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18:00
A stabathon.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I learned a new word today x)
man
basically nobody on isocpp is interested in my allocator proposal
no responses either way
@DeadMG how did the iostream stuff go x)
Ell
Ell
"Separation of Concerns In Network Programming" - Programmers or stack overflow?
@nixeagle 8, but I have like 5000 background processes.
18:02
Wait wait wait wait wait holy shit
Saints Row 3 in Humble Bundle
@CatPlusPlus It's an Indie Game? o_O;
What is happening
@nixeagle Still vorking on it
@CatPlusPlus What. The. Fuck.
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's a ploy to rape your wallet.
18:04
@ThePhD there's a problem my system has not grown in memory after i downloaded the ram ?
Pay what you want for Saints Row: The Third, Darksiders, all 3 Company of Heroes, Red Faction Armageddon & Metro 2033! http://www.humblebundle.com
:psyduck:
@ThePhD It is not. I own the game already.
There's nothing Indie about that bundle.
Guess it's just a Humble Bundle.
Can I pay $0?
@ThePhD Why would you want to be a dick?
18:06
@R.MartinhoFernandes Because ... I don't know. Reasons?
I actually just wanted to know if I could. I wouldn't buy any of those games anyways.
But NOPE, gotta be a dollar.
@CatPlusPlus These guys really need the money, eh?
So far they've only solved 146 bundles.
@ThePhD You're crazy.
@CatPlusPlus None of those games sound like games I want....
@ThePhD try reloading that page
18:07
@ThePhD In 8 minutes.
And 350 now
Also if you don't want the games, then don't buy or play them.
@CatPlusPlus I think you meant 421 :o
RFA and Saints Row are fun
RF: Guerilla was more fun, but still
SR3 is really fun. Don't own RFA.
Maybe I will.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Psst, gift me the copies you don't need. :3c
Hmm
18:09
@ThePhD I thought you did not want the games?
Make up your mind
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Q: Careers 2.0 mocking my poor answers

AndreasI just got an email from Careers 2.0: We're impressed by your "r" tag answers on Stack Overflow. I've written two answers, with 0 and 1 upvotes. Maybe the algorithm should be tweaked so it's a bit harder to impress it?

SR3 is $50 in shops
^^ ahahahaha
@nixeagle Hey, I take anything for free.
... Well, except certain things.
@ThePhD Yeah, I was gonna say... shit?
18:10
But mostly everything that's free, I take it. Tinker it. Break it. Or just have it. Packrat Style!
darn, you ended my idea of flaming bag of dog ... what @Mysticial said x)
@Mysticial I think you get an invite if a very high rep upvotes you or something
@Mysticial I'll never take shit for free. If I'm gonna take shit, someone's going to pay for it goddamnit it.
@ThePhD Gifting is not allowed.
(I have done it before anyway; too many copies of Bastion)
morning y'all
18:11
@ThePhD Oh, so then in that case, I want $100 for my flaming bag.... Better get it while it is hot!
@ThePhD I take shit for free, it's called a girlfriend
oh wait, that's no free either
nevermind
Lulz
I will certainly gift whatever I get that I already have, but my meatspace buddies will be offered it first.
Oh yay, my hard drive just arrived.
@Mysticial ANIME A GO-GO!
Also I should really take a break from progamming. ._.
18:13
Wait, what, there's a IPL5?
I've been at it nonstop....
Next target: multithreading and an efficient FileSystemWatcher. 'Till then, SLEEP. And maybe food and games and shit and regular stuff people do with their time.
@kbok I got mine for the C tag after about 200 upvotes.
I got mine from javascript :)
I got mine in the migration from 1.0.
I also have about 50 invites left, if anyone is looking for one. Or two. Or twenty.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'll take one to see what it is x)
Ell
Ell
18:16
What is the best way to document a binary format? just a table?
Plus mathematica 9 is taking ages to download
Over 3400 now.
@nixeagle I am leaving work now, but I will give it to you when I get home (<30 minutes).
There, 15$ for all those games. Figured this was the least I could do.
ok
@Ell specify the endian and byte offsets.
18:17
They're going to break $1M by the weekend.
By tonight I bet
Nah, doesn't go that fast.
lol, someone gave: LET RELIC FINISH DoW3
$133.37
Should have been "LET THEM MAKE HW3".
Needs 183487 purchases at current average to break 1M.
18:19
I might buy, but won't be for a few days. I just bought Mathematica 9 x)
You're crazy.
Why? it is my field.
You're cropping math?
@nixeagle That only makes you more crazy.
Xeo
Xeo
What gifting are you guys talking about?
does DnD have any (incl nonstandard) notation for "roll NdM die and keep the top P"?
Xeo
Xeo
Ah, that looks nice. If only I had money and time. :)
# Bash question: what is the difference between `$(a)` and `(a)`? E.g.
> ([ "a" == "b" ] || { echo "Inequality" 1>&2 ; exit 1 ; })
=> Inequality

> $([ "a" == "b" ] || { echo "Inequality" 1>&2 ; exit 1 ; })
=> Inequality
18:25
@MooingDuck You mean the maximum? max(NdM) maybe?
@StackedCrooked The number of characters?
@Chimera That, I cannot deny.
$() is the same as backticks
@Pubby maximum several. Roll 4d6 and keep the highest 3.
oh hey, theres a wiki page on dice notation: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dice_notation
() launches subshell.
18:27
> I consider myself to be the next Isaac Newton.
@CatPlusPlus That makes sense.
@CatPlusPlus ticks are bad especially when on backs because you can't easily get to them for removal.
Well, I consider myself to be the next René Descartes.
@kbok That guy is a whoot.
$() is not portable to other shells though
Not that anyone cares about not-bash shells
18:28
"For instance, 4d6-L means a roll of 4 six-sided dice, dropping the lowest result." Well frick. Stupid double-usage-of-same-notation.
I consider myself the next @MooingDuck
@CatPlusPlus tcsh all the way!
I consider myself king of the Lounge
I consider myself to BE the lounge.
cat king cole
@StackedCrooked lol
18:31
@CatPlusPlus You're not here as often as the robot, though.
I'm here even when I'm not.
I don't have to be here, I have people to do that
"Some games extend the standard notation to AdX(kY)+B where, in addition to the above, Y is the number of dice kept from the roll." I like that notation much better
Delegation
The basis of successful empire
18:32
Damn the cat king and his potato power tower
@MooingDuck I like Yahtzee
The potato power tower with the all-seeing sprout
MMA takes 4 GB x)
18:37
I think that beats visual studio :o
Just dragged and dropped about 2.5 TB of digits onto the new drive. If it hashes, then I'll assume that the drive is okay and the enclosure can handle the drive.
2.5TB of primes or what lol
You're the only person on this planet to use phrase "2.5TB of digits"
ever
Ask the founder of oeis.org
I always thought computing all these digits of Pi was completely useless. Now it's clear that I'm completely wrong. It's good for burn-in testing, both for processors and hard drives...
18:38
Yea, a site dedicated to sequences of digits.
I had a bad experience with a number of HD enclosures not supporting 3TB drives and corrupting data.
I'm not letting that happen again...
Also the humble bundle is getting close to 100k already
The problem with >2TB drives is that older SATA interfaces don't have a large enough address to support it.
So when you try to address areas above the 2TiB range, it wraps around.
I discovered this the hard way when I tried to read from a 3TB drive that I plugged into an incompatible enclosure.
non-SATA3 mobos are for noobs anyway
Everything above the 2TiB point was hash failing.
On top of that, the OS wrote some temp files into the drive - above the 2TiB point, so it corrupted some data in the lower portion.
Usually you can see whether an enclosure supports >2TB or not just by plugging in an unformatted 3TB drive and seeing what it reports the size as.
But that doesn't work if the drive is already formatted.
And for esata enclosures, >2TB support is dependent on the esata controller not the enclosure.
So if you fill up a 3TB drive on via esata on one computer and move it to another, you'll end up with the same corruption if the new machine doesn't support >2TB.
18:45
What's it called when you read and write from the same object with 2 threads?
It causes UB
USB enclosures are safer because the controller is in the enclosure itself.
@Pubby Data race.
@Pubby C++11 makes it UB for any sort of unprotected data-race.
Also known as race condition to everyone outside C++ commitee.
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Q: C++11 introduced a standardized memory model. What does it mean? And how is it going to affect C++ programming?

NawazC++11 introduced a standardized memory model, but what exactly does that mean? And how is it going to affect C++ programming? Herb Sutter says here that, The memory model means that C++ code now has a standardized library to call regardless of who made the compiler and on what platform...

^^ All the hard-core details there.
18:47
race conditions are almost by nature undefined behavior. x)
The hardcore details are in the Standard!
*slightly less hardcore.
Hardcore enough to get the point across, but readable enough for me to understand.
First, you have to learn to think like a Language Lawyer.
lol
"First, get really drunk"
basically saying the C++ abstract machine is now multithreaded so you can reason about multiple threads in standardease.
18:49
@CatPlusPlus Yeah!
though I did note that gcc was keeping their __thread local stuff as it was faster than what the standard allowed.
from the changes page for 4.8
G++ now implements the C++11 thread_local keyword; this differs from the GNU __thread keyword primarily in that it allows dynamic initialization and destruction semantics. Unfortunately, this support requires a run-time penalty for references to non-function-local thread_local variables even if they don't need dynamic initialization, so users may want to continue to use __thread for TLS variables with static initialization semantics.
@Chimera What.
Oh, hey, I'm 7th! Not bad for someone who doesn't actively try to get stars.
@EtiennedeMartel That's apparently a website that shows who has the most starred messages. That link is for the Lounge.
How surprising. I'm first.
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19:03
@R.MartinhoFernandes You starwhore.
How much does a hipster weigh? An instagram.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Gotta star that..
I own anyway
Oh, is poop still getting us to the starboard?
Robot just have no life
pooptato
@CatPlusPlus lol
19:08
@Chimera Who wrote that? That's been looking for a way to see all those stats.
@EtiennedeMartel "How did the hipster burn his tongue? He drank his coffee before it was cool." oh, a hipster who drank his coffee before it was cool <- FAIL
@nixeagle I need your e-mail address to send you an invite. Send me an e-mail to [email protected] if you don't want to post it on a public chatroom.
@Cheersandhth.-Alf You seem to be missing the joke here.
@CatPlusPlus CatPoopPoop.
@EtiennedeMartel how about i post a photo of some cool coffee then?
dunno, maybe you're missing the joke?
he he
@R.MartinhoFernandes Haha, I have a higher star/post ratio.
19:12
@R.MartinhoFernandes ok second
What's the most starred message that was never pinned?
@Mysticial I don't know. The C# room posted it
Were the duck's marriage messages ever pinned?
@Mysticial Yes.
Damn...
19:14
^ Looks a bit like me (Alf)
Then I guess Fred's unsigned pun is probably the highest.
sent
@nixeagle "Sorry, that email has already been sent an invitation."?
@nixeagle I sent it manually, anyway.
@Mysticial If I have a nice sized Heatsink with two fans and my cpu temps are approaching 75C when fully loaded ( Folding at Home ) would you expect a water cooled solution to drop the temps to around 65C?
@Chimera Too many factors. Water cooling is in general better. But it depends on what type.
The lowest-end water coolers don't perform as well as the highest-end (and loudest) air-coolers.
All other factors being equal.
Xeo
Xeo
What do you guys think about cooling by simply submerging the whole motherboard in oil? :D
@Xeo It's been done before.
Xeo
Xeo
Yeah, and I heard it was pretty good.
19:23
I'm thinking about getting one of these:
http://www.jr.com/corsair/pe/C2R_CWCH100/
@Chimera Ooh... I have a single-fan version of one of those.
@Xeo But at some point you still have to remove the heat from the oil.
@Mysticial Do you recommend them?
Self-contained water coolers are considered "low-end" of water cooling. But if you replace the fans with really good ones. They can be amazing.
The high-end water coolers have really large external radiators which you normally place several feet from the computer.
*Or outside in the winter.
@Mysticial Well I'm just looking to get about a 10C drop at max load.
@EtiennedeMartel Yeah, I like how he makes fun of religion,
@Chimera If you replaced the two stock fans with something like this: newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835185054
Then yeah, you'll mostly likely get at least 10C improvement.
That's what I did on mine.
That said, I don't know how powerful your current fan is.
How you mount the radiator is also important too.
19:27
@Mysticial Are you talking about replacing the fans that come with the water cooler or a case fan?
The air inside the case is warming than outside.
So if you mount it as an out-draft, you pull warm in-case air through it.
If you mount it as an intake, you pull cool outside air through it.
@Mysticial It will be mounted on the top of the case and suck air in from the top most likely
But intakes are usually far from the CPU on current cases, so it's hard to mount as an in-take.
@Chimera You don't wanna suck air in from the top. That's a very bad idea.
Xeo
Xeo
Dust (and other stuff)?
All fans mounted at the top should be pointed up.
@Xeo yes
19:29
besides case heat dissipates at the top, no?
@netcoder Yep
@Mysticial Hmm... my case is the Cooler Master HAF XM which is designed really for a radiator on top.
You wanna pull air in from the side and the front. And push it through the back and the top.
@Chimera You should point it up anyways.
Yes you'll be pulling warm air from inside the case, but it's hard to get the best of both worlds.
My current setup mounts it as an outdraft on the back.
@Mysticial Ok I have one 200mm in the front and the side cover can support 2 120's or one 200mm.
So I'm pulling warm air from inside the case.
19:31
@Chimera He makes fun of idiots, actually, no matter what those idiots believe or think.
@EtiennedeMartel Seems he thinks all religion is idiotic.
@Chimera Try mounting it on the side if you have the space for it.
But it's gonna be awkward though since the side is also where the case opens up.
I used to mount mine on the side. But I found that it was better to use a more powerful fan and mount it on the back.
@Mysticial Yeah, but I think I could build a bracket to mount the radiator to the case close to the side panel...
@Chimera No. If you listen to him, he simply thinks that idiots are idiotic. Religions simply have louder idiots.
@EtiennedeMartel ah I guess I don't listen to him enough
Xeo
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19:34
@Mysticial If you have a fan where the case is opened, thinks can get ugly
He's a comedian, anyway. Making fun of people is his job.
@Chimera Sounds like that would work. Maybe a bit more complicated than necessary.
But he picks the easy targets, namely, those who seem to lack any logic.
Xeo
Xeo
Atleast just recently with my friend's PC it was a constant annoyance that we couldn't put the side-plate of the case away because it was connected to the inside.
@Xeo I've had bugs get stuck to the intake air-filters.
It's kinda hilarious.
Xeo
Xeo
19:34
lol
@Mysticial I just want to be sure I'll get my $100 bucks worth of extra cooling.
@Chimera I suggest mounting it at the top pointing up.
I suggest buying a larger fridge.
It's not any worse than air cooling since air cooling already takes in-case air.
@Mysticial ok.... will do.
@Mysticial that's a good point.
19:36
Note that if you have a lot of dust or bugs, you need to pay attention to whether your case is low-pressure or high-pressure.
Low-pressure cases have strong out-draft and intake. So the inside pressure is low. These tend to suck in a lot of dust - which can get stuck to all sorts of places.
High-pressure cases don't have this problem. But they are harder to build.
So if you replace your top fans with something potentially very powerful, make sure you seal up every single hole on your machine and place filters on all the intakes.
Otherwise you're in for a high-maintenance system.
Of my two enthusiast machines, one is low-pressure and the other is high-pressure.
I almost never have to dust out the high-pressure one.
The low-pressure one builds up dust in the USB ports, the card-reader... eeck...
@Mysticial ok. I usually take canned air and blow out my computers once a month.
@Chimera I bet you already have a low-pressure system. :)
@Mysticial yep....
My high-pressure systems never needed dusting - several years now.
@Mysticial It's not that big of a deal for me to blow the case out every so often.
19:42
@Chimera Then you're probably fine either way.
For me it's a bitch because I have to shutdown.
And I have too many things plugged in.
As I need to take the machine outside to dust it.
@Mysticial Yeah, I can handle shutting mine down once a month. :-)
@Mysticial That's what I do... from my porch.
I guess it doesn't bother you as much as me. :)
Most of my servers are extremely high-pressure.
Although maybe a PC vacumm would work?
I absolutely don't want to clean those things out.
> 5. @LinuxGamers not happy $101.00
lol
19:45
How do you know if a fan is high performance? CFM?
@Chimera For a fixed size, yes, CFM is all that matters.
Not just that too though.
> Thomas Jefferson once said: 'Of course the people don't want war. But the people can be brought to the bidding of their leader. All you have to do is tell them they're being attacked and denounce the pacifists for somehow a lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.' I think that was Jefferson. Oh wait. That was Hermann Goering. Shoot.
Since you're mounting them right up against the radiator, you want a fan that doesn't point very well.
You want one that kinda pushes the air more sideways than directly in front. That maximizes the contact it has with the radiator.
@Mysticial got it....
There's also the issues of whether to "push through" the radiator, or "pull from" the radiator.
You want push-through, with maximum spread.
19:48
@Mysticial I was going to push and pull...
Although I tend to prefer "pull from" when I don't have fan grills for safety.
@Chimera That solves it. :)
If you have enough space for it.
bbl, I have class.
@Mysticial Yeah, lots of space.
cya
@Cicada Holy sweet tits.
@Cicada apparently even landlines and cellphones are inaccessible
19:52
This is scary.
That is bad news.
Fighting cuts off Damascus airport, flights suspended
happy not to live in Syria :)
Is there a way to load a DLL on Windows without calling DllMain, and still be able to use GetProcAddress on it?
The charts are scary.
@IDWMaster Wait what. DllMain is only for "runnable" dlls.
19:54
@Cicada At runtime, not compile-time
Airport shut down? Means no reporters will be able to get in unless they drop in with a military unit.
Or drive there
if they're allowed
Meaning I want to be able to load an arbitrary DLL and run functions from it, but NOT call DllMain
@IDWMaster Well nobody obliges you to call dll main. How are you loading your dll?
@Cicada LoadLibraryEx
Isn't DllMain automatically called when LoadLibraryEx is called; unless you load it as a raw file?
19:55
@IDWMaster Yep that's right.
@Cicada Is there any way around that behavior?
DONT_RESOLVE_DLL_REFERENCES
0x00000001



If this value is used, and the executable module is a DLL, the system does not call DllMain for process and thread initialization and termination. Also, the system does not load additional executable modules that are referenced by the specified module.
not a DLL expert, but the first flag from the doc seems to be what you're looking for?
@emartel Deprecated
@IDWMaster Either compile with no entry point or look for the flag that doesn't call dll main (I seem to recall there's one)
oh right, I should have read the next line :)
19:57
Seems to be LOAD_LIBRARY_AS_IMAGE_RESOURCE

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