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20:00
Anyone has a place for comics like this?
Intellisense has to be updated though.
@Rapptz Not enough (at least not for a "fully implemented" job).
@MohamedAhmedNabil xkcd.com
C++ has contextual keywords now, for example.
@R.MartinhoFernandes we do? oh right
20:00
Reductio ad Hitlerum, also argumentum ad Hitlerum, (Latin for "reduction to" and "argument to" and dog Latin for "Hitler" respectively) is a term coined by conservative philosopher Leo Strauss in 1951. According to Strauss, the Reductio ad Hitlerum is a logical fallacy that consists of trying to refute an opponent's view by comparing it to a view that would be held by Adolf Hitler or the Nazi Party. According to Strauss, Reductio ad Hitlerum is a form of ad hominem or ad misericordiam , a fallacy of irrelevance, and a a variation on reductio ad absurdum, in which a conclusion is suggested...
TIL
@R.MartinhoFernandes More to the point, given the complexity of C++, a good IDE pretty much needs to include a compiler. For some languages, a fairly basic lexer is sufficient (just to sort out things like "is this thing that looks like a keyword really just part of a string?") but for C++, that's completely inadequate.
@MooingDuck ty
@R.MartinhoFernandes Tell me about contextual keyboards please.
Hehe.
@CaptainGiraffe Wait, joke or typo?
@TonyTheLion Godwin's Law?
20:01
@R.MartinhoFernandes joke, sorry. I'll show myself out.
@Rapptz seems similar
Is QT Creator a good IDE for general purpose C/C++ development without building QT apps?
@CaptainGiraffe It's okay, I did laugh after all.
@StackedCrooked No.
20:02
@Chimera @StackedCrooked uses it. Ask him.
@StackedCrooked I don't think so
@CaptainGiraffe First invented by Bob Moog. The only competent player yet was probably Keith Emerson.
@DeadMG Why not?
@JerryCoffin Lol. dude. I'm still, (edit)wait no. I'm ok.
Maybe with #define and #undef.
20:03
Keep a macro that you append stuff to.
I'm sure Boost.PP can do that.
@StackedCrooked Exactly.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Not statefully.
@R.MartinhoFernandes each registration would require a new type, thus a new name, thus they'd have to know the name of the previous registration.
@DeadMG Yes, statefully.
The preprocessor is stateful.
that would require #define and #undef in macros
which is impossible
(I'm assuming single TU, though)
@MooingDuck Macros.
20:04
@R.MartinhoFernandes obviously
@DeadMG Hmm, I think Boost.PP does that.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'd started typing that before the conversation brought up macros :(
Anyway, you can do tricks with SFINAE.
I'd rather not go there.
@CaptainGiraffe To add that to the earlier list: Brain Salad Surgery -> 5+.
But here's a hint: the set of overloads visible at each REGISTER_TYPE doesn't have to be the same.
20:05
@R.MartinhoFernandes you can't undef/redef in macros, but if that was #define NEW_TYPE A #include "registration.h", then maybe it could be doable with preprocessor magic.
@R.MartinhoFernandes No. You can define and add to (functionally) something like a list or array.
but you can't invoke a macro to alter them
you have to explicitly #define and #undef yourself
@JerryCoffin Thank the world for youtube. I love that stuff.
If I have a large suspicious that something is homework
can I retag it as homework
I might try that with SFINAE next time I'm feeling evil. makes a note
@Rapptz If you're not sure, ask first.
@Rapptz ask
20:09
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Q: phone number assignment

user194333There are n phone companies that hand out numbers to new customers. How do they ensure that two different customers at two different phone companies don't get the same number? Presently they do it by pre-allocating massive blocks, which leads to big ineffeciencies. We're going to fix that. Ama...

META: As a teacher I find myself very reluctant to direct my students to SO, not because of the answers, but because of the quality of their questions.
I don't know how I'd feel if I saw my questions on SO if I was a teacher.
Does it mean the question is hard? Am I bad at teaching? etc
@CaptainGiraffe Google will direct them there :S
@CaptainGiraffe I'm still not sure if it's a blessing or a curse. Certainly convenient, but they often compress way too much, so the video is mediocre and the sound even worse.
@JerryCoffin Good memories =)
20:12
@CaptainGiraffe There is that, for sure.
If I saw a question here on SO that was mine, I'd confront the OP and vote to close.
Fuuuuun with Direct3D.
@CaptainGiraffe What if it was a student asking for help with something when doing your homework (and I mean a decent question with all the bells and whistles, SSCCE and signs of research and all)?
good morning guys
It's 20:13.
Seems I need to pad my CV. (Pad as in "put space so that lonely line at the bottom of page one ends up atop page two.)
20:14
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'd be plenty happy.
its 1:14 pm here
PST USA
i need help here from you folks..
That's still not morning lol
Okay :|
Good Afternoon :)
I am Software Engineer at one of worlds's highest ranked e commerce company and working as QE here
@R.MartinhoFernandes Still, some/most of my other coworkers agree that the sscce is somewhat only for the good students and can be very inflammatory.
@CaptainGiraffe What do you mean? You mean linking people to sscce.org?
20:16
I was always a developer at heart and i got offer from Ciena but they revoked due to low budget and i had to jointhis job
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yes.
@R.MartinhoFernandes We even wrote our own softer version =/
Ah. Ok. For a moment there I thought you were saying providing a SSCCE of your own volition would be inflammatory. That was confusing.
i have been studying very hard and preparing for Software Dev/senior job
@DeadMG What are you up to?
20:17
@Rapptz first?
@Leoheart And I'm unemployed. What's your point?
@R.MartinhoFernandes after some toying, I believe with a mix of template magic and preprocessor magic and include files it can be done.
@Leoheart As in, read that wiki article first so you know how to ask questions so others don't get annoyed
@ManofOneWay currently attempting to figure out exactly what the jobseeker's people want from me so they'll give me moneys
@DeadMG You suck!
20:19
and also trying to wrap my head around the fact that I'mma have to go to live with my parents.
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol
@DeadMG Greedy basterd!
@DeadMG, my point is any of you could suggest me or give advice about how i can improve since i believe i deserve that position
Improve what, exactly?
For such a vague request all we can say is "study and practice" or some such.
@Rapptz, Apologies, i read it couple of montsh before. I was assuming that i was not violating but if i am which i dont have any intention for, i will read right away
I need to improve my wallet.
20:21
My wallet is rather old now. I already had it when I was in high school.
Can anyone point me to the wiki please?
@DeadMG You'll figure something out. After all, you're a genius.
> Madagascar cockroaches can be kept as exotic pets.
not sure if Gusta
@Leoheart It is stickied on the right side of chat under newbie hints.
@R.MartinhoFernandes: Improve in anything i am missing... I consider folks here as genious and very helpful and i hope to get any sort of help here.
20:21
@TonyTheLion Then you can make RC cockroaches!
@Leoheart See, you're missing a little bit of a trick here.
namely
@Leoheart Well, I'd say the first step is to identify what it is you're missing :)
how the fuck am I supposed to know what you are or aren't missing?
Did you guys see the new Nokia Lumia 920
It looks pretty nice
20:22
@Rapptz Yep, the sub camera was nice. The phone looks even nicer.
@R.MartinhoFernandes: that's the problem. I don't think i am missing anything... I am not even interviewing for Google or something which i am not ready yet.
I intevriewed companies like Amazon, MS, Hulu and got rejected even when my code was 100% running and answers correction, with passion and honesty
META: Can I unhide a user that I hid?
@Rapptz While I'm not really interested, thanks anyway. :)
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's okay, I don't care much about phones either but it caught my eye.
20:24
@CaptainGiraffe Yes
@CaptainGiraffe Yes: go to your chat profile, then check the "prefs" tab.
@Leoheart Right, but again, we can't help you if you don't show us any reasonably sized samples of, say, your code.
Mainly because of the touch screen that works with gloves on.
@R.MartinhoFernandes eek, cockroaches are nasty
@Leoheart to work at MS, your code needs to be far better than merely running.
20:25
@TonyTheLion The RC ones are awesome!
@MooingDuck Yeah, you need to add all the bugs and pointless idiosyncrasies.
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@R.MartinhoFernandes Says I'm not hiding anyone, did the dude get deleted?
@DeadMG Can you please try to give me a question which you think a fresher or 1 year experience should know..?
@DeadMG When I have made more progress on my thesis and they are supah-impressed, I'll ask them about the hiring process and recommend you
@CaptainGiraffe That's possible. And likely.
20:26
@Leoheart what is placement new for?
@MooingDuck: My code was perfect with good code startegy and error free and error checking in place
@MooingDuck: sorry, but i didn't understand your question.
@Leoheart Aright, in what ways is the C++ grammar context-sensitive?
@Leoheart that's probably the problem.
20:27
@Leoheart Well, I'm usually immediately wary of programmers that think their code is "perfect".
@Rapptz I still wonder about claims like "better than HD 1280x768". I guess if you define "HD" as "720P", but I think most people think of "HD" as "1080". Don't be me wrong: that's pretty good for its size, but "better than HD"? Not really.
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A: When returning a reference to an object from C++, is it necessary to use the "&" operator in the return variable?

desimusxviiThis is a product of a little piece of hell known as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copy_constructor. I strongly recommend you start every single class you ever write with a copy constructor. In instances where I never intend to copy objects, I make the copy constructor EXPLODE.

@DeadMG someone programming for one year won't likely know that, unless they are interested in compilers
@JerryCoffin I try to avoid marketing claims in general. They're mostly all fluff.
@TonyTheLion I've got 0 years professional experience and I know that :P
20:28
@DeadMG: quick answer what comes in my mind is, way you call functions or create objects..

Example, Obj o = FucntionA(); // function returns object
@Rapptz Yes, but that was in the review, not the marketing fluff.
@DeadMG yes, but how many years have you been doing C++ as a hobby?
@Leoheart More specifically?
@JerryCoffin Oh the engadget article? I just quickly googled it really.
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: make the copy constructor EXPLODE [c++] [c++11] [c++-faq] [pinky]
20:29
@Leoheart How exactly is that context-sensitive?
in my example, here it is context sensitive in a way that is it a function call or constructing an object here.
@DeadMG Teeeeeeemplates.
@Leoheart I also think your communication skills might have been related to why they wouldn't hire you.
@TonyTheLion Too many :P But I wouldn't expect to get every question right. It's more of an "Ask several questions, assess overall result" rather than "Get every question perfect"
@CatPlusPlus Shut up, I'm trying to assess this dude here :P
@DeadMG true
20:30
Ah.
@Leoheart Well, I hate to inform you of this, but it's not context-sensitive at all (that example)
It's really not relevant to programming in C++.
@CatPlusPlus Oh come on -- you don't need templates. Can you say: "Most vexing parse" boys and girls? I knew you could!
@DeadMG oh good, you had me doubting myself
@MooingDuck: Could be. Thanks for pointing it out. but the place i work, (company as big as MS in standards), i lead a team here and they love my communication
20:30
I'll see you guys later, I have to go back to work.
@Leoheart Written English communication
MVP is not really context sensetiveness.
There's a guy who claims he is maintaining his own branch of Dev-C++
he even linked Gcc 4.6 to it
now... WHY ON EARTH?
20:31
@DeadMG: i knew that i might not be 100% right since i haven't really studied that concept..but out of 100 interviews i have given no one ever have asked these questions..
@Leoheart I have many more I can ask you.
I don't know, it's bothering me. You know, it might be insignificant for you
@MooingDuck: Only written communication they see of mine during interview is code.
Forget Dev-C++ exists. Problem solved.
I made another room, so that we can talk more effectively, if you want
20:32
@Leoheart and all the misspellings in it?
@CatPlusPlus Pretty sure it could be recognized by a CSG.
@DeadMG: I would be glad and i dont mind being embarrassed since its of my help only
But there are people forced to use it
Like.... slaves at unis and shit
I feel their pain
20:33
@MooingDuck: I don't recall myself misspelling during code
@BartekBanachewicz What are the slaves at unis?
@BartekBanachewicz that top function is terrifying.
@CaptainGiraffe Anybody who isn't (at least) a department head.
@Leoheart I don't recall a lot of things. Especially those I didn't notice.
@MooingDuck I specifically remember not recalling that incident.
20:33
@CaptainGiraffe Students, basically
@MooingDuck indeed.
Unis are horrible.
Semester begins in a month dammit I don't want to.
@CatPlusPlus Mine is not. Why is yours?
It's bullshit through and through.
@CatPlusPlus Why so?
It's tiring, not rewarding in the slightest, and it doesn't end for another 1,5 years.
20:36
you wanna go work fulltime?
think that's any better?
@CatPlusPlus You're not learning anything?
As stressful and shitty work deadlines can be, I still prefer that to fucking uni bullshit.
I have still 4 years left. I can't believe I signed up to this uni bullshit. I feel your pain @Cat
20:37
The only good part of studying are people. The rest can die in fire.
Especially exams.
@CatPlusPlus IMO You have a very odd level for grading stuff bull.
@CatPlusPlus Do tell.
Bloody lotteries, half of them.
And I mean that literally.
@CatPlusPlus Examples please.
20:38
@CatPlusPlus I remember the feeling. At least programming projects are fun.
@CatPlusPlus I like studying
Unclear and arbitrary scoring rules, ambiguous questions, and in some cases just outright "I'll pick 50 people who'll pass, the rest see ya next time".
Not to mention constant memorisation like in damn preschool.
the Cat is on a rant
@CatPlusPlus Thats unprofessional to say the least. What school is that?
Hahaha academic environment gives no fucks.
It's every school in this damn country.
20:41
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A: Iterating object names in C++

JohnBAlthough I think your question could have been answered by looking into a C++ tutorial: std::array<std::string,5> colors = {"red", "green", "blue", "yellow", "purple"}; for(auto it = colors.begin (); it != colors.end (); ++it){ it->set(); }

@CatPlusPlus Yes, let the anger come to you. Come to the dark side.
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I can feel your anger
@CatPlusPlus Dark side here being Sweden. If you are a European it is free.
Come to the Dark Side and we shall be angry together for ever. :P
@MooingDuck So many morons.
std::array is not a fucking array, you idiots.
20:43
you are speaking what I feel right now
gosh, we should make SO university :P
uh
actually, std::array does have begin and end methods.
No kidding.
@DeadMG ...which an actual array does not (nor does it have any other methods, nor member functions at all, nor...)
Maybe we should undelete it so we can tell those idiots that they should stop posting.
@JerryCoffin I know. But one of the comments to that answer said std::array did not, but it does.
20:45
Talking about education made me grumpy. Thanks.
Fun game: gimbalgame.com
@DeadMG Ah, I glanced at the question a few minutes ago, but apparently not recently enough to see that. Doesn't sound like I missed a lot though...
@CatPlusPlus What education should have imposed on you is a proficiency to learn and to accept that all kinds of people should have that right.
I can't bring myself to care about uni.
Waste of money, time and everything.
I want it to end ASAP and be done with it forever.
@CatPlusPlus You might find friends, interests and stuff there.
And maybe finally take a stab at being Professional Game Developer (TM).
Friends? Yes. Interests, stuff? No.
When I'm there it's too painful to pay attention to anything, and I just want it to end end end.
20:51
@CatPlusPlus I thought you didn't like the Gaming Industry?
@CatPlusPlus I would finish up my degree if I were you.
Then bullshit exams 4 months later and woo 2 weeks free.
yes, don't mess up your degree
I'm trying to finish it.
@CaptainGiraffe I'm not sure I even agree that education should impose that acceptance. It should generally probably provide the background necessary for a sensible person to reach that conclusion, but still leave it to them to actually draw the conclusion.
20:51
But if I fail, I won't really care.
it's hard to find a job without, and not easier if you failed your degree
I just left a message on a telephone and it took me three tries to leave my phone number. :(
reference: @DeadMG
I already have a job.
@MooingDuck OMFG
what would you do with only 1hour of internet time left?
20:52
Having said that though, I don't finish my degree, but I've been able to work in the field for over 20 years. Maybe I got lucky, but I still feel some doors will remain closed to me because of my lack of a degree.
@JerryCoffin I've had such a diverse array of students during my years. From all over the world. It takes just one spark.
No, degree just doesn't matter.
@CatPlusPlus android apps?
It might give you some + to CV visibility, but beyond that, it's useless.
If you can build visibility on your own, nobody will ever care.
IME, that + to CV visibility would help a lot right now
20:54
You can always try running your own company.
I don't have a degree, and I'm not doing too bad for myself, considering.
@CatPlusPlus I want to do that eventually, or at least freelance
@CatPlusPlus Could do. But I don't think anyone wants to pay me to sit around and develop Wide :P
@TonyTheLion True, but some doors will be closed to you and I.
Freelancing is crap.
@Chimera with enough experience, doors open.
20:55
@DeadMG Build something sellable.
Write a ton of crappy games for Android for 1.99$.
@CatPlusPlus I've been thinking about packaging my tutorials into a book.
hey guys
is it sure that an int will evalute to 0 if all the bits are at 0?
@TonyTheLion Agreed, but some companies in their infinite rigidity will not even look at resume from somebody without a degree.
@lezebulon I always think your nick says "Lezbian", sorry. No offence
Yeah, book is good too. There's plenty cheap marketing opportunity on Internet.
20:56
@lezebulon implementation defined
@TonyTheLion fffffffffffffu
@lezebulon Yes.
@lezebulon Yes, it is not required, but yes for all implementations this is true.
@Chimera true. I did have an interview with Facebook, and that was without a degree. So it's not too bad.
@Chimera Fuck them.
20:56
@lezebulon 0xffffffffu, FTFY
I want to check if 256 bools are false, so I'm thinking putting them in several int and check if it's 0
@TonyTheLion How did it go?
They're backward-minded and probably shitty place to work in general.
@CatPlusPlus oh very much agree with that sentiment.
@lezebulon yes
20:57
I can't really say a positive word about a workplace which gives a shit about a degree
@lezebulon use unsigned int
@lezebulon it's faster to check them manually
@MooingDuck really?
Unfortunately, Intel requires it apparently -.-
ok I'm out. Have fun. All the best to Cat.
20:57
std::all_of.
@StackedCrooked It was good, but since I don't qualify for a US H1B Visa (work visa), it kinda ended abruptly. I would have probably got a job with them otherwise.
@lezebulon putting a bunch of bools into an int would be slow
@MooingDuck I'm thinking of always having them in an int and using masks
std::none_of, even.
@lezebulon std::bitset
20:58
@TonyTheLion That sucks.
yep, really sucks
and that's where a degree does come good, to get a job in the USA
Meh, changing countries for work sucks.
Why would you want to get a job in USA. :v
you need a 4 year degree and 3 years of work experience OR 13 years of work experience for H1B
@CatPlusPlus nice opportunities

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