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16:00
@EtiennedeMartel WT R U TALKIN ABUT
Aucune idée.
@JerryCoffin Sorry to hear that. Several years ago I also had kidney stones, twice in two years.
@Chimera Ouch -- I've been fortunate enough to avoid that (at least so far).
@AnnaLear Yeah, very wrong to come into a room and start telling people to go to hell.
@Chimera Unless it's the PHP room.
16:01
@Cicada Oh, you.
@Cicada Hah
ok, why the fuck are we flagging stuff again?
Scroll up.
So is he banned yet?
@RakeshSawant don't worry about it, we as a group have enough power to make him succeed anyway.
16:01
@jalf India's outsourcing in here.
It's legitimate in this case.
@Cicada Pointless there -- they're clearly already in hell.
@Chimera For 58 minutes.
@EtiennedeMartel nice
@RakeshSawant Take a break for an hour... You can use this time to post your programming questions on SO where they belong.
16:02
@EtiennedeMartel POWER ABUSE
@Cicada Hey I did not do anything.
@Cicada "powering up abuse...."
@EtiennedeMartel Really? Dude, I'm not part of the SYSTEM
@jalf Power abuse charge complete!
"abuse fully powered and ready to fire"
Aw.
16:03
Enjoy your troll-free Friday, folks. (Except the ones you might be keeping as pets.)
I don't like this sentence.
@AnnaLear thanks
"troll-free friday", that should be a thing :D
@Cicada Yeah, roaches do not make good pets.
16:04
@AnnaLear heh, we do have a few of those don't we?
friday allday errday
@EtiennedeMartel that sleepy thing is cool, thanks
@kbok It's got a few bugs, but it works well.
@JerryCoffin The first time I had a kidney stone I thought I was having internal bleeding and went to the emergency room. Was given some real good medicine through an IV. :-)
I have some problem working with opencv from vs11
16:09
works well in 2010
Everyone who's worked with OpenCV in VS11, raise your hands please
havent tried in 2012
I think you might be better off asking on stackoverflow.com
Not in VS11, sorry.
that's kind of what the site is for
16:10
VS9 however. Or 10.
Yes in vs10 work very well
The problem is the following:
@EtiennedeMartel He's now suspended for 3h
@Cicada Why?
@Borgleader Because flags stacking
16:11
I make the question twice and I apology for that
@EricJavierHernandezSaura Well you've got an answer right? So what's wrong
then I compile opencv 2.4.1 and the problem persists
@Cicada Hmm, I'll look at the newbie hints, no idea what that is.
@EricJavierHernandezSaura Well clearly you are lacking the DLLs then.
@EricJavierHernandezSaura then there is something wrong with the way that you compiled it
16:12
@Borgleader The more flags are validated, the longer the ban.
@EtiennedeMartel Oh he got flagged for saying stuff ?
@Borgleader STUFF (scroll up)
@Borgleader Damn, aren't you late to the party.
I'll scroll up later, class is over
FOOOD TIME
CLAUEEESSE
16:14
Oh crap, you removed the "PLS HELP ME" message.
@kbok It's in my home, the bin.
@Cicada A fitting home for a roach.
Full of shit and garbage.
Yes <3
Congratulations on getting the reference.
I create a vs11 solution using cmake then the visual studio build fine
wink wink
16:18
ie.microsoft.com/testdrive/Performance/Bubbles
What is the point of that "benchmark"?
Sure FireFox is slower than IE running it... but really what does that mean?
IE is much faster.
@Chimera bragging rights
@EricJavierHernandezSaura so what is the problem?
Can we even be sure they didn't take advantage of some special IE features?
They did.
@Chimera of course they did
16:19
@Chimera Firefox is always slower.
Hardware acceleration.
@Chimera well, you could look at the benchmark code, surely
These days, the closest thing we got to a browser war is between IE and Chrome.
I wonder how Chrome would do.
Not very good.
16:20
Going to install it just to find out.
(source: I have Chrome)
@Chimera 25 FPS here with the default settings..
@EtiennedeMartel using Chrome?
17 FPS on my laptop.
@Chimera Yes.
16:20
@Chimera As I've said before about most benchmarks on the Internet, it's like teenagers who race cars, and whoever wins gets to keep both cars. The difference is that here the other guy gets to drive both cars, and you're suppose to believe his: "Trust me dude, I was really driving your car as fast as it would go!"
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@EtiennedeMartel you also have a different everything, so that's not relevant. You can only compare browsers on the same machine.
@Cicada Then you probably don't have a i7 3770k.
@EtiennedeMartel Not on my laptop, no. I have an i5 3550 on my desktop though.
@JerryCoffin Great analogy
16:21
@EtiennedeMartel huh, really? I'm honestly pretty impressed with Firefox' performance. And the fact that if I tried to use Chrome the way I use Firefox, it'd eat all the ram on my computer, and probably on any other computers within half a mile ;)
@EtiennedeMartel I have one at home. Will check it out after work.
not that it matters. I honestly can't remember the last time I came across a browser that was too slow on any website
@jalf What about Konqueror?
FF is dog slow at startup on my machine, which is why I dropped it
Not only on your machine.
16:23
@kbok is or was?
It is slow to start.
Well, 10 more FPS with Firefox.
@jalf It was last time I checked
I'm impressed.
a few months ago
16:23
Ok. :)
Starts pretty snappy on my machine, even with having to restore a session of 50-80 tabs
It really depends on the platform though. On my linux box it isn't much slower than chrome, but on win8 it's catastrophic.
@kbok ah, in my experience it's far worse on Linux than on Win7. Haven't tried it on Win8 though
also depends a lot on plugins/addons though
@jalf That can apply to pretty much all though.
@jalf I compare it to chrome/ie on the same platform. My linux box is way slower.
@JerryCoffin sure, but people tend to use more addons on firefox than other browsers, because more addons are available. And thus, their browser performance tends to be more impacted
16:26
My home PC i7 3770K with Nvidia GTX 650 should do well with that "benchmark".
@jalf Good point.
Anyway, I remember Firefox used to have horrendous startup times back in the day, but at least for my usage patterns, it's been quite a while since I've even thought about it
I hate to say this, but I've heard recent versions of IE are actually quite good.
@Chimera depends on what you want from a browser, I guess. I still can't stand using it
@jalf Yeah I don't use it either... just feels slimy.
16:28
afaik, IE10 does a fairly decent job of HTML/CSS/whatever compliance (IE9 still lacks a handful of features I care about), but the UI still drives me nuts regardless
If I have a stored procedure in sql server 2008, if I have multiple items inside a transaction, does the order matter? For example, in the gist below, does the order in which @KEY1 @KEY2 and @KEY3 appear matter?
It's the C++ room.
@kush "Welcome to the SQL Helpdesk, how can I help you?"
sorry guys
It's not the Lounge<SQL Server>.
16:29
@Chimera IMO, this benchmark tests entirely the wrong thing(s). While IE has sometimes been slower than others, speed has never been the core problem. It has caught up (quite a bit anyway) in terms of standards conformance, but it's mostly just sort of caught up. At least for most situations, it provides no real advantage.
@kush Why ask such a question in a C++ room?
wrong room :/
"for queries about SQL Server 2005, please follow the dotted blue line. For questions regarding the SQL standard, please take the elevator to the third floor". If you have questions about SQL injections, please stomp three times and turn around to face the wall"
@JerryCoffin Makes sense. It's nice they are finally trying to be a conform to standards.
@kush Depends what hemisphere you're in.
@Chimera Yeah -- I'm sure web developers will truly welcome the day when older versions of IE are rare enough that they can quit doing all sorts of hacks to make up for their shortcomings.
16:32
@JerryCoffin Discussing gout here? Ok, if anyone still had any doubt... you guys are officially old now. // cc @Chimera
@R.MartinhoFernandes :-)
@kush Given that you apparently only care about one target, testing seems reasonable here.
Ell
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I dropped opera because it didn't use hardware acceleration
woops I'm way behind
How can I possibly have a new version of Java to install after uninstalling Java? ZOMG ZOMBIES!!!!!!!!
sbi
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Hi.
16:46
Hi.
There was an article about developers being grumpy that I posted earlier
I did ping you a line or two later
user1182183
tomorow my bday party :X so nervous
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@TonyTheLion Yeah, got two pings, one from you and one from @kbok. Thanks, will look at it later.
@GamErix you having one alone?
are we all invited?
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Given a member function bool foo::bar(int baz), and an array const int fxrgl[] = {94, 128, 160};, how do I call bar() with all the values, when I have only C++03? I know it's something to do with std::memfun or something like it, but I am hazy on that.
user1182183
@TonyTheLion invited 12 people of which just 8 can come
16:48
oh cool :)
user1182183
@TonyTheLion well one person more couldn't hurt
@GamErix Woah, you're nervous about that?
Ell
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@GamErix why you nervous? it's your birthday party!
user1182183
@Ell ye but everything has to go right etc.. XD the food, the beer, the stuff, everything ; o
16:49
lol
I don't think I understood the question.
Ell
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@GamErix if theres enough beer and music it will be good
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@R.MartinhoFernandes That looks clumsy with all the sizeof(fxrgl)/sizeof(fxrgl[0]).
user1182183
@Ell music won't be a problem, now you mention it I have to go and create a long enough cable to connect my laptop to the radio :P
@sbi Make your own std::begin and std::end :P. Or a size function for arrays.
Ell
Ell
16:50
@GamErix the radio? you mean stereo? otherwise just use internet radio
user1182183
@Ell ye stereo
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@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, I might have to do that. (What header are they in in the new standard? I need to find a header name that makes sense.) But then you'd recommend a manual loop?
user1182183
@Ell the problem is I have a custom AUDIO OUT port in my laptop XD
user1182183
(no it's not a TELEPHONE RJ cable now, I changed it)
@sbi To use std::for_each you would need to use std::bind1st and std::mem_fun, which I don't think make for particularly readable code.
@sbi They're in <iterator>, I think.
sbi
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16:53
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, I should probably avoid that mess. If I can't write it off the top of my head, or at least with a hint at the right identifiers, the resulting code might be too hard to understand anyway.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ah, iterator.h is a nice name. Thanks!
@sbi I'd hesitate to use that one, <iterator> is a C++03 header too.
@MooingDuck iterator.h does not clash.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm aware, but it will be confusing to someone coming across the code.
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@MooingDuck Oh, it will be something like "std_util/iterator.h", which IMO is different enough from <iterator>.
@sbi yeah, that's good then
sbi
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16:56
@R.MartinhoFernandes He's not concerned with the compiler being confused, but with humans. Which is a valid concern.
Yes humans do get confused on occasion
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@TonyTheLion How could the robot know?
Robots probably just throw an exception.
16:58
I like the Author's Note
:P
lawl
Hi @sbi, I saw you in the subway this morning
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@kbok I rode the S-Bahn, not the subway.
@TonyTheLion Ugh. It's "if you need it badly enough..." Such an error spoils all the fun in this.
Also, I am at work.
sbi
sbi
@TonyTheLion Thanks. A NSFW link would have been better. My superior can see my monitor, you know.
user1182183
change room topic? xD
17:07
@sbi Sorry.
SHAWARMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA :D :D :D :D
sbi
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@TonyTheLion I didn't know what to make of that one.
anyways, it's not on your screen now
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: Teen drama queen whines about his birthday not being mentioned in the topic. [c++] [c++11] [c++-faq] [ofg]
user1182183
17:11
@R.MartinhoFernandes close enough
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@TonyTheLion Thanks. I still don't get it, though.
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@kbok Eh, that's indeed me!!
What's the French mean?
@kbok that's hilarious!! :)
"Sex beasts"
"Seduction in the animal reign"
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17:15
Ok. So it's an exhibition of... what exactly? Photos?
what? @sbi is a sex beast?!
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@TonyTheLion How do you think I acquired all my kids?
magic :P
yo nubberies
17:19
yo nub
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@kbok Looks like they have actual prepped animals, too.
I am back from watching Skyfall and visiting worthless government people
How did you like Skyfall?
@DeadMG Coincidence or what? Just talking about that in the C# room :P
holy shit, it was fucking awesome
none of that quantum of solace bullshit
17:21
Sad though
hmm
@DeadMG oh good, means I have an excuse to go see it now.
can't discuss, cause spoiler
@CatPlusPlus *ping*
@DeadMG Yep :(
17:22
but it was very awesome
and well worth the effort of viewing
Agreed. Btw, I think Adele did a good job with the intro.
@DeadMG Does he actually only drink beer ?
Ell
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@DeadMG yay I'm going to see that soon
@kbok No. He drinks one beer in one shot. I couldn't even make out the name (although it's kinda unmistakable). The rest of the film is business as usual.
@DeadMG pre-craig as usual?
17:29
@kbok The Young Bond series, he drank Coke strictly. But he did learn from a villain IIRC.
@thecoshman Did you make new pull req with just the build system changes?
No you didn't
guys, i'm off to go to the windows 8 cult event
see ya
There's a cult?
user142019
He meant cunt, obviously.
17:38
posted on October 26, 2012 by Scott Meyers

Rummaging around in the C++11 standard isn't all fun and games, but from time to time you come across true gems.  For example, this is from 2.14.7/1 in the standard: The pointer literal is the keyword nullptr. It is a prvalue of type std::nullptr_t.And this is from 18.2/9: nullptr_t is defined as follows: namespace std { typedef decltype(nullptr) nullptr_t; } So nullptr is of type nullp

@R.MartinhoFernandes There's free beer, (presumably)
Just wondering, any thoughts on polycode.org? Did anybody try it out?
Ell
Ell
is windows 8 out?
supposedly
@Nils I just read the description on the page and I still have no idea what it is. What is it?
17:41
Looks like something like Cinder or oopenframeworks
where you can also choose between C++ or lua.
I remember us bashing that oopenframeworks thing here.
What the hell is creative coding.
A quick glance tells me it violates rule #9.
Or maybe: is there non-creative coding
17:43
plenty of it
just thing of php
@DeadMG how old is daisy?
@DeadMG ohhh puppy
It sounds like an engine. Buzzwords on that page approach critical mass.
two years
@CatPlusPlus lol :)
17:44
there and thereabouts
@CatPlusPlus Yep.
Yup, engine. Less buzzwords on this page.
There's a Core class.
Config system for easy configuration management.
17:45
It's described as "the main core of the framework".
ConfigManager ahoy
Polycode::CoreServices: Global services singleton
Yup it's bad
Resource management and archived resource loading.
ResourceManager ahoy
Resource management sounds sooo stupid because resource management is built-in to the language.
Basic 2D shapes and 3D primitives.
Shape class hierarchy ahoy
17:46
bash ALL THE THINGS
@R.MartinhoFernandes built into the language?
@R.MartinhoFernandes Only CPU resource management.
I'm not reading the reference manual yet
So far I used qrc which turned my resources into C++ source code.
17:47
I want to see how many things you can guess by looking at feature list
Also it's assets dummies
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A: In C++ is "const" after type ID acceptable?

FredOverflowIn modern C++11, you could also use template typedefs to add clarity to complicated declarations: template<typename T> using Const = const T; template<typename T> using Ptr = T*; The three declarations you mentioned in your question: int const * a; int * const b; int * const * c;...

Abstracted shader system (currently GLSL and Cg support).
^ Can anybody double check the syntax? I don't have g++ 4.7 installed right now. Thanks.
So the conclusion is: it sucks donkey cock
Ahahaha abstracting over Cg good job
17:48
@CatPlusPlus Only GLSL and HLSL is worth abstracting over, and it's fuggin' hard. What even is Cg?
Cg is the thing that abstracts over GLSL and HLSL
humm I guess the author just put together some libs and added some "abstraction"
lol
What's with the lounge topic?
17:49
Cg (short for C for Graphics) is a high-level shading language developed by Nvidia in close collaboration with Microsoft for programming vertex and pixel shaders. It is very similar to Microsoft's HLSL. Cg is based on the C programming language and although they share the same syntax, some features of C were modified and new data types were added to make Cg more suitable for programming graphics processing units. This language is only suitable for GPU programming and is not a general programming language. The Cg compiler outputs DirectX or OpenGL shader programs. Background Due to techn...
Hows with the longue topic?
@CatPlusPlus That's so lolzy.
What's better is this:
Abstracted renderer (currently implemented via OpenGL).
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Some teen drama queen was whining about his birthday not being mentioned in the topic.
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh. i thought it might be me
17:51
Abstracted renderer that's totally not OpenGL or DirectX or anything (but yeah it's OpenGL)
Ell
Ell
I still don't quite understand shaders - is it a programme that runs on the gpu?
Fits with abstracting over CG
@Cheersandhth.-Alf You're not a teen anymore, AFAIK
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Nah, it's @GameErix.
@Ell Yeah, kinda.
17:51
@CatPlusPlus What is CG? Carbage Gollection?
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but I vaguely remember you have to compile it each run or something o.O
@FredOverflow oh lol :P
@FredOverflow C for Graphics. A shading language from Nvidia to abstract over the only other two shading languages.
@TonyTheLion nah, i'm a half hundred years
17:52
The framework under currently bashing abstracts over GLSL and Cg.
It makes GLSL better abstracted you see
next i'll take on some fancy new language, such as fortran
@R.MartinhoFernandes Another C dialect?
@Ell Recent OpenGL finally supports loading precompiled shaders.
@FredOverflow It's a shading language. The only C things it gets are syntax. Barely
With curly braces and semicolons?
Ell
Ell
Why not just use open gl only? that is platform independant anyway?
performance and effects
and library dependencies and size
and simply familiarity
First two lines are bullshit but yeah familiarity.
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I thought opengl was equally or more capable than directx for effects
Also driver support.
17:55
also, meh
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also I remember seeing directx is less performant than opengl, even on windows
So, who's the drama queen?
DirectX has been ahead of the curve for like, the last seven years
Some GPU drivers (hint hint fucking Intel) have abysmal support for one, but workable support for the other.
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Ell
or maybe that was just left for dead
17:55
but more importantly, OpenGL's driver support is kinda bad
@EtiennedeMartel Gam Erix.
What a surprise.
@Ell Well you have to manage resources, open (at least one) windows, capture input and humm, whatever..
and if I recall, their API has a bunch of things which are completely necessary for everybody that are "extensions" like double buffer flipping
Ell
Ell
yeah they have lots of extensions
17:56
also I believe that DX provides a lot of utility stuff that OGL does not
like text rendering
For everyone's benefit, here are definitions of "manage": merriam-webster.com/dictionary/manage.
Yes, text rendering in OGL is a bitch
But extensions are hardly a problem
@DeadMG Erm. There's no such extension.
O rly? Cause when we were looking at Kyrostat I'm pretty sure that we had to have something really basic like that as an abstraction over platform
17:58
How are u going to do text rendering in OpenGL?
Hi ! Who is capable to answer this ?
Turn the text into bezier curves and then pass them to OpenGL?

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