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user142019
10:10 PM
I want to go to London.
 
10:22 PM
@Zoidberg Why ?!
 
user142019
Because in my opinion, London is a nice city.
 
user142019
> Here, the client -- usually a desktop application written in Visual Basic, PowerBuilder, or another 4GL language -- interacts directly with the database through SQL statements.
 
user142019
What is a 4GL language?
 
user142019
A crappy one?
 
declarative like HTML, I think.
3GLs are e.g. C++, 5GL is stuff like PROLOG
but I don't remember much about 4GL
 
user142019
10:28 PM
Visual Basic seems more similar to C++ than to PROLOG to me.
 
@Mysticial It's called "Stack Overflow", btw.
Not "Stackoverflow" or any other combination
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit oh whateva...
:)
 
is there a mod here with whom i can please kindly speak?
 
Hello, World!
 
user142019
Transactions could relatively easily be implemented if you ensure only one is run at a time.
 
user142019
10:31 PM
Using a queue.
 
except you'd have hideously slow performance
 
user142019
But this seems fslow.
 
user142019
Optimistic locking shouldn't be too difficult either.
 
user142019
Don't use a singleton and problem solved. — Zoidberg 34 secs ago
 
> This elephant is bad ass. If I accidently stepped in her poop, I would put it on my resume!
 
user142019
10:36 PM
Problem is that the client may perform side-effects between the begin of the transaction and the commit. The side-effects may need to be performed multiple times when optimistic locking is used and the transaction is re-executed because the data has changed in-between.
 
@Rapptz Brilliant
 
@sehe Isn't it? :)
 
@Zoidberg fslow?
 
user142019
fucking slow
 
user142019
If I prepend f to an adverb I mean "fucking".
 
10:40 PM
@Rapptz Yeah lovely, even with all caveats and limitations. How we would rave if our pet animal could do something even remotely similar
 
I wondered if that's what you meant...still had to ask ;-)
 
btw sehe
screw you and coshman, I compiled Wide's hello, world today
 
> not that interesting.. i've seen elephants paint better than that
lol.
 
user142019
@DeadMG great.
 
user142019
Time to release 0.0.1-a. :P
 
10:43 PM
lol
actually on 0.2 now
or 0.3, really
 
user142019
oh xd
 
user142019
Cool.
 
I fixed it so that you could chain operator<< calls, and also that you could use multiple statements in one function (epic awesum, I know)
 
user142019
Make ; overloadable.
 
no
 
user142019
10:44 PM
:(
 
@Rapptz yeah I saw that too
 
@DeadMG lol
Make operator-->
 
what?
 
it was just funny
 
also no
^^
 
10:46 PM
try seeing if it parses it correctly then
 
@DeadMG That's your error reporting thingie indicating an error in your post
Yes. Somebody knows how to do it. If you could please be a little less vague we might even show you how. This is not a code-writing site, as you know. Perhaps a SSCCE will help. As well as a good reason to use Lex here. — sehe 2 days ago
^ Oh well, somebody is not in a hurry.
 
user142019
Hmm.
 
user142019
Using LLVM for compiling regexen.
 
Wut
 
user142019
Would be nice.
 
10:49 PM
No it wouldn't
 
user142019
Or having the compiler precompile std::regex when the regex is known at compile-time.
 
It's the definition of overblown
@Zoidberg Boost Xpressive
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A: Using Boost.Spirit to extract certain tags/attributes from HTML

seheOut of curiosity I redid my regex sample based on Boost Xpressive, using statically compiled regexes: sehe@natty:/tmp$ time ./expressive < bench > /dev/null real 0m2.146s user 0m2.110s sys 0m0.030s Interestingly, there is no discernable speed difference when using the dynamic regu...

 
user142019
I wonder whether there are books on the implementation of database transactions.
 
I'm sure there are. But the idea is quite simple, really. Transactions become hard if they (a) need to scale (b) need to be distributed (c) to a lesser degree: have dependencies
 
user142019
The only ideas I understand are queues and optimistic locking, and of the latter I don't understand how is dealt with side-effects if there needs to be a retry on failure. :|
 
10:57 PM
Optimistic locking is really orthogonal to transactions (other than, it reduces lock contention and risk of deadlock when you are using transactions)
 
@Zoidberg I don't get it
 
user142019
 
user142019
Those white stripes on the edges of the black bars.
 
Oh that's useful
Not
@Zoidberg Also, the side effects are strictly not a part of the transaction. This is usual: e.g. if you had a procedure on the database layer that needed to do logging, the logging is usually done outside of the transaction (avoiding lock contention, and avoiding the problem of error logging being gone on transaction rollback)
 
user142019
11:01 PM
One thing I really like about the music app is that when you tap the back button multiple times quickly and afterwards accidentally hit the Store button, it does nothing (as opposed to taking you to the iTunes Store, which would be fannoying).
 
@Zoidberg Well, the store button cropping up in the exact same spot as the back button is a huge UIX fail, IMO
(allthough marketeers and click path optimizers would think it's brilliant)
 
user142019
@sehe But they fixed it by having a delay after going backwards. :P
 
Where's the ape these days. Do it just happen to miss him? /cc @sbi
 
user142019
Though maybe that's default on iOS and not specific to the music app, which wouldn't surprise me either.
 
@Zoidberg No need to fix the wrong problem IMO
@Zoidberg That would be pretty win. Unless it was unconditional (in which case it would just spell "Artificially unresponsive UI"). But I guess it's feasible to work out that a click happened in the same area, shortly before a recent (layout) change of the active view
Now that I plinked an ape, I remember I promised myself to go to bed at midnight...
 
11:06 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit i chose to let the experts quote the spec. — Johannes Schaub - litb 1 min ago
 
user142019
@sehe You plinked @sbi and then @JohannesSchaub-litb comes in.
 
user142019
Odfjell.
 
user142019
Odfail.
 
:)
 
user142019
Now I'm getting better in Haskell I start to miss its type system in other languages.
 
11:11 PM
in JavaScript, 6 mins ago, by Benjamin Gruenbaum
CQ.CreateFromUrl("https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/K3BN-LLJ")[".result-data tr"].ToDictionary(x => x.Cq().Find("td").Eq(0).Text().Trim(), x=> x.Cq().Find("td").Eq(1).Text().Trim());
^ someone is feeding our Perl leech new wisdom
 
user142019
OTHER LANGUAGES Y U UNRESTRICTED SIDE-EFFECTS.
 
Because: POWERRRRR
 
user142019
@sehe That's C#.
 
Ell
Because side effects are logical :P
 
user142019
Depends on how you look at it.
 
Ell
11:13 PM
Is slenderman on linux? I forgot
 
@sehe oh no! :(
 
@Zoidberg I knows.
 
user142019
@sehe Me too.
 
user142019
 
@Zoidberg Great. We have reached zen.
 
11:14 PM
man Johannes is mean
 
user142019
@sehe Equilibrium.
 
You must be new here
 
user142019
 
@Zoidberg Nah. That's just on translation party
 
My default impression of someone shouldn't be negative
 
11:15 PM
Poor @sehe. There are humans with souls and some of them are developers toO!
 
@Rapptz Agreed. But the two aren't mutually exclusive
 
@Rapptz why am i mean!
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit i chose to let the experts quote the spec. — Johannes Schaub - litb 11 mins ago
mean :(
 
@Rapptz huh
 
It hurt my feelings.
It's a comment on my post.
 
user142019
11:16 PM
@sehe quite active on Twitter though.
 
i don't know where to find the text
 
That's just great irony. And sense of timing. Play the waves
 
user142019
@JohannesSchaub-litb in the standard.
 
@Zoidberg Holmes :) You know what triggered my question
 
i have no idea where to look. others can do it better
 
user142019
11:17 PM
One of the few thousand pages!
 
@Rapptz BTW cheer up. it was just a joke :)
 
user142019
Table of contents!
 
user142019
Index!
 
Section 14.1 defies most (some?) of the things about template expansions
 
bah, I’m bothered by Discourse … I think it’s beyond awesome but I have absolutely no use for it at the moment so it kind of passes by me
 
user142019
11:18 PM
I think I'm gonna work on Skullfuck again.
 
table of <strike>cumtents</strike>contents
 
Zoidberg, seriously, how many projects do you have?
8
 
user142019
Sharper is getting boring, as is Zoidlang.
 
@JohannesSchaub-litb That's a bad joke
 
@DeadMG ahaha. I have a lot but definitely not that many.
 
11:19 PM
@Zoidberg I can promise you, Skullfuck will be getting boring before you can say "Friday"
 
what even is Skullfuck?
 
user142019
@DeadMG Bender, Projectile, Skullfuck, Sharper, Zoidlang, Ximerr, Sharpcalc, object-vault.
 
user142019
@sehe Friday.
 
@Zoidberg Hexapode, sixth incarnation, cpp-book, ...
 
Ell
I thought skullfuckig Was when you tucked the eye sockets of someone's head?
 
user142019
11:19 PM
@sehe Hexapoda is part of Projectile.
 
@Zoidberg Oh, you should be in marketing
 
wtf even is projectile or skullfuck... or Ximerr..?
 
user142019
Projectile is a project management application.
 
See, marketing
 
user142019
Skullfuck is an object database.
 
Ell
11:23 PM
ximmer is wm?
 
user142019
Ximerr is top-secret.
 
user142019
But kinda similar to Tumblr. xD
 
Screw side-effects. Gimme purity already.
I was curious what other sentences would combine "Screw" and "Purity"
 
user142019
lol
 
^ NSFW
 
user142019
11:24 PM
@sehe the screw is made of out pure steel. :|
 
@Zoidberg Oh, in that context: books.google.nl/…
 
user142019
@sehe it's so agile.
 
Ell
And web 2.0
 
@Zoidberg Yeah. You sell vapor-ware. You just wait for the customer to come on-site
 
Ell
It's collaborative and innovative
 
user142019
11:26 PM
> We eat iron, we shit the chain.
 
@sehe by the way, i tried to get lews's attention for you
@sehe you're welcome
 
So, I started playing Darksiders.
 
@user1690130 ... Aw. Well. That's helpful
 
user142019
@Ell The Collaborative, Innovative and Agile Projectile Enterprise Edition™
 
I swear I was good
 
11:28 PM
@LewsTherin meet sehe. @sehe meet lews
 
:O :S
 
user142019
™___™
 
These kids sure know how to annoy someone. They must be pretty bored
 
user142019
Which ones?
 
@Zoidberg me, obvi
 
11:32 PM
Lulz, I didn't do anything..
 
oh no. the whole revolve around user again . .
 
No effort at all
 
@sehe you are welcome
 
@sehe what did Lews do?
 
@JohanLarsson I don't know. You might ask him. I haven't seen him all night. Seems Yentl was trying to forcefully introduce us, but why that was, is another mystery
 
11:35 PM
ok
 
I'm Yentl now?
 
user142019
Just remembered, I also have another project gathr.io.
 
@LewsTherin Read AMoL yet?
 
No :( I don't think I will be doing so far good while :(
 
@user1690130 Google is your friend. Poetic license
 
11:38 PM
@LewsTherin wat, y not?
 
@sehe i'm not google' friend
 
@DeadMG Ridiculous excuse, but working on my final year project and other modules. Leaving little time to enjoy the book properly.
 
oic
 
Ell
@zoid do you find names to write projects to instead of vice versa? :P
 
user142019
WTF do you mean?
 
Ell
11:40 PM
It sounds Like you find a good project name before finding A project :P
 
user142019
:P
 
Ell
As in, "gathr sounds cool! But hmm I need a library to go with it. Ahh gathr.io will do, I guess I need to write an io library now"
 
@DeadMG Yeah, the sad thing will be my late (possibly) arrival to any WoT related discussion.
 
Ell
Nahh, I'm only joshing with you
 
user142019
It was intended to be a website where you can find open-source projects to work on.
 
user142019
11:43 PM
But like all of my projects, it was doomed to fail.
 
lol
you should see my Wide semantic analyzer and code generator.
it's the biggest fucking mess ever
 
user142019
@DeadMG Well post a link.
 
Ell
I want to see It
 
hang on, let me commit and push
 
Ell
And zoid your projects aren't doomed to fail, programming is difficult.
 
user142019
11:44 PM
It's about motivation, not programming.
 
Ell
Despite what you may think ;)
Motivation is part of programming
Just like working in a team is
Imho, but then again I don't know anything
 
user142019
Man.
 
user142019
Why did I delete all my CoF albums.
 
hmm, I committed about 600 lines or so of completely redundant commented-out code.
oh well
 
user142019
xD
 
11:50 PM
@DeadMG throw std::runtime_error("Fuck!");
 
ah yes
 
user142019
I always do that too.
 
I added that because VS wouldn't break on the end of the scope
unless there's an executable line there
so I had to write something
 
really like the simplicity of that one
 
user142019
assert(false);
 
user142019
11:53 PM
Zoidlang has unreachable statement which triggers UB when executed. xD
 
LLVM has an unreachable instruction.
 
user142019
What does it do?
 
no idea
presumably, in debug mode, if you reach it it cries, and with opts on, they optimize on that basis.
oh, I also have two "Initial Commit"s
 
user142019
lol
 
Wow, Zoidberg has a lot of projects.
 
user142019
11:58 PM
xD
 
man
I checked my Initial Commit and some of the code there is kinda disgusting.
by "some" I mean "virtually all".
 
@ThePhD none complete
 

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