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2:01 PM
@sbi I'd like to read it.
 
sbi
@sehe I still have a complete set of the Z80 clone chips they sold east of the IC. All you need to bake your own computer, to then poke in the machine codes that make up your OS. :)
@BartekBanachewicz Well, then I suggest you go to the SO blog and search for it.
 
@sbi I searched for reputation, but I think it isn't on the list. Can you give me some keywords?
 
sbi
@BartekBanachewicz Nope.
 
@sbi lol
 
@BartekBanachewicz I started contributing basically only in March 2011. I was learning git at the time, I think.
(I just noticed my first answer of that period now has 19 upvotes. )
@sbi They didn't have these chips at my public library xD
 
sbi
2:04 PM
@Rapptz What's there to laugh about it? I already said all I remembered. And ISTR it being in the blog. ICBWT.
 
I feel like older people use more acronyms than younger people. I lost all meaning of what you were trying to say :(
 
sbi
@sehe The sad thing is that I spend the second half of my teenage years hunting them down, and when I had them complete, the wall came down.
 
The only chips I bought (cost me a rib) was 8-bit DAC/ADC chips. That was when I had my PC and I was building myself a cheap-ass sound card
 
@sbi Ow. That's a shame. I recognize the feeling. I never did actually complete my soundcard (the PCI interface was done, and it didn't blow my PCI bus). By that time I got a modem card with builtin crappy sound thingy
 
2:06 PM
I've read it before but in my defence, those two are rarely used.
 
@Rapptz Now, there's a claim that most certainly wouldn't be backed by statistics
@Rapptz defense, FTFY
 
sbi
@sehe YCBWT.
 
@sbi I could. IWNCT
 
@Rapptz no need to get so defencive :)
 
2:07 PM
@sehe Americanism fail
 
sbi
@sehe I can't crack that one. :(
 
@sehe I Will Not Correct That?
 
@sehe it took a couple seconds to google that really
 
@Rapptz There's no fun in that
 
I Would Not Care Though :)
It's a joke. Both form and meaning
 
2:10 PM
IWaNtaCaT
 
 
user142019
GOOD MORNING
 
why not ZoIDBerG
 
Hey sleepy head
@BartekBanachewicz because I is vowel
 
user142019
Oh Qt supports C++11 now.
 
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2:18 PM
Qunt
 
@Zoidberg'-- It's still shitty. Why care?
 
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@BartekBanachewicz Not that I'm going to use it.
 
@Zoidberg'-- Phew. I thought you were going to.
 
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gtkmm is the best.
 
@Zoidberg'-- All of these are equally bad.
 
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2:18 PM
also Cocoa
 
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gtkmm is not bad. It's good.
 
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At least it uses namespaces and smart pointers.
 
@Zoidberg'-- What about windows?
 
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I don't care about Windows.
 
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2:21 PM
> One of the major advantages of gtkmm is that it is crossplatform.
 
@yetihehe What about native windows widgets, like ribbon and metro-style UI?
 
user142019
s/advantages/disadvantages/
 
user142019
Cross-platform GUI libraries suck.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Fuck them
 
@yetihehe these are essential for every good application. That's why previous zoidberg sed was accurate.
 
Ell
2:22 PM
@Zoidberg'-- is that all possible or all currently available?
 
@BartekBanachewicz They are not
 
user142019
If you want to create a GUI for Windows, use WPF/.NET/WinAPI/do I know Microsoft provides. If you want to create a GUI for Linux, use Qt or GTK+. If you want to create a GUI for OS X, use Cocoa.
 
@yetihehe Did you use Git application?
 
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It ain't rocket science.
 
@Zoidberg'-- that's true.
 
2:22 PM
@BartekBanachewicz No
 
@yetihehe What about VS2012?
 
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@BartekBanachewicz what a horrible piece of junk is that.
 
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VS2012 is rather nice.
 
@Zoidberg'-- It's good for beginners.
 
@BartekBanachewicz neither
 
2:23 PM
@yetihehe Well then, why the fuck are you even talking about windows applications?
 
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@BartekBanachewicz yeah, until you have a merge conflict and it screams at you that it cannot sync and it doesn't tell you what to do.
 
Xeo
Hmhm, seems I'm going to move tomorrow after all. :)
 
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It doesn't even tell you what's wrong.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Why not?
 
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Only "an error has occurred."
 
2:24 PM
@yetihehe Because it usually helps to know a bit about what you're trying to talk.
 
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@Xeo nice, to where?
 
@Zoidberg'-- well, that could be improved indeed
 
Ell
@Zoidberg'-- Or you could just use a cross platform library.
I don't see the big issue
 
user142019
@Ell if you want a crappy and inconsistent GUI, sure.
 
@BartekBanachewicz I've made some good applications without using ribbons or VS
 
2:25 PM
@yetihehe Console ones? sure.
 
user142019
Ribbon is terrible.
 
As for NICE applications - I'm not doing NICE applications, I'm design anti-talent
 
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They should have never invented it.
 
Also I hate ribbon
 
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You know what I want in Windows? A damn search bar in menu bars.
 
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2:26 PM
So I can search for menu items.
 
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That's something I miss so much when I use Windows. :P
 
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Especially in VS.
 
Ribbon is awesome.
 
blah blah
 
Ribbon works great in MS Office.
 
2:27 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Maybe for you
 
@yetihehe believe you're happy with OpenOffice, aren't you?
 
@ScottW 200KG
 
@rubenvb yo dawg, you alive?
 
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@BartekBanachewicz No, it's even worse than MS office
And slower because written in java
 
2:28 PM
@yetihehe So I really wonder why are you complaining on the interface of the best office software there is.
 
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@ScottW also this
 
Ell
@Zoidberg'-- what do you get that in? o.O unity?
 
Becaue it was better before they started using ribbon
 
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@Ell OS X
 
Ell
oh
 
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2:29 PM
In every app except Adobe Illustrator. XD
 
@yetihehe That's a whiny butthurt talk we all had enough back in 2007
 
Ell
Ribbon is good imho
 
Yeah, yeah "I think it's better therefore your point is invalid"
 
Ribbon in MS Office was the best thing that ever happened to it.
 
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2:30 PM
Maybe except that superfast installation it got recently.
 
@yetihehe At least it's a change. The fact you're used to old menus doesnt change that from UX point of view it's just better
 
@BartekBanachewicz The fact it's new doesn't mean it's better
 
@yetihehe Except in this case it does.
 
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Just give me a searchable menu bar already. And a global one.
 
user142019
OS X > ALL THE THINGS
 
2:32 PM
@Zoidberg'-- You missused > for <, didn't you?
 
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no
 
@Griwes OS X isn't that bad.
@yetihehe So keep using 2003, good luck.
 
user142019
OS X me gusta.
 
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@BartekBanachewicz or switch to iWork, or OpenOffice, or Google Docs, or whatnot.
 
iOS is great.
 
2:33 PM
@BartekBanachewicz I don't need to.
 
user142019
Office is terrible.
 
@yetihehe Ah, I forgot you like to give a lot of opinions about technologies you don't use.
 
user142019
I always use Google Docs.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Android is superior. At least recent versions of it.
 
user142019
Naja, only if I really have to.
 
2:34 PM
@BartekBanachewicz I use them, why do you think I don't?
 
user142019
For documents I just use LaTeX.
 
@Griwes Android == Java. Rly?
 
user142019
LaTeX works good with Git, Word doesn't.
 
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@Griwes iOS > Android
 
Google Docs suck balls when compared with SkyDrive and recent Offices.
 
2:34 PM
@Griwes they are just different
I use both.
 
user142019
Everything sucks balls when compared to LaTeX so use LaTeX already.
 
@BartekBanachewicz So?
 
Ell
linux is better for development imho, package management is great
 
user142019
Like a sane person who uses version control.
 
Ell
@Zoidberg'-- what do you use it for?
 
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2:35 PM
@Ell mainly for homework.
 
@Zoidberg'-- Except if you need calculation sheet :P
 
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@Griwes I was talking about Word/Pages/whatnot.
 
@Griwes We're back at 90's cellphones with java games. Guess what? They were terrible. iOS is native. Also, I don't really see the "superiority" of Android. I used both, mind you.
 
Ell
@Zoidberg'-- I don't know how you can be productive enough for using it with homework
 
@Zoidberg'-- So office = word. Yay!
 
user142019
2:36 PM
If you need a spreadsheet and you use LaTeX you're an idiot.
 
@BartekBanachewicz There is no decent device with iOS on board.
 
Ell
Trying to insert a diagram/chart/something is a lot quicker in office/anything else
 
@Griwes Except iPhone and iPad.
 
And I am amazed by performance of my Samsung Galaxy Note 2.
 
user142019
@Ell it works well with Git, unlike Word.
 
2:36 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Which aren't decent, after recent devices from Samsung.
 
@Griwes which is around two times slower than iPhone 5
 
They are old, not decent.
 
user142019
Samsung is bad.
 
@BartekBanachewicz LOL.
 
Ell
@Zoidberg'-- fair enough about version controll
 
2:36 PM
LOL
At the time being, nothing beats Samsung in the area of smartphones.
 
user142019
My friend had two Galaxy S IIs and both misbehaved after a few months.
 
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@Griwes except Apple and Nokia.
 
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Nokia is the best.
 
@Zoidberg'-- LOL.
 
user142019
3310 all the way.
 
2:38 PM
Nokia has shot it's foot off years ago.
 
@Zoidberg'-- My boss had two iphones and they both misbehaved after a few months
 
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@Griwes You can use a Nokia as a bullet to shoot your foot off.
 
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@yetihehe then he didn't handle them with care.
 
@Zoidberg'-- We're talking about recent devices, aren't we?
 
Ell
2:38 PM
@Zoidberg'-- bullet? More like an artillery shell
 
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@Griwes no, why would we.
 
@BartekBanachewicz lol
 
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Phones are phones, no matter if they are from 1880 or 2012.
 
@Griwes maybe not two times, that's true.
 
@BartekBanachewicz lol
I have no other comment.
 
2:39 PM
But well, sorry to shatter your dream about samsung being faster.
 
I probably will still laugh at it few days from now.
 
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I should make an iOS app.
 
@Griwes I gave you results of benchmarks which clearly shows that A6 is faster than whatever samsung put into its devices. What else ?
 
user142019
Who cares about the fucking speed of the processor of a phone. T_T
 
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like
 
2:41 PM
And these are raw benchmarks. App comparison would be even more disturbing, since iOS apps are native.
 
lol
 
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Who says Android apps can't be native?
 
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HARDWARE JVM
 
I will still be laughing at you months from now. Definitely longer than days or week.
 
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Also
 
2:42 PM
@Griwes You said lol for like 4th 5th time. Time to put a bit of meaning into your words.
 
user142019
there are iPhone apps written in C# that run on CLI.
 
@BartekBanachewicz 6th lol, then.
 
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there are iPhone apps written in Lua that run on Lua VM.
 
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there are iPhone apps written in Ruby.
 
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Doesn't sound very "native" to me.
 
2:42 PM
@Griwes Well, if you don't have anything to say, it would be wise to just shut the fuck up.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Not going to. iPhone is falling into abyss. Nothing is going to stop that, and with iP5, they have doomed themselves.
 
@Griwes Anything other than your opinion to support that?
 
Ell
Also you can write native android apps?
 
Hah. I'm just saying you are funny with this whole fanboy-ism. :)
 
@Griwes I'm not a fanboy. I'm just getting facts straight.
 
2:43 PM
Yes, you can write native android apps.
@BartekBanachewicz No, you aren't :)
 
Ell
But there is no need
 
@Griwes Do you mean NDK? Because that's, well...
 
user142019
Fanboys? Where?

OMG APPLE NEW IOS VERSION MUST DOWNLOAD OMG NEW IPHONE <3<3 ME GUSTA OMG OBJECTIVE-C 4.0 MUST MUST MUUUUST BUUY XCODE.
 
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@Ell except when you need it. :P
 
Ell
@Zoidberg'-- Yeah :L I mean by default you should choose java (imho)
 
user142019
2:44 PM
No.
 
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Scala or Clojure.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Anyway, performance of even Java apps on android is awesome.
 
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You should never choose Java.
 
Nothing has ever lagged on my Note yet, except of Adobe Reader reading some extremely heavy PDF.
 
@Griwes I'm not saying it isn't. New versions of java can do miracles with JIT
 
Ell
2:45 PM
@Zoidberg'-- sorry - the JVM
 
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:P
 
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Use C# for Android.
 
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MonoTouch
 
And, well, in mobile targets, not having native apps is actually good.
 
Ell
@Griwes isn't it the hardware that's causing the bottleneck?
 
2:46 PM
@Griwes I'm just pointing out that you're hating apple. And laugh at benchmarks, when saying that Samsung easily outperforms Apple
 
user142019
Muh
 
huh
apparently, the Clang preprocessor has Alzheimers and forgets that it's seen macro definitions
2
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz The samsung note did have a bigger screen in fairness
 
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@ScottW how much?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Why would I hate a dying company?
 
2:47 PM
@Ell Well, it's more like a phablet than a phone.
 
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If it's not something Adobe-like such as a thousand dollars I wouldn't mind.
 
@Griwes You tell me. I'm not saying Android is trash.
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz yeah - I wouldn't call it a fair comparison really
fair benchmark, but not comparison
 
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@ScottW dafuq a thousand dollars.
 
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Why the fuck would anybody ever use that.
 
2:48 PM
@Ell Indeed. We can then compare to Galaxy SIII - which is slower than Note 2 in terms of raw speed.
Have you heard about Marmalade?
 
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ENTERPRISE Y U DEFAULT
 
@BartekBanachewicz What I am saying is that Apple without Jobs, even if I call him ignorant and someone without a bit of real skill, is falling apart, and Samsung is actually going forward.
 
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Stupid scammers. xD
 
Ell
@Griwes samsung is definately going forward
 
Seriously, a bit faster CPU and a bit more RAM = "we created brand new phone"? lol.
 
Ell
2:49 PM
But I can't see Apple dissapearing
 
Oh, sorry, a bit bigger screen.
iPhone is garbage.
 
Ell
they have the majority share with music devices [citation needed]
 
user142019
I'd rather reimplement C# on top of Foundation and the Objective-C runtime, which may not be a bad idea afterall.
 
@Griwes What's the exact difference between Galaxy S2 and S3? Apart from faster CPU and bigger screen?
 
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I'm going to do this.
 
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2:50 PM
I need a C# parser. xD
 
@BartekBanachewicz It at least looks different.
Plus, I'm mainly talking about Notes.
Which are, well, something definitely new.
 
@Griwes Note is a phablet, not a phone.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Idiotic term. Have you used it, even for a while?
 
@Griwes Okey, so apple is not making progress, because its phones doesn't look different. Makes sense... NOT.
@Griwes Jeff Atwood uses it.
 
It perfectly fits in pocket, it is perfectly holdable with one hand, hence, a phone.
 
2:52 PM
Anyway, if you are going to mindlessly hate, I see no point in further discussion
 
@BartekBanachewicz And that magically makes that less idiotic?
 
Because the only thing you can do is say "I think apple is bad" in many different forms.
And that's not adding anything, so I'll stop right there.
 
Because, well, it's tautology. :)
I don't have to add anything to such statement :D
 
Ell
@Zoidberg'-- I think c# is easy to parse - not easy but not like c++ or anything
 
@BartekBanachewicz The same with ribbon ;)
 
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2:53 PM
@Ell me too.
 
@Ell well it's certainly less complicated.
 
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I could use e.g. NSObject instead of System.Object. It'll not be fully conformant.
 
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Not sure how to solve namespaces though, since Objective-C doesn't have them.
 
@Zoidberg'-- isn't mono opensource?
You might use its parser
 
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@BartekBanachewicz yes.
 
2:54 PM
@Zoidberg'-- :)
 
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50
Q: Parser for C#

Julien HoarauWhich parsers are available for parsing C# code? I'm looking for a C# parser that can be used in C# and give me access to line and file informations about each artefact of the analysed code.

 
user142019
There are a billion parsers for C#. :P
 
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Microsoft Roslyn is like clang library but for C#.
 
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But you know
 
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I can write this myself.
 
Ell
2:56 PM
Oh gawd
 
Well, he'll finally come to a conclusion it's useless.
 
@Zoidberg'-- Attitude
 
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Altitude
 

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