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11:00 PM
@Zoidberg That's not a backup. It's a local copy
 
¬_¬ backup drive... locally mounted...
 
user142019
He used it to back-up his files so it was a back-up drive.
 
user142019
:P
 
if you can walk from your live copy to your backup, it's not a backup
 
Fair enough. It slipped my semantic analysis
 
user142019
11:02 PM
> To reproduce this bug, install Ubuntu and issue the "sudo rm -rf /" command from a terminal.
 
user142019
haha
 
@thecoshman so where should I put my backups? a remote location thats completely inaccessible? so how do I get to them if I really do need them ._.
 
I must code harder.
DeadMG's renderer is lightyears ahead of me.
 
@ThePhD also faster, stronger, better, ...
 
@ThePhD It is?
mine is really kind of basic.
 
11:03 PM
@DeadMG Just look at how much stuff is in there!
It's beautiful. ;~;
 
user142019
Hmm.
 
yeah, it can render some geometry
 
@melak47 if only there was some way of interconnecting computers into some sort of network, some sort of internetwork network. Shame, such a thing is a pipe dream
 
user142019
Putting a file named -i in a directory and using rm *. I should try this.
 
user142019
Meh - gets sorted last.
 
11:05 PM
what about it is so much more advanced than yours?
 
but a local mirror is still better then a single copy of stuff
 
@thecoshman so if I really need my backup...I have to wait forever to download it. yay ._.
 
user142019
I put all my shit on Bitbucket or GitHub.
 
@DeadMG For one, it looks like the engine has culling, which is something I don't have just quite yet in mine (though I do have Frustrums and Triangles a plenty of Ray and Plane triangle detection).
 
@ThePhD Indeed it does have frustum culling.
it also has proper RTS unit selection
 
11:07 PM
Q___Q
I'M SO FAR BEHIIIND
Must code fassteerrr.
 
what are you guys talking about
 
dude, frustum culling is simple enough
just steal my code if you want
 
user142019
I have never really been interested in 3D graphics.
 
@melak47 yes and no. you should have it tired. if your house burns down, all the mirrors in the world will not save your data
 
@Zoidberg 2D is where its at anyways.
 
11:09 PM
so, I noticed kyrostat reared it's head again :P
 
user142019
2D is fine.
 
@thecoshman Yes, it has.
 
user142019
If I want to do 3D graphics, I want a 3D monitor.
 
I've been slowly but surely bastardizing the original code.
 
user142019
As in, a hologram projector.
 
11:09 PM
The new checkin is going to be completely unrecognizable.
@Zoidberg They have those, but they cost millions.
 
I thought that my original code was much superior
 
user142019
//care give me millions.
 
And probably a hell of a lot of technical expertise to use / setup.
 
@Zoidberg Just use rm -- *
 
user142019
C# y u Unicode identifiers.
 
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11:10 PM
It's ridiculous.
 
@thecoshman tired?!
 
@Zoidberg nah. It's modern. And very handy for obfuscation
 
@Zoidberg What do you mean?
 
my ability work through problems has drained very rapidly. I used to be able to spend weeks working away on a problem, no I struggle to make it a few seconds before I give up
 
@ThePhD i think the identifiers may no longer be "CLR Compliant" (meaning: interop with other languages could become hairy)
 
11:12 PM
Oh.
 
Ell
What's wrong with unicode identifiers?
 
@sehe oh boy, robot's functions would be exclusively bananas. maybe some pile-of-poo s, too
 
@melak47 spelling fail, I meant the word that is some what similar in meaning to 'levels'
 
user142019
@ThePhD var \u0066oobar = 42;
 
That's right, C#'s source code I think is now natively UTF16 or something.
 
11:12 PM
@thecoshman tiered? :D
 
user142019
Or using ØMQ;. ~_~
 
@melak47 probably :P
 
Well, it's not like you're running C# code through anything but a C# compiler.
 
@melak47 Why? Do you think the robot prefers obscure coding style?
 
There's no need for C# to interop to other places.
 
user142019
11:13 PM
I want C# REPL in Sharper.
 
@ThePhD Wut
@Zoidberg Go ahead. Doooo eeeet
 
@sehe no, but he likes unicode bananas
 
@ThePhD try to avoid committing huge changes that take ages to work though. Aim to commit lots of small changes regularly. The benefits of doing the latter are many
 
user142019
@sehe but it's so moeilijk!
 
Sure. But not in his code
@Zoidberg faalangst
 
user142019
11:14 PM
:(
 
user142019
I need lexer and parser first.
 
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Then come semantical analyzer and of course codegen.
 
user142019
For which I'll use LLVM.
 
@thecoshman oh, also:
 
@sehe I mean, Unicode support in C# is not a bad thing. Mostly you'd never run C# source code through anything but csc.exe .
 
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11:15 PM
And then the standard library. ;_;
 
That'd be great. You could show the puppy how to achieve things, that would be a monumental reversal of expectations.
 
@melak47 zooom
 
@Zoidberg You should be able to leverage Mono sources
 
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@sehe hmm that may be possibru.
 
@thecoshman oh god, yes that is a litle huge
 
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11:16 PM
Oh fuck I also need to implement a runtime.
 
@ThePhD I didn't say it was a bad thing
 
user142019
With a GC. xD
 
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Ah well, will see.
 
user142019
Want a parser first.
 
@melak47 huh?
 
11:17 PM
@thecoshman huh?
 
What on earth does "a little huge" signify
 
Parser Lexer a go-go!
 
user142019
This is funny in C#:
 
@melak47 can you translate this to English please "oh god, yes that is a litle huge"
 
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public @parti\u0061l class foo { }
 
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11:18 PM
Because partial is an identifier. T_T
 
@thecoshman no.
what did you mean by zoom?
 
@melak47 fuck you then :P
@melak47 the sound of that 'joke' flying right over my head
so, what's the deal with kyrostat, people starting over or something?
 
not wholly sure
but I'd be happy to lend my creative expertise, if the project is restarting
 
@ThePhD fancies himself a bit of a necrocoder and decided to defile our wonderful window code base :3
 
@Zoidberg That wouldn't compile. Right. Even if @parti\u0061l named a type, the class keyword would trip the parser up
 
11:20 PM
I am not defiling it!
 
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@sehe It should.
 
I am simplifying and pretty-fying it.
 
knowing you, I doubt it's any simpler or prettier ^^
 
@DeadMG well I have basically just conceded to working on a windowing library rather then a game per se, if you catch my meaning
 
But it'll work better, faster, and stronger than ever before.
 
11:21 PM
@ThePhD functionality needs to be there first :P
 
indeed
 
user142019
@sehe a type?
 
@ThePhD ¬_¬ have you actually seen the list of features we have so far?
 
@thecoshman I've seen the list of features you've implemented.
 
user142019
partial is used for partial classes.
 
11:21 PM
@thecoshman maek windoe
 
Features of Kyrostat so far
- open a window
that is all
 
that list?
 
@Zoidberg public SomeIdentifier class foo {} isn't legal anyway
 
user142019
partial is an exception.
 
@Zoidberg no shit. But @parti\u0061l is not. It's just an identifier, like you said
 
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11:22 PM
partial isn't a keyword.
 
context-sensitive keyword?
 
user142019
At least, not in ECMA C# 4.0. :P
 
@Zoidberg Yes it is. It's a context sensitive keyword
 
@ThePhD really? because if you are going to spend time on it, it would much more appreciated if you helped implement functionality rather then reworking things
 
@thecoshman I'm going to be implement stuff too. I'm just helping with the WIndowing stuff too. :D
going to be implementing*
Today, on Derpin' With English ...
 
11:25 PM
@ThePhD by re-writting things? I not opposed to better code being provided, but I would rather get initial code first
 
Hokay, fiine. D:
 
it would be nice to have a functional windowing system rather then an amazingly efficient pop up
 
@thecoshman pop you have mail!
 
also, have you actually done anything? because I see nothing on bitbucket
 
I'd really rather see basic unit control and simple geometry rendering.
 
11:26 PM
@DeadMG Caaan't do that without a window and a OpenGL GraphicsContext
 
yes and no
 
but we have that :)
 
@thecoshman I have. I've just never checked it in because it's not working, and my baseline is to at least have stuff working before I check it in.
 
@ThePhD then you are probably attempting too much between commits. besides, it prevents others from seeing activity, leading to people losing faith in any progress
 
Oh. Well then, uh.
I guess I'll commit something to my branch then.
Yay, broken branch~
Btw I've abandoned all hope at making scons work for me.
 
11:29 PM
you have your own fork for a reason
so you can break it all you want
 
scons wasn't all that hard to get working for me
 
and what have you done to scons? as painful as it maybe, it should be fine as long as you are not trying to add libraries or anything
 
get python
run script
but you even get weird path separators, and nothing works :/
 
I thought python takes care of path separators?
 
@thecoshman idk. his output is all gobbledygooked
 
11:31 PM
Yeah, I don't understand it either..
 
really? I've seen nothing :P
 
cat is the scons expert
 
@ThePhD show him
 
@DeadMG well :P he put it in place, but I think he has wiped his hands of it all :P
 
lol
 
11:32 PM
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: ITT: A lobster sits bewildered, context sensitive keywords shocked the system [c++] [c++11] [c++-faq] [no-helpdesk]
 
wtf, no angry-puppies tag?
RAEG
 
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Wth?
puppy there are no templates in C
lmao
 
huh, so who, besides the robot, is a unicode 'expert'?
 
user142019
In Vim can I make arrow down key move the cursor to a specific column on the next line?
 
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Temporarily.
 
11:34 PM
@Rapptz The OP clearly states that he wants the above rewritten in C.
 
@thecoshman I've seen his unicode boxes on multiple occasions. I think that qualifies? :)
 
shitty question tbh
 
@melak47 I am not doubting the robots knowledge of unicode, I am asking who else does
 
@thecoshman Does that means we can ditch the scons and set up platform-dependent build systems? (Visual Studio for Windows, XCode/Sublime Text 2/whathtefuck for MacOS, whatever you VIM junkies use for Linux) ?
 
@thecoshman I meant...that qualifies me for the "expert" title :P
 
11:36 PM
@Rapptz Also a dupe.
 
@ThePhD not really :P
 
@ThePhD there really is no guarantee it will even compile with VC++. As soon as anyone steps outside of its comfort zone with a template alias or something...boom!
 
apart from you, scons works
 
Guess I'll just beat my system into submission.
 
all I've heard about scons is constant bitching
 
11:37 PM
BRING IT ON, SCOOOONS.
 
hmm
 
if we where to replace it, it would have to be with another cross platform system
 
@Rapptz but it just werks
for other people
 
I have a giant great big semicolon where logic should be.
 
@melak47 yeah, we have no desire to use a VC++ subset
@DeadMG try a colon
 
11:38 PM
lol
            // This is the missing bit.
            for(auto&& x : fun->statements)
                ;
don't think grammatically legal in that situation
 
why not?
 
user142019
Why not?
 
because the only use for a colon at block scope is to introduce a label, and that would require an identifier
 
@DeadMG indeed... perhaps a comma
 
user142019
Ohh.
 
11:40 PM
1 min ago, by DeadMG
don't think grammatically legal in that situation
 
user142019
Two semicolons!
 
lol
 
@DeadMG ¬_¬ maybe you need to just flip the table?
 
well, that would certainly be grammatically legal, but I don't think it would implement any logic :P
mb
 
user142019
inline void todo() { throw std::runtime_error{"not yet implemented"}; }
 
11:41 PM
oh, I have tentative plans of heading to England towards the end of March
 
Does auto&& in a range-based for resolve to either & or const& depending on what you use it for?
 
if meet up be desired, it can arranged
 
@AndreiTita It is the same as T&&.
 
@DeadMG I won't
 
user142019
C# has so many keywords.
 
11:44 PM
I'll key your word!
 
I might actually do some kyrostat stuff over the weekend. But my work on it has become so slow and stuttered that I basically spend some time (re)working out exactly what is currently wrong, get bored and leave it another month or two
 
@Zoidberg And then there are the keywords that it hasn't, but other .NET languages do. You can't use them and still be CLR compliant
 
user142019
Fuckkkkk.
 
user142019
Stupid lexer. :P
 
Okay. Who's the target?
Oh. Not my thing
 
user142019
11:46 PM
// Code: `public`. Result:
unexpected "u"
expecting "params"
 
@Zoidberg that's very, very, very optional
 
user142019
Huh?
 
@Zoidberg Params is never a mandatory keyword. So you could never have lexing fail with expecting "params" unless your productions are wrong
 
any hoops
night folks
 
user142019
No no. I have a keyword lexer and the keywords are in alphabetic order.
 
11:48 PM
Unless "params" wasn't meant as a literal, but the quoting suggests it did
 
user142019
It sees p so it automatically picks the first keyword of the list that starts with a p and expects that. :P
 
fail
 
user142019
No, not a literal.
 
@Zoidberg So? The problem is expecting a keyword. It could be a typename or alias
 
Bleh
 
user142019
11:49 PM
It can't.
 
Even with pageant open, I still have to give my password to do authentication to my repos. =[
 
@Zoidberg Clearly it is a literal. I didn't mean a (C#) string literal. I meant, a terminal token
 
user142019
oh xd
 
user142019
I'm using Parsec.
 
11:50 PM
@ThePhD It's not using (Tortoise)PLink.exe then
 
@AndreiTita The vector is non-const, so what you expect?
 
user142019
Okay fixed that.
 
user142019
Left "Program.cs" (line 1, column 27):
unexpected end of input
expecting "\\u", "\\U" or " "
 
user142019
XD
 
You seem to be right on track
 
user142019
11:52 PM
Fixed.
 
@DeadMG Meh, nevermind.
 
Hokay, I think I got it...
 
user142019
Left "Program.cs" (line 1, column 15):
unexpected ' '
expecting "abstract", "as", "base", "bool", "break", "byte", "case", "catch", "char", "checked", "class", "const", "continue", "decimal", "default", "delegate", "do", "double", "else", "enum", "explicit", "extern", "event", "false", "finally", "fixed", "float", "for", "foreach", "goto", "if", "implicit", "in", "int", "interface", "internal", "is", "lock", "long", "namespace", "new", "null", "object", "operator", "out", "override", "params", "private", "protected", "public", "readonly", "ref", "return", "sbyte", "sealed", "short", "sizeof
 
user142019
lololololol
 
diagnostics are on par with clang
 
11:56 PM
@Zoidberg helpful error message is helpful
 
user142019
It's more helpful when the context is narrowed.
 
@Zoidberg unexpected whitespace, expected <something> ?
 
o hey, a wild Nikita appears
 
user142019
Parsec does this automatically.
 
Yeah. That seems like a bit of a problem, really
 
user142019
11:57 PM
It is a problem now, because I parse this as many (keyword <|> identifier).
 
That's why PHP drops the "expecting" part if there are more than three possible tokens :)
@sehe hey there :) how's it going?
 
@NikiC Which is 99% of the time
@NikiC Still alive
 
user142019
But when the context is narrowed, say when I expect a specific keyword or one of specific keywords, the list is much shorter and much more helpful.
 
IME saying what the lexer expected is hardly ever helpful. The most helpful bit is saying what the lexer/parser did not expect
 
@sehe nah. quite common that the scope is sufficiently narrow to be three or less :)
 
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11:59 PM
It does.
 

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