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12:30 AM
@Mikhail Looks interesting, but a whole lot different from anything I ever dealt with...
@Mikhail At least initially, the throughput doesn't seem terribly impressive:
9.5 Frames per Second (Four 600 µm × 600 µm Areas, 512 Scan Lines per Area, 1 Stripe per Area)
On the other hand, I've never dealt with this sort of instrument--for all I know, that could be an order of magnitude more throughput than anything else even attempts. :-)
FWIW, a quick look around turns up a paper on the design:
 
12:47 AM
@JerryCoffin Basically, its not possible to acquire data at the diffraction limit. They could image much finer but it go really slow. Its a scanning galvo with a PMT (I think), so they could really scan the beam at whatever spacing they want.
I want to do build a full field version and do Normarski/DIC in a single shot, somebody just needs to give me like $200,000 + overhead
possibly you
 
Beggars are everywhere, it's just some of them have nicer name: monks, charity, startup founders ...
The Adafruit 16-Channel 12-bit PWM/Servo Driver will drive up to 16 servos over I2C with only 2 pins.  The on-board PWM controller will drive all 16 channels simultaneously with no additional Arduino processing overhead.  What's more, you can chain up to 62 of them to control up to 992 servos - all with the same 2 pins!
Elementary school maths, today I have applied ...
 
1:03 AM
@Mikhail Oh, I never bother with investments that small. You need to learn how to ask for at least a few million at time... :-)
@Mikhail The paper includes a video that looks more impressive (at least to me) than the one Thorlabs linked.
 
1:26 AM
Its not even securities fraud because its at time of founding rather than during the angel round.
 
@Mikhail Seriously, I'm in the process of buying a house right now. Definitely not making any other major investments for a while. Houses in San Diego are too expensive! Wish I could get one for only $200K though.
 
San Diego? Or do you mean La Jolla specifically?
 
1:48 AM
@TelKitty La Jolla? I wish I could afford that! The house I'm buying is about $750K. The same size in La Jolla would be around $2-2.5M.
 
@JerryCoffin get one with wheels, save money
 
Hermes Birkin Handbag $15k, 3 month old chicken $15 - do the Maths, each bag worth 1000 chickens in human valuation system </sarcasm>
 
@Mikhail I think they're only allowed in areas with more tornadoes.
@TelKitty I don't understand how you can get sarcastic. I mean, the handbag must taste much better, right?
 
Taste is nothing compare to having baby bags ...
Get a bag you might end up with nothing in 1000 years. Get 1000 chickens, it might end up with 1000,000 in 1000 years. It's possible.
 
blech guts again
 
2:02 AM
@TelKitty I'd guess in 1000 years about all I'll have is a headstone and some roots growing through the ever-so-slightly more mineral rich parts of the soil where my casket rotted (and maybe still a tiny contribution from my body rotting as well, but if so too slight to measure).
But, you never know. I might do something stupid like die in Antarctica or on Mount Everest, so in a thousand years my body will still be there, permanently frozen.
 
I still fantasize about hobby chicken farm <3
 
 
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3:32 AM
^-- 1 cat sleeps with 5 dogs with 1 other watching --^
 
 
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5:44 AM
So, statistics...
I have crime data for particular crime which I am trying to explain by model with predictors like unemployed persons count, lagged divorce counts and lagged birth counts.
My first try was with GLM with Poisson distribution but the data seem over-dispersed, so I searched and the typical move is to try with negative binomial distribution.
Now, how do I present the model? I mean, what do you put in an article? A table? Or Y=e^{...}?
 
Why Poisson distribution or negative binomial distribution? Why not cross-correlation with time shift?
 
@TelKitty Well, the model has multiple predictors. What do you mean by cross-correlation with time shift?
I used the cross correlation with time shift to pick the best lagged predictors for the birth and divorce counts.
 
C(T) for crime rate at time t, D(T-t) as divorce rate at time (T-t), B(T-t) as birth rate at time (T-t).
Also it can get complicated if unemployment, divorce & lagged birth rate are some what inter-dependent.
 
6:43 AM
@nwp It doesn't. That's why the people are the problem: their threats are evil.
@wilx Let me recap: "A bunch of people are having a toddler tantrum and threaten huge damage by abusing their power". Somehow you conclude "CoCs are evil". You know, they could just not do that. It's them, not CoCs.
Nothing about this is tricky or hard. The reversal is big and glaring.
 
nwp
@sehe People didn't start threatening to quit the project out of nowhere. They are threatening to quit because they don't accept suddenly being treated like children. And the CoC says treating people like children is ok and having people express themselves like they always do is not.
 
Are they. I think the evidence only indicates they're acting like children.
 
nwp
It may just be a temporary issue like on SO. Everyone who doesn't think starting every answer and comment with "I think you are great and your design is good but maybe consider trying another approach" is a good way to communicate (exaggerated for clarity) may just leave.
 
That sentence seems to be incomplete.
 
nwp
Well yeah, you took their ability to communicate away and they are angry. I'd throw a tantrum too.
 
6:49 AM
I did nothing.
 
nwp
Apparently you are compatible with having people tell you your way of talking is incorrect or maybe you never say things that are now objectionable.
I am not that lucky.
Saying for example "This is a lame way of expressing that function" and then having a 1 hour conversation about how people have their feelings hurt when hearing the word lame really isn't acceptable to me.
(and yes, that actually happened)
 
@nwp I'm not. But I'm very very incompatible with people threatening harm because they might starting to see more consequences when they behave like an ass-hole.
@nwp That never happens to me, and I don't really hold back a lot.
Or I'll just opt out of such a discussion. I guess that may explain.
 
nwp
@sehe Then you haven't been to the right places or got lucky/unlucky. Seeing the increase in that happening I assume you will eventually.
 
@sehe I think it would be silly to actually do that en masse. But I understand their frustration. You are presenting false dichotomy in that if their doing is evil then the CoCs cannot be evil. CoCs are evil.
 
@nwp So, my opinion is invalid. Got it.
 
nwp
6:55 AM
@sehe You can't. Your attempt at talking about technical issues gets completely derailed into talking about social issues. And the CoC makes it so you cannot simply disengage. At the very least you must apologize and promise to do better next time and that is not sustainable if it is a lie.
@sehe What? How did you read that into it?
 
@nwp I can. If I can't say what needs saying, I'll just leave, perhaps even be banned.
 
nwp
@sehe That's exactly what those people are saying. Except they are announcing it before doing it so people reconsider their actions.
Because they don't actually want to leave or get banned and it would be bad if they did.
 
Nah. Them leaving doesn't require them to be evil while doing so.
 
nwp
In my experience many places have become toxic. I didn't understand the term a year ago or so. But now I see for example cpplang slack #learn where you get yelled at for using the word "lame". And adopting a CoC seems to be what causes the culture shift from "Let's just talk" to "We must not offend anyone and ban regulars to make that happen".
So I can totally understand that adopting a CoC causes a somewhat aggressive reaction.
"Either you stop with such bullshit or we quit" seems reasonable to me.
 
A even worse thing - they call you disloyal when you walk away after getting mistreated. Even your pet dog will stop loving you if you keep on hitting it with a stick.
 
7:04 AM
I understand how CoCs can threaten freedom/liberty and that could make one feel less welcome to be one's own. However, I do also realize that the absense of CoC has proven to make others (the less vocal majorities, IYAM) feel less welcome, for decades.
I do think it's a net win to have some middle ground, basically introducing common social norms back into an area that has strangely been "exempt" (because of internet's relative anonimity?) , restoring some balance.
@nwp Yelling is against the CoC, I suppose :)
 
nwp
I missphrased that. I was politely told that some people are actually lame and feel bad when hearing such an expression and I should use words like "bad" instead.
 
lol. I appreciate that. I actually think that's the point, and somewhat valid.
 
nwp
I can see how that may seem reasonable, but for me concentrating on not using any words that someone may consider offensive severely limits my ability to concentrate on what I want to say and there is not much left over to concentrate on the actual problem.
Previously people were tolerant and thought "He said lame but meant bad, close enough". Now it has become unacceptable behavior.
Maybe in a generation or 2 we will all have been yelled at politely corrected many times so we automatically behave "correctly" and this will be a non-issue.
For now it sucks a lot is very inconvenient for people like me.
 
It's not just lame->bad of course. It's "if you crucify someone's code, they often feel it as a personal attack" - that's just human interaction.
@sehe The sitting in-crowd threatening to abuse their power is childish. Akin to "taking their ball and go home". Even "destroying the playground on their way out" just so that others cannot join? That is evil.
@nwp Well, look at the flip-side. Exactly what makes your "It limits my ability to contribute" more important than theirs?
 
nwp
I don't know. I don't feel like I limit other people. But if my using of the word "lame" causes them not being able to contribute we will need some culture clashing to figure out how to behave.
 
7:14 AM
Yup. Feelings are subjective.
 
nwp
Arguably my side has already lost, so we just wait till people like me die out and the problem is solved.
Somehow I don't feel that is the best solution though, so I will do what I can and leave toxic places, hoping that enough non-toxic places stay alive.
 
It's funny that you call some places toxic :) That's the whole point to the debate.
 
nwp
Except that the places I call toxic are the complement of what "they" call toxic.
 
Bingo
 
nwp
And somehow "leaving toxic places" is not good enough for them, they have to come and overthrow "my" places.
Which is really not ok.
 
7:19 AM
(It's not really, but the realization that it can be subjective is the key)
 
nwp
How is that the key? The problem remains. Nothing is solved.
To have a solution we must all agree on baby-language or not. And I don't see any side giving in.
Alternatively separate places. Have a CoC SO and a non-CoC SO. But that also seems like a shitty bad solution.
 
@nwp That's the whole point.
CoCs aren't the artificial things. In real life, it would have been neigh impossible for things to grow out of balance quite so badly. Arguably, the internet has become of real importance, and people being excluded from it has become a problem in real life, so it is important to restore some of the social norms that make social life work, there.
@nwp I don't know what place would find that a bad solution. Of course, it will be shitty if you need to co-operate, which is exactly what this is about. It's about remembering what it takes for people to cooperate.
@nwp Notice how "they" cannot overthrow places. They only can with consent. Notice how the existing communities realize the need to include more people - without that, it would just stay the same for a few more decades.
It's a misrepresentation to see this as an "us against them" invasion.
 
nwp
@sehe Well, SO will find it a bad solution. Dividing their user base is bad. You can have different chat servers with different rules, but that's about it. Anything that goes into open source development cannot simply have separate areas for people to contribute.
 
Precisely.
 
nwp
@sehe Well, they don't have my consent.
I feel like I'm on the losing end and will eventually be excluded from contributing on the internet. Maybe it's karmic justice but you cannot expect me to like or support that.
 
7:30 AM
Why so dramatic? People have been excluded /for real/ and somehow you think the fact that you will have to differentiate when communicating to your closest friends vs. a general community is going to "exclude you"?
 
nwp
Oh, and I don't consider myself particularly evil or vulgar, but that probably doesn't mean anything seeing as it's all subjective anyways.
 
Me neither (I don't view you as vulgar, nor me) :)
 
nwp
I can see how more and more online communities say "Eat the CoC or leave" and I choose "leave" every time which eventually causes problems.
And I say "This is a dumb idea" to my closest friends too and I consider it doing them a favor in the right situation.
 
You don't have to mandate that a community you participate in must allow you to be your truest self, unfiltered. I mean, you choose your communities. If you're a swinger, you don't mingle with your evangelical friends (especially not for having an alcoholic party watching a sports match)
 
nwp
And if they start saying "Could you maybe not imply that I'm dumb? It offends me" then they will not be friends for long.
 
7:35 AM
^ Bingo again.
You can choose your close friends, and really require them to match your preferences. (It's a mutual thing, hopefully).
Less so with larger groups. If you find one that matches your sentiments, more power to you: you're very lucky.
@nwp Really, my stance is that it's always doing them a favour. But with random strangers it is important to make sure they get the message right.
 
nwp
@sehe Ah, but you see, at the beginning of time there were not CoCs. And then twitter.com/CoralineAda/status/1042249983590838272 happens. Doesn't look good for me.
 
Yet, it's not Coraline who had any power to change things. It was literally always very contentious until Linus flipped. If someone represents "established culture" in the Linux community...
@nwp (ugh at that tweet, though. "lost"/"won". Trump wants his favorite words back)
 
@sehe Linus was always extreme. 99 % of people in OSS are not like him.
 
ikr
 
8:07 AM
@nwp Why do you leave?
unless you're a shitface it should be a lot easier to just comply
then not leave
and I don't think that you are a shitface
 
You say that like it's a bad thing.
 
nwp
@Puppy I'm fairly sure that 1) this is a CoC violation and 2) you should be allowed to say that. Hence I'm unwilling to comply.
 
not a violation of any CoC I know of
 
CoC blocked.
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and if it is, then that's not CoCs are evil, that's just a terrible CoC
 
 
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9:37 AM
@Puppy A group of SJWs are trying to use formalized CoCs to police projects they haven't participated in. Isn't that what's really being discussed? itsfoss.com/linux-code-of-conduct
 
10:26 AM
Complying to most CoCs generally isn't difficult unless you're a huge dick
 
@Morwenn Untrue. They are often so vague that almost anything can be interpreted as violation.
 
@wilx Unless you're trying to annoy people somehow you will hardly ever have problems x)
I never managed to get banned from any place on the internet because of behaviour to date
So it shouldn't be that hard :p
 
10:50 AM
(well, I did get a temp ban a long time ago because Puppy didn't like that I shared an animated .png despite the rules only explicitly forbidding animated .gif x)
 
11:25 AM
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Q: How can I create a lock screen for multiple displays?

Mil MarkI'm currently using EnumDisplayMonitors() to create a vector with the HDC for all the monitors I get in the callback function, in a similar way as it is used in the top answer of this question: Win32: capture handle to Display monitor typedef std::vector<HDC> hdc_vector; BOOL CALLBACK DisplayMo...

/cc @milleniumbug @Mysticial yeah thats not supicious...
 
12:08 PM
@Morwenn Welp.
I got banned once or twice here by SO mods. I cannot remember the exact reason though. I was probably not inclusive enough.
 
@Morwenn how american your interpretation, and european the enforcement against you...
 
12:25 PM
@Mgetz that was mereluy unrequited pedantry :p
"not inclusive enough" is hardly among my problems x)
 
12:45 PM
@Morwenn American lawyers loooooove them some pedantry
 
 
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2:05 PM
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Q: In C++, is a "public static enum" in base class, a faster alternative to dynamic_cast?

Makarand KokaneIn C++, "dynamic_cast" being slow is a known fact. I thought of following simple way of knowing the type of an object in a hierarchy. Could someone please explain if this could be slower than dynamic_cast? And if not, then why isn't it a common practice, given that speed is the worst drawback of ...

 
2:44 PM
/me:tiltshead
@Puppy or realize that you're already complying
@wilx Your disinterest is interesting here. Maybe that's unrelated.
Meanwhile, I'm going to take your imputed/implied surrogate reason with a grain of salt.
 
I have very little idea of what's going on, not reading twitter much and don't use facebook or linkedIn at all ... I also ignored meta pretty much entirely these a few months. Life has been good.
There are so many useful things to learn, why bother putting effort on less important things?
Study the fundamentals, ignore all the kinks.
I have also learned to set goals, then mainly spending time strategizing how to reach those goals.
Having the right goals and striving to reach those goals are a lot more fun and rewarding than following social trends.
There are 10 types of people in this world: those who know exactly what they are doing, and those who don't & mainly follow what others do.
 
 
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4:05 PM
@sehe Disinterest?
You mean my inability to remember why I got banned is disinterest?
 
Yes, that's what I mean.
 
5:01 PM
@sehe Vocabulary lesson: I think you mean he's "uninterested", not "disinterested". "Disinterested" applies to somebody like you'd hope a judge or referee would be: paying close attention to what's going on, but has no interest in seeing one side win vs. the other side winning. Somebody who's just not paying attention or doesn't care about what's going on at all is "uninterested".
 
@Borgleader haha
 
nwp
5:44 PM
CppCon 2018 has started uploading.
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6:06 PM
@Mikhail Whether or not they participated in them is irrelevant as to whether or not the people who are participating in them are being shitfaces
@Mikhail The other problem is that you're bandwagonning a whole load of people who don't necessarily agree even with each other as if they're some kind of organised group into just a giant ball of SJW instead of actually taking the time to consider their perspective and/or think about what is actually happening here.
 
6:33 PM
@Puppy The problem is that CoCs open up liability where none existed, in the linked article a group of SJWs are raising money to harass/enforce CoCs in projects they haven't participated in. Literally the "be nice police".
I was pro-CoC until I understood the context, and motivation
 
 
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7:46 PM
Does anyone know of a proposal to add "late template argument deduction"? For example auto i; is legal but incomplete and then i = 42; deduces i to be int "late".
There are situations when that is much more useful than for this example.
 
@Mikhail CoC's can be all right when they're an expression of the community's pre-existing desires. They're a lot less all right when it really expresses the desires of a (often small, but vocal) minority. They can be downright evil when they're externally imposed because somebody feels the need to control others.
@nwp I've never heard of such a proposal.
 
nwp
void f(int){}
void f(double){}
std::invoke(&f, 42); //does late overload resolution, no longer ambiguous
Is another more useful example.
Although I guess that's a different feature.
 
@JerryCoffin In this case it's going further. Somebody outside the community will enforce the CoC. Consider this story. New contributor appears, everybody agrees their code is shit. They complain to the CoC police saying the community violated its own CoC. Thats what they are trying to setup.
But it's also got some social justice overtones, like somebody appears and removes references to "master/slave" from the code base. Rational people undo the commit. CoC police get involved.
 
8:11 PM
@JerryCoffin it's always about power and imposing someones will on another... it doesn't matter who came up with it... and I'm not just talking about CoCs
 
 
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9:28 PM
@Mikhail There are times I'm half-tempted to add some gratuitous references to masters and slaves (and anything else I think of that might get people's panties in a bunch) just to see if I can give at least a few SJWs heart attacks (or at least conniption fits).
"Remember: there's no S, J or W in C++"
 
 
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10:47 PM
lol
 
11:26 PM
@JerryCoffin "Remember: there's no S, J or W in C++" unless the ++ is recursive. but the order would be different, so I must discard that hypothesis.
 

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