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11:00 PM
@melak47 College Algebra is the first math college class here I think..
 
@Rapptz: Apparently: Yes. Only vector addition/dot product and when does a line cut a plane etc...
 
@Ell you could try asking them, checking their menu, or something else
 
user142019
There are four levels of maths in The Netherlands; A, B, C and D. My teacher recommended A and I'll never forgive that moron.
 
user142019
I could have done B instead and that would have been much easier.
 
Ell
@Zoidberg'-- They let me into further maths, but I am not good enough for it
actually that's a lie, I do believe I have the intellectual capacity
 
11:01 PM
but not the willpower/motivation? :p
 
Ell
but intellectual capacity is only half the battle
@melak47 yeah :L seriously, I don't do any work at home
 
I somehow regret that I didn't attend any geometry lecture.
 
Ell
Lack of willpower is my greatest downfall
 
E404 seems rather interesting
 
@Ell generally sandwiches, but sometimes also burgers, and soups
 
11:01 PM
@Ell that worked fine in school. not having that much luck with that approach in university though :(
 
Ell
@melak47 it did fine for me up to GCSE's, but now I'm at A-Level, it's really not working :O
 
@Ell wikipedia says mostly meats O.o
 
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Q: Are protected members accessible in non-direct descendants?

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Ell
@MooingDuck okay
ughh gawd I really want a donner kebab! :o
 
His question was so misleading
considering the problem in this code
 
11:04 PM
@Ell Deli is short for delicatessen, so at least in theory what they serve is delicacies.
 
@Ell in German that would be a "thunder kebab" :p
 
user142019
If you know how to add one to any integer you can already write most programs.
 
@Zoidberg'-- ...no
 
user142019
Stop taking me serious already!
 
@Zoidberg'-- ......no
 
11:05 PM
^_^
 
Do we really need to revoke your sarcasm license?
 
user142019
@Zeta oh no please don't revoke my sarcasm license!
 
Ell
@melak47 haha thunder kebab
 
@Zeta Please do
 
user142019
@Ell ME TOO <3
 
Ell
11:06 PM
Thunder is what you may feel in your bowels after eating one of those :3
 
D:
 
user142019
 
user142019
Doner kebab with chips and garlic sauce. ^
 
that looks like ranch in a salad to me
 
Ell
my mother would never let me eat a doner kebab :L
 
11:08 PM
@Zoidberg'-- how's that a kebab? it's just like...a meaty salad thing. where's the bread?
 
Ell
@melak47 there is no bread
 
user142019
@melak47 the meat is under the cheese and there is no bread.
 
Ell
there are different kinds of kebabs
 
user142019
I ate that last Saturday.
 
user142019
It's called a kapsalon.
 
11:09 PM
@melak47: Doesn't "doner kebab" only mean "rotating meat" or something similar? One with bread would usually called "doner kebab with pide" IIRC.
 
idk.
this is how it's usually served here though:
 
However, IDK. I ate doner once. It was awful.
 
Since when is this place Diner<C++> !?
 
I've never been served a rotating one, though.
 
user142019
@Borgleader s/diner/döner/
 
11:11 PM
hth = hope that helps, I had to google that
:(
 
hth = hoth, the ice planet.
 
@Zoidberg'-- No diner, a place where you get food.
 
user142019
ö
 
user142019
I am skinny.
 
anyway, gonna turn in early tonight. see y'all later
 
11:12 PM
@melak47 G'night.
 
user142019
@melak47 Goodbye friend.
 
@Zoidberg'-- 'ã……'
 
Ell
@melak47 nighty night :)
 
@Borgleader May I interest you in a good wine which fits perfectly to your chat message?
 
@Zoidberg'-- Enjoy it while you can. I (barely) remember that...
 
user142019
11:13 PM
I'm stuffing my stomach with delicious cookies.
 
@Zeta I don't drink wine
 
Ell
I am pudgy :P
Not fat, not skinny
I ought to lose weight
 
user142019
 
Ell
but it's not the end of the world yet
 
@Borgleader Then how do you run Windows apps on Linux?
 
11:13 PM
@IDWMaster I'm not on Linux. So I have no clue.
 
@Borgleader You mean you're not part of the Linux Master Race?
 
By the way; does anyone know how to render multiple lights in DirectX on downlevel hardware?
 
@Zoidberg'-- At only 58 calories apiece, you can afford a few.
 
Which has very few registers available on the GPU?
 
user142019
@JerryCoffin I almost ate the whole box. :c
 
11:14 PM
@Rapptz Master race? Sure...
 
By multiple lights I'm talking about 50 or so
 
@Zoidberg'-- Ah, to be young and able to eat like that...
@IDWMaster In that case, I think the operative word would be "slowly".
 
I'm on vacation now; so I'm trying to fullfill a friend's common request of: Write me a game.
 
My metabolism is pretty fast.. I wonder when it'll slow down because it's still at ~4k food calories a day..
 
So how can you even render 50 lights on older GPUs?
My shader code is something like this:
 
11:16 PM
"You can code, right? Could you write me a game? Should be easy for you. Come on, won't take much time..."
 
Ugh. Can't paste shader code from VM....
 
@IDWMaster Let me suggest fewer lights -- a lot fewer. You rarely need more than around 6 or 8.
 
user142019
How many programmers does it take to change a light bulb?
One; you don't need help with such a simple task.
 
@Zoidberg'-- Anti-joke Zoidberg'--
 
@JerryCoffin Why only 6 or 8 lights? What about lighting for projectiles, nearby flames, etc.?
 
11:17 PM
@Zoidberg'-- How many programmers does it take to change an object oriented light bulbs? None -- it changes itself.
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@Zeta It's either "write me a game" or "make me a new Facebook"
 
@IDWMaster: Oh, yes.
 
@JerryCoffin an detonates singularity, so wouldn't it light bulb?
 
user142019
@JerryCoffin you can't even access it.
 
singleton light bulb?
 
11:19 PM
@IDWMaster: Well, it's always the same: "You can TALENT, right? Could you TALENT ACTIVITY me a EXTREMELY TIME-CONSUMING RESULT? Should be easy for you. Come on, won't take much time..."
 
@IDWMaster Because lighting is only for how something affects other objects (putting light on it, casting shadows). Nearby flames, for example, will usually just be one light for the entire fire (changing size as needed).
 
@Rapptz Please, no one enters that room
 
user142019
@Zeta In those cases I always accept and I say I don't guarantee anything. Then I just forget about it.
 
user142019
I never understood the lightbulb jokes. :^(
 
And, of course: How many Apple programmers does it take to change a light bulb? Nobody knows -- you have to send it back to the factory to get the light bulb changed.
4
 
user142019
11:22 PM
How many iOS developers are needed to change a lightbulb?
None, that is a hardware problem.
 
user142019
Hey guys.
 
user142019
I am going
 
user142019
to sleep.
 
user142019
Farewell.
 
@Zoidberg'-- G'night. Happy post-apocalyptic zombie hunting tomorrow... :-)
 
11:27 PM
Here's an example of why I need more than 4 lights:
I have a cube
I want a light at each corner of the cube
That's 4 for the top vertices and 4 for the bottom
Total of 8 lights
Whoops
bad link'
 
Fixed
Bottom line is: I need more lights than what is supported by the GPU
Any ideas on how to do it? I'm not asking how to do it quickly; I'm just asking how on Earth would you do such a thing?
Other games must have a way of doing it
Some games have lights for every single projectile
 
@IDWMaster With 8 lights like that, you're basically just simulating ambient lighting.
 
@IDWMaster GPU only supports 4 point lights?
@IDWMaster also what Jerry said
 
@JerryCoffin And what about additional lights for projectiles?
 
11:31 PM
@IDWMaster no they don't. They just pretend to
 
@MooingDuck What do you mean by "pretend to"?
 
@IDWMaster Do you mean like when one blows up and lights up the landscape (and things like that?)
 
@IDWMaster a lot of games just put highlights around the projectile. Effectively a larger version of the projectile at 30% opacity, or a few of them, making it "glow"
 
@MooingDuck Ahhh. So THAT'S how you do it!
Thanks!
 
@IDWMaster http.developer.nvidia.com/GPUGems/gpugems_ch17.html mentions NVidea supporting 1024 point lights
 
11:35 PM
The Surface only supports 4
 
@IDWMaster sorry I have no idea what you're talking about, I don't do 3d
 
Ell
Graphics programming is incredibly difficult I think
 
agreed
 
I almost have a working engine now
Including the skeletal animation system
 
@IDWMaster I'll repeat: lighting is for things that light up their surroundings. You rarely need a large number, because the effects are (mostly) no longer noticeable as separate lights when you have a lot. As such, most of the time, you can just pick a few of the highest priority (brightest) lights, and use only them.
 
Ell
11:40 PM
the biggest shock for me was realising there is no such thing as "materials" in the sense of blender or other 3d modelling (i don't thinjk*?)
you have to write shaders For everuthibg
 
@Ell The Blender modeling tool?
 
As far as how to simulate lighting without hardware support: you start with a given color for the light. Compute the distance from the light to the object (light falls off quadratically with distance). Compute the reflection off the object based on its color, relectivity and the angle subtended between light and viewer with reflector at vertex. Figure falloff again from object to viewer. If it's very far, you typically want to model loss of light saturation based on distance as well.
 
Ell
Yeah
 
@Ell There are... afaik, unless we dont have the same definition of materials...
 
@JerryCoffin And you would probably do that in a shader I'm assuming?
 
Ell
11:43 PM
You're probably right, I'm a noob at graphics
 
Most of that turns out to be fairly simple matrix multiplications, provided you model everything correctly to start with. You just end up doing a lot of them to get a meaningful result.
 
The problem is, you run out of registers quickly.
 
@IDWMaster If you want results in a reasonable period of time, yes.
 
Ell
@borgleader csn you give me an example of how to make a material in OpenVM?
*opengl
 
OpenVM?
 
11:44 PM
@JerryCoffin Do you have a history in game development?
 
What is THAT?
 
@Ell That has nothing to do with Blender or the modeling tool. I thought you meant for the internal renderer.
 
@IDWMaster Yes -- if you want to simulate very many lights, you'll probably have to do it serially.
 
@JerryCoffin And I would imagine that would be done by adding up the colors for each pass (doing multiple render passes)?
The question is; how do you do that in DirectX?
 
Ell
@borgleader what I meant was making a "material" isn't as easy as a modelling tool like blender might have you believe
 
11:46 PM
Add the colors in each frame together with the previous one.
I've tried using the blending technique, but then I get odd transparency artifacts
 
@Ell Well in UDK it pretty much is. It all depends on what tool your game engine provides.
 
@StackedCrooked No, not games, at least in the conventional sense though a fair amount of the 3D graphics I've done could probably be called "games for executives", or something like that (i.e., it produced some pretty impressive looking pictures, but honest business value...meh, at best).
 
I assume Unity has something to that effect as well
 
@IDWMaster That I don't really know -- I've mostly used OpenGL. My use of DirectX was so long ago it's almost certainly meaningless now.
 
Windows 8 no longer supports OpenGL
Completely removed from their APIs
 
Ell
11:48 PM
@borgleader I've never used those. I guess when I said graphics programming, I meant low level graphics
 
It still works in Windows-7 mode
 
Ell
@idw are you serious? I swear that isn't right
 
@IDWMaster Yet another fatal flaw in Lose 8.
 
@Ell Yes, it's not a "supported API" for Windows-8 style apps, but it will work in legacy apps that run in Windows 7 (desktop) mode.
 
@Ell Ok then yes you either write them by hand or make a tool to do it for you.
 
11:49 PM
@JerryCoffin If they were willing to pay you for that then it must have had some value :)
 
Ell
Aw my god. why would they drop support for opengl? Where is that going to get them?
 
@Ell To the next level of DirectX
End of the world in 10 minutes
 
> An event is starting in 10 minutes in Lounge<C++> - "End of the world"
 
lol
 
PLEASE LET SOMETHING HAPPEN.. PRETTY PLEASE
 
11:50 PM
NOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
YESSSSSSSSSSSSS
 
Ell
This makes me want to not support windows in anything -.-
 
@StackedCrooked I suppose -- but I think it was more ego-stroking than helping make useful business decisions.
 
The cat put it under his time zone ahaha
 
So the apocalypse runs on GMT?
 
11:50 PM
OK, I'm still here. I was promised a quick exit, no lingering death from cancer, heart disease, multiple organ failure or linker errors. I have spent £85 on beer and food and I still have the linker errors :(((
 
@AndreiTita GMT -Cat
 
Must... repcap... before... apocalypse...
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Lol, JK, I already repcapped...
 
@Rapptz Everyone knows GMT+1 is the one true timezone.
 
Laugh out loud.
 
Ell
Pfft GMT is the real Meantime
 
11:52 PM
you dont reall think anything is going to happen do you?
really*
 
@IDWMaster only on WinRT / ARM, which doesn't run "real" programs anyway. Still supported on x86.
 
@StackedCrooked I used to work with a guy from England who had a Greenwich T-shirt, something about "Center of all space and time".
 
@AndreiTita where you from?
 
@MooingDuck No, look in the list of supported APIs; it's no longer supported on Windows 8, but is supported for Windows 7 apps running in the Windows 7 mode on windows 8.
 
@LuchianGrigore Ro.
 
11:54 PM
@IDWMaster that's for Windows Store Apps, which have a highly limited API
 
HA! I knew the name sounded romanian
 
I am here
End of the WORLD!
 
@MooingDuck Wish they just kept the name Metro. It's so confusing now. What do you call the apps? Windows 8 apps? Metro apps (no)? Windows store apps?
 
@DemCodeLines You going to be asleep
 
I was told an event will start here in 10 minutes
 
11:55 PM
by the way when is it going to end?
the world*
 
@DemCodeLines Oh yeah; it's an end-of-the world party
World ends soon
 
@DemCodeLines nope, the end starts exactly where it's supposed to start... the PHP room
 
Again
 
Why would I have a EotW party in a chat room?
 
@IDWMaster "Asinine bullshit" seems about right to me.
@LewsTherin Primarily because you're too young or too old to use it as an excuse to go drinking.
 
Alexandrescu is really active in this thread.
 
Hey. Anyone here experienced with linux shell scripts? (Wrong room I know but there's isn't one)
 
@JerryCoffin Oh.. that wouldn't stop anyone ;) It's the end of the world dude! :D
 
@LewsTherin Only if they can convince the bartender...
 
@IDWMaster officially "windows store apps"
 
11:58 PM
But seriouly I forgot when the date is for the end of the world
I mean the time
 
@IDWMaster and the reason is because the Windows Store Apps run on WinRT, which doesn't have openGL
@JABFreeware according to whom? Most say midnight
 
@MooingDuck okay, so maybe I can get my program working in that amount of time
 
@JerryCoffin Politeness when the world is about to end? This feels like a good time to quote BRAINIAC.
 
nothing is going to happen anyway
 

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