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18:00
@Insilico Hmmm.
How does stupidity explain this?
@R.MartinhoFernandes Their lawyers who write these things?
But how can stupidity lead to this?
Stupidity can lead to things you'd never dream of. It's stupid right, so it doesn't have to make sense.
What was the goal that their stupidity twisted into this?
18:02
make money
That's malice.
You are explaining the stupidity with malice.
At times, Google's "don't be evil" claim rings a bit hollow, but then things like this come along and make you think that (at least by comparison) they really are trying to be a bit more decent than some others.
No one was being an idiot in there. They know exactly what they're doing.
@JerryCoffin Google is by far the closest thing we have to a "good guy" in this industry. Which says a lot about everybody else.
@EtiennedeMartel Precisely.
Those bastards keep forcing a Google+ account on me and they won't leave me alone :(
18:04
Doesn't Google Drive have some similar terms?
stick to reddit.
@R.MartinhoFernandes They can sell your documents to other people?
no details, no nothing. Free links!
@Insilico They have a license to whatever you put into Google Drive.
SO also has licence to all our chat transcripts
user142019
18:06
Dear Intel, your manual is bad and you should feel bad.
Guys, you know what I dislike? Vague clauses. It's never "you own your stuff" our "we own your stuff", it's always "we might maybe own some part of your stuff depending on our mood".
Fuck vagueness
@TonyTheLion I think it's all CC wiki.
Not sure about Google Drive, but Google+ clearly states you retain full rights to photos you post there.
@Rapptz What is that license? If it's a license to "host my stuff on another machine", then obviously I have to grant them that.
18:07
@Insilico My lawyer-fu is not strong enough, but I got the impression they can do whatever the fuck they want with the content.
At least at launch.
No idea if they changed that.
@R.MartinhoFernandes What about Google Apps for Business? Surely they can't do whatever they want with documents you store with them.
@JerryCoffin That does not imply they don't have too many rights on them.
Encrypt important shit and it doesn't matter
Direct from the Google Drive terms of service: "Some of our Services allow you to submit content. You retain ownership of any intellectual property rights that you hold in that content. In short, what belongs to you stays yours."
When you upload or otherwise submit content to our Services, you give Google (and those we work with) a worldwide license to use, host, store, reproduce, modify, create derivative works (such as those resulting from translations, adaptations or other changes we make so that your content works better with our Services), communicate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute such content. The rights you grant in this license are for the limited purpose of operating, promoting, and improving our Services, and to develop new ones. This license continues even if you stop using o
18:09
The rights that you grant in this licence are for the limited purpose of operating, promoting and improving our Services, and to develop new ones. This licence continues even if you stop using our Services (for example, for a business listing that you have added to Google Maps)."
user142019
@JerryCoffin do those terms say Google has the right to change them without notice?
I believe this means they can use your photos for publicity.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Is that the same for all Google services?
@Zoidberg'-- They cannot change terms without notice.
However, they can always count on our good old human aversion to change.
18:10
I want to think Jerry's quoted terms and the Robot's quoted terms are written by two different people.
@Insilico Weird, eh?
Or does Google Drive's terms supercede the Google-wide terms?
Or, more accurately, they're aimed at different people (respectively real people and lawyers).
It's literally right there
After Jerry's line you get
@Insilico We both quoted from "Google Terms of Service"
18:11
When you upload or otherwise submit content to our Services, you give Google (and those we work with) a worldwide license to use, host, store, reproduce, modify, create derivative works (such as those resulting from translations, adaptations or other changes we make so that your content works better with our Services), communicate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute such content.
@Zoidberg'-- "We may modify these terms or any additional terms that apply to a Service to, for example, reflect changes to the law or changes to our Services. You should look at the terms regularly. We’ll post notice of modifications to these terms on this page. We’ll post notice of modified additional terms in the applicable Service. Changes will not apply retroactively and will become effective no sooner than fourteen days after they are posted."
> you give Google (and those we work with)
This is also interesting.
(Because lawyers come straight from the Abyss)
meh, that all sounds vague enough to allow them to do whatever with your stuff
yeah I don't use google drive for anything special
18:12
@R.MartinhoFernandes So the TOS contradicts itself?
Oops -- missed a sentence: "However, changes addressing new functions for a Service or changes made for legal reasons will be effective immediately."
5 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
@Insilico My lawyer-fu is not strong enough, but I got the impression they can do whatever the fuck they want with the content.
@Insilico Nope.
user142019
ITT: people are actually reading legal documents.
It doesn't remove your rights, but you give them all those rights listed.
> This photo makes me sad because it has highlighted to me that I will never in my life be as content or as comfortable as a ferret in a drawer of yarn. My existence is futile.
oh gawd ^
18:13
@Zoidberg'-- It's interesting to a certain degree, anyway.
"We totally only stole your business idea to make Google Something Or Other Service work better, by using your business idea. Completely in line with our ToS"
I say that Instagram should push through the TOS change. I want to see it go to court and set a precedent.
applicable?
user142019
Man.
user142019
18:15
Why do people buy tablets.
user142019
They are terrible.
Why did you buy one?
idk. facebook? can't be, they have smart phones for that..
Hmm, 75% off on Jade Empire.
@Insilico Yes, I want this to finally blow too.
18:15
@TonyTheLion This guy nailed it.
user142019
@TonyTheLion I thought they were fun.
@Zoidberg'-- mistake then eh?
user142019
Yup.
@EtiennedeMartel pretty much.
@Zoidberg'-- It's like a netbook with your thoughts sucked through a straw.
18:16
@TonyTheLion It doesn't change the fact that they can sell your shit. My computers are damn near worthless but I would still be upset if someone decided to sell them and not give me any money if they manage to sell my worthless junk.
user142019
Netbooks are also terrible.
user142019
They are even too small for xmonad.
Interestingly, however, if you use Google Drive from a Google Apps account, the terms of use are much stricter (they rights they get are much more restricted).
@Zoidberg'-- I don't quite understand it either.
@JerryCoffin They have to be. Businesses use them and would probably not be happy that Google can do whatever they want with their trade secrets.
(Then again, if they were that important you probably wouldn't be using Google Apps to store them)
> 7.1 Intellectual Property Rights. Except as expressly set forth herein, this Agreement does not grant either party any rights, implied or otherwise, to the other's content or any of the other's intellectual property. As between the parties, Customer owns all Intellectual Property Rights in Customer Data, and Google owns all Intellectual Property Rights in the Services.
18:19
@Insilico Perhaps -- but that applies even to free Google Apps accounts (though as I recall, they're not allowing new users to sign up for that any more).
@R.MartinhoFernandes So what's the definition of "Customer Data"?
> "Customer Data". means data, including email, provided, generated, transmitted or displayed via the Services by Customer or End Users.
@Insilico Probably -- in fact, somebody might be able to make a case that storing them that way removed their status as trade secrets. At least in the US trade secrets fall under state law; most states have language about your having to take "reasonable precautions" to protect them for something to remain a trade secret.
> Customer Data is Customer's Confidential Information.
@JerryCoffin However, doesn't Google advertise their services as having some security measures in place?
18:22
> 6.1 Obligations. Each party will: (a) protect the other party's Confidential Information with the same standard of care it uses to protect its own Confidential Information;
Man, the Google Apps terms are actually not evil at all.
@Insilico Some, yes. The question is whether it's enough to convince a court. My guess would be that most courts would be convinced, but I can see where some might not be.
As a reminder to everyone reading this chat transcript, we are not lawyers so everything we say about Google's/Facebook's/Instagram's TOS is complete bullshit.
Why does Access exist and why do I have to use it for this shitty assignment shit whyyyyyyyyyyyyy
@CatPlusPlus Mwhahahahahahaha
Their SQL engine is fucking retarded
18:27
@ScottW It's just a disclaimer. :-P
@CatPlusPlus I love your pain.
@CatPlusPlus Access has an SQL engine?
@Insilico "I am not ANAL."
It's fused with VBA for ~convenience~
user142019
wat
18:28
@CatPlusPlus Access exists because Borland bought Paradox, and Microsoft figured they needed to compete.
user142019
Coca-Cola commercial is not widescreen.
@Insilico I think it's called Jet or something.
user142019
Wat.
@CatPlusPlus That's nothing, I know one professor, who used access to do physical simulations :/
It's crap, obviously.
18:28
what the hell is google Apps anyway?
@melak47 It's Google's offering of "cloud-based" services to business.
@melak47 Non-evil Google.
Email, data storage, etc.
sounds boring
I still have free GApps :smug:
18:29
@R.MartinhoFernandes Jet is Access' database engine (but it's not exactly a SQL engine). Oh, and just to keep things interesting: there are actually two Jet engines -- Jet Red and Jet Blue.
@melak47 When I say it. When Google says it (or any one of the "tech news" sites), it's The Best Thing Ever Made™.
@JerryCoffin Sounds like Pokémon.
And Jet "Fuck you if you know anything about databases"
@Insilico ™
user142019
Hahhahaha McDonald's commercial says "tasty".
18:30
Also reports are ~super important~
SUPER IMPORTNAT
BLBLBL
ITT Cat is driven to insanity. Cthulhu not involved.
@CatPlusPlus Actually, as engines go they're not all that bad (especially Jet Red -- which, unfortunately, is not the one that Access normally uses). Most of the problems come from Access itself, and how it uses the engine.
If I had a son, I would murder him if he were to turn out gay.
BLBLBLBL
18:31
Just cow
user142019
lololol what a fucking idiot
@CatPlusPlus ??
user142019
@CatPlusPlus Nothing
1 min ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
ITT Cat is driven to insanity. Cthulhu not involved.
18:32
@EtiennedeMartel I hope the account known for being satirical of homophobes?
I'm drowning in idiocy
@Insilico I don't think so.
@Insilico It was retweeted by @Homophobes, which collects these "pearls".
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: ITT Cat is driven to insanity. Cthulhu not involved. [c++] [c++11] [c++-faq]
@EtiennedeMartel Damn, and I was trying so hard to not be such a misanthrope today.
18:33
Internet is a wonderful tool to expose idiots to the whole world
@CatPlusPlus And have a record of it forever!
One famous Polish SciFi writer Stanislaw Lem said: I didn't know there are so many idiots in the world until I've started using internet.
> a man found guilty of homosexual conduct for sending a text message to another man saying, “I’m very much in love with you.”
Now that is just fucking stupid.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, I saw that on All Out.
18:42
MT @ccfinlay: @paolobacigalupi Parts of the The Hobbit make Indiana Jones And The Temple of Doom look subtle and sophisticated.
Ow :(
Aahaha you know what fuck this assignment
I haven't seen The Hobbit, but I heard it was padded as fuck.
I will fail this degree and I'll be smug as fuck about it
Really? I thought they're doing two parts because they didn't have time to put everything in one :psyduck:
lol, right.
That's why they made six LOTR parts, right?
Oh wait.
Well director's cut might as be six
I always fall asleep midway
Anyway not like there's so many movies to choose from
It's all about the mighty 3D these days
18:46
@CatPlusPlus what happens then
Btw, @sbi are you still going to watch The Hobbit?
@CatPlusPlus That's why you always need your amphetamines.
@CatPlusPlus They're doing three.
@melak47 I'll finally feel free of this shit and have time to really concentrate on my job
@EtiennedeMartel what
18:47
@EtiennedeMartel lolwut
what
> It is the first of a three-part film adaptation
ahahaha
That's definitely pushing it
I know they wanted to really rework it so that it's clearly a prequel to LOTR, but still.
Padded up the butt.
Honestly
Hobbit is less than 1/3 of LOTR, and that's skipping boring parts
@EtiennedeMartel OMG you are right.
My guess? Money.
18:49
No way.
it was fucking long when I went to see it
though a good movie, nevertheless
To paraphrase Yahtzee, it's gonna sell like hotcakes lodged in copies of an unreleased Harry Potter book set during Hermione's bicurious phase.
Money in my movie industry?
> While the third film will largely make use of footage originally shot for the first and second films, it will require additional filming as well.
lolwut
I'm so looking forward to this when it comes out in BRRip on TPB.
18:52
They are really just stretching it. I thought they would make shit up.
Ahahaha this DB course is ridiculous
Reports are important
user142019
And they better have front and end page
Because then you know everything has been printed
(Yup, this is fucking database course)
Frontpage is bad.
user142019
lol Frontpage was the first HTML editor I used.
18:55
@CatPlusPlus Well, those trees aren't gonna cut themselves.
user142019
Then I switched to Emacs.
@CatPlusPlus Please don't call Access a "fucking database"! The thought of Access multiplying is terrifying!
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@Zoidberg'-- When you do an image search for "the guy on history channel" you get nothing but GIFs of that dude on the History Channel. XD
I have no idea how people find mental strength to go through with these assignments
My god, @JerryCoffin, you're like a walking pun factory.
18:57
@CatPlusPlus Why is a database course (at a college, presumably) using Access?
BECAUSE IT'S FUCKING BAD
@CatPlusPlus Through sheer force of will, which you probably don't have.
Not anymore no
@Insilico Back when I was in college, we used Oracle.
user142019
Most courses are bad IME.
18:57
Not for uni shit
Then, in university, we used Posgres.
ITT Cat is defeated by Access.
We used Oracle.
@EtiennedeMartel At least Oracle could barely pass as a somewhat shitty DBMS.
@TonyTheLion Cat is easily defeated.
18:58
Ask me how my CS course includes industry automation
@EtiennedeMartel That's not really a pun, just taking something literally.
@JerryCoffin Isn't that the definition of a pun?
@CatPlusPlus How?
Maybe I should try something else
our database course was entirely theoretical
18:59
@TonyTheLion I have no idea, but it does
PID controllers are super important for CS too
user142019
We'll get databases in year fucking two and we already had to use them in the first project of year one.
@EtiennedeMartel No.
One would have to be a determined idiot to use Access for more than 5 minutes.
18:59
@Insilico Oh, Oracle does the job. It's just that it's ridiculously expensive, and a pain to setup.
or maybe I suppressed some memories, idk.
@R.MartinhoFernandes You're cool.
> It's just that it's ridiculously expensive, and a pain to setup.
The pun, also called paronomasia, is a form of word play which suggests two or more meanings, by exploiting multiple meanings of words, or of similar-sounding words, for an intended humorous or rhetorical effect. These ambiguities can arise from the intentional use and abuse of homophonic, homographic, metonymic, or metaphorical language. A pun differs from a malapropism in that a malapropism uses an incorrect expression that alludes to another (usually correct) expression, but a pun uses a correct expression that alludes to another (sometimes correct but more often absurdly humorous) ex...
I rest my case.
18:59
4 hours ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
> The pun, also called paronomasia, is a form of word play which suggests two or more meanings, by exploiting multiple meanings (...) of similar-sounding words, for an intended humorous or rhetorical effect.

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