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19:00
eh go back to work. This won't go anywhere anyway.
hehe will do - expect to see some link dropping in aprox ~ 3.75 hours
I'm at work too
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Q: Why does StackOverflow "promote" Microsoft products like Win8?

Tamer ShlashI've seen many events by SE, like the recent Apptivate.MS competition, that are in a way or in other "promoting" Microsoft or one of its products. While I know that there might be some commercial reasons behind that, like a "deal" between SE and Microsoft - and that is definitely fine in princip...

^^ Anti-Microsoft rant if anyone wants to get a kick out of.
Xeo
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What an idiot.
Wait until you find out some of the top contributors work at Microsoft. — Rapptz 5 secs ago
I still find that interesting.. They work at google too.
19:08
@thiagoh posted a quick answer, I unfortunately gotta go
@emartel cya
@Rapptz How so? Microsoft employees are people too...
Xeo
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What the fuck. is a synonym of and as such it's replaced with that ... wtf?!
user142019
wat
user142019
What if you have a question about STDs? :P
@Borgleader see ya :)
19:10
I think you dislike Microsoft. — Etienne de Martel 17 secs ago
"Captain Obvious" is my superhero identity.
You should get a gold badge
never had the site go down while I was on meta
made me lul
^^ That guy has a lot of power to be able to that. :P
Oh that's right, I can downvote on meta.
19:14
> and your open-source friends are free to engage SE under a similar agreement.
I was going to write an answer but I decided against it
@Rapptz Do it. We'll upvote you if it's good.
It was basically both of the answers combined so now it feels weird :(
Already deleted it
ah
haha... I'm so responsible for getting these types of questions downvoted into oblivion.
Went from -13 to -11
19:18
> Please note that I'm not criticizing SE, which has done quiet good things to make the web a better place. I'm just trying to understand the SE policy.
...by ranting against Microsoft...
Another "MICr0$0fT iZ EVil" post on meta
They're getting unoriginal
And boring
people now are downvoting before reading the question .. downvote first , read it later! — M.H 43 secs ago
^^ ahahahaha
@CatPlusPlus Not really. This one does it indirectly.
I'm not a big fan of Microsoft, but saying that they never did anything good for the web is just plain bullshit
Gotta give that to him.
19:19
Is this true?
> Microsoft is, obviously, a profit (no problem with that) closed source company that has its activities in fighting open source and free software (despite the few open source projects it participates), and has bad effects and activities in matters of web, user privacy, openness.. etc.
Who gives a shit about the web
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Microsoft makes open-source software.
I'm also not a big fan of a lot of the things the Microsoft does. But they've done more good than harm.
I read it but I still don't think that's right
It's a horrible cesspool of shit
It should die
With all the associated standards
19:20
@Rapptz Yes, that is actually true. It's one of the parts that I don't like about Microsoft.
Source? Interested tbh
user142019
I like the Web.
@Rapptz Google for Ballmer's rant against Linux.
That's the one I can think of off the top of my head.
Linux is cancer? lol
And if you think about it though, MS has every reason to kill off open source.
19:21
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A: Why not non-const reference to temporary objects?

user1161318The truth is you are expecting too much from C++. C++ is pretty loose with what it allows, and it's actually quite strict compared to C. This means that if it offers any kind of protection -- even if it seems half-hearted -- you should be grateful for that much. This answer is not meant to be ...

Since it's a potential direct competitor.
user142019
Microsoft and most vendors focus way too much on hardware specs, which most people don’t give a fuck about.
@emartel I could notice that when I comment the clear call I get no errors.. !!
> "Everyone in the Linux world remembers Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer's famous comment in 2001 that Linux is a 'cancer' that threatened Microsoft's intellectual property. While Microsoft hasn't formally rescinded its declaration that Linux violates its patents, at least one Microsoft executive admits that the company's earlier battle stance was a mistake. Microsoft wants the world to understand, whatever its issues with Linux, it no longer has any gripe toward open source."
@Rapptz Microsoft actually does a pretty good job in the realm of privacy.
19:22
@Mysticial I think that's a over-interpreting what he said though. I could as easily claim that Linus is against open source because he rants against C++, and some open source software is written in C++.
If you rant Linus is an asshole people would agree with you.
@JerryCoffin But even with that, I still have an overall positive view of the company since more than half the software I use is from MS.
user142019
Linus is not an asshole.
user142019
Linus is two assholes.
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One of them is his mouth.
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19:24
Out of his mouth comes shit.
@Zoidberg'-- In that case, I hate to think how many assholes Steve Ballmer must be!
@JerryCoffin Don't forget that it actually makes business sense for MS to kill off free and open-source.
Of course they don't admit that.
user142019
@JerryCoffin a total of DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS assholes, of course.
@Mysticial He's saying Linux is cancer because of its license (GPL).
@Rapptz Linus would agree with you
19:26
Just finished reading it
Isn't that.. you know.. true?
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Look at his sweat. ಠ_ಠ
GPL actually is a cancer technically
Yeah it is
It spreads and cannot be cured reliably :v
user142019
19:26
GPL is fine for kernels but if you release any library under GPL fuck you.
For applications in general
@Mysticial That's not entirely true. Yes, it clearly makes sense for them to want to kill off open source software that directly competes with their products. On the other hand, one of the basics of selling more of your product is to turn everything that complements your products into as low-priced a commodity as possible.
Any reusable code under GPL is suddenly not so reusable
user142019
And rms is an idiot. The only thing ever he did that was not wrong was Emacs. *runs*
@Zoidberg'-- No. GPL was designed from the ground up to force you into the GNU fold. It's an ideology over efficiency thing.
19:27
@Zoidberg'-- Yeah, he sweats a lot. While I was an intern, he gave a top, and his shirt like changed color in real-time.
user142019
whoopwhoopwhoopwhoopwhoopwhoopwhoopwhoopwhoopwhoopwhoopwhoop
@Zoidberg'-- You should be running after saying emacs isn't wrong.
Steve Ballmer is king
user142019
If Steve Ballmer is king, I’m moving to another kingdom.
19:28
Everyone agrees that RMS is a crazy person
@JerryCoffin Emacs is better than vi
user142019
Sublime Text 2 is better than Emacs.
@JerryCoffin On the other hand, why "turn" everything else into a complement product, when you can just roll out your own and sell it?
@JohanLundberg Jeez, I wonder who starred that.
What's that? I can't hear you over my owner powers.
@EtiennedeMartel Nobody, as far as I can see.
19:30
@EtiennedeMartel lol
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:<
@JerryCoffin Yeah, it probably was a hallucination or something.
@Mysticial Because a lot of it wouldn't be profitable.
@JerryCoffin Depends on the application. For something like an OS, yeah, it makes sense to make sure you keep your molopoly.
emacs is better than vi
*which of course it slipping away to tablets...
vim is also better than vi
nano is better than vi
Basically everything is better than vi
Except ed
And Visual Studio
@CatPlusPlus VS is greeeeaaaat.
19:33
hi
VS can't enter a fucking newline properly into a file
http://stackoverflow.com/a/13827149/583833
I never thought my Test class would come in handy on SO
@CatPlusPlus ?
It always inserts the wrong one and then complains that newlines are wrong :v
19:34
@CatPlusPlus Ladies and gentlemen, may I remind your of edlin?
@JerryCoffin And edlin
edit.com was cool tho
@CatPlusPlus Wait, so you dislike VS because you're unable to mess around with its settings?
The cool kids used QBASIC.EXE.
No, that's just one of the most hilarious parts of it
Cool kids used debug.com
Yeah, that was awesome
I learned assembly by piping text files to debug,com on win98 boxes
19:36
@CatPlusPlus ...and, for that matter xedit (there were at least two varieties: IBM's and Control Data's -- both exceptionally hideous).
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Q: Comma flashes then disappears in total reviews

Austin HenleyWhere it shows your total review count on the review tab such as late answers, it flashes the number with a comma for split second. For example, 2,119 before quickly turning into 2119. This is inconsistent with the stats page which always shows the number with a comma in the top right beside your...

guys guys my comma
i need it
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> The twentieth letter is twenty letters long!
user142019
wat
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It's me, I am the vocabulary GENIUS
19:40
@CatPlusPlus That's not your comma; it's mine. See, when I call it with my electromagnet, it comes to me. All the electrons are mine!
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A: Why not non-const reference to temporary objects?

FredOverflow C++ allows assignment of temporary objects only to const reference. Wrong, we have rvalue references now: String&& a = String("test");

@CatPlusPlus You're racist against commas.
death to all commas
@JerryCoffin Are you drunk?
Also fuck this shit.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I wish!
19:42
We need to play drinking game on Mumble some time
okay guys
I am extremely grumpy today.
I need a 2d API for windows and linux
@R.MartinhoFernandes I prefer women.
19:42
any ideas?
@CatPlusPlus We drink everytime the cat speaks.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Only if said shit agrees.
What's a 2D API?
@kbok Cairo
@kbok Define 2D API.
19:43
@Rapptz A not-3d graphic library
Or OpenGL if you're not a fan of text rendering
You're awfully accurate.
To display stuff in a window. Like what SDL does. I'd like something like SDL but without the suckage.
Oh.
19:43
@kbok SFML?
SFML?
SFML sucks too
My hobby: cockblocking the Cat.
I don't really care you know
19:44
SFML is decent.
@CatPlusPlus You have no credibility when it comes to saying something sucks.
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I have all credibility
SFML always reminds me of FML.
I'm an expert
@FredOverflow Simply Fuck My Life? :)
19:44
Super Fuck My Life or something?
Dang.
Your standards are too low
You're software sluts
So, SFML or Cairo.
Thanks
There is one more that Ell recommends but I forget the name.
@kbok "Simply and Fast Media Library". Incidentally, it's made by a French dude. So the "FML" part was probably intentional.
You can wrap GDI and X yourself I guess
But then you'll also want to kill yourself
19:45
@EtiennedeMartel Why would it?
And you won't have hardware acceleration
@kbok Because you guys love to say "FML".
Probably
@EtiennedeMartel What.
19:46
Why would we say that, it doesn't mean anything.
Found it..
Ell uses something called "gosu" but that's for 2D Game development
@CatPlusPlus That kind of defeats the point.
I'm not sure I want to use something aimed at game developers.
> Gosu is a 2D game development library for the Ruby and C++ programming languages
I said "but it's for 2d game development"
Oh yeah, I didn't read the "but" this way the first time :)
That name is worse than anything I ever came up with, and that's an achievement
19:49
It's actually for a simple 2D game, but I still don't want to use a gamedev library.
@CatPlusPlus Gosu does sound like an incredibly shitty name
> setCaption(L"Gosu Tutorial Game");
It's terrible
For some reason Google took me to fr.gosupermodel.com
Did you like it?
Well, okay, maybe not too terrible
user142019
19:51
> remote: Counting objects: 2729895, done.
But still, uses wchar_T
user142019
Stupid kernel.
And some globals
> #include <Gosu/Gosu.hpp>
OH COME ON.
static_cast<Gosu::Color::Channel>(red)
user142019
19:52
lol
user142019
What a terrible library.
I'm reading a tutorial
std::list<Star>
user142019
lol std::list
Looks meh overall
19:53
@kbok I like how the link brings me to "File not found".
Why the fuck is there a list in the tutorial?
@R.MartinhoFernandes Because skill is optional.
@kbok What's wrong?
@R.MartinhoFernandes Caps in filenames suck
15 mins ago, by Zoidberg'--
wat
user142019
19:54
Camelcase sucks too.
@EtiennedeMartel Well, it is frozen.
user142019
I.e. personal preference/style guide.
@kbok So you'd prefer.. #include <gosu/gosu.hpp> ?
Titled type names are actually better
caps confuse the windows filesystem and makes any windows programmer's life miserable
user142019
19:55
I like snake_case and PascalCase.
Er, no, they don't
@EtiennedeMartel Then we get halfwits like that guy from GSB that gloated about how he improved performance tenfold by switching from std::list to manually managed arrays.
@R.MartinhoFernandes he wanted <ogoneksu.h>.
user142019
And in Haskell and Objective-C I use camelCase only because that’s the convention.
Only if you're literally terrible and you have multiple filenames that normalise to the same filename
19:55
@JerryCoffin Is that a veiled jab at my naming policies?
@R.MartinhoFernandes Nope.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Link please?
Windows is not only OS that uses case-insensitive filesystem by default
@CatPlusPlus Or if you use any external tool that doesn't support casing?
@kbok wat
19:56
@R.MartinhoFernandes It it was, it would have been ogoneksu.h++
@JerryCoffin Dammit, @Etienne was faster.
I think OSX's filesystem is CI by default too
Or that was the earlier one
I don't remember
Not to mention all the issues with the SCM
There are no issues :psyduck:
user142019
lol, from the linux kernel docs, styleguide:
user142019
19:57
> First off, I'd suggest printing out a copy of the GNU coding standards, and NOT read it. Burn them, it's a great symbolic gesture.
To repeat myself
1 min ago, by Cat Plus Plus
Only if you're literally terrible and you have multiple filenames that normalise to the same filename
@R.MartinhoFernandes If it had been Luchian, he'd have answered before you were sure what you were asking. :-)
This is the only case when there are issues with filename case
(geddit)
Or if you want to change the casing of a file in the SCM
Dec 12 '11 at 15:58, by jalf
switched from STL list to a fixed sized array for some stuff, and speed is up by a factor of 100. I expected maybe just double :D
19:59
@Zoidberg'-- Rather the contrary. If you don't read them, you won't know what to avoid (read Google C++ guidelines for the same reason).
Man, that took some digging.
And there are actually tools that get confused by that. It's not my fault you never used them vOv
@kbok It is your fault you have used them, though.
@EtiennedeMartel ??
greetings folks
@Chimera I said you're old.

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