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04:04
I'm going to bury my nose in my scala book. Be well everyone
What is "User Experience Design" ?
What's not clear about that
@CatPlusPlus What it is as far as internship... like, what do you do?
You make sure the user experience is good
@Crowz It's somewhat like a hooker choosing an outfit to please her client.
04:07
@AndreiTita ... sounds like I'd like it
Is it technical at all? Does it involve programming?
@Crowz In my example, none or very little.
I feel like applying. This looks decent... as long as no math
think Ruby would be a substitute for Java? Does it have a library for controls?
n/m I don't think I can embed it in a browser
I can embed muh dick in browsers
04:25
aw, gcc segfaulted on a member variable access in a lambda with 'this' captured. Explicitly specifying this-> fixed it though.
@sehe: I'm surprised that my "All time awesome" Not a real question game record even lasted for 17 months, TBH.
05:01
Thanks Chris, unfortunately I'm a bit lost with your instructions. I made it to the compiler settings (prntscr.com/qx6yp) but I don't see anything like -std=c++11 aywhere. — user2023949 3 mins ago
?_?
pre-morning
Yes, I know. But they didn't want to use using, and it's not good to pollute a header with using, either. Although, saying that, I'm just polluting with a different typename instead. — Peter Wood 15 hours ago
Makes perfect sense
05:18
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: POLL TIME tell me the best UI framework you've ever used [c++] [c++11] [c++-faq] [get-out] [no-questions] [no-singletons]
Idiotic poll. "Best" is a degree of "good', and we all know there's no such thing as a good UI framework, so there can't possible be a "best". The most you can hope for is "the least awful".
Just answer fammit
@CatPlusPlus WPF
@CatPlusPlus Okay -- since you're being rude, I'm gonna say MFC!
@JerryCoffin Trollin' trollin'
05:23
@EtiennedeMartel Me? I would never do such a thing!
I was wondering QT or wxWigits
@RolandSams Both are weird.
@EtiennedeMartel I'm using Nimbus with Scala
@RolandSams wxWidgets started life as an MFC clone, so don't look too hard or you'll start to see all to much resemblance...
pardon my typo
05:27
It starts when you get to message maps
Which is like first part of the tutorial
05:44
0
Q: Why did C++03 require template parameters to have external linkage?

Non-Stop Time TravelBackground In C++03, symbols used as template arguments must have external linkage; this restriction was removed in C++11, as explored in this previous question: In C++03, template arguments could not have internal linkage: [C++03: 14.6.4.2/1]: For a function call that depends on a...

Ain't C++ by any means, but any of you deal with GUIs, might be interesting:
2
Q: How to make a color APPEAR the same on different backgrounds?

BaumrBackground on color perception: Due to the nature of the human eye and visual processing by the brain, there's an optical illusion that the same color will look different depending on the background. It is known as the contrast effect, illustrated below — center rectangles are identical: An...

@Baumr I'm not signed up on that site, so I can't answer directly, but my immediate guess is that it's pretty well hopeless. Different people perceive colors rather differently (e.g., in the example he gives from NASA, I don't see the colors as it says I should -- to me the squares that are identical actually look at least much more alike than the squares it says should look the same to me.
Well, seems like it's impossible to share a DXGI swap chain back buffer.
Fuck this shit, I'm going to sleep.
I should add, however, that I spend part of my time doing photography, and have put a fair amount of effort into perceiving colors as they really are, compensating (to some degree, anyway) for the eye's tendency to treat the dominant light as "white" regardless of its real color.
05:54
@JerryCoffin Ah, interesting...
@EtiennedeMartel Good plan.
@JerryCoffin You're right that colors are perceived differently
But, when it comes to optical illusions — they do work for the majority
Good night every pony.
Therefore, there must be some sort of rule behind it?
~perfect colours~
05:55
Must be a way to quantify... no? Black being black, and white being white (ignore the grey for now)
@EtiennedeMartel g'nite I'm pulling an all nighter learning scala
posted on January 30, 2013 by Scott Meyers

Before I summarize the Items I currently plan to include in Effective C++11 ("EC++11"), I'd like to explain a little about how I come up with the guidelines in my books. It'd be sweet to imagine that I develop all the guidelines myself. If you're very technical about it, I do. I come up with all my own Item wordings, and I write all my own Item justifications. But the ideas behind the guidelin

May be, but I doubt it's simple. Just for example, people doing color spaces and profiles have studied things like this pretty carefully. It's tricky enough that color profiles support four different "intents". One of those (perceptual) they leave open for a vendor to define, to give what they think are the best results.
@EtiennedeMartel G'night. I think I'll be trotting off as well.
@JerryCoffin Ah yeah, the color profile difference thing is an issue
@JerryCoffin Way over my head though :D
2
Q: C++ future.get() return types

dk123Here's a bit of code : auto afuture = async([&]{ []{ return 1; }; }); const auto ret = afuture.get(); MSVC12 tells me that 'ret' is a [const < error-type >] and will not let me compile, giving me an output message of: [cannot deduce type for 'const auto' from 'void'] If for exampl...

06:02
@JerryCoffin Feel free to make an answer & make an account :)
I think you may be right (if you have the time)
@Non-StopTimeTravel Thanks for your answer :)
@Baumr Sorry it's not great. I'm not actually convinced that there's no solution, but I'm fairly confident that I've discovered there's no really easy one.
@Baumr But hopefully it'll help get the ball rolling on some further answers.
"smacks palm to forehead" — Andrew Otsuki 11 secs ago
@Non-StopTimeTravel Hmmm, yeah I felt that too (after Googling for weeks)
@Non-StopTimeTravel Yeah definitely :)
Weird that more people aren't asking this :p
I must be becoming OCD
:P
06:05
@CatPlusPlus If that was aimed at me: Thanks man!
:D
It's really noticeable on some sites — not that it really matters, just an interesting problem (to me) with probably a really interesting answer (or at least one as to why it's impossible) — and I think the two fellas in this room are right
@Non-StopTimeTravel Feel free to edit the question as well -- if you think its scope can be defined better -- or perhaps introduce the other concepts you have on the Wiki
@Baumr That's all I have tbh
@Baumr I am slightly surprised it's not a dup. I did look
@Non-StopTimeTravel Same :D
@Non-StopTimeTravel Ah, no yeah your answer is good -- i meant my question :P (since I'm no expert in color profiles and stuff -- perhaps some things could be stated better)
@Baumr Yeah, I got it
ah OK
Gotcha
Alright, I gotta run -- good chatting to you guys :)
Btw, any idea what johannes was getting at in the comments?
@Baumr I think he was just trying to say that all the results in your example will have to retain the same yellow hue
Even as lightness and possibly even saturation vary
06:16
@Non-StopTimeTravel not reviewable?
Whether that's actually true I dunno
@Rapptz Dunno what you mean. There's a silly edit suggestion, anyway. Wanted to show it.
Oh it bugs out for me, says "item is not reviewable"
I haven't reached 20 yet so I don't know what it's saying lol
Oh it's a review audit.
You passed.
"improved formatting" where?
> Oops! There was a problem updating your profile:
>
> Display name may only be changed once every 30 days; you may change again on Feb 20 at 20:41
Dammit
@Non-StopTimeTravel Change your name on a different StackExchange profile and then copy it over to all your other SE accounts if you want to go that route.
@Rapptz The placeholder in the "Edit summary" textbox reads "briefly explain your changes (corrected spelling, fixed grammar, improved formatting)", and stupid people assume it's a free-text multiple choice exam
@Rapptz Hah, does that really work?
06:29
Yeah, we had a time when like 6+ people were named DeadMG to have fun with the puppy.
And they did that to change their name.
Muahahah
thanks :D
I'M BACK, BITCHES
@StackedCrooked 822 means it's gonna die any moment.
It really does take a while for profile changes to make it through to chat, huh
06:33
Alright, then I need a backup computer urgently.
RIP StackedCrooked
"Overall SMART status: Not very"
Or I could boot from external HD. Which would probably be very slow.
For some reason I always wanted to see a computer explode and lead in a house fire.
@StackedCrooked Are you at risk of data loss?
06:33
Not to you though, I mean I want to hear about it.
@Non-StopTimeTravel Nope.
@StackedCrooked Fuck it then - leave it and go get pissed :)
Well, it's an iMac from 2009. I received an email from Apple about 4 months ago (3 years later) telling me that my hard disk may have production defects and they offer to replace it for free.
I haven't gotten around to doing it yet.
But I guess now is the time :D
0
Q: Can we have a static class in C++?

cool_sopsI was just wondering whether we can have static classes in C++. What I mean is can we declare a class as static in C++ like static class foo? I know we can have static member variables and static member functions in C++ but I am not sure about static classes.

I have a question.
Should I reject edits that just add/remove a tag?
I usually say "Too minor" but I don't know if it is
@Rapptz My old NEC monitor almost started an electrical fire once
lucky I was there
I'm learning Scala and it's really staggaring how different it is from Java or c++
06:48
Breaking: a language is different than other languages
More at 11
6
Q: C, bit shift . 2 consecutive shifts

Anders Lindstatic inline void ext4_ext_store_pblock(struct ext4_extent *ex, ext4_fsblk_t pb) { ex->ee_start_lo = cpu_to_le32((unsigned long) (pb & 0xffffffff)); ex->ee_start_hi = cpu_to_le16((unsigned long) ((pb >> 31) >> 1) & 0xff...

^^ The linux kernel is a mess.
the linux kernel is utilising UB?
@Rapptz No, read the comments.
> Hence, if you were to shift a 32-bit wide integer type 32 bits to the right, it would result in undefined behaviour. However, shifting it 31 bits and then another bit is well defined.
Ahahahaha C
@CatPlusPlus Same thing applies to C++.
06:56
@Mysticial Ah I see.
@Mysticial Ahahahahahahaha
Also where's that "long long is guaranteed to be 64-bit" from
@CatPlusPlus At least 64-bits.
That's from the standard.
Somewhere in the standard.
Since when
06:58
C99
long long didn't formally exist until C99
@Rapptz No.
@Rapptz "Too minor" isn't about character count. Adding/removing tags is a big change.
Ah okay.
I never agreed with "too minor" anyway.
Only if the tag change is pointless do you reject it.
06:59
Oh my god C the king of undefined things actually defined something
Well, I did modify one a few minutes ago.
I'm shocked
Shocked
At what?
What about my exotic platforms
WHAT ABOUT THEM
Oh
lol
lol
make that 22
I will up it to 23.
I think that one's on par to beat @Fred's unsigned to signed comment.
07:25
Another day another shitty exam
@CatPlusPlus Prostate check?
@Mysticial browsing through the things I starred -- I found a couple funny ones like this one
Ahahaha I have to remember industrial networks and how they work fuck no
My elite CS education
...lol problem factory
TNG is great
Elapsed time: 964 ms
Elapsed time: 3498 ms
nice speed increase :D
07:37
Quick Q, is
Vector3D vec = someotherVec; slower than
Vector3D vec(someOtherVec);
@EddieV223 SFML?
no, just in general I just made up Vector3D class name
@EddieV223 That would both call the copy constructor, so no difference.
So the first one doesn't do an assignement?
operator
they both do copy construction
07:39
alright
thank you.
@EddieV223
Vector3D vec;
vec = someotherVec;
would call the copy assignment op.
though here I did some code for you just to show I guess
int main() {
    gears::Stopwatch k;
    gears::BigInteger a = fibonacci(22000);
    k.elapsed();
    k.reset();
    gears::BigInteger b(fibonacci(22000));
    k.elapsed();
}
Elapsed time: 241 ms
Elapsed time: 212 ms
though this doesn't prove anything
just that I am a bored man at 2:40 AM
user142019
07:52
Good morning.
I think I found a bug in the vote fetch thingy.
It's even animated as well.
08:08
@chris well, it replaces for-loop construct, does it not? — hyde 27 mins ago
WTF.
@Mysticial vote fetching has been slow lately.
@Rapptz And review fetching. First posts has been bumping up the queue.
They have been moving to a new datacenter or something.
And the data explorer is backed up.
08:11
So they're definitely have a bit of trouble on the back end.
Oh, that's an audit.
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol
(reposting but hey, it was horrible)
lmao
I already did 20 :( I would reject
> Approved 10 secs ago
08:15
Sigh...
user142019
JSON license is not considered "free".
user142019
> This is the license of the original implementation of the JSON data interchange format. This license uses the Expat license as a base, but adds a clause mandating: “The Software shall be used for Good, not Evil.” This is a restriction on usage and thus conflicts with freedom 0. The restriction might be unenforcible, but we cannot presume that. Thus, the license is nonfree.
@Zoidberg In other news, FSF is run by crazy people
user142019
@Cat that moron drives me crazy.
08:19
@CatPlusPlus Hey look, it actually got rejected!
@CatPlusPlus I'm actually laughing
This guy stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/1418294 edits everything "for better understanding".
This thing is so much worse than I imagined.
@Mark are you sending us messages through suggested edits?
08:25
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh. Hi!
How does that work?
Seriously it's the same idiots over and over again
Then keep rejecting them until they get banned.
lol logcat?
@Rapptz He wrote "Hey folks! some edits" in the edit message field.
08:27
They're editing the same posts. stackoverflow.com/posts/14599448/revisions
dafuq did those get approved
This is just terrible.
> this edit was already approved
> This edit was already approved - please visit the post and correct the edit.
(click on this box to dismiss)
WHAT THE FUCK
08:29
the robot approved it too
> R. Martinho Fernandes reviewed this 1 min ago: Approve
For shame
^^
shame
now we're even @R.MartinhoFernandes
Our robot's a robot.
@CatPlusPlus What? He fixed the alignment in the code.
08:30
Not really
@Rapptz WTF. That was not what I saw!
honestly the one where the guy added the extra } was gold
@Rapptz This crap doesn't even render the edits properly.
08:33
Look at Markdown
@CatPlusPlus I guess the reviewers mostly
lol, I bet he copied that from wikipedia or something...
You're kidding me...
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well he also had an edit that was an ad blurb from the project's page
why am I laughing at these
08:37
It's not funny! It's maddening
they're hilariously bad.
Mad reviewers, mad editors...
Is there a reason why it's limited to 20 besides badge farming?
No.
That's just fucking stupid.
Now I cannot continue rejecting this crap.
The fucking badges should just go away.
How to get length of lua Variable Number of Arguments in C function? (stackoverflow.com/questions/14599677/…)
08:39
And the rep for suggested edits too.
I wonder how much rep I made from edits.
33 accepted so 66.
These things generate soooo much crap.
Almost every single edit I viewed was crap.
> corrected spelling
08:45
lol Cc#
@MarkGarcia This suggested edit thing is the worst "feature" in the site.
How can you be so bad at posting
I'm actually surprised at the reject reason lol
What is going on?
morning all
08:48
I broke it it doesn't load
Bad questions -> Bad Edits -> Bad Reviewers == WTF!!!
Someone trying to add a tag wiki to a nonexistent tag...
Xeo
Xeo
Mornin'
08:50
These people will try anything to get those badges.
Morning
badge whores
lol, I tried to suggest it as synonym to asp.net but I can't because the fucking tag does not exist in the system.
AHahahahahahahahhaha this is gold
Everything about it
However you can add a fucking tag wiki...
08:51
LOL!
@CatPlusPlus Two approves already...
user142019
Do people seriously look in the review section?
$20 on it being approved
@Rapptz Phew, cat saved the day.
lol rejected
user142019
08:52
That's even more of a waste of time than actually editing bad posts.
@Rapptz You came close.
Xeo
Xeo
@Zoidberg No, they don't look, they just approve.
2/5 isn't far.
user142019
@Xeo Even more of a waste of time!
@Zoidberg They want their badges!
user142019
08:54
Badges are pointless.
user142019
They don't get you any privileges.
But seriously that post
Are you still not out of reviews for today?
I have 59,663 rep, but I can only save the site from 20 crap edits.
@R.MartinhoFernandes What post?! Let me in on this !
so do any of you guys have to spend hours designing something and not do much programming?
08:56
@sehe Just follow the links...
user142019
@TonyTheLion at school? Yes.
user142019
But I don't do it.
user142019
I design as I code.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Dead end (possibly because it's not in the review queue anymore?)
user142019
Main reason I think why my code is always so terribru.
08:57
@sehe likely
@sehe Works fine here.
@Zoidberg I design before I code. But I document the design as code, not in (god forbid) "Word"
@R.MartinhoFernandes Lemme retry
user142019
We had to make class diagrams from our code for a homework assignment. Just generated them and it was OK.
Reviewed entries can still be viewed.
user142019
08:58
What a pointless tag.
user142019
"Yes I love tab bars let's follow ."
lol, and removed cocoa-touch, which seems actually relevant.
@CatPlusPlus Oh aha. It loaded now. Well. I don't see why people waste their time, but yeah, this edit should be approved, really. It is an improvement. (If anything, the change description isn't worth the effort...)
If anything it will hint the OP that there might be boundaries on SO. I'd leave it be, possibly downvote
user142019
> Approved.
user142019
:|

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