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user142019
11:00 AM
For example 3/4.
 
@Pubby I think a close-up of boobs might sell better.
 
yeah I figured
that sounds annoying actually lol
 
What? Boobs?
 
no a rational class
 
user142019
Rational numbers are great.
 
11:01 AM
> This is used to set a glyph name or glyph id for a glyph with no unicode value.
yipikaye motherfucker, I found the bastard.
I win.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes how close?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh cool, yes it does help :) Thanks :)
 
@thecoshman As long as you see nothing else, but get to see the whole deal, it's fine.
 
I'm almost max level in Project Euler :(
but problem 404 and 406 are bugging me greatly
 
user142019
Oh 64-bit paging just requires me to enable PAE and entries are 64 bits wide rather than 32 bits wide.
 
11:07 AM
@Zoidberg'-- That was your doubt?
There are some pictures about that in the manual, IIRC.
 
user142019
Jup.
 
user142019
Section 3.4.2 is quite clear.
 
Yeah, some bits are quite understandable. But some can only be described as fucked up.
What are you using for testing?
 
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But I am now only implementing x86, not x86-64. I might do that eventually once I have something running.
 
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@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't have anything spectacular yet. I only know the two C source files compile. :P
 
11:09 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes When you get it wrong, it doesn't compile (if possible).
 
user142019
I'll use QEMU for testing I think.
 
@Zoidberg'-- testing what exactly?
 
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@melak47 kernel
 
@Zoidberg'-- Oh, I see now that you have no bootstrapping.
 
user142019
Not yet.
 
user142019
11:11 AM
But that's not very difficult. I'll use GRUB and Multiboot.
 
Reading youtube comments make my head hurt.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes you want square boobs, or round screens?
 
Yeah, I did not mean bootloader, I meant the multiboot stuffs and possibly other things that need to be done in asm before the C entry point (when I played with that, I started with paging enabled already, which required some trickery).
And you need a linker script and shit.
@thecoshman Use your imagination.
(Also, we are talking about a book)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'l squeeze them into shape
 
@Zoidberg'--, #osdev @ freenode and osdev.org may be interesting for you. And please, don't make half of osdev community cry and don't use multiboot and grub :( +, starting with x86-64 is simpler, because long mode environment is much clearer than protected mode.
That said, going to uni.
 
user142019
11:21 AM
Why wouldn't I use Multiboot and GRUB, exactly?
 
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And thanks for the other suggestions.
 
erm...
 
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10 mins ago, by Zoidberg'--
Not yet.
 
Well, I would not recommend writing a lot of code before testing.
Getting a proper test environment that allows some rudimentary debugging is essential.
 
this ^ (many times over)
 
11:23 AM
Don't you use GDB? :(
 
If you have lots of untested pieces moving debugging will be really hard.
 
<-- doesn't know how to use GDB
 
user142019
I'll spend most of this day reading the manual and learning more about paging. I want to understand how it works and what features it offers. I'll do make a testing environment as soon as possible.
 
user142019
@Rapptz GDB is easy.
 
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Q: check doubled symbols with spirit::qi

AlexanderI need to check text for doubled symbols. For example "1+1*2" should be ok, but "1**2+3" or "--1+4*3" should not. Consider part of spirit calc example. expression = term[_val=_1] >> *( ('+' >> term[_val+=_1]) | ('-' >> term[_...

@sehe ^ a question for you to repwhore on.
 
user142019
11:23 AM
And running a kernel under GDB is not the easiest thing, I think. :P
 
I'm spoiled by VS debugger
 
user142019
I always use LLDB except on Linux since LLDB only supports OS X. :<
 
@Rapptz I honestly cannot fathom why. :(
 
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(At least it only did the last time I checked.)
 
Zoidberg, multiboot is bloated and grub only supports linux boot protocol in reliable way - multiboot booting using grub isn't as reliable as you would think.
 
11:25 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Have you used it? It's so easy and nice :(
 
hah, mobile version of SE chat sucks
 
user142019
@Griwes I see. Well, time to write a boot loader soon then. :P
 
@Rapptz He's spent about the last two weeks cursing it.
 
@Griwes Yeah it's god awful.
 
@Rapptz I have been using it for the past almost two months at work. You can find my whining about its suckage all over the transcript.
 
11:25 AM
@Griwes could be worse
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You whiner!
 
You've been working for 2 months?
Whoa time flies
Wasn't it your first day like a couple weeks ago..
 
I started in November.
 
user142019
11:27 AM
Is there anybody using the GNU Operating System, actually?
 
That means I've been working in the same place for 3 years.. Hm.
 
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With anybody, I mean anybody.
 
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Except rms.
 
I didn't know GNU was an operating system until 2010 :)
 
@Zoidberg'-- You mean the Hurd?
 
user142019
11:29 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes yes that's the kenrel.
 
How can you be a programmer and not like to read at all? (I know I don't like reading story books, but I'm perfectly happy reading techy stuff)
 
Or what rms and comrades call GNU/Linux?
 
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No, not Linux.
 
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I know there are people using Linux. :P
 
@TonyTheLion Hypothetical argument?
 
11:30 AM
@Rapptz No, I overheard someone ( a dev) saying he doesn't like reading at all, not even tech stuffs.
 
user142019
I like reading tech stuff.
 
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It enlightens me.
 
I baffles me this person can even be a programmer
 
Does he dislike reading his own code too?
 
I'm starting to wonder...
 
user142019
11:30 AM
And increases my knowledge of thinks I like.
 
indeed :)
 
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@TonyTheLion probably a Java/PHP "programmer".
 
@Zoidberg'-- Java dev
 
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How does it not surprise me.
 
because Java/PHP devs have this stigma...
 
user142019
11:31 AM
How many languages does he "know"? Let me guess, only Java.
 
He probably dislikes it because he has to read so much code. Dat verbosity.
 
prolly
oh yea and CSS/HTML stuffs
@Rapptz his mind is abstracted into an interface that is only abstract and so can't do anything.
 
user142019
I refer to such people as code apes. (No offence to @sbi.)
 
too generic
 
@Zoidberg'-- Now you have insulted him, because he isn't a monkey.
 
user142019
11:33 AM
All they do is code and they don't design things or read docs or blogs or whatever and they're only interested in money. :P
 
user142019
@R.MartinhoFernandes fixed :P
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes both Hominoidea
:)
 
@Zoidberg'-- he doesn't read docs, cause can't "read". as in, doesn't like it to the point where even reading docs is too much
 
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@TonyTheLion he's illiterate?
 
user142019
The Illiterate Programmer would be a nice name for a blog.
 
user142019
11:35 AM
If you haven't ever read a man page, you're not a programmer. :^)
 
@Rapptz Both are eukaryotes too. So what?
 
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Both are life, so what?
 
@TonyTheLion He is the kind of guy I would fire.
 
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You'd also fire me.
 
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Because I'm an ignorant asshole. :P
 
11:36 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well mine is a super family comparison while yours is more generic :P
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes hahah, I would agree with you.
 
user142019
I'm getting an xmonad thumb. Like an Emacs pinky.
 
@Zoidberg'-- You do not seem to avoid learning, so that is irrelevant.
 
user142019
Learning is my love and my lust.
 
11:38 AM
Hate when plumbers give crap excuses for being late: “I’m collecting gold coins”, “I have to save a princess”, “I need mushroom to get big.”
 
user142019
A day without learning anything new is a waste of a day.
 
user142019
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think they ate too many mushrooms.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes he he he
 
@Zoidberg'-- I like to avoid new.
 
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@StackedCrooked me too, that's why I wrote make_unique.
 
11:40 AM
@Zoidberg'-- everyday is a learning day
 
user142019
brb, I have a meeting.
 
You have meetings?
 
Maybe have the book be a loose collection of articles? I started (a shitty) one on indices here jsfiddle.net/bDLKM
 
link errors suck balls
 
ie group good answers and good blog posts we've written into a cohesive reference guide
 
11:43 AM
@Pubby I like my indices packs as tuples, because then I can use std::tuple_element and shit.
 
you mean the tag?
 
wait, are you mofo's actually trying to write a book?
 
template <std::size_t... I>
using indices = std::tuple<std::integral_constant<std::size_t, I>...>;
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Wanna write part of that article? I don't know indices very well, it was just the thing on my mind.
 
lol pseudo code that is 75% C++
 
11:45 AM
@thecoshman I'm trying to get people interested
 
@Pubby I like your leading.
 
@Pubby I think you where right in what you said back there, a collection or articles rather then one cohesive book
 
user142019
@R.MartinhoFernandes school.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I have meetings, not usually very interesting, nevertheless, I have to attend
 
Also, I like making indices packs be tuples mostly because I can say my tuple implementation is made of tuples all the way down :P
(I need to finish up part 4)
 
11:49 AM
I always get worried with tuples thinking they will lenghten my compile time stupidly
I never use them as a generic type list because of it
 
Write a template <typename... T> using typelist = std::tuple<T...>; and switch if it proves problematic?
 
Sounds good. I actually have a fairly long "list interface" file for TMP type lists which abstracts the underlying type completely
It's nice because it works for C++03 too
 
Cards Against Humanity donates to Wikimedia Foundation (Note the reason for the donation mentioned on the check, bottom of page)
 
12:06 PM
Fuck yeah, I can now distinguish non-Unicode characters from each other. Am awesome. Now lunch. I win.
 
@Pubby On MSVC that might be entirely accurate, due to absense of variadics (even with the CTP I'm not sure whether their stdlib implementation actually leverages it yet)
 
@sehe That is not the only factor. You can still implement a very slow tuple with variadics (exhibit A: libstdc++)
 
@TonyTheLion That's one annoying page
 
But without variadics or compiler magic you may not have a choice, yeah.
 
12:12 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Mmm. My experience implementing basic variadic utilities is too limited to see where the nuances grow
 
user142019
Unfortunately for you, I'm back.
 
D:
 
user142019
It seems I'll have to write Java today. Please kill me.
 
user142019
My ex-coworker has seven monitors now. He is crazy.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes That should do it.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes One Night. But I bet you can't stand for long after taking that
 
Skillfully combined with a number of other ingredients.
 
"Create interface with std::string, pass around char* everywhere." WHY????
 
12:31 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Uh, this is probably a result from the Pure Food and Drug Act.
Looks pretty old truthfully.
 
user142019
Man Finntroll gives me some nice eargasm.
 
@sehe It doesn't.
 
@sehe There is no library CTP, AFAIK.
 
user142019
Teammate y u push non-compiling code to github/master.
 
user142019
Guess why the (Java) code didn't compile.
 
12:36 PM
he misnamed a public class?
 
because it doesn't?
 
That's what punching someone in the face is for, right?
 
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Mismatched close brace which was unseen due to no indentation at all.
 
very anticlimactic
 
No what at all?
Yeah, this is not what punching someone in the face is for.
This calls for something more hurtful, like say... kicking someone in the balls.
2
 
user142019
12:48 PM
They should teach Python as a first language if it were only for getting people used to indentation.
 
Hello
 
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Ohai
 
@Zoidberg'-- I can totally agree with that
 
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@netcoder Me too.
 
I hope, since you said it, unless you don't agree with yourself
 
user142019
12:50 PM
@netcoder Me too.
 
More stuff written: jsfiddle.net/bDLKM/2
I should probably compile the code :S
 
Why don't you just put that on your blog/website, whatever?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Me? Because I want a group book!
blogs suck
 
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Why?
 
12:52 PM
They are more or less a collection of articles.
Which happens to be what you are aiming for.
 
Too hard to find articles and they get outdated or contain wrong information
 
user142019
uh
 
user142019
Articles not in blogs also get outdated.
 
@Pubby How is a book different?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Easier to find, reference, etc. More focus on quality. Outdated still happens though.
 
12:54 PM
@Pubby That has nothing to do with being a blog.
 
It's just my anecdotal experience of reading blogs vs reading books
 
Anyway, whatever you want to call it. The point is, jsfiddle is a terrible place for this.
 
Heh, jsfiddle was just so I could paste the html output and see it
It would exist on a proper website when done
 
Make a repo somewhere.
 
user142019
Tumblr and GitHub support Markdown.
 
12:57 PM
I didn't commit anything yet though
 
What are you using for source editing and HTML generation?
 
asciidoc
 
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man2html :P
 
You can sell a book and crowd-source the money to go towards something
 
@Zoidberg'-- Wut.
 
12:58 PM
You can't really sell a blog.
 
user142019
Real bloggers blog in manpages.
 
user142019
@Rapptz You can sell ad space. Not that anybody likes that.
 
@Rapptz I don't see why not.
 
If 5 people buy your book for $5 you already made more money than your shitty blog will for the entire month.
 

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