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12:49 PM
Hiii
 
 
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2:32 PM
Hey
 
How are things?
 
I've had the distinct honor to repair an ubuntu installation with a broken boot-load, over the phone, across the atlantic ocean
it is not an activity I recommend
 
Sounds quite painful
 
took me two tries to get it. On the first I failed to explain how to add to the packet source list on the live cd. Because I needed some dependencies to get some remote control software running
there must have been some easy way to ssh tunnel through there with two endpoints being behind NAT, but I just couldn't think of anyhting
 
2:49 PM
Can't you reinstall Ubuntu via USB without losing your data? Or do you need the bootloader to work for that?
 
I wasn't about to find out by trying, you can imagine that the backup situation was not the best
since the dude insists on downloading his email (and deleting them from the online inbox)
 
That's a pretty interesting thing to do.
Sounds kinda shady. It honestly amazes me types of things people do over email.
 
Dud just did it that way since the 90s and doesn't want to change
the only reason I had to install ubuntu on his laptop in the first place is because with Windows he kept getting Viruses
 
I imagine there's a handful of people that keep paper copies of all of their text messages
@Morwenn Working on debugging. You?
 
3:11 PM
Busy improving and releasing C++03 libraries
 
interesting
 
It's mostly maintenance stuff though, I'm not really creating or significantly improving any interesting algorithm
But I'm getting timsort 1.2.1 and 2.0.1 on Conan Center, so there's already that
 
 
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5:50 PM
I have returned with noodles
 
The noodly endeavours
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: The Spaghettic Endeavours [c++] [c++11] [c++14] [c++17] [c++20] [c++-faq]
 
oh my
Haha, I just Googled that
 
For a second I feared that I unintentionally referred to something very unprofessional
 
Oh, that's good ^^
 
6:02 PM
smh
That's an interesting filtering question. Is that image technically a softcore pornographic image (the second listing)? Like it's so widespread that it comes up with a safe search on but if someone were to have drawn something like it today without the context it might be classified as such.
 
It's only softcore pornography if you're into it
 
Spaghetti creatures all the way
 
At least they're tasty
 
I don't even know how to respond to that
 
With Grana Padano :p
 
6:19 PM
 
That pic is cursed x)
 
Cursed? I was just trying to make a cheesy joke.
 
You fell deep into the infamous uncanny valley :')
 
I'm just glad I'm not the one talking to a cup of coffee
 
It's actually a cup of java
 
6:33 PM
it's actually a mug of java
 
its akshualy a mug'o lava
 
ist shakauyl a m'ogu vala
 
ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
 
Iä! Iä! Cthulhu fhtagn!
Did you search that on the internet or are you familiar with his other works?
 
6:52 PM
I read a few novels around Cthulhu but tbh the style often wasn't great
The Ballad of Black Tom was a good take on the racist issues in Lovecraft stories though
To be honest, I find that what everyone made of Lovecraft's stories and way superior to the original work - the whole lore is better now than it was then
 
user7659542
wth, every time smth weird happens in my Xilinx IDE/setup or whatever and I google the error message I always find some Xilinx employee saying on their forum
 
user7659542
"this is a known issue bla bla.."
 
user7659542
Guys (from Xilinx), you ve had this "known issue" for years now. Isn t it time for you to now fix this?
 
user7659542
Get your shit together!
 
They know it's an issue, doesn't mean that they know how to fix it or care enough x)
 
user7659542
6:57 PM
Xilinx is a worldclass company, not some small start up. There must be someone there who knows how to fix this
 
user7659542
if they don't care enough: this is your IDE and I am not even able to synthesize my design by clicking on a button... This is not some advanced esoteric feature I am trying to use. You could at least get your basic functionality working properly
 
I haven't read The Ballad of Black Tom yet. I would generally agree that the offshoots are better except for The Shadow Over Innsmouth
 
I've long given up on things working in the IT world
Too bad it's still frustrating ç_ç
 
user7659542
@PeterT lol... How did you connect to the system via your phone? Or did you have to give directives on the phone/via sms or smth alike?
 
8:25 PM
in Electrical Engineering on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, yesterday, by Nick Alexeev
Many EE types don't grok C++. EE types, however, frequently have to write embedded code. So they stick to plain C. **
in Electrical Engineering on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, yesterday, by Nick Alexeev
** C++ is an acquired taste. Likewise, the majority of C++ programmers don't grok EE and physics.
from an exchange about C++ on microcontrollers
 
 
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10:32 PM
I don't grok EE and physics.
 
 
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11:37 PM
@Morwenn How can you not grok ee?
 
Electrical Engineering?
It never made intuitive sense to me, and I never specifically needed it to solve problems
 
user7659542
@Morwenn yes
 
user7659542
@Morwenn you only care about how your templates work and such high level stuff
 
yes
 
user7659542
urgh... I need ee in my life (for now)
 
11:39 PM
I care that the software I write does what I wrote it for
I'll only go lower if I need to, which is prtty much never
 
user7659542
I care about my software and also my or other people's hardware it is running on
 
At best I look at the generated assembly, but it's still understandable without EE
 
user7659542
never had to write a device driver and hook up an oscilloscope?
 
user7659542
or use an oscilloscope tout court
 
No
 
user7659542
11:41 PM
I feel so sorry for you
 
I write monolithic desktop clients
Sorry? Why?
 
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@Morwenn beurk...
 
I never liked EE so I'm happy I don't have to deal with those
 
user7659542
@Morwenn imo that s the fun part
 
The abstract part of the sorting algorithms and bending complexities was the fun part to me
 
user7659542
11:42 PM
reading schematics and so on and so forth is quite amusing
 
Different people, different tastes
 
user7659542
I guess, yhea
 
user7659542
this being said I think that in a couple of years I ll transition to a more DSP-related field
 
user7659542
do more algorithmic stuff, maths etc
 
If I was sorry for people every time they don't enjoy the music I enjoy I'd live my whole life being sorry x)
Ah, but I don't like most maths either
 
user7659542
11:44 PM
didn t you study engineering?
 
yes
 
user7659542
well...
 
I didn't understand shit to mechanics and electronics
Or maths FWIW
 
user7659542
mechanics was my favourite course! I miss those times!
 
Turns out that that with sufficiently good skills in English, French, communication and programming/computer science it was enough to get the diploma x)
 
user7659542
11:45 PM
Most of the students had a hard time, but I enjoyed spending lany hours at home trying to understand every little detail and doing more research about it
 
user7659542
@Morwenn understandable. I think most sw engineers don t use maths at all
 
user7659542
they just code and think about their software (which is understandable)
 
More like we use specific branches of maths. A whole bunch of what we do is discrete mathematics, set theories and so on
And you don't need to know all the nifty things to get working results
 
user7659542
@Morwenn you use them implicitely. But most of the sw engineers never ever have to solve or come up with equations or whatsoever themselves or using matlab
 
Just writing desktop clients that scale, do the job and are robust enough is difficult enough as is
@traducerad we rely of maths and EE, but we don't need to get most of it
 
user7659542
11:48 PM
@Morwenn trying to understand your job. What makes it difficult?
 
Spaghetti code, deadlines, unsuitable architectures, network bottleneck, error handling, data consistency, etc.
Basically every big app becomes difficult to maintain at some point
Also we always need to vaguely grasp the client's domain, which changes with each job
 
user7659542
@Morwenn what product does your company make?
 
There's always things breaking everywhere, new underspecified features and random edge cases, and never enough time to treat everything correctly
My company sells engineers working hours to clients lol
 
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@Morwenn prostitution?
 
user7659542
sorry I meant, consultancy?
 
11:51 PM
I've worked with satellite data, depth cameras, medical software, agriculture stuff and oceanographic toolchains so far
Plus everything I don't remember
 
user7659542
@Morwenn doesn t sound like prositution
 
Yeah it's basically prostitution
 
user7659542
@Morwenn yet, it is
 
user7659542
prostitution with extra steps. Some sort of more sophisticated version of it
 
user7659542
French prostitution
 
11:54 PM
Sometimes it's interesting, sometimes it's "why does the pig-specific information follow a different convention than the rest of the cattle?"
And sometimes it's "I can't actually work because I need to login info to access the db"
Or "VPN fucked again"
And "how are we supposed to merge two databases that don't use the same ontologies?" "don't care, find a way"
 
user7659542
it s 2 am and I m working for one of my clients, while laying in bed, because I can t sleep
 
user7659542
writing vhdl
 
Even when I write open-source libraries, there's a part about the algorithms themselves, a part about the language and library design, then it's about licenses, project architecture conventions, integration into build systems and package manager, tests, benchmarks, continuous integration, code coverage, proper documentation and tutorials, etc.
 
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am I crazy?
 
idk
 
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11:58 PM
@Morwenn a job with variety
 
you do you as long as you don't durably exhaust yourself
 
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@Morwenn I m well past that threshold since years
 
@traducerad That's only the open source projects, so what I do for fun on my own time
 
user7659542
I ve been working 7/7 since more than 1 year now
 
@traducerad then yes you're probably crazy v0v
 

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