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@DeadMG Well, I didn't realize until yesterday that's what they hired me for.
your huge balls?
what to hell! after that serial upvoting get reversed, I am DOWN rep!
the thing your comment references
@thecoshman lol
our inner repwhores are still strong with us.
oh wait... I think it's that a user was removed, so I lost the upvote I had from them
but that doesn't sound right...
10:01
@TonyTheLion fun fun... But it helps a lot to have a specific area of the code to focus on
@thecoshman that would probably be daknok
then you can expand from there
@thecoshman It's like he never existed, you see
@jalf right
We can never speak of a deleted user. They've achieved oblivion
@TonyTheLion the selfish bugger
In my case, it was just that the guy who used to own those components quit, so his responsibilities got split between the new guys ;)
@BartekBanachewicz saw the 9gag post, did you? :P
@thecoshman yea that bastard. Depriving us of our most valuable commodity on this site.
@LuchianGrigore yea. This one was by far the most epicly stupid one.
@TonyTheLion the only commodity :P
Mega shark versus giant octopus was good too
@BartekBanachewicz Wtf, the mayor is played by Edgar Allan Poe IV
@thecoshman haha
Well, in the MSvsGO, the shark jumps up to 10,000ft and snatches a jumbo-jet
10:03
@BartekBanachewicz my favorite is Piranhaconda
they're all epic, tbh
@jalf ah right. I have no idea what your company does, but I do know you're more experienced than me and have more understanding of programming in general than me, so it's probably easier for you to get your mind around things.
I'm so good at making less of myself, I should be proud :P
SO c++ tag description: "C++ is a widely-used, statically-typed, free-form, compiled, multi-paradigm, intermediate-level, imperative, general-purpose, object-oriented programming language." IMHO "intermediate level" is wrong, "multi-level" more appropriate.
All the levels
program at all the levels
10:07
so what's your plan today puppy?
How do they explain the hammerhead one.. half-man, half-shark?
@Neil It's thorsday. Let's get hammered.
Which was the shark? The mother or the father?
Sharaped!
@BartekBanachewicz ¬_¬ what time zone you in?
@TonyTheLion @DeadMG "all-level" instead of "multi-level" ? sounds funny
10:09
@thecoshman you didn't get that (lame, stolen from 9gag) pun, did you?
@BartekBanachewicz I can count to potato
I just proposed a change to the tag wiki, but am not privileged, so its queued to be reviewed.
hm community wiki edit is.. 5k? yup, to approve.
@thecoshman He is one of us!
@Neil Wait for proof. I'm skeptic
10:11
@thecoshman Okay, then prove it. What is the best type of wood to use for a finger box?
@BartekBanachewicz 20k is required
I'm so tempted to +1 this. _bstr_t and _variant_t used to be my best friends back in the days when you really needed ATL to do a decent COM component in C++ — sehe 13 secs ago
^ I don't know whether it would really make much sense to use it in this context...
@BartekBanachewicz ok, I was looking at trusted user (for some reason that link came up when I tried)
10:16
damn, I want a gold badge. Only silver and bronze looks meh.
1000 reviews, here i come.
@Neil purple
@thecoshman I am indeed dubious now.
by the way, is there a rep requirement for reviewing?
How could you not know what a fingerbox is?
@Neil fish cakes!
10:19
Gold Bitch
@BartekBanachewicz I think it's 1k
@thecoshman Every kid had one at a certain point
Everybody knows the type of wood of their first fingerbox
@BartekBanachewicz oh another one from Poland
the cat is Polish too.
dat cat
@TonyTheLion umhwh? I thought it was pretty apparent I'm from Poland from the day 0. I believe we had discussion about "chrząszcz"
Wow
10:24
@BartekBanachewicz Chess?
when reviewing a question, if you click "it's fine" and someone flagged it then you get a dialog saying that you're wrong
that's incredibly douchey, even more coming from a bot
@BartekBanachewicz My guess for chrząszcz. Google untouched
@BartekBanachewicz oh I missed that
:(
@sehe nope. It means "beetle" ^^
I believe we had a discussion about how Tony is a muppet
:P
@BartekBanachewicz So, basically 'roach'?
@DeadMG Nobody knows how he does it
Coleoptera () is an order of insects commonly called beetles. The word "coleoptera" is from the Greek , koleos, meaning "sheath"; and , pteron, meaning "wing", thus "sheathed wing". The reason for the name is that most beetles have two pairs of wings, the front pair, the "elytra", being hardened and thickened into a sheath-like, or shell-like, protection for the rear pair, and for the rear part of the beetle's body. The superficial consistency of most beetles' morphology, in particular their possession of elytra, has long suggested that the Coleoptera are monophyletic, but there is gro...
@Xeo what the...
yay, "first rollback"
@TonyTheLion don't be so sure :)
10:34
btw, @kbok, I think the review requirements differ based by the type of the review. For example, I obviously cannot review close votes
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Q: Hey guys can you help me in these java methods

AbdulrhmanWrite a static method reverse(user of ADT) that takes as input a list l and reverses the order of its elements. public static void reverse(LinkList<T> l) { } Write a static method findRemove (user of ADT) that takes as input a list l and an element e. The method removes all the occurren...

@BartekBanachewicz Yeah :)
"Hey help me write my own program" - Vote to close
@TonyTheLion I think mostly it's just a question of being thrown into the deep end. It always feels overwhelming to begin with :)
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10:37
Dang @sehe, SO didn't tell me you posted an answer. :(
The community bulletin - read it.
@kbok doesn't change that the tag is useful though
@jalf Yes, it's rather overwhelming. More so than I expected.
@sehe, your answer was just flagged btw
10:39
@TonyTheLion I always feel like that's my weak point too. I just feel lost when faced with a lot of foreign code. But I guess most people feel that way.
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@BartekBanachewicz which one?
@kbok That's not my question, @kbok
I voted to reject the flag anyway
I wouldn't ask for my own question to be closed
10:41
what the fuck
Look at that ^ edit
"FIxed the grammatical mistakes" my ass.
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@BartekBanachewicz I'll take the edit to the title but removed the body :)
And marked the edit suggestion as not helpful
it should be "please help me to create" anyway
@Neil I know, I just wanted people to know where it's from :)
@kbok It wasn't even tagged homework by the time I saw it
@BartekBanachewicz Quick look, 'Javascript' - close.
10:44
what the fuck is wrong with this editor
Not saying how, just copy-pased .ajax example
@Xeo Oh. I had to find out where :)
I hate it when that happens too.
@BartekBanachewicz ?! Which one. And why?
@sehe vim one. I voted to reject the flag. It was before you've added some more explanation
Zomg.
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A: External Script Adding in Magento Custom Module Template File

Deepak PillaiBasically this will not harm ur page anyway..

@BartekBanachewicz Ah. That's interesting. The person probably thought I meant I prefer the cmd.exe command line? I clarified by adding 1 word.
@BartekBanachewicz lol. perverse, adding all that pleading at the end
@BartekBanachewicz Oh aha. People don't like it when you just answer. Typical Rationale: "you need to explain - can't expect everyone to understand".
@BartekBanachewicz Same people forget to look at the OP's post and notice that, clearly the OP knows vim.
10:50
yeah. Though I agree that "i've just thrown a piece of code at you" is feasible in , not where real users are
Maaaaaybe someone just thought I was joking, it was the cat... That person never used vim :)
Well, like you now, Bjarne was a little skeptical about the claim that he'd done anything like that, back in 2006. See e.g. http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.c++/msg/1fc435ef004677be, where I answered "First example I found now at the end of section 7.3.2, page 233". I don't have that book available here and now, but I assume that my own ref was correct. :-) — Cheers and hth. - Alf 37 mins ago
^ all people make miss takes
@BartekBanachewicz There. I much improved it. Breaking down a 5-key vim sequence for noobs :)
Ew. Someone thought I'm ... cute perhaps:
+1 I like this... But I love your avatar! — Killercam 2 mins ago
@sehe, it was ok for me even at it's 2-line first version, so you don't have to convince me
10:55
Oh well. I wish someone said it about my avatar :P
@Cheersandhth.-Alf and this being...?
more history, re @sbi's impossible to understand (and, bafflingly, starred!) comment about my photo, the above is a meeting of oslo c++ user group in 2008, i'm at first row
everyone on this photo looks exactly the same nerdy ^^ (jk)
by the way, Nokia-Siemens beat even the "C/C++". They're apparently looking for a "C-C++ developer"
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@Cheersandhth.-Alf But there is noone in the first row!
he he
how about "looking for C+/- developer"
11:20
Wait... what? MooingDuck is getting married?
@Cheersandhth.-Alf "impossible to understand" -- now that's cognitive dissonance for you
@LuchianGrigore Around this day, IIRC
Damn. [sees topic line]
@sehe well it doesn't ring any bells for me
?
I'm pretty sure "to ring a bell" needs to refer to memory (remembering something). I'm sure you can't be expected to 'somehow remember' what someone is trying to say to you
11:41
@jalf It's interesting, for me, I wasn't expecting to feel this lost. Obviously, I have never worked with a code base this large, which only adds to the overwhelm.
@TonyTheLion Yeah, I was in much the same situation when I started here. :)
Definitely a learning experience though
Nice Lambo
@jalf Yes. That is true.
and honestly, it's a definite confidence boost when you do start to get a grip on the code base
11:47
yes
@TonyTheLion Is it not split up into nice bite-size chunks, so you only need to work on one bit?
@MartinJames I need to fix a bug in project X, project X is very complex and rather large.
I'm essentially looking for a needle in a haystack with which I am not even remotely familiar
@TonyTheLion :((
I have called in the help of a coworker though
cause without him, I will still be looking for this bug in a months time
:)
can you write a unit test or something which exhibits the problem?
11:51
no
I can however reproduce the problem in a deterministic fashion
albeit not very helpful, it's something
@TonyTheLion I hope it's a reproducible bug in one unit. If it's an intermittent system error, you're probably shagged till you get a lot more experience with it.
@MartinJames it's a problem that can be reproduced quite easily.
@TonyTheLion It's a lot! You're half-way there already:)
fuck. I just got reject email from one of the companies I've applied to -.-
@BartekBanachewicz better than hearing nothing at all :)
@TonyTheLion then start spamming log messages and inserting breakpoints and things :)
11:55
@jalf but fuck, they didn't even interview me
don't be afraid to mess around with the code. Comment stuff out, hack and modify everything if it helps you :)
@BartekBanachewicz Well, they typically only interview a couple of candidates. The vast majority don't get as far as that
@jalf Also I have to turn back my laptop until the end of the next week
@jalf I'm always a bit weary about hacking code that I'm not familiar with.
which will leave me without a workstation
@BartekBanachewicz this is the reason you send out lots of CV's, because maybe 1 in 10 will get back to you and 1 in 3 will give you a phone interview, if you're lucky
@BartekBanachewicz well that sucks
11:59
I was going to buy one, anyway. But it will make me both short on cash and without a job.
@TonyTheLion well, you don't have to commit your changes ;) But in your local copy, hack away!
oh yea, I keep forgetting about version control
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@TonyTheLion I really dislike this notion of "mass applications". :/ Ingeus also wants us to do that (understandably, they want us to work asap), but I dislike it. I don't want to apply where I don't really want to work. :s
Wait, so @Tony is now working at @jalf's place?
@Xeo you don't have to pay for your living by yourself, do you?
@Xeo I understand what you're saying, but chances that you even get a reply from a lot of the places you apply for is remote, so you apply to any and all, and then when you get replies from some, then you can start filtering
@Xeo no. He's just giving me some advice.
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12:06
Oh, ok.
@TonyTheLion Do you have DVCS or normal VCS like SVN?
There's nothing normal about SVN.
I don't see what the distinction is between DVCS and VCS. Aren't the Version Control systems all supposed to be distrubuted or decentralized?
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@CatPlusPlus heh
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@TonyTheLion local repo and remote repo(s) (DVCS) vs only remote repo (normal VCS)
12:10
SVN is centralised.
hmmm
repo being where things are checked into?
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yes
ah right
then we have a VCS
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DVCS is awesome for hacking at stuff, commiting locally, and throwing it all away if nothing works
and you can just go back some revisions if some part didn't work
ah I see.
so you can personally track your changes, and then if things are final, commit to the main repo
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12:12
and at the end, when stuff just works, you push to the remote repo
correct
yea, sounds useful
so which are some DVCS's then?
is Git a DVCS?
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Git, Mercurial are the most popular
ah right
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@Cat please interrupt if I say anything nonsensical about how DVCS works and why they're awesome. :P
how is it that @CatPlusPlus seems to know so much about these things? have you used all of them so much you know or what?
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12:17
@Luc, the robot and the cat are probably the most zealous advocates of DVCS in here
Okay, I'm not entirely sure about @Luc, but the robot and cat are
oh right
wonder how the robot is getting along with that interview
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About the only trouble he should have is communication. :)
I assume his interviewer speak some English
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It'd be kinda awkward if they invited him and didn't speak English, knowing fully well that he does not speak German
awkward, but funny
12:23
Aber wenn es auf Deutsch ist, werdet ihr vielleicht einige probleme haben.
my German is bad.
afaik the robot does understand a little German.
he's a robot, he could have just installed a German language dataset
and be done with it
but he wants to be all human and shit :p
@TonyTheLion I'm awesome.
@CatPlusPlus oh well that explains it :)
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@TonyTheLion Mostly correct, but I think it should be "würde er" instead of "werdet ihr" if I got your intention right
@Xeo It should say "But when it's in German, he'll have some problems with it"
@Xeo yes, well that construct sounded wrong to me, but couldn't think of a better one.
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@TonyTheLion ah, then "vielleicht" is misplaced, as that means "he may have"
12:28
oh
I don't speak German enough to keep it maintained
meh
Duh. Maybe I should just say "fuck it", go to my parents, ask for money, live for 400E/month and focus on making mobile games
@BartekBanachewicz always worth trying.
@TonyTheLion I mean, I was kind of proud of myself that I'm not dependent on anyone.
But it's kind of harder -.-
@BartekBanachewicz yes. I know that feeling. But living with parents has definite advantages
Well, i wouldn't be living with them, anyway, as I moved away from my hometown
12:38
lol
@BartekBanachewicz There may not even have been a real job: "Fred's gonna get it on an internal promotion, but the company rules say we gotta waste time putting it out".
@TonyTheLion I have no German, which is a shame 'cos my main customer is in Germany.
One of my colleagues asked for links to a gcc manual (he wants to practice at home). I told him to use clang :)
12:58
@MartinJames nah, they're hiring a lot of people. The main reason probably would be that they're doing "Web 2.0 omg cloud omg azure omg", and I do C++
@MartinJames You 'have no' German :)
I'm a bit back in my mood though. I applied to another company thru linkedin, and they responded me after 2 minutes, asking for CV (I didn't add it because linkedin has file size limit... 200kB. Badum tss)
@BartekBanachewicz I so love that phrase. Imma use it "Web 2.0 omg cloud omg azure omg"
Sep 23 at 19:54, by sehe
@BartekBanachewicz That sounds like contortionism
@sehe Erm.. rephrase: 'my knowledge of the German language is negligible and mostly restricted to ordering beer and swear-words'. That's actually quite adequate for business in Germany.
@sehe feel free. I'd give it to you on CC Attribution licence
13:03
@MartinJames And 'Hitler lip-synch' clips
@sehe Well, if not for that stupid file limit, it would be easier. They automatically get all my data (actually, my CV is pretty much a copy of my linkedin profile)
@sehe I've copied it to my diary:)
@MartinJames Envisioning a physical booklet in pink fluffy jacket, with a blue ribbon to mark the last entry and little lock on the side
¬_¬ is the robot still trying to get a job, rather then waiting to help us?
13:06
@sehe Really, that's most disrepectful to my valued colleagues in Neuffen - you should be ashamed! Also, reminds me to finish their s/w over the weekend - Lord Haw-Haw will be on the phone Monday morning for sure.
how is everyone :) ?
@sehe Sadly, it's text file.
@MohamedAhmedNabil how is everyone what?
@thecoshman ..doing
@MohamedAhmedNabil how are we doing what?
13:09
@thecoshman ...stuff
@MohamedAhmedNabil I don't know what you are implying, but I have a perfectly normal sex life, thank you very much!
@thecoshman hahaa, made me laugh aloud
not that I care, it's my last day from the technical point of view
@thecoshman Would you be able to beat a raspberry ?
wow, what a coincidence, actually. sbi's too.
Omgf. "Proficiency in, at least, the following high-level object-oriented languages: Java, C++." After I read it, I immediately close the tab
Having a clear-out of office, esp. books. Fattest throwout so far: 'Microsoft Access Language Refernce'. Thinnest throwout so far: 'Getting Results with Microsoft Access 97'.
13:17
@MohamedAhmedNabil I'm pretty sure he could, but the pulp would go all over the place.
You're shifting to a functional point of view? Nah.
Philosophical :)
@BartekBanachewicz Well, you know. Last days of months tend to do that. Next Monday, expect a new wave of twitter updates saying "Hey - password change day" - "Hey, type-your-password-in-wrong week starts today"
@MartinJames "Microsoft Access Language Refer[e]nce" - as if Access is a language.
@sehe well, I'd rather not change my job at the end of every month
@MartinJames I pity you. (Although I'll admit I probably have that thick tome on my bookshelf at home. I'd like to stress it went unopened, except for ... maybe 30 minutes in 1998)
"Last days of months tend to do that"
That gives 12 days a year with heightened job-end-rates. Mixin the birthday paradox and you see how my statement makes oodles of sense: "tends to".
terrifying.
gosh, i am afraid my disorders are starting to kick in
my mood changed dramatically around 8-9 times today
@sehe I do think Microsoft is subjected to the horrible temptation of throwing buzzwords in everything.. "Microsoft Access Language Reference"
13:29
Update - I just found two computers. An old Dell I've long ago virtualised and thought had been thrown out and a grey box that still runs and has W2K on it - I had just forgotten about that one.
Anyone here use VS2012 by chance? I have a question regarding InstallShield
Install directory is set to [ProgramFilesFolder][Author]Name
Author is also set
1. Don't use IS.
however it installs to Program Files/[Author]Name/
13:30
2. ???
3. ?!!!
@rlemon something is wrong. Neeeeext!
Maybe because author name is unlikely to contain /
Hmmm
instead of replacing the Author name with the company name it just pumps out the string [Author]
13:31
I am writing a value_ptr equivalent without the template part, for a single class
Anyway back to 1
better than ClickOnce :P
If you have to create broken installers at least use NSIS.
Which kind of name would be adequate ? I'm thinking about "Handle" but it doesn't really carry value semantics.
13:32
Why are you writing specialised value_ptr.
Use value_ptr.
It's not specialized, it's equivalent. It's not equivalent.
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Make up your mind.
@kbok that's epic
If it's equivalent to value_ptr, it's specialised version of value_ptr.
That was on purpose.
13:34
Continually amazed at people who prefer to write code than steal it from others
Okay, long story long
I'm wrapping a C api, so I want a RAII-style handle for a C struct which has to be initialized and destroyed (and also has copy and assignment functions)
@CatPlusPlus it's often faster to write from scratch than to figure out someone else's code (requirements etc.). plus that that allows adaption to whatever needs one has. plus compatible with NIH syndrome.
So it's not a value_ptr, but it would be used in the same way
@MohamedAhmedNabil with a cold hard stare 0_0
@thecoshman NO. With a 40 ton weight
13:36
@kbok not_a_value_ptr_but_used_in_the_same_way_ptr
@Neil Yeah, something like this, but less verbose :)
The problem is, in order to name it, we'd have to know how it works in full detail, and to know how it works in full detail is a copyright infringement, and I don't want no copyright infringements
@MartinJames I have several old virtualized boxes sitting on my NAS (iSCSI shared). I should, for fun and glory, try running them once
Don't try to invent generic name for not-generic thing.
I'm not looking for a name, I'm looking for an adequate word.
13:39
"adequate" - There you are.
adequate_ptr ? lol
suitable_ptr
super_ptr
vampire_ptr
13:40
what's better, global variables (extern Log* g_log; extern Cfg* g_cfg;), singletons (Cfg::instance()) or ServiceLocator (struct SL {Log* g_log; Cfg* g_cfg;};) ?
microsoft_ptr (always results in bsod)
@Abyx bacon
@CatPlusPlus Starbait doesn't work like it's supposed to, these days
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@Abyx Latter, always.
@sehe Eh?
saas_ptr // the reference count determines your licensing costs
13:41
Anyway, all that code talk is boring.
@kbok :)
TIL starbait.
ptr_ptr (gets you nowhere fast)
imgur is loading slow as fuck today
13:42
convenient_ptr
silly cat... go lick your balls or whatever cats do when they are bored...
@MohamedAhmedNabil bah
What does -fsyntax-only in GCC do?
Can't exactly.. google GCC flags. Oh I got it now.
@Rapptz Gotta put it in quotation marks :)
It only syntaxes.
What do you think it does.
13:48
I didn't know it was error related.
@Rapptz When it fails to compile, rather than listing errors, it writes, "FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU"
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HEY GANG
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I STILL CAN'T ASK QUESTIONS OH NO
@Jordan good!
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13:50
oh
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no good
Maybe if you were a better poster you could.
I lost 32 rep.
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Cat
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To become a better poster I mustb e able to post, to be able to post I must become a better poster
13:52
Maybe you can work out your posting skills on Yahoo Answers.
I used to post on Yahoo Answers to help people with their math homework.
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I have never used yahoo for anything
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Someone ask a question that I can answer
@Rapptz Scholar is to SO as Moron is to Yahoo Answers
@Jordan What is two plus two?
13:55
Those who answered the math section of Yahoo Answers were intelligent.
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Someone ask "How do I use iteration in Scheme?" and I can answer that
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(+ 2 2)
"How do I use iteration in Scheme?"
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Post that
Not sure if they are now, I only did it for about a few months like 3+ years ago.
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13:56
I need SO karma
so much paper work! I really shouldn't have left it so late :(
don't know if I'd like to work with that CEO guy :p
@Kolyunya well, in that case, good idea not posting the definition of timespec... — Luchian Grigore 13 secs ago
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so
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13:58
Maybe if I just post answers to poeples questions reasurring them, telling them how smart they are and how I know they can do it if they keep trying I will get SO Karma
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nothing to lose really
SO karma?
@Jordan SO karma?

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