getting rep or losing rep
Except for llonesmiz apparently.
@Ell, and you just deal with the fact that one day everything you are working on is just gone?
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Yeah
@Ell, why don't just end it here? the curiosity is very high in me
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There is nothing to deal with, that's just how it is. That's how I see it
03:10
Night all
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Because its too much effort to end it now :P
user142019
Bye.
Night
@Jueecy That's bullshit. You may be dead, but unless you lived in a cave your entire life the things you do affect everyone around you.
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Night @sehe
03:11
@Jueecy Nite.
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And ending it now would have adverse affects on others
@Insilico, what if you are just dreaming?
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Also I am afraid of the physiological aspects of death, e.g. the pain
@R.MartinhoFernandes Lol, left that bug open for far too long.
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But not the actual act of dying, if you understand
03:12
@Jueecy We're not bringing up solipsism in Lounge<C++>. :-P
I have no idea what the hell is going on
I may sound selfish but I think you're just created by my mind to accomplish a dream.
@CatPlusPlus That's called "life".
@CatPlusPlus I don't know either.
I'm very interested in how you see the life then.
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03:14
@Jueecy Oh yes we are 50 yo obese old bald men on the internet who try to lure little boys like you in and take advantage of you
@Jueecy How I see life?
@Telkitty, wat
@Insilico, more in how you see death
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@Jueecy if anyone here trying to talk to you, try to ignore them before soon they will start asking for your emails and real life addresses
If you're spending mental power, try spending it on something useful. Making a better C++ compilation system, for example.
Impossible
03:15
@Jueecy A ceasing of biochemical activity in an organism.
@Telkitty, I don't think you fully understood what I'm trying to say, but I appreciate your effort.
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yeah
I have a monocle therefore I have an authority
@Insilico, that's very materialistic of you
@Jueecy And that's a bad thing?
03:17
what's all this talk of death
@Insilico, no. I might understand you more than most of the people embracing religion instead.
@Insilico, yeah... I got it?
I practice religions sometimes but I'm still bad at it
@Jueecy Wow I can't read, sorry.
Death is the permanent cessation of all biological functions that sustain a living organism. Phenomena which commonly bring about death include biological aging (), predation, malnutrition, disease, suicide, murder and accidents or trauma resulting in terminal injury. Bodies of living organisms begin to decompose shortly after death. In human societies, the nature of death has for millennia been a concern of the world's religious traditions and of philosophical inquiry. This may include a belief in some kind of resurrection (associated with Abrahamic religions), reincarnation (associ...
I didn't know where else to go so I came here. What should I do if I want to suggest additions/modifications to the Stack Overflow website?
03:18
@CatPlusPlus repeat with us the prayer to the spirits of the JVM.... public static void main
hmm
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ok thanks!
@DomagojPandža, so... that answer your questions? a wiki?
It's just that when I give the Wikipedia definition of death to people they're always say "wow that's so materialistic" like it's a bad thing and I'm like "well, that's the definition, I'm sorry."
03:19
Don't be mad if people think your suggestion sucks. <3
@Jueecy It's on Wikipedia, therefore it's true. :-P
right :P
What the fuck is wrong with me? Asking about philosophy to programmers. That was a bad idea in the first place.
+1 Self-Enlightenment.
@Jueecy In Lounge<C++>, no less.
At least you didn't ask it in the PHP room. :-P
@Jueecy oi, what are you saying
@Jueecy Also, whatever conclusions you draw on death and your perception of life, please don't crash aircrafts into buildings.
What the fuck happened here two hours ago?
@Insilico Shitstorm.
user1357851
yes I need a struct, but I am using java, there is no struct in java
@Insilico it was the great culling of our time
03:25
@DomagojPandža, I swear on Allah I won't
user1357851
So I am using objects even though a struct will suffice
Welcome to Java. :3c
@Telkitty I fail to parse that sentence.
@Insilico Telkitty wants a value-type, but Java is references-only IIRC.
@ThePhD Oh Telkitty was talking about Java, okay.
user1357851
03:27
I meant I need a C like struct which holds 1 int and 2 strings
user1357851
and I can have an array of those structs ... or more specifically pointers to those structs
in (Not the) <Real> C++ Room, 7 hours ago, by JABFreeware
CCInc and I are learning C++ we hope this room gets some interest, because no one can get help through the lounge
LOL.
in (Not the) <Real> C++ Room, yesterday, by JABFreeware
@CCInc yeah. The other room "C++ Lounge" no offense to them, but you never get anything except insults from them
03:29
> For those who want to chat C++. No wait, go to the lounge. They have a helpdesk service if your not asking about C++.
in (Not the) <Real> C++ Room, 34 secs ago, by Jueecy
You guys are not even official
The your/you're error is making me twitch.
in (Not the) <Real> C++ Room, 7 secs ago, by CC Inc
BOLD TEXT IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR AWESOME
// We should chat exclusively in C++.
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@Insilico You either develop an immunity or OCD
03:30
// I second that motion.
//comment
// Can the quotes stop?
// Is there an API available?
@R.MartinhoFernandes // embrace your self, a shitload of comments are going to come
Yeah just get the fuck out already we don't care about you being offended and butthurt jesus fucking christ it's not even funny you're just plain annoying
That's for people from that room fyi
03:31
// Brace yourselves.
{ [ ( ) ] }
//I'm from every room.
// You forgot the angle brackets <>
#include "sarcasm.hpp"
// Can you template a lambda?
template<typename T> []( T arf ){ }
03:33
Hey look they fixed the your/you're thing on the (Not the) <Real> C++ Room topic.
Good for them.
@R.MartinhoFernandes syntax error there
Ok, I'll stop it right there
 return NO_MOAR;
I must say dudez, C++ is pertty coolz.
int what_is_love() {
    for(int i = 0; i < 2; ++i) {
        baby.dont_hurt_me();
    }
    return NO_MOAR;
}
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I made a custom crederntial provider.
03:36
You're all horrible
@CatPlusPlus, you are awesome instead
@Insilico I assume this is located in what_is_love() ? :)
@melak47 Just refactored it. :-P
@Jueecy I know
Fuck I forgot to put in the Person& baby parameter. Damn it.
03:38
Globals! gasp
@Insilico, it's just global, don't worry
Assume the function is written inside the class definition of class Haddaway.
user1357851
@Insilico Error: NO_MOAR undefined
#define NO_MOAR 0 // there you go
@Telkitty Also assume static const int NO_MOAR = 0; is inside the same class Haddaway somewhere.
03:40
Just branded the REAL C++ room.
in (Not the) <Real> C++ Room, 8 hours ago, by JABFreeware
lets get some reall C++ programmers in here
Like if there were any
What are reall C++ programmers?
Reallocated?
Everyone likes my monocle my monocle is great
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I'm imaginaryl, baby.
03:42
@DomagojPandža typedef reall double long; // long real number
Lol
Switch the order of dem parameters.
using reall = long double;
My double long will be more than your real registers can handle, babycakes~
03:44
@ScottWesterfeld I'm picturing this game as a first person colonoscopy game.
@ThePhD, god please no
My double long is bigger
@Jueecy :D
there we go
Have you guys ever organized a IRL meeting?
There's people from too many places.
03:46
This isn't real life?
Is this just fantasy?
@DomagojPandža, freddy STAHP
Caught in a landslide?
@R.MartinhoFernandes Lounge<C++> regulars span the globe, almost literally.
I met some regulars here in Berlin, and some others met in London, too, but that was it.
If I get rich enough I'll try to bring everyone together.
Probably to berlin. I better practice my German. =[
03:47
@DomagojPandža No escape from reality
@ThePhD, we are waiting then :)
@ThePhD "Practice"?
Or we could just show up on Etienne's doorstep and crash at his place.
Fuck that I'm not going half across the world
"Practice" as in "Jesus christ learn dear lord why does everything sound so ANGRY" ;~;
in (Not the) <Real> C++ Room, 1 min ago, by robbert229
I use differing types of streams, in streams, and out streams. It's more like java, which is my favorite language. If u need a refrence to fstream -> http://www.cplusplus.com/reference/fstream/fstream/
@Jueecy I'll just leave that alone.
Yeah we don't care

Teenage Programmers Chatroom

A chat room for everybody! No age restriction, but be mature. ...
wat?
03:49
DOOM3 source code > 360kloc T_T (of which, probably 50% of it was written by carmack)
@DomagojPandža ikr
@R.MartinhoFernandes I actually had to look that up. I'm getting too old for this.
@Jueecy They would of course use a webs.com account.
@Borgleader Mine's 480k and counting (over 4 years). And I'm not proud of the size, though. It's smaller than the UE codebase with 1.1M+ loc, I hear that thing's ugly.
The best is to achieve most with as little loc as possible.
@DomagojPandža I presume you heard the story of a programmer who wrote -2000 lines or something like that for this weekly update thing he had to write for a company
03:52
Yeah, I'm hoping to have as few klocs as possible. I'm just looking around older engines to have an idea of how they work
user1357851
#include <everything_we_need.h++>
int main() {
    do_what_it_takes();
}
@Insilico I do that often, refactoring to reduce is really fun. :D
@DomagojPandža My plan is start working on my own engine this summer. I want to 1up my teach. He wrote his own engine.
03:53
I'm going to sleep bb
Night, cat!
@CatPlusPlus Good night.
@CatPlusPlus think I should too. been up since yesterday morning
@CatPlusPlus cya
03:54
well, I guess now it's the day before yesterday's morning :S
in Teenage Programmers Chatroom, 30 secs ago, by CC Inc
@Jueecy Go back to the troll corner.
They sent me back here, what do?
@Jueecy You're not going to troll us, are you?
go back in disguise
@Insilico, of course not
@Jueecy Then you can stay here. :-)
03:55
:)
It's almost five o'clock! Time for tea!
lol, yeah, what are you still doing up :)
@Jueecy oh no, philosophy questions again? D:
He is living Escape From the City.
@R.MartinhoFernandes, hi there neighbor
@melak47, where?
asking a robot what he lives? :p
03:59
Mmm
Dat 6-parameter function!
@ThePhD Psh. CreateWindowEx() has like 10 parameters.
Thank god I'm not a Windows programmer then! :D
Actually 12 parameters.
@Insilico Damn. o_O
Fuck! It's 5 and I have an exam tomorrow.
04:00
Of course I wrote a wrapper library for parts of the Windows API so I DGAF.
@Insilico, Don't Give A Fuck?
A lot of Microsoft APIs have functions with two-figure parameters.
@Jueecy Yes.
Fuck Give a Don't!
@DomagojPandža buf, sz. :D
@melak47 Ow, that was mean.
04:04
@R.MartinhoFernandes I know right? people should be more sensitive about robots being lifeless hunks of metal :p
@Jueecy I live in Berlin, btw.
@R.MartinhoFernandes, yeah I saw your profile :)
Berlin is fucking awesome.
Why is that?
04:06
Because I like it! :P
TIL that it costs $5,000 to get a 16-bit number from the USB-IF people.
....
Wat.
@Insilico Vendor IDs?
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yup.
Which I'm sure it's chump change for companies but holy crap.
04:08
You can borrow one for lower costs.
Why do I need the Vendor ID, again?
Some companies license their own ID for free.
Allright, sleeptime cya lads
@ThePhD You don't. You can just use the VID that comes with the USB controllers in microcontrollers.
So it's only if you manufacture your own USB stuff and want people to identify your shit?
04:09
@ThePhD Yes. Although consumers aren't going to care if you used Microchip's or Atmel's or Silicon Lab's or FTDI's VID to be honest.
Welp.
I'll just jack Atmel's shit then.
In fact a lot of those companies will hand you a VID/PID pair under their VID if you ask.
Hope they don't mind. <3
Or just some unused ones?
@ThePhD As long as you use their shit, you should be fine.
(Like Microchip won't like it if you used Microchip's VID on an Atmel part, for example)
04:11
Lol
"YOU'RE DECIEVING THE PEOPLE!"
Yeah, I just use the default VID/PID pair that came with this FTDI USB controller chip I got. Honestly your users will not care.
@ThePhD Actually now I think about it you don't need your own VID/PID pair if you want to just identify your stuff.
It's just if you want to write a custom driver I think.
Now if I was inventing USB or something like it for the first time I would've just used GUIDs instead of this VID/PID crap. Of course I won't make any money that way. :-P
Of course.
Gotta line dem pockets.
Everybody's gotta eat.
@ThePhD I can just charge a membership fee to join my hypothetical implementers forum. :-P
Mmmm.
Membership fee.
I wonder if you can ask for a specific VID
like 0xBEEF or 0xABCD or 0xCAFE
04:17
@Insilico "But wait, there's more! For a nominal fee of $2000 dollars, you can choose the available VID yourself! ..."
Aww.
I missed what Jerry said. :c
@ThePhD No loss -- was just looking for a VtC, and deleted when the question was closed.
Ah.
Hokay. :D
So how's life?
@ThePhD Painful right now -- I have a horrible headache. Just finished a project for work though, which kind of counterbalances the headache at least a little.
Aww. :c
How are you doing?
04:31
Drink some water and get some sleep, yo.
@JerryCoffin I'm alrightish -- While I have succeeded beyond my wildest dreams in getting 3 professional 3D modelers to work with me on their downtime (and they are damn-good), I had only have them recruited to my project for 2 months before the deadline (that was when people started finally biting) so we couldn't make the ImagineCup deadline exactly.
Thankfully, there are 2 more competitions -- one smaller than the Microsoft ImagineCup, and one MUCH bigger than the Microsoft ImagineCup -- that come much later, giving us some real time to make something worth seeing rather than scrambling to his the ImagineCup deadline, which is a good thing.
@ThePhD I'd have to agree -- better to let it bake 'til done (so to speak) than try to show something half-baked.
It's also given me time to smell out 1 2D programmer and 1-2 2D artists for another project as well, but I gotta go fishin' deep for people who can make this one work.
user1357851
Oo my style - half baked projects everywhere
@Telkitty I've had enough half-baked bread for a lifetime, I think. :P
user1357851
yes, as long as others say they are bread, then they are bread! not doughs :p
04:35
@ThePhD I forget -- was this the 3D platformer, or was that somebody else?
@JerryCoffin No, that was me. I'm still doing it, and it's coming along great. We started discussing game feel and I have a physics engine in my hands, so now it's applying it after I get this fast 2D renderer to be alive, and I kick this Deferred Renderer into shape.
@ThePhD Ah, that's almost amazing -- my memory actually worked for once!
@JerryCoffin I know, I was genuinely surprised for a moment! :P
You might be more young and spritely than everybody says.
@ThePhD This is probably closer to the weatherman who (when he retired) could honestly claim he'd accurately predicted every local storm for more than 30 years (carefully not mentioning the fact that he predicted storms all the time).
@JerryCoffin Hehe. Say a bunch of stuff; one of 'em will be true eventually!
04:46
@ThePhD ...and if you say it on SO, you can watch the rep roll in.
Or it'll earn you downvotes when users get kicked/banned from SO. q_q
I'm still hurting about that. q_q y people i halps haf 2 leeeeeeeev
@ThePhD Yes, but it takes 5 downvotes to counteract one up-vote, so unless you're consistently terrible, you'll almost always end up gaining rep.
I wonder if there's a "you're terrible" badge...
user1357851
badges are useless
Well, I think I'm going to go get some sleep. Later.
04:51
Niiiiiiiiiiiiight.
user1357851
cya

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