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14:00
I never played that
@TonyTheLion I played your brain.
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You should play it. It’s fun.
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I NEED A MEDIC
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*randomly moves and rotates screwdriver*
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14:01
Suddenly healed.
So yeah, the other students in my German class cancelled their registrations, and now the whole deal was cancelled because not enough students for proper classes (i.e. one).
@DeadMG I'll play my own brain, I don't need you to play, thank you very much
@R.MartinhoFernandes Nun, kannst Du dann kein Deutsch lernen?
So, yeah, fuck.
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Time to work on Bliksems.
Ich werde du ein bisschen Deutsch beibringen. Gut? :P
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@TonyTheLion Je ne parle pas français.
my German is terrible
@TonyTheLion Better than mine.
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Wie heeft er Duits nodig, wanneer je Nederlands hebt?
14:04
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm sure you'll catch me up soon enough, living in Germany and all.
I don't think the ape ever understood a single word of German spoken by me without me repeating it. Sometimes thrice. Sometimes more.
@Zoidberg'-- Met nederlands raak je minder ver in de wereld dan met Duits.
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Met Vlaams geraak je nog minder ver.
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh, he seemed to understand me, IIRC.
@Zoidberg'-- Daarom gebruik ik het zelden
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@TonyTheLion Ich auch!
14:05
lulz
oh my... gcc man pages are rather large... I now have a rather hefty tomb on my desk to read through
@TonyTheLion Ich werde *dir ein bisschen Deutsch beibringen.
There are 400 billion birds in the world, 250,000 planes, and one Superman. So, in answer to your question - probably a bird.
@Zeta meh, I knew it. Grammar and all.
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@Zeta Zeta ist ein Pedant!
¬_¬ German...
I quite like German.
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or was it eine? or einen? or einer?
I wish I could speak it more.
@Zoidberg'-- Pedanterie? Wage ich nie :P
14:07
oder einem
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I like German, but I like Dutch better (or more, or whatever; stupinglish).
I love English :)
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And I love PHP and I’m the queen.
I'm king, wanna marry me?
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NEIN
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14:09
You know
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I’d never want to marry somebody who loves PHP.
Unless you are said PHP.
I know English, my lack of real knowledge of any other language renders my opinion of it rather moot
yes
Swedish is quite cool too
need to pick up learning that again
You should learn Portuguese.
14:10
Hmmmm
I can try
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Farei que, logo que possível.
Bom dia!
@Zoidberg'-- Oh gawd, WTF is that supposed to mean?
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“I'll do that as soon as possible.” :P
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According to Google Translate.
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14:11
Or, as the App Store says it, Google Transalte.
@TonyTheLion It's the afternoon...
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hm if I want to export a function which is in a namespace should I just write in the .def file:
EXPORTS
namespace_name::function_name
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?
@Zoidberg'-- Gosh, that thing sucks.
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@GamErix wat
14:12
@R.MartinhoFernandes Boa Tarde.
it took me three years to flounder at Spanish, I barely managed numbers
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@Zoidberg'-- export functions from a DLL I'm making
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Stop talking gibberish, merde.
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@GamErix wat language is that.
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It doesn’t look like C++ at all.
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14:13
@Zoidberg'-- c++
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Visual Studio uses .DEF files for DLL exports in C/C++
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@GamErix wat. Do you need to explicitly create a symbol table?
@Zoidberg'-- It got "as soon as possible" right, but the rest is just pure gibberish.
@GamErix Looked like english.. man my c++ is getting rusty
@Zoidberg'-- You should say that
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14:14
but now I have a function in a namespace and I don't know if I should just write "function_name" or "namespace_name::function_name" in the EXPORTS
@TonyTheLion :)
@Neil or... your English
too many funny symbols on letters in Portuguese
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@TonyTheLion You haven’t seen Polish.
14:15
ã
`´~^ and ¸ (no, that's not an ogonek)
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My official name is Słupik, not Slupik. I haven’t even got the slightest idea how to type the letter ł.
You're Polish descendent?
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Yes.
@GamErix: Why don't you use __declspec(dllexport) instead?
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14:16
@TonyTheLion żółć
@Zoidberg'-- Liar
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@sehe ?
@TonyTheLion That's a tilde.
so Polar Bear, have you met Zoidberg IRL then?
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14:17
@TonyTheLion afaik, no.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I know what it's called, doesn't mean I know how to say that letter.
@FredOverflow Y U MEMES ALL THE TIME?
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@wilx well I can use that but in the header file, so people can call fnction from my DLL, does it need to be namespace::function or just function? or what? ;o
@TonyTheLion It depends :S
@Zoidberg'-- You just typed it. And YES virtual keyboards count
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@sehe uh no.
14:18
@TonyTheLion nope
@TonyTheLion I need to vent some steam.
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I copied and pasted it from Wikipedia.
@Zoidberg'-- That's bad. And you should feel bad.
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I don’t feel bad.
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ęóąśłżźćń polish 'special' letters :p
14:19
@FredOverflow vent all the steam!
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not that much but ok :p
@Zoidberg'-- Psychopath
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@GamErix Dziewięćsetdziewięćdziesiątdziewięćmiliardówdzięwiećsetdziewiędziesiątdziewięćmi‌​lionówdziewięćsetdziewięsiątdziewięćtysięcydziewięćsetdziewiędździesięciodziewięc‌​ioletni is a Polish word.
@GamErix: You decorate function declarations with it. Basically, you need some preprocessor symbol like MYLIBRARY_EXPORT be either #define MYLIBRARY_EXPORT __declspec(dllexport) or #define MYLIBRARY_EXPORT __declspec(dllimport).
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It means 999,999,999,999.
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14:20
@Zoidberg'-- yep xd
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@sehe I’m Mooing Lobster?!
I want #pragma twice
for giggles
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xD
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#exclude <stdio.h> would be useful.
14:20
@TonyTheLion good idea
@TonyTheLion FWIW... "á", "à", "ã", and "â" are all read the same way (except when using in diphtongs). Don't ask me how I know when to use one or the other, I just know. It makes perfect sense, somehow :P
@Zoidberg'-- Mooing Mooning Lobster FTFY
@TonyTheLion How about #pragma never?
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@FredOverflow #if 0
What about the #endif?
14:21
@FredOverflow #pragma forever
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I want #pragma print T in templates.
@R.MartinhoFernandes yes, mother tongues...
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Which prints the typename at compile time.
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Something (a job) that is done in a loop can be said to be cyclic. What's a good word for something (a job) which is not cyclic?
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14:22
Bliksems, de robot was bliksemsnel!
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long __cdecl Functions::GetPlayerMoney(void) 0x100010a0 0x000010a0 2 (0x2) pluginsa.dll Z:\Games\GTA San Andreas\libraries\pluginsa.dll Exported Function

hmm so in the header file I can do like this now:
namespace Functions{long __declspec(dllimport) GetPlayerMoney(void) };
right? :P
My proper job title is probably more like C++ team bitch
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Yes, but there's more kinds of jobs around, so it's not just about being cyclic and acyclic.
as the guy who does all the things that no one else wants to do
@sbi We are not psychic!
14:23
@sbi serial? sequential?
Just psychotic
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@R.MartinhoFernandes we’re apsychic?
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@R.MartinhoFernandes Nor am I. How am I to know that you would come up with the opposite? :)
linear?
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@thecoshman That seems to imply repetition, too, no?
14:24
Maybe due to the use of the word "not". Just saying.
@sbi not at all
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Thesaurus has no entry for “cyclic”.
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@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, if I was able to properly describe what I want, I wouldn't come here and ask for a good description, would I?
@sbi It can? I've never seen "cyclic" used that way
simply that the 'sub tasks' follow one after the other
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14:25
ENOENT
@DeadMG yeah, I've seen it used as such
obscure, but valid
Pirate beats the puppy at English. Awesome.
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@thecoshman But they don't. This would be a one-off job.
"one-off job"
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I’ve only seen the word “cyclic” used in the context of graphs, dependencies and CRC.
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14:26
@Zoidberg'-- What about seasons? Aren't they cyclic, too?
estar com frio
@sbi interim job?
@TonyTheLion Foreigners have a tendency to use infinitives everywhere...
@sbi then simply say it is a one-off job, or a single job or something else to portray it's uniqueness
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@R.MartinhoFernandes That's basically it. Is there a less colloquial term for that?
@R.MartinhoFernandes I copy pasted it
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14:27
@sbi recurring, I’d say.
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However,
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data Season = Summer | Fall | Winter | Spring
seasons = cycle [Summer, Fall, Winter, Spring]
I think working in a morgue is more exciting than my job.
@TonyTheLion the people in morgues are so cool
@sbi Disposable, I'd usually say.
you use it once and then it's gone
14:29
@sbi Not that I know off. I ended up using OneShotEffect in a similar situation.
but that kinda implies putting it in the bin
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Sigh. Ok, let me give you more details. This is a job scheduling thingie. Assume I have threads, and threads can execute jobs. I throw a job at a thread, and that job will be executed by calling its operator()(). For some jobs, that operator is implemented by a loop, and they only end when the system shuts down. Those are called cyclic jobs. For others, they aren't. They are thrown at a threadpool, they do whatever they need to do, and then they're done.
I need a name for the latter ones.
@TonyTheLion If you are referring to yourself it would be "estou com frio", or more idiomatically "tenho frio".
@thecoshman they're pretty dead, afaik
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@DeadMG Nay, that seems to imply resource management.
14:31
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh right
ITT Robot teaches Lion basic Portuguese
@sbi Ah, that's quite different.
the long-term jobs are "persistent"
the other jobs are, well, just jobs, really
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@TonyTheLion I'd rather you learn basic Portuguese than Portuguese BASIC.
That has other conotations.
@sbi ephemeral (just to use a cool word)
14:32
this ^
@R.MartinhoFernandes or services or whatever
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@sbi You mean Lua?
or you could even use terminating and non-terminating
but yeah, they are just 'jobs', they don't really need a special name as there is nothing special about them.
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@thecoshman That is indeed the right word. Only, I bet none of my cow-workers would know it. :(
14:34
@sbi teach them it
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@thecoshman Actually, the cyclic jobs are the more common ones. One-off jobs are rather uncommon.
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Creating singletons!
'scoped jobs'?
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In Spring framework the logs often say “creating singletons” and “destroying singletons”. T_T
Why does MSVC #define _STD ::std::?
14:35
seems rather apt, as the jobs have a defined start and end
@FredOverflow because MS
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@thecoshman Man, once Björn and I are through redesigning this framework, they will have so much to learn, I'd rather avoid anything I can avoid.
Lemme dig for synonyms of "ephemeral".
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@thecoshman I’ll apt-get a job ASAP!
@R.MartinhoFernandes aka ephemeral :P
Transient.
45 secs ago, by sbi
Lemme dig for synonyms of "ephemeral".
14:36
The opposite is persistent, isn't it?
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@thecoshman Actually, I think this is from Dinkumware, where it is/was used for compilers that didn't implement namespaces.
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I’d call that “volatile”.
I think I'd call them singular.
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ephemeral
adjective
transitory, transient, fleeting, passing, short-lived, momentary, brief, short, cursory, temporary, impermanent, short-term; fading, evanescent, fugitive, fly-by-night; literary fugacious. ANTONYMS long-lived, permanent.
@sbi "They are thrown at a threadpool, they do whatever they need to do, and then they're done." <- Kamikaze?
14:37
@FredOverflow oooh, I like that :D
lol
@sbi Mayfly.
Ah, dammit, dat pun doesn't work as well in English.
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@Zoidberg'-- Thanks, that's a pretty good list. I could use "brief", "cursory" or "temporary". Are you using an online thesaurus?
Stupid language.
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@R.MartinhoFernandes I think those are the ones called "Eintagsfliegen" (one-day flies) in German, so I think I know what you're after.
14:39
@sbi Why are you building your own threadpool thingie, can't you just use PPL or TBB or whatever the existing frameworks are called?
@sbi ephemeros means "only survives one day" in Greek.
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@FredOverflow It's not threads, it's tasks a thing on this old (1996, and I am not kidding) VxWorks system between a thread and a process. This is VxWorks 5.5, IIRC, but with threading disabled. (Go figure.) Anyway, this is all very specific to the code in this company. The best we can do is to rip the existing proprietary framework apart and give them a new one.
VxWorks reminds me of WxWidgets...
huh... apparently the signedness of char is compiler defined :S
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14:42
@FredOverflow I have worked with that. As all GUI libraries I have seen, it feels like a dinosaur.
@thecoshman Yep.
is that right?
@thecoshman yep
@thecoshman yes
well tickle me green and feed me custard till I turn pink :P
And it's a distinct type, different from both signed char and unsigned char :)
14:43
reading this man page is not pointless then :D
I want char and byte, not that C++ undecided char/signed char/unsigned char nonsense.
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@sbi OS X comes with Thesaurus.
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@FredOverflow using byte = unsigned char;
Doesn't work well with iostreams, 100 will print as d.
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Nothing works well with I/O streams.
14:46
You tell me. When testing stuff on ogonek, I would so much prefer to look at hex values, but instead I would get crap printed as characters.
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@FredOverflow write a byte class that holds an unsigned char?
@Zoidberg'-- not a bad idea, actually
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You need to beware of padding and size, I think.
Make it a signed char for Java compatibility.
@Zoidberg'-- Wut.
Padding in a class with a single char member? lol
14:47
Only Hell++ would make that larger than 1 byte.
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@R.MartinhoFernandes I don’t know much about it.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Huh? char is the only Java type that's unsigned. It ranges from 0 to 65535.
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@FredOverflow but what about std::vector<byte>?
@Zoidberg'-- Alignment of the wrapper will be 1 byte. Padding is usually required if you have two members of different size.
@FredOverflow I thought we were talking about bytes.
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14:48
@StackedCrooked oh okay. I see.
@R.MartinhoFernandes right, stupid me
@Zoidberg'-- What about it?
@Zoidberg'-- Arrays don't change the size of their elements.
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Ohh okay.
I know, lets reinvent the wheel..
New IOStreams library? :)
14:50
Then we can make the best thing since sliced bread after that
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Oh how fun.
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Today’s class is about…
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PSEUDOCODE!
Let's make the wheel round.
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Hurray.
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14:50
I’m fucking happy.
Is PSEUDOCODE something like LOLCODE? :)
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Pseudocode > Java.
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@FredOverflow more like Python. :^)
@Zoidberg'-- Java has at least one implementation.
Perl is executable line noise, and Python is executable pseudo code.
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14:51
@R.MartinhoFernandes which is terrible.
^ the XKCD guy said that IIRC
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A: C++ Terminal Closes on Enter

user1817919If you're working on Windows, you can add the line system("pause"); at the end of the program. Or cin.get() if on Linux

Took long enough.
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@FredOverflow Haskell is executable mathematics.
Or use a breakpoint like a normal person — DeadMG 13 secs ago
People do that?
@R.MartinhoFernandes found duplicate
14:53
@R.MartinhoFernandes If you need to pause the program, use a breakpoint.
I have never actually seen anyone other than the puppy doing that.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I didn't come up with it myself, y'know
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yup. Ctrl-F5, but if I debug, well, a breakpoint seems apt
Oh well... :/
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A: C++ Terminal Closes on Enter

FredOverflowYou could put this in a header file: searching...

WTF
@R.MartinhoFernandes sorry
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14:56
Haskell is pseudocode understandable to category theorists.
I prefer to think of it as executable mathematical wankery
Yeah, but you don't know Haskell.
nobody knows
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14:58
Dear teacher, I know what pseudocode is. Thank you.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Tis true. But I did at least actually consider it.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Did Fred really put in a placeholder so he could have an early answer?
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Why didn’t I skip this class. ;_;
@Zoidberg'-- Yeah. But are you well-versed in the sheer unfathomable blessings of flowcharts?
@Collin "Early"? After three existing ones?
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14:59
@sehe what?
@Collin I was afraid it was going to be closed before I could finish my answer. What idiot voted to close? Oh wait, that was me :)
@Zoidberg'-- Lesson #2: flowcharts

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