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9:00 AM
@sehe I googled the meaning of "strenuous"...
 
you can access files in cygwin, but you have to do something weird to specify the root
 
@sehe yeah. I'll take a look at it though, it seems interesting.
 
@ApprenticeHacker Me too by the way. I'm native. I wanted to say strained/stretched and tenuous
Mmm. I'm still a bit under the wheather, it seems (Q.E.D. three edits to get it right...)
 
I don't get it, it's just a bunch of macros
 
lol
@kbok never under-estimate the power of macros.
 
9:02 AM
@kbok What part don't you get then? It's just a bunch macros, unless you use them
 
BOOST_FOREACH is a macro too (I think). And it's damn useful.
 
@ApprenticeHacker not anymore in C++11
 
Generic lambdas ?
 
Yup. Mostly that. But I said that at the outset:
7 mins ago, by sehe
Anyone tried the Pythy library yet? Have polymorphic (uncapturing) lambdas today
http://pfultz2.github.com/Pythy/
 
anyway, time for lunch. bye bye.
 
9:04 AM
@sehe Oh yeah, I must've missed that
 
Anyways, read the linked articel by D.Abrahams: cpp-next.com/archive/2011/11/having-it-all-pythy-syntax
 
Hi guys
Who is good with Boost.Asio here?
i have some strange behaviour with async callbacks
 
Xeo
@sehe Ew, that invokes undefined behaviour by design.
 
@Xeo Depending on implementation. He makes a good point about that in the closing paragraph
 
@sehe "Have polymorphic (uncapturing) lambdas today" is not even a proper english sentence. How, praytell, are we expected to be able to use Pythy?
 
9:11 AM
Anyways, I was looking for opinions, preferrably by people who've tried it
@Neil "Have sex today!" is a proper sentence. s/sex/lambdas/g keeps it a proper sentence. Now, add (optional) adjectives, and it happily keeps on being a proper sentence.
@Neil If you are referring to the missing period, well, Yes, I'm pregnant. So what?
 
@sehe Ah, I assumed you were asking about people's opinions, not inviting people to try the library after asking if they had ever used it.
 
sbi
> People ask me all the time how we delivered four surplus budgets. What new ideas did we bring? I always give a one-word answer: arithmetic. Bill Clinton
I chuckled at that one.
 
Anyone tried the lamb? Have lamb today
 
Xeo
Yay, broke the 40k
 
@Neil Erm. I'm asking for opinions and I'm not inviting people to try it. And I didn't ask on after asking "if they had ever used it". mmm
 
9:15 AM
@sbi As if that were saying something clever. He was getting asked because the numbers didn't add up as they should have.
I'm sure that's a common response to that type of question by politicians.
 
@Neil ah - I see now how quoting the title "Have..." might have come across as 'my invitation. I'll use quotation marks next time
 
@Neil No, but I tried the lambda. It was yummy.
 
@FredOverflow Have a fuckin' star.
 
@Neil mmm lamb
 
@Neil Thanks. I'll hang it over my bed, next to the other stars.
 
9:16 AM
@Xeo Fix it, will you
@FredOverflow And fix the roof while you're at it
 
hello there, would somebody be so nice to edit the title of this SO-question or maybe point me to the answer? i can't see the direct answer to the question of the title and am having this exact problem - thanks!
 
I can't believe I'm writing a program that confronts an xml containing database meta data with the database itself to check for differences. You'd think there'd be a better way to do this
 
Xeo
Btw, I really don't get why the Pythy lambda thing doesn't just use a function pointer instead of a null object pointer that the operator() gets called on... the static lambda doesn't capture anything anyways.
 
4
A: Attribute & Reflection libraries for C++?

SkizzThis is what you get when C++ meets Reflection: Whatever you choose, it'll probably have horrible macros, hard to debug code or weird build steps. I've seen one system automatically generate the serialisation code from DevStudio's PDB file. Seriously though, for small projects, it'll be easie...

lol
 
+1'd it ^^
 
9:27 AM
@sehe thank you!
 
@Jook I've rephrased the title. And I upvoted the answer I think is best. Hint: it's always the simplest approach that is best
@Jook Huh, are you psychic - You just watched the Q then :)
> These functions are deprecated because they don't handle IPv6! Use inet_ntop() or inet_pton() instead! They are included here because they can still be found in the wild. — sehe 10 secs ago
Meant to say "Loren, what did I say?" in a stern voice, but it kept coming out "wad did I tay?" Her reply: "I tawt I taw a puddy tat!"
 
There are days when I'm ashamed to be a computer scientist. We can be such utter arrogant dicks...
 
Tim tweets the weirdest things. Is he implying he was drunk while teaching his daughter to speak?
Speak. For. Yourself. Bitch!
:)
 
@sehe no, I'm speaking for that moron in the Java/C++ question
 
Evacuated due to fire alarm. Brought netbook with me - Stack Overflow answering will continue :)
^ awesome
 
9:34 AM
Oh. We're good then. LOL
 
@jalf linky ?
 
scroll up a bit
@Insilico linked to it above
 
Oh, that.
 
Xeo
Oh noes, it's the SK-Logic guy again..
 
New Josuttis has arrived. Should I burn the old copy?
> The Standard is definitive, but it's not readable. Josuttis' book is readable, and, for most people most of the time, as good as definitive. I make my living studying the arcania of C++, but when I'm coding, I turn to Josuttis when I can and the Standard only when I must.
 
Xeo
9:40 AM
Damn, can't somebody just shoot that guy?
 
What guy? Where? What did he do?
 
Xeo
SK-logic
 
@jalf Still no "please bring that to chat" intervention ? Did the mods stop doing that ?
 
Xeo
@Insilico, Java and C++ are very similar. On a large scale they're almost the same, so it makes sense to use the Java experience while learning C++. Of course there are subtle differences - especially, a Turing-complete metaprogramming system in C++, but the core semantics of the both languages are very similar - they're both imperative with static typing. At this scale, all that pointers, references, array decay and the horrible implicit casts are nothing worth mentioning. — SK-logic 1 hour ago
 
9:42 AM
man, I'm in douchebag mode
 
Xeo
lawl, "subtle differences between RAII and GC" ... like, determinism?
 
@TonyTheLion Tell us when something out of the ordinary happens
 
@Xeo He's been a complete dick on many sites
 
@sehe lol
 
Oh, hey, a wild puppy appears!
 
9:43 AM
a wild one eh?!
 
@Insilico, of course all the imperative languages are very close to each other. But, there is a huge difference in typing. Yes, Java and C++ are very similar to C# and C (for the latter you'd need to add an explicit v-table dispatch), but very different from PHP or Javascript, due to their dynamically typed nature. — SK-logic 11 mins ago
 
Guys guys
 
Xeo
@DeadMG He's a complete and utter idiot, seriously.
 
Wow, this guy is a dick indeed
 
Is List x(); MVP?
Or List x(List());?
 
9:44 AM
both
 
Or both?
 
sbi
@ApprenticeHacker If, of all the differences between C# and C++, the semicolon necessary at the end of a class in C++ bothered you most, then you weren't advanced enough to appreciate the subtle, but important differences.
 
thought so
aha
 
I'm glad to know that you guys finally appreciate what a dick he is
 
we appreciate it fully
 
9:44 AM
To me, MVP means "looks like an object definition to the user, but like a function declaration to the compiler".
 
@Xeo I hadn't come across him before
 
appreciating it
 
@FredOverflow to me it means Microsoft Valuable Professional
 
I'd like to be one of those..
 
Xeo
@jalf I remember him from P.SE where @DeadMG had quite a gripe with him.
 
9:45 AM
I told SK-logic to bring the discussion to chat if so desired. 26 comments on a single question is too damn much.
 
@jalf I've been having similar problems with him on Programmers for years.
 
@TonyTheLion And to me, MVC means Most Vexing C... ;)
 
@TonyTheLion I think it's "Most Valuable Professional" (as in, MS MVP)
 
@Insilico THANK YOU Sooooooo MUCH
 
Xeo
ugh
 
9:46 AM
@kbok yes that
 
@Insilico He won't.
 
@DeadMG That's the plan. :-)
 
just ignore him
trolls will troll
 
@kbok "Most Valued Professional" -- big difference
 
@sehe Oh yeah, sorry
 
9:47 AM
You should've invited him here
];->
 
Also, on a large scale all languages are equivalent.
This argument is shit.
 
@BartekBanachewicz I feel merciful today. :-P
 
the guy is obviously Turing Right!
 
Xeo
haaa... I have to sit here for roughly 5 more hours, and I don't have anything I can do.
 
@Xeo I'm gonna go buy a burger.
 
9:49 AM
Ok, this is one of those cases where a mod really should come in a clean all the comments away
 
mode?
 
hey, you typed 'douche-bag mode' yourself, just a bit ago!
Makes sense people infer this is the new proper spelling for 'mod'
 
@TonyTheLion ¬_¬
@sehe meh
 
@sehe kek
 
@sehe sos
 
9:52 AM
talking to yourself now, eh
 
@sehe lol
@TonyTheLion You broke the pattern
 
@sehe It's called a combo breaker, peasant
 
hold on. I'm searching for a fuck to give
 
"peasant" ??? lol
 
9:54 AM
I've reread SK-Logic's comments several times and I still don't understand where the disconnect is
 
he's a java fanboy, it's no use talking to him.
 
@BartekBanachewicz lol
 
@BartekBanachewicz lol, stealing that one for sure :D
 
@Insilico The disconnect is he's thinking "Turing-Complete? They must be equivalent" and everyone else is thinking "What the fuck are you smoking? It's not even remotely equivalent"
 
@DeadMG Thanks for educating me
 
9:55 AM
@BartekBanachewicz Then I guess your "can't find a single fuck" picture is entirely relevant. :-)
 
^^ it can be, yes.
 
@kbok "Poet and Peasant", peasant
 
@BartekBanachewicz idiot FTFY
 
Missing obligatory spiderman "can't find a single fuck".jpg
 
@thecoshman The wonderful thing is that there are at least 1203981 copies of that picture on Teh InterWebs™ .
 
9:58 AM
@Neil I like "I found a single fuck".jpg better
 
He's much more nuanced than that:
(def SK-equivalent? lang
   (and (turing-complete? lang)
        (blocks-have-braces? lang)
        (contains (keyword-list lang) "class")
   )
) ; warning: pseudo-code
 
lisp <3; well, anyway, you've go to be really wicked to code pseudo-lisp
 
Found this gif the other day couldn't stop laughing for a good 15 minutes: lh4.googleusercontent.com/-frDJIc7y-VI/TlEnLIF2kQI/AAAAAAAAF4o/…
 
@BartekBanachewicz I am
 
Bah, I am going to go to some of the guys at my uni, who are supposed to teach me
 
10:00 AM
lol @ SK-equivalent
 
@Neil He could have hurt his tuba!
 
I have to divert my eyes or risk laughing out loud at work
 
Show them pseudo-lisp and ask for a lambda ambiguity
 
@Neil how many floors are in his house :O
 
@thecoshman Infinity floors!
 
10:01 AM
@thecoshman Count them!
@Neil I fixed it for you: i.stack.imgur.com/OmWfu.gif
 
@sehe He's still counting I think
@sehe He's heading back up the stairs
 
@sehe oh god! he's going to fall off the roof!
 
Still looks painful though
 
Soooo. You laugh when it's painful?
 
Not always. This particular gif tickled my fancy
 
Xeo
10:08 AM
And suddenly, I was the only one left in this (real) room. I think I'm going to get myself some banana milk.
 
Not sure why, perhaps it's because he webs himself down the stairs in his drunken stupor
Kind of like how a drunk man tries to cling to the ground as to not fall again
 
lol twitter
 
In French. As well
 
@kbok The Stack Exchange network saves the day again!
 
@Xeo What happened?
 
10:11 AM
21 mins ago, by sehe
@Xeo What caused that alarming situation?
I think it has to do with bananas and milk. Somehow
 
"‏@DebbieMoans - I hate that awkward "are we dating", "are we not" phase where you have to lock him in the basement to prove that he's committed."
@thecoshman Where do you find such nice people?
 
Xeo
@sehe You deleted that!
 
@Xeo You failed to answer it!
 
yo momma
 
sbi
@kbok If you twitter harder, you can get a little more, um, agility into that timeline:
 
10:13 AM
@Neil what do you mean?
 
> am writing a Little Man computer simulation
wtf is that?
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Hm, how do I formulate this in English... it's a scheme from the agency for work in Berlin. It's called "Ingeus" and it's basically a place that helps writing applications / cover letters and finding a job / job training
 
@TonyTheLion clearly a simulation of dwarfs
 
@thecoshman You imply that Dan Cosh is not in any way shape or form related to you, despite the fact that you both have "Cosh" in your name and share the same icon?
 
1
Q: Operator Overloading and array handling in C++

Johan DelaI am writing a Little Man computer simulation and i want to overload the Indexing operator []. I have create a class called LMC and have done the following: #include <iostream> using namespace std; class LMC { public: LMC(); void display(); int& operator[](in...

 
Xeo
10:14 AM
It's from 11-17 work days, and normally you have workshops interleaved with "jobstation" time, aka finding jobs and applying for them
 
ugh he's using double pointer for internal array
 
@Neil I am very confused by what you meant be 2where do you find such nice people"
 
@TonyTheLion Is "Little Man computer simulation" a term I should know?
 
@Xeo Oh gawd, sounds boring, yet possibly useful.
 
@Neil I thought thecoshman was short for "the hyperbolic cosine man"
2
 
Xeo
10:15 AM
Today, however, we're only 3 peeps here so there are no workshops and I generally can't do much about finding job offers in the game industry here, because almost all company sites are filtered
 
@Neil donno, I don't know it
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes The first few weeks were indeed very useful, I finally got around to completing my cover letter, CV and skill profile :)
 
@Neil but what does this mean?
 
Xeo
Especially the CV and cover letter were always something I couldn't get done
 
10:16 AM
they are fairly straightforward, compared to what we deal with in C++ on average
 
@thecoshman That this Debbie seems nice, where do you find nice people like her?
 
Speaking of which, I could use some feedback on a cover letter thingy.
 
you looking for a new job?
 
@Neil ooh, I find her through @Sbi
 
@thecoshman @Sbi, for all your nice people shopping needs
@R.MartinhoFernandes Sure, brutal unconstructive feedback count?
 
Xeo
10:18 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Btw, my cover letter contains "I'm awesome. Hire me." as the subject line in bold, and that was the first thing the guy at the interview yesterday talked about :)
 
@Insilico ¬_¬ going to beat you with my miss-spelt self
 
@Xeo Oh, cool.
 
oh wait, COSHH is not what I was thinking of, but you can have some of that too
 
Seems I'm a genius after all.
 
Cosh will cosh Cosh with a cosh
 
10:19 AM
> When the original VAX hardware was old enough to drink, it also got retired and replaced with an expensive emulator The-Reporting-System
 
Xeo
Guys, we got us a spammer
 
I think I redacted everything for proper public exposure: pastebin.com/Sdh6Yg4P
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'd probably just write CV instead of the long form
 
@Xeo affirmative action
 
sbi
@Neil Actually, she plays quite the dirty slut, but some of her sayings are beyond price.
 
10:22 AM
@Xeo That's it?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes "and per [their] suggestion I am now applying for a job with you" I think that's sort of self-explanatory
You don't have to write that, imo
 
@Xeo That should do :)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You want to keep your cover letters to the point.
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Sorry, got distracted by the spammer and only read the first few lines :)
 
If anything, replace that by saying that you're highly interested in position X (and yes, you must specify the position or it seems too cookie cutter)
 
10:23 AM
The HR monkeys literally take only a few seconds to look at your CV/cover letter to make a decision.
 
Xeo
@Insilico And 50% don't even do that anymore
 
@sbi I never said she was nice, it was ... @neil ... who said she was, I just said I found her through you, which I am fairly sure I did
 
(N.B. Not all HR monkeys are actually HR monkeys.)
 
Can I increase the vibrate strength of my Galaxy Nexus phone? http://android.stackexchange.com/q/28851/14650?stw=2
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Is there a reason why you claim to be an expert in english?
 
sbi
10:24 AM
@thecoshman Yeah, I pretty much failed at that message, but I think I got it all repaired now.
 
@KonradRudolph I'm sure you can find a more sensitive place to wear it?
 
Xeo
@Neil Yes, if I'm guessing right were he's applying
 
@Neil bcoz his english is very good?
 
bah, android -.-
 
@TonyTheLion Being an expert speaker, then :)
 
10:24 AM
@sbi not that fused :P
 
@Xeo If the company has primarily english-speakers, you don't really need to proclaim english expertise
 
i am watching wiseui.com commercial right now
 
@Xeo @everyone: downvoting doesn't help (enough)! It's a throw-away account, remember. Rep doesn't hurt a spammer. Not much, anyways
 
Xeo
I just flagged
not downvoted
 
@TonyTheLion And if the company does not have primarily english-speakers, you're writing a cover letter in english, and that might not help your chances unless it is a job requirement
 
10:26 AM
@Xeo Me too.
 
Xeo
And he seems to be getting upvotes oO
 
@sehe It makes it more likely to trigger a question ban, but a mod ban is better.
@Neil Ok, that might make sense.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Question ban isn't useful for answer spam
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes #1 is fine, #2 I wouldn't know, #3 might help because programmers should be able to coherently write a spec, #4 could be implied by [friend]
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes But maybe that's nitpicking
 
10:27 AM
@sehe Sorry, meant answer ban :P (yes, both are in place).
 
Takes practice to not make it sound cookie-cutter. The only way you can do that is to write every one of them from scratch
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes I have flagged the guy for spamming, suggesting that the account be deleted. Free flag weight.
 
It sucks, but eventually you learn what sounds personal and you don't have to rewrite everytime
 
> @TonyTheLion. You must have more experience than me but i did not ask you for a easy way i asked for help with the code given. If i wanted to use a vector i would have but i did not, no disrespect
 
@Neil That's what I do.
 
10:28 AM
would you guys consider that offensive?
 
@TonyTheLion yes. Is it from SO?
 
@KonradRudolph @thecoshman You should try my phone: I never miss a call, but in order to hear the other party, I'll have to put it on speaker phone.
 
sbi
@Neil If [friend] referred a non-native to [company], wouldn't that necessarily imply that [friend] expects them to be able to deal with English?
 
@BartekBanachewicz From here: stackoverflow.com/questions/12297739/…
in the comments
 
@sehe you sure your are not just hard of hearing?
 
10:29 AM
Hi guys i have some troubles with async_read in Boost.Asio, who can consult me?
 
@DenisErmolin Try this site first: stackoverflow.com/questions/ask
 
@sbi True, but if I applied for a job in Russia, I don't have to proclaim Russian experience. I just have to write a cover letter written well in Russian
 
@DenisErmolin Stack Overflow can consult you.
 
@TonyTheLion I don't think that is offensive. In any way. It's very deliberately polite
 
ok
I'll leave it then and not go on a rant
 
10:30 AM
@DenisErmolin I'll consult you whenever I need troubles with Boost Asio, thanks
 
although my mood definitely calls for a good rant
and he seemed the perfect excuse for one
 
It'd be like someone applying for a job at your workplace and claiming they are experts at english. That normally wouldn't be mentioned if it's implied that the person applying is supposed to know a language already
 
@TonyTheLion You can rant here all day. Or start a room with SK-Logic!
 
sbi
@Neil Sorry, but that sound stupid. What would you do when your Russian only extends to copying a cover letter translated for you by someone else?
 
@sehe I will have a field day in a chat room with SK-Logic.
 
10:31 AM
@sbi Then I think you're setting yourself up for a big disappointment :)
In any case, I think you cannot prove your "expertise" anymore than writing a good cover letter. The interview can prove the rest
 
@Neil Aha. Your logic actually boils down to: CV's are useless
 
Since you can't cheat yourself into a job by pretending to know the language spoken at the workplace, interviewers have no reason to assume you'd be lying about it
 
@Insilico i haven't got answer on my question. And i cant find any explanation in google
 
@sehe haha
I'll save you guys from my rants
 
@Tony, the OP is clearly a newbie. Even though, he decides to decline the only reasonable solution. Or he isn't allowed to use standard library, but he should write so in the first place. Either way, I woulnd't bother helping him
 
10:33 AM
@sehe Well partially yes. They aren't supposed to do anything other than make you stand out.
 
yea, fuck noobs
 
@DenisErmolin Oh so you've already asked a question about it on Stack Overflow?
 
anyway, WiseUI is revolutionary ^^
 
@sehe If I were to follow that to the letter (not that I disagree much), I'd just do what I proposed the other day: "I'm awesome. Hire me." and nothing else.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes 'Expert' might raise a question or two (was it your major?) but I'd definitely leave in the statement "I have excellent command of the English language" - because it is relevant, it tells something about you and what you are enthusiastic about
 
10:34 AM
@Insilico yes but people cant understand what my problem is or whatever i dont know.
 
@DenisErmolin Have a link?
 
@DenisErmolin So you should clarify your question. Link to it so we can read it and (possibly) help.
 
0
Q: boost::asio async server design

Denis ErmolinCurrently im using design when server reads first 4 bytes of stream then read N bytes after header decoding. But i foung that time between first async_read and second read is 3-4 ms. I just printed in console timestamp from callbacks for measuring. I sent 10 bytes of data in total. Why it takes...

 
@DenisErmolin You should not ever measure timings in Debug mode. Performance hit might be as little as 10%, or as massive as 10k%+
 
@Neil But you shouldn't forget that a cover letter is supposed to make a statement. A statement about 'you'. If you advice about 'toning' everything down to 'average', there isn't going to be a profile emanating from that
 
10:35 AM
@sehe I agree. It's perhaps relative enough to mention. I just wouldn't go proclaiming to be an expertise, that's all
 
@DeadMG Hey puppy
 
@sehe Of course you need to "tone" up your cover letter, but just not everything.
 
@TonyTheLion I like how no one that answered noticed the rule of three violation. (well, you noticed the rule of zero violation, which is even better ;)
 
I'd actually make the minimum letter slightly better:
"I'm awesome. I'm really curious to find out whether you are, too. Perhaps we could become a team :)"
 
Emphasize the points that will get you hired, not how many beers you can down in under a minute.
 
10:36 AM
@Neil English Isn't Everything
 
@BartekBanachewicz Hm yes i didnt tried it in release.
 
@DenisErmolin do it. I posted my response in comments, anyway
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes haha, good point there :)
 
@sehe Everything in the sense that you don't emphasize every strong point. Interviewer only cares that you know english well enough for it not to be an issue and that's it.
 
@Neil Also, I think you should tone up everything. In the sense that anything not worth 'sticking out' should be cut
 
10:37 AM
@DenisErmolin + you should be able to compile both Debug and Release from day 1
 
So don't make a cover letter tediously long explaining your strengths in the english language if you're not a translator
 
@Neil You don't know that. You're writing a letter about you. You're not just writing what the the interviewer is wanting to know.
 
Much less work to make it working at start and then maintain than code only in debug, then spend 3hrs adding missing dependencies
 
@Neil you're drifting way off topic
 
@BartekBanachewicz Ill try then and response about results, thanks.
 
10:38 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes did I miss a link to the cover letter?
 
There's a pastebin link up above.
 
@sehe Then in my next cover letter, I'll write, "English is my mother-fucking language! I've also got some mad piano skills. Ever heard chopsticks?? I can totally rock chopsticks!"
 
Xeo
I like how you were talking about a CV (@Neil, @sehe), when all he posted was the cover letter :)
 
btw, WiseUI functionality : "1. Register; 2. Login on; 3. Login out" (actual citation)
 
10:40 AM
@Neil That somehow reminds me of this: craigslist.org/about/best/nyc/1598225097.html
 
@Xeo I'm not, actually
If this aptly describes you and your motivations, then yes!
Though, if you wanted to get a job, change the motivations :)
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes You gotta give them something for them to have a chance to actually believe it when you say that, though.
 
@Insilico "$100 for spinet upright pianos (because they are way goddamn harder) " :D
It merits at best, a simple sentence which indicates that english is not a problem for you.
If that isn't relative to the job, nothing more needs to be said
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes here are some idiomatic formulations for the end of a cover letter (if I'm guessing right where you're applying) dict.cc/?s=mit+freundlichen+gr%C3%BC%C3%9Fen
 
Think of it this way, it conveys more strongly your communications skills
 
Xeo
10:42 AM
I'd say "with kind regards" fits best
 
@Neil And nothing more than "and the English language." is said.
 
@Xeo I agree, better than sincerely
@R.MartinhoFernandes You said english expertise, which I think is an overkill, that's all
 
@Xeo Oooh, thanks.
 
Xeo
Btw, can you read / understand German somewhat?
I could give you my cover letter so you could cross-check
 
Robot is going to work in Germany??
 
Xeo
10:45 AM
@Neil It might be relevant if he doesn't speak the native language of the place he's applying for
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'd say it's up to the task. You list all the essentials: Why applying there? Why do you think you fit the job? How would you cope with a working as a foreigner? You list them briefly, pointing out a supposedly more explicit CV. Seems good to me. (Modulo the formal greeting at the end, which I don't know much about.)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes sounds a bit weak. Could do with saying a bit more about why you are great
 
@Xeo I can read it out loud (i.e. I know some of the phonetics), but I have a very limited vocabulary, and I don't know grammar.
 
Xeo
Ah, too bad
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion He seems to be going to apply.
 
10:46 AM
@Xeo It's enough to know he wrote the cover letter well imo
 
In other words, I can easily appear to know it if I'm the speaking part of a one-sided conversation. :P
 
@sbi right.
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Grammar is pretty similar to English, actually.
 
with regards to SO and Blog, I would put that in covering letter, those are details about you as a person
@Xeo I thought German had sensible grammar?
 
Xeo
@thecoshman Yeah, I mention SO and Channel9 as "relevant platforms I'm browsing" in mine
 
10:47 AM
Just don't write it like that
 
Xeo
@Neil lol
 
@thecoshman I heard it was one of the worst grammars.
There were a few universal language attempts before Esperanto that were not successful, allegedly due to being based on German grammar.
 
Xeo
robot, want me to try and translate my cover letter (atleast the common part I include in every one)?
 
off to luuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuunch
 
sbi
10:49 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes We've just discussed this at lunch yesterday with my current R&D boss. When working in a foreign country, the ability to follow a meeting in the foreign language is far more important than being able to contribute to it in the foreign language, because the others will likewise find it easier to listen to you speaking English than to talk English.
 
Xeo
@Neil have a nice meal
 
@sbi Yeah, that makes sense. (That remark about the one-sided conversation I made was a joke, btw).
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes In short, the R&D boss said he'd hire somebody who seems to (be able to quickly learn to) understand German, even if they only spoke English at the beginning.
 
@Xeo If you think it helps.
 
@sbi are you now working a C++ job again? (I seem to recall you speaking about changing job a while back)
 
10:52 AM
@Xeo Ty, you too
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion Sigh. Didn't I tell you just the other day that I'll start doing just that on Oct, 1st?
 
You probably did. You'll probably also have to tell him again next week.
 
@sbi No you didn't, else I wouldn't ask, would I.
 
@Xeo Forgot 4chan?
 
I realized one more thing I can't live without when working on UIs: data-binding is essential. Don't make me set the value displayed on every single piece of the UI manually.
@sehe "relevant"?
 
10:55 AM
Damn arbitrary constraints :)
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion Right, it was @thecoshman and @Nils. Sorry, I kinda lost track.
 
ah ok :)
 
@sbi what's this about you starting a new job?
 
Xeo
lol
 
sbi
10:56 AM
@thecoshman Shut up.
 
@Neil This made me jump at the piano for a little rave. Practice ma chops. You know, to cover my letter next time!
 
@sbi :P
 
well, seems like an average day in the chat room, we're all snarling at each other :P
 
1 hour ago, by sehe
Speak. For. Yourself. Bitch!
:)
 
@TonyTheLion no, just the puppy
 
10:59 AM
lol, and me
 
@TonyTheLion Lions snarl?
 
They do in Flanders. Not so sure about Essex
 
3 hours ago, by Tony The Lion
I'm in a bad mood, I have a cold
 

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