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8:00 AM
That was in grade 9 where I barely knew anything about computers.
 
i.e. detention.
 
Apparently the minimum ISS time was two days, but mine was two hours.
 
@chris Said admin have never seen unsuccessful password attempts before?
 
@Insilico, I don't know. They got me for "hacking with malicious intent".
 
u such a hacker bro
 
8:01 AM
If only they knew the power we have now.
 
How did they gauge your intent, exactly?
 
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A: Placement new and uninitialized POD members

Michael BurrC11 12.6.2/8 "Initializing bases and members" says: In a non-delegating constructor, if a given non-static data member or base class is not designated by a mem-initializer-id (including the case where there is no mem-initializer-list because the constructor has no ctor-initializer) and ...

@R.MartinhoFernandes That seems to disagree with us.
 
@chris You must have some real l33t skillz to be written up for hacking with malicious intent by a teacher.
 
I'm not exactly sure. I always wondered why the thought it was malicious.
 
gotta love being guilty of almost doing something
 
8:02 AM
I can't complain, though. I got a lot done in those two hours.
 
you're under arrest for potentially having an accident while drunk
 
@Mysticial Nope.
If no initialisation is performed, you are left with an uninitialised value, not necessarily with the last one. Accessing it is UB as so on.
 
@doug65536 That's a terrible analogy.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, his last sentence says "it should be left alone".
 
Yeah, wrong conclusion.
 
8:03 AM
It's more like "You're under arrest for putting in a wrong key into a lock of some door".
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes So correct citation, but wrong conclusion?
 
I guess that incident didn't really hold me back. Half the computers in the school now have a special service on them. It's good for light pranks on our computer class.
I plan to make the logon window avoid the cursor some day.
I have the program working and everything.
 
@chris A "special service"?
 
it would be incredibly educational to let students proceed with hacking attempts
 
@Mysticial: Yeah, I'm quite proud of that :D
 
8:06 AM
@Mysticial Yeah.
 
@doug65536 If anything, it would be educational for the sysadmins. :-)
 
@Insilico, Special is the best word I can think of. You never know what you're going to get ;)
Anyway, we already told the board about a huge list of terrible exploits, including root access.
And it's still possible to spread viruses around using that very same method we detailed to them.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yeah, eclipse was organizing the tags based on the text field you put the tags into... the problem was there was an over-abundance of text fields, and absolutely no clarity as to what went where
 
@MirroredFate :)
 
Though they did fix the root access at least.
They didn't appreciate any part of it, though.
 
8:09 AM
So that works... now I am just trying to get the .so to effectively load
 
Someone change the room topic to "This is not PHP."
 
how many tags can we have
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Your move message got starred.
 
@chris or "No, C++ programmers wouldn't know"
 
8:11 AM
Wtf
they have a pinned message about that dumb thing?
 
"You can ask about anything here. As long as it's about C++"
 
?_?
 
Give this:
void* myLib;
void (*myFunction) ();
string plugin_error = "could not load plugin\n";
string function_error = "could not load function\n";

myLib = dlopen(name.c_str(), RTLD_NOW);
if(myLib == NULL) {
cout << plugin_error;
return;
}
I am getting the plugin error... The name I am passing to dlopen is "libTestPlugin.so" which is in the directory where my executable running
 
@Rapptz Close votes in are an industry. They get tons of crap.
 
Any ideas?
 
8:13 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Dude. A chrome extension too?!
whaat
 
@Rapptz We haven't found a limit.
 
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: We behave abruptly. [c++] [c++11] [c++-faq] [get-out] [no-limit] [no-pointers] [no-questions] [no-singletons] [no-topic]
 
It's a wonderfully ambiguous tag. :-P
 
8:18 AM
this massive user list is shrinking my damn starboard, bitches
get out!
 
lol
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit We already have that tag.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Get a bigger monitor.
 
I blame the fucking tags.
 
5
Q: More Stars - Userscript that frees up room so you can see more starred messages

SternoSince I've never written a GreaseMonkey script before, I borrowed heavily from this script and basically played around with it until I got what I wanted. So credit to them for helping me get there. More Stars I don't like having my chat window fill the full monitor, but I found that with my pre...

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8:19 AM
@Insilico Get a bigger dick!
(Too much?)
@AndreiTita hah :D now why am I not surprised.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Nah, pretty much what I expected from Lounge<C++>. :-P
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh, that's beautiful. thanks!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Chrome doesn't let me install that :(
 
8:20 AM
drag and drop the js
 
@Insilico Great! That was pretty much all she expected from your dick :P
 
this extension is everything I had hoped for
 
@Rapptz You should drop that and try jQue... oh wait wrong room.
 
@Rapptz Thanks.
 
oh, you left already
in PHP, 23 secs ago, by Lightness Races in Orbit
ok field trip over. everybody back on the bus.
 
8:22 AM
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Damn, I missed the field trip!
 
man they really do take the close vote thing seriously huh
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It's just a pity that it isn't named "Moar stars".
 
is that what the review queue for close votes is so full of?
random PHP close votes?
 
That's a tautology. "PHP" and "close votes", I mean.
 
8:24 AM
dang, that guy has posted 5 in a row.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit That's an oxymoron? Sounds like they go hand-in-hand to me.
 
@Rapptz No - looks like they just use it in chat: gist.github.com/1689430
@Insilico Fuck you're right wrong word entirely
@Insilico Fixed That and Fuck You
 
Yeah, sometimes it's like that.
Told you it was an industry.
 
He's still doing it lmao
 
8:25 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, one of the guys there is a regular in the Anime chat.
 
I've only just figured out what those ".md" files on github are.
 
Ever since he became mod - that wasn't a problem anymore.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Really?
 
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A: Placement new and uninitialized POD members

Lightness Races in OrbitNo. Uninitialized data members have an indeterminate value, and this is not at all the same as saying that the underlying memory is left alone. [C++11: 5.3.4/15]: A new-expression that creates an object of type T initializes that object as follows: If the new-initializer is omitted, t...

 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit lol
 
8:26 AM
Why doesn't this have a million upvotes :(
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit People don't care.
 
-1 not enough 🍌🍌
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It's not something one would understand without knowing some pedantic details of C/C++
 
...
@Mysticial: "some pedantic details of C/C++" ?!?!?!
 
8:27 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I'm serious. How many "pedantic" C/C++ questions get a ton of upvotes?
I should say: Pedantic and obscure.
 
@Mysticial C doesn't have operator new
 
@Mysticial true :(
 
@Rapptz It also applies to C questions as well. Just generalizing.
 
it's not really fair
since all the non-pedantic ones have been answered so I refuse to answer them again
 
8:28 AM
@Mysticial C questions don't get votes period lmao
almost everything in there is zero
 
Hmm, I should put umlauts in my bananas.
 
@Rapptz It's also a smaller tag.
 
@Rapptz Android is worse.
 
A C programmer would figure it out himself
 
8:30 AM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit From what I've seen, I'm almost positive some people on SO are running a script which detects all bikeshedding questions and answers them from some kind of huge trivial information database. You could do that.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yeah, it's not fair. But that's kinda the way it is since people are not likely to upvote something if they don't understand it.
So it's not a surprise that many of the popular questions are .
 
@Mysticial Unless they are reviewing things.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah... at least it won't get more than 1 or 2 votes.
 
so did SO ever find the answer to that FAQ, "what's the best editor"?
there has to be one editor that is the best, right?
 
Notepad
 
8:32 AM
^^
 
36 mins ago, by bamboon
guys, why haven't you told me before that VIM is pure awesomeness.
 
@chris +1
 
It depends if you are one of those people who enjoy having everything done via keyboard
or if you don't mind using the mouse
 
I'm a mouse person.
 
then you probably won't like vim too much
 
8:33 AM
I'm a programmer who uses Windows and a mouse. How absurd is that?
 
@Mysticial, That's like me.
 
me too.
 
@Mysticial My brain just exploded.
 
stay sharp on emacs once a month and tell everyone, emacs
 
Sometimes I prefer the keyboard, though. Depends on my mood that day.
 
8:34 AM
ITT we may have an infestation of lusers. :P
 
Windows actually does have a pretty extensive set of keyboard shortcuts for almost everything. Except almost nobody knows about them.
 
ITT Robot can't spell losers
 
@Insilico I know about... 5.
 
I actually know a fair number of keyboard shortcuts for what I do use.
 
I mean like, when we announced those Pi world records - and they were done on Windows Server.
 
8:34 AM
When I taught PowerPoint presenters the magic of Windows+P for connecting to the projector it's like the most amazing thing they've learned ever.
 
Do you have any idea how many people were like, "WHAT THE FUCK?!?!"
 
@Insilico, lol
 
@Insilico Now I know about 6.
 
that doesn't load for me
 
8:35 AM
Dammit, me neither.
 
they hate switching it to projector so much and you instantly do it
 
@AndreiTita, I hope one of those is win+pause.
 
> luser /loo'zr/ /n./ A user; esp. one who is also a loser.
2
 
@chris Now I know about 7 (I don't have a pause key on the laptop though so I can't test it)
 
Honestly, my most unused Windows key shortcut has to be win+space.
 
8:37 AM
Windows Key + R, + D, + L
 
@AndreiTita I don't think they are. But yes maybe we oughtta
 
Also, if you're on a multimonitor setup, Windows+arrow keys will move/snap the active window around on different monitors
 
@Mysticial Are you kidding? Some people upvote everything they see without reading it!
 
@chris I never found out the use for that.
 
@Insilico win+arrow is the only reason you need to get win 7
 
8:38 AM
@Insilico, It still works on single monitors.
 
Oh you guys overed that already
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit That population exists. But it's small though. Some of which are probably reviewers.
 
I prefer dragging it to the side/top for single monitors, though.
 
@chris Right, but I find it most useful on multiple monitors, because you can't "snap" windows to the border where the two monitors meet using the mouse.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit facebook.com/pages/…
 
8:39 AM
Actually, I made a small thing to let me drag windows around and snap them like that on XP.
I added top half and bottom half, as well as, because I felt like it, minimizing when dragged to the bottom.
 
@AndreiTita you can't be serious
 
Why didn't you call him Shirley?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Can you tell?
 
@AndreiTita Look at the generated gibberish on this page
 
oh fuck
my answer is wrong
 
8:41 AM
ITT Tomalak dies.
 
@doug65536 Eh, what?
 
@AndreiTita nevermind
 
Actually, one of my favourite shortcuts in Windows is ctrl-[ and ctrl-] to change the font size in Word.
 
EWWWWWW.
Y U NO STYLES:
 
people use Word?
 
8:44 AM
holding control and rolling mousewheel is instant zoom for any web page - and many apps
remember pre-WPF Word startup time? instant
 
@doug65536, How about this? If you have an active window and you move your mouse over to hover over another window and then scroll, it will scroll the inactive window you're hovering over.
 
if you shake a window on windows 7
everything minimises except the window
 
@Rapptz, I disabled that.
 
luser.
 
It only worked unintentionally.
 
8:47 AM
@chris I've only seen it misfire maybe twice ever - but different people would have small differences that matter
 
@doug65536 It seems that Visual Studio is even worse about that than Word is.
 
There, fixed it.
 
@doug65536 Word 2010 does not use WPF.
 
@doug65536, Okay, my scrolling thing was kind of a lie, since no one follows that policy. That's why I made something to do it for them.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes good
 
8:48 AM
Dunno about 2013, but I doubt it they rewrote it.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes That would explain it.
 
@chris there are mouse utilities that try to enforce that
 
The newest versions of Visual Studio use WPF, and it takes ages for them to start up.
 
@doug65536, I can see why. My version was only like 10-20 lines.
 
Office has always used a custom UI framework.
 
8:50 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes they insist on instant startup
 
Except for mine, when holding down something, such as ctrl to zoom, you need to activate it.
 
VS2010 opened slower than VS2012 for me.
 
Buy better computers, they all start up instantly :v
 
@CatPlusPlus no they don't
 
I have yet to try out SSDs for at least the OS/programs part of my computer
 
8:51 AM
it's usually < 1 second once you "warm up" the disk cache. that's pretty good considering how huge Word is
 
I hear they're stupid fast.
 
@Insilico, Once I get the parts I need (I have the SSD), I'm going to try that.
 
@doug65536 Are you sure it isn't just Windows caching your most commonly used apps in RAM when you start it up?
 
try installing some stuff on a ram disk
programs just do idiotically slow things during startup
 
VS2010 — about 4 seconds, Word 2010 — about 3
 
8:52 AM
SSDs are nice for boot up. But if you have enough memory, a warmed up computer on a slow HD is fast as hell.
 
Or maybe even less
Steam starts up slower than those two combined
 
At work VS opens in a second or so, from cold boot.
 
It definitely depends if you have stuff loaded into RAM. Which is why I rarely turn off the computer until the end of day
 
@Insilico The only time I turn off my computer is to clean out the dust.
The only time I reboot it is if it crashes, or it overheats.
 
@Mysticial You can clean out the dust while it's still running. :-P
(Not saying that's a good idea, of course)
 
8:54 AM
@Insilico I prefer not to since it's dangerous - at least for my computer.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes "superfetch" would probably pre-page in most of VS if it's a dev box
 
Make sure to get in the fan. It builds up in there.
 
^^ That thing, will not stop if it hits a part of your body.
 
We'll see about that.
 
@Mysticial 3000 RPM!
 
8:55 AM
Anyone have $20 I can borrow?
You'll get it back if @Mysticial is right.
 
@chris Sure. Let me upload it to Dropbox or something for you to download.
 
@chris I'm outside, come out and get it
 
I swear, that fan will cut though anything you can fit into it: fingers, toes, dicks...
 
Wut.
Why would you fit it into...
What.
 
@Mysticial It is called "Scythe", after all.
 
8:58 AM
@Insilico yes :)
 
get water cooling and forget about temperatures forever - and have extreme quiet
 
That could be handy for torture. Who's going to look for the torture device inside your computer?
Unless you forget to clean it, turn it on, and it sprays blood everywhere.
 
Can you get anti-corrosion warranty for PC's?
 
@MartinJames Not unless the PC is made of corrosion-resistant components. Which is not likely to be the case.
 
corrosion is irrelevant. it's aesthetic in computers
 
9:01 AM
@Mysticial Only you could fit your dick in a case fan
 
In that case, (and inside my case), I'll stick to air cooling and occasional attention with a paintbrush and vacuum cleaner.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit That fan is 120mm wide. You're telling your dick is wider than that?
 
never vacuum. only use compressed air
vacuum is completely ineffective, compressed air makes it look brand new without going near it
 
I don't have compressed air in my office, but do have a vacuum cleaner in the utility room next door.
Vacuuming and a paintbrush works fine.
 
@MartinJames Depending on the vacuum cleaner, you can turn it into a blower by switching the hose to the vent. At least the "workshop vacs" can do that.
 
9:03 AM
@MartinJames request a compressor in your office then :P - a great big commercial one like at an auto shop
 
I may as well move my computer to the garage.
My vacuum sucks, no blowjob.
 
moving all that msvc code to mingw wasn't so bad. just had to fix a whole bunch of templates - that relied on msvc's late lookup
 
'moving all that msvc code to mingw' - it that what you do at weekends? I prefer beer and soccer on TV.
 
I like it actually
 
Each to their own...
@Mysticial Maybe it's only a 90mm fan...
 
9:12 AM
@MartinJames No, it's a 120mm fan. I've bought like 10 of them over the past few years.
It's a good fan - as long as you're careful.
It's one of only two models of fans I have where I actually put a fan grill over it if the blades are exposed inwards.
 
10 replacement fans? Errr... what are you doing to/with them?
 
Not just to keep my fingers out, but to keep loose cables from getting into it.
@MartinJames I have more than one machine.
My 64GB server has 4 of those fans in it.
One of them died after a while.
I gave one to a friend.
 
I have three boxes I use regularly, but only ever bought a couple fans 'cos noisy bearings.
 
The rest are in use.
 
Oh, OK, big server.
 
9:15 AM
@MartinJames Yes, a big server. Two sockets - 16 ram slots.
 
@Mysticial You have to fit through the blades.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit You don't have to fit it through the blades before it removes part of it.
 
@Mysticial Oh, true.
@Mysticial Yeah I guess I was thinking you'd get in position, then turn it on. Heh.
 
I have the broken one in front of me right now, and it's about 3 cm between the edge and the barring in the middle. But anything that even touches the blades will get chipped if it isn't made of metal.
 
> However, it doesn't actually talk about the common use of constructing an object at a known address without mungling the values that were already there, but the phrase "performs no other action" does suggest that the intention is that your "indeterminate value" be whatever was in memory previously.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit operator new isn't the end of the story.
 
9:19 AM
The start-up torque of those little fans is pathetic.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit nononono, that's even dumber than...
 
@Mysticial Put some clothes on!
 
@MartinJames Yes, that's true to.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I got bored
 
The fan won't start up if my finger is in it.
 
9:20 AM
operator new may intentionally do nothing, but then there's still the rest of the new expression to happen.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yep.
@R.MartinhoFernandes That exact phrase would make a handy comment on my answer :)
 
It won't start up with a SCSI cable jammed in it either - lost a mobo 'cos that when power chip fried up :(
 
Sarcasm alert.
 
@chris that is so helpful thanks, please learn from Pavel — Computernerd 58 secs ago
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Done.
I should sleep soon.
 
-1 for being a douche eh?
 
@Rapptz not from me
 
@Rapptz, I'm really not bothered by it.
 
9:24 AM
It was from me.
 
now he's got another -1 because it's a debugging question
 
somebody who took the time, for free, on a weekend- Please, SO is my life. I've always got a tab or two of it open at least.
 
?_?
 
@WinterBash wrong room
 
9:26 AM
nice name
 
@Mysticial sorry .. i thought you all guys are all rounder
 
Oh, look, there's a CSS room.
 
@WinterBash Only when it comes to non-programming stuff.
:)
 
@WinterBash what part of "C++" gave you that impression?! Or of our rules?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes thankyou
 
9:26 AM
Also you're probably rounder than I
bbl folks!
it's been a blast.
 
Wow, I didn't know there was such a big deal over "alot". I've always silently ignored it, like certain unnamed compilers do to certain unnamed misdoings.
I think my one eighth grade teacher had a poster of some sort that included the right way to use "a lot".
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit almost all you guys are very high rep user
 
@WinterBash we're sick man
 
GF CPU.
 
9:34 AM
1 message moved to C#
WTF is wrong today.
 
Just bin them all
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes C#?
 
@Rapptz Mentioned aspx.
 
oh
 
Pure JS question though
 
9:36 AM
seems like a long shot
it mentioned jquery
 
And ASPX webservices...
 
Yeah that doesn't really matter
 
Oh well, at least we dumped the problem on someone else. That's all that's all that matters right? :)
 
Until they dump it back in here.
 
Then we bin it
 
9:37 AM
Let the Dump Wars ensue.
 
@CatPlusPlus Meh, I have no idea if it matters. It's a terrible question anyway.
 
Of course it is
 
I'm going to sleep 🏨. Later!
 
night
 
It's 11AM
 
9:50 AM
std::cout << "Good night.";
std::this_thread::sleep_for(std::chrono::hours(7));
Maybe tomorrow I can add in a future to get the results of my dreams while I sleepwalk.
Or get the results of my sleepwalking while I dream.
 
Congratulations, @stackedcrooked
 
hey
when a program goes into waiting state, does it allocate any resources?
 

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