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15:00
It is at http://liveworkspace.org/code/3JhCYV$0
$ is a reserved character in URLs.
@KonradRudolph It's pretty minimal as is. Don't see what more you want?
In this case, LWS suxors, not Markdown.
@TonyTheLion That was my (apparently well-hidden) point.
@R.MartinhoFernandes huh.
15:01
@KonradRudolph It's awesome.
@R.MartinhoFernandes reserved for what?
@KonradRudolph Man, I suck at deducing things. Prolly why I'm bad at templates :(
@KonradRudolph NFI. It's RFC 3986 if you are really curious.
@R.MartinhoFernandes What’s NFI? The RFC has two mentions of the three letters, both as part of other words
15:03
"No Fucking Idea".
I doubt you will find that in the RFC :)
> URIs include components and subcomponents that are delimited by characters in the "reserved" set. These characters are called "reserved" because they may (or may not) be defined as delimiters by the generic syntax, by each scheme-specific syntax, or by the implementation-specific syntax of a URI's dereferencing algorithm.
> The purpose of reserved characters is to provide a set of delimiting characters that are distinguishable from other data within a URI. URIs that differ in the replacement of a reserved character with its corresponding percent-encoded octet are not equivalent. Percent-encoding a reserved character, or decoding a percent-encoded octet that corresponds to a reserved character, will change how the URI is interpreted by most applications.
Is the document sure it's "by most applications..." in case of $?
15:09
damn, the weather is utterly English and I need to go out to buy presents
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@KonradRudolph you can buy presents in the rain :P
you give the gift of rain
it's just you'll have to be sure it rains on xmas day
or whatever
well, one of the presents is a birthday present, and that birthday is today
so, easy :)
oooh, such a nice feeling, one of our developers is actually spending most of his time cleaning up our source tree
@jalf pruning the dead branches?
… such a rich metaphor
15:23
@KonradRudolph no, dead files, dead code, dead build systems (all our makefiles are finally going the way of the dodo), streamlining our cmake files and so on
getting rid of old scripts
oh, CMake. Putting lipstick on a pig. Then stuffing said pig with lipstick and eye liner. Then removing the pig.
@KonradRudolph It's a lot better than any of the alternatives we've looked at
which says a lot about the quality of the alternatives...
yup, it does. I always try to stay on the level of Makefiles where possible
@KonradRudolph well, we need something cross-platform :)
@jalf I presume you've considered SCons?
15:26
and our old makefiles were pretty horrific
we rely on pretty much all of the advantages listed :)
@jalf Yeah, seen that.. and I agree with it. I used to really like CMake, but then I found it couldn't handle #includes on headers produced by code generators properly
But don't get me wrong, cmake is horrible
or rather, its script language is
but it's a huge improvement over what we had before, and it supports our needs better than the alternatives we looked at
it's certainly quirky... yay for endif(condition)
@je4d you only need endif(), don't need the condition
just the parens
@KonradRudolph wuick perly question for ye... want to use a perl script to trigger a shell command, I know I can use back ticks to execute a string a shell command and capture the response, but can I put my own variables into that? say if I was using the perl script to do something based on the current time?
15:31
@jalf when did they change that?
@thecoshman Not sure what you mean … Perl interpolates variables in backticks so saying my $result = `ls $dir`; works
or do you mean environment variables?
but aaaanyway, we're stuck with cmake for now (we just spent the last year migrating to it, we're not going through that again right now), and it's much better than what we had
@KonradRudolph ah yes, so the back ticks get the same treatment as double quote marks7
but there's still room for improvement, which is why it's nice that one of my coworkers is actually doing that ;)
15:33
@jalf well, you are still in the migratory mind set
@KonradRudolph sweet
@jalf what were you on before? autotools?
and backticks do return the the text the command you called outputs to stdout right
@je4d Drugs
@thecoshman And there’s also qx{} as an alias, i.e. you could write $result = qx{ls $dir};
@KonradRudolph oh, good to know
15:38
ok, off into the rain & madness that is χmas shopping
user142019
Class diagrams, what a fucking waste of time.
user142019
Stupid school.
oh lord, quoteception!
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aghh c++/cli is confusing >.<
@Ell ^ hat hat
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15:51
indeed :S
@je4d autotools for the linux parts + a plain VS2005 solution for the windows parts
with a few QMake bits here and there
oh, and a little bit of nmake
@jalf ouch
but yeah, for most of the code, it was autotools
sure you didn't have a few custom makefile rules hacked in there... to round out your coverage of legacy build tools?
@je4d well, now that you mention it...
15:55
@jalf autotools.. ouch
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GCHandle is not a valid template type argument for parameter... why not? :'( stupid thing >.<
now it's 100% cmake
@jalf does it involve code generators?
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oh god the horror: WindowPredicate^ predicate = (WindowPredicate^)GCHandle::FromIntPtr(IntPtr(std::get<1>(wi))).Target;
@je4d not much. There's moc, but nothing else that I can think of
you mentioned cmake having issues with code gen?
16:00
@jalf yeah, and I was going to say that it would pay off to familiarise yourself with the particulars of the issue - because it's unworkdaroundable and unfixable due to the "build system generator" approach
@je4d what is the problem?
there's some reason why it doesn't show up with moc all that much, which i can't remember the particulars off right now
but basically: if you have a program that generates a header, and a source file elsewhere that includes that header, the dependency between the two will not be recognized
i.e. The C++ include scanner does not take into account header file outputs of code generators, only headers that actually exist on the filesystem
@Ell use a temp variable, maybe?
why is that unfixable? As long as cmake knows what the output from the codegen is, it should be able to match that against anything depending on it
anyway, I'm heading home. Afk a bit :)
Isn't CMake used for building Qt stuffs?
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16:05
@sehe it's all about casting a single void pointer, so I think I may as well leave it as that
actually you're probably right
Oh, no, that's qmake.
@jalf Can't remember exaclty - I think it's because it's not doable in one or more of the backend systems it compiles to
How many names of the form [a-z]make are still available for build systems?
💩make.
@jalf There was a bug about it filed circa 2008, which was closed saying something that amounted to "you can work around it by making all your source files that are going to transitively include that generated header depend on the code gen target with an add_dependency"
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@R.MartinhoFernandes lololol
16:10
@R.MartinhoFernandes ☃ unicodesnowmanforyou.com
@Ell I should /cc @EtiennedeMartel and ask him WTF is that crap.
Xeo
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@TonyTheLion How about hitting the button called "fork" after running the code?
@R.MartinhoFernandes Inuktitut, hm?
Inuit language.
Inuktitut (Inuktitut syllabics: ) or Eastern Canadian Inuktitut, Eastern Canadian Inuit language is the name of some of the Inuit languages spoken in Canada. It is spoken in all areas north of the tree line, including parts of the provinces of Newfoundland and Labrador, Quebec, to some extent in northeastern Manitoba as well as the territories of Nunavut, the Northwest Territories, and traditionally on the Arctic Ocean coast of Yukon. It is recognised as an official language in Nunavut and the Northwest Territories. It also has legal recognition in Nunavik—a part of Québec—thanks in pa...
In other news, this looks interesting.
@Xeo oh lol
@EtiennedeMartel Can you speak that?
16:14
@R.MartinhoFernandes Nope.
I'm not Canadian.
(And, yeah, I know there's a lot of Inuits in Nunavik, ssshhhh).
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unresolved token std::vecotr blah blah @@@std@@std@@blah
Canadian, French, whatever.
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ahh ignore me
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@EtiennedeMartel > Remember, a house is not a home until it can kill intruders in at least 7 different ways simultaneously!
lol'd
I always liked "Home is where beds are made and butter is added to toast".
@TonyTheLion Read that last night... my face hurt by the time I was done. #10 is the best
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pastie.org/5557804 <-- ughh linker errors make me sad :(
> bitchgobblet potatoes
lol
user142019
16:29
Fuck OOP.
@TonyTheLion I don't know if that the kind of potato @CatPlusPlus likes.
@Zoidberg'-- You're just saying that because you suck.
People are making apocalypse jokes like there's no tomorrow.
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ugh this is taking far too long :O
@TonyTheLion "skittlefart"
What.
What's up with the walls of text in the Win8 room?
@EtiennedeMartel well, we should ask him? :P
16:36
@TonyTheLion The last one is the best.
I miss my umbilical cord, I grew attached to it.
lulz
@TonyTheLion The Bad Joke Cat sucks. Sometimes the jokes are not that bad.
You suck.
It's supposed to be bad
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think you missed the point.
damn
I was reading the Planetary Annihilation forums
16:40
In related news, everytime people try to censor "damn" as "d***", I can't help but read "dick".
he was talking about volatile structures, and I was like, volatile struct { int y; } x;?
@EtiennedeMartel Wait, people censor "damn"?
damn
@DeadMG is that some kind of a game or a reference to tomorrow?
@TonyTheLion It's a gaem.
16:41
ah right
Total Annihilation / Supreme Commander sequel in spirit
@TonyTheLion It's already the 21st somewhere.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Americans are prudes, remember?
lulz
I'm hungry and I realized I have no food at home
16:44
@EtiennedeMartel At least go for the rhyme: we're rude prudes.
@TonyTheLion Then get some food.
"Hey guys, I got a problem and an easy solution to that problem, I wonder what I should do"
@EtiennedeMartel Obfuscate the solution so they can't hire anybody else to maintain the code, and will be forced to give you a raise?
@EtiennedeMartel There's only one small shop around, so the choice won't be that epic.
I don't drive yet, so I can't just hop in the car and go to the supermarket
@R.MartinhoFernandes Probably that pesky law thing again.
16:47
what?
damn
I was about to respond with some epic sarcasm suggesting that you walk
but that would not actually have been funny at all
you suck.
One of my friends said to me "I have teeth, a fork has teeth, therefore I'm a fork".
what a waste of my sarcastic energies
@EtiennedeMartel sounds reasonable
16:48
I'll bill you for a refund
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah me too. So hows that coming?
@DeadMG ahahahahahaha
also
I expect compound interest
and an injunction
@TonyTheLion what? forks don't have teeth? saw blades have teeth.
16:52
From : http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13976779/programming-video-effects

> "itd be really convient if i didnt have to learn an entire new language and I could just write the script, "
That sure would be convenient.
And while we're at it, I would like my PC to transform into a butler who serves drinks and coffee.
@MooingDuck I will work on it when I get home (~half an hour). You just need to make a class that has the right ownership semantics: owns a node and all attached to it.
It'd be really useful if my PC could just grow new hardware
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh, a node-specific smart pointer that understands how to traverse all the nodes? That makes sense.
"i want to do c++ but dont wan 2 learn ze crazy pointer stuf becaus im not a nerd lol! care to give me hte codez?"
16:55
@ereOn why didn't you present entire funniness of that sentence?
> I know all know all the basic web scripting like javascript so itd be really convient if i didnt have to learn an entire new language and I could just write the script, "upload" the video and then download it, kind of like canvas but with videos?
lol, there is a hat for getting 15 hats.
@Grives: I thought that part only was already fun enough.
What the fuck. The Reincarnation still exists?
@R.MartinhoFernandes "My Dear Watson" is the best, anyway.
I know what I'm playing tonight.
17:00
parcheesi?
No, Reincarnation.
Used to be called Archmage before its developer tanked and the game was resurrected by fans.
@EtiennedeMartel You mean that old browser game?
wut...what use is a bullet proof backpack? :/
It's probably going to be 90% nostalgia and 10% genuine fun, but still.
17:03
Wow.
I remember that crap.
Not really interested to try it nowadays though.
Yeah, it probably sucks balls.
@melak47 Do these parents know that the usual bulletproof vest cannot give adequate protection against anything more powerful than 9mm?
lolololol, the language code for Portuguese is pt_PT, for Portuguese: Brazilian is pt_BR, and for Portuguese: Orthographic Agreement is pt_BR.
@EtiennedeMartel unless you can actually wear these backpacks, like, put em over your head, how is this going to help at all?
I knew there was little difference, but I was not expecting that to be acknowledged like this.
@R.MartinhoFernandes ...so brazilian portuguese is "more correct" than portuguese portuguese? o.O
17:08
No.
The orthographic agreement is a joke.
@EtiennedeMartel no
Mainly because there is no fucking agreement, except from maybe dictionary makers. cough
@EtiennedeMartel hey, I like Hunt for Red October :p
clusterfuck much? ^
17:18
that all ethernet?
Xeo
Xeo
@TonyTheLion Sec, I got a demotivator for that.
@TonyTheLion That's for insulation.
17:20
kek
missed a spot
@Xeo Actually there are these awesome modern systems that allow you to track cables visually so even a mess such as the above becomes manageable
Have you seen this magnificent answer that is one upvote shy of 15 stackoverflow.com/a/13970927/46642? Yes? Good. I am going home now.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Subtle.
17:31
now I've gotta un-upvote it
@EtiennedeMartel yeah... subtle as a brick through the window
Just as subtle as this attempt to get something starred
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@R.MartinhoFernandes Upvoted that when it was still in its infant stage. :P
Now that it's grown so nicely, I think I can remove that?
oh ffs
rejected
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17:49
The phone interview you had?
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@R.MartinhoFernandes Gratz?
@Xeo A network cable is unplugged. Would you like to: A) Jump out of a 30th story window, B) Commit Hari-Kari, C) be electrocuted, or D) all of the above simultaneously?
@ScottW PH..what? Sorry, never heard of that!
@Xeo Yep.
apparently, I'm just too passionate about something else
again
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lol?
@R.MartinhoFernandes Only joint 1st... have you got one in mind for #20?
@je4d "5 upvoted answers" seems easy.
hell, if you have a job and that legal thing
@DeadMG did you talk about php for 10 minutes, or how would they know that you are "too passionate" about something?
@R.MartinhoFernandes any idea if they have to be new answers since winterba.sh started?
17:57
@melak47 He asked me what I was doing, and I talked about it.
user1174868
Well fml
@je4d Nearly everything for winterba.sh applies only to what you do after it started.
user1174868
I have my computer science final today and I forgot how to program
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and I found out the college I am transferring to will onyl accept 30 of my 126 credits
@JerryCoffin right, but it could just be that new votes had to come in after it started, not necessarily the post itself
but I think T'd have 5 upvoted answers by now they didn't need to be new
17:59
now I feel grumpy
@Jordan well that sucks
@je4d Obviously. Do I doubt that I have five upvoted answers since ever?

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