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22:01
@Insilico I doubt your knuckles would survive that.
@sbi Hmm. Must have missed a decimal point then.
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@Insilico How can you express the times a button is pressed using floating numbers?
@sbi Sometimes I don't completely press in the button, obviously.
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@Insilico Yeah, really. I could have thought of that myself.
That answer just got updated 9 seconds (or .. was it 10 seconds, I'm confused now) ago
22:08
@sbi His lifetime doesn't last long enough to push that button so many times :p
7 mins ago, by In silico
@sbi Hmm. Must have missed a decimal point then.
what in the world is a livelock
@JohannesSchaublitb it's a deadlock without the death
A deadlock is a situation in which two or more competing actions are each waiting for the other to finish, and thus neither ever does. In an operating system, a deadlock is a situation which occurs when a process enters a waiting state because a resource requested by it is being held by another waiting process, which in turn is waiting for another resource. If a process is unable to change its state indefinitely because the resources requested by it are being used by other waiting process, then the system is said to be in a deadlock. Deadlock is a common problem in multiprocessing syst...
There, I've Wikipedia'ed it for you.
@JohannesSchaublitb It's alive!
22:10
@Insilico it says "Deadlock"
@JohannesSchaublitb Astute observation :p
@JohannesSchaublitb No shit. Look for the "Livelock" section. :-P
@Insilico @JohannesSchaublitb or just click the damn link. Onebox is just... onebox
@JohannesSchaublitb but I am surprised that you have never heard of a livelock before.
22:12
"Wikipedia" doesn't really work as a verb.
@JohannesSchaublitb Wikiped is something I would use as a method of transport. :-P
Autoped
After all, "wiki" means "quick"
wow. there are lightnings out on the sky, but no thunder at all
22:13
So a wikiped is a quick pedestrian.
@StackedCrooked But, has he heard of wedlock?
Look up on Wikipedia. Composition: it works bitches.
@StackedCrooked But it doesn't have that ring to it.
@sehe I'm not sure what that is.. Googling... Ah, just like I expected.
@JohannesSchaublitb Recalibrate ears. Move close to storm. Just saying
22:14
that looks great from my 8th floor
lol
Wedlock may refer to: * Marriage * Wedlock (album), an album by Sunburned Hand of the Man * Wedlock (film), directed by Lewis Teague * Billy Wedlock, an English footballer * Fred Wedlock, an English folk singer * Wedlock (band), electronic indie based in North Carolina,USA.(See also):Paul Allgood * Wedlock, a 2009 historical book written by Wendy Moore
Like it doesn't sound the same way as LMGTFY.
We're Wanton Wikipaediacs
"Let me Wiki that for you". Not sure if that works.
22:16
@StackedCrooked I see you answered you're own question?
How the hell did Lounge<C++> get almost twice as many members and messages than other rooms?
Yeah. I didn't want to fake cynism. That would be pretty pointless.
@Insilico Sheer patience and luck
user1182183
heya all! :D Anyone familiar with making algorithms for calculating shorest distances between nodes in a planar graph (whatever that means xD) :D
@sehe I thought it was just a bunch of [C++] users being... [C++] users.
22:17
@Insilico That's what I said, no?
@sehe We're patient and lucky?
@GamErix Use the distance formula and minimize its value?
@Insilico No, we're patient (a.k.a. don't have lives) and the chat room is lucky
@sehe We're patient? :-P
@Insilico You're proving it. Also. Stop asking every answer in reverse.
Dammit. I'm patient!
It just seems... out of character for some of us.
user1182183
22:20
we're having a nice discussion at http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11277993/faster-alternatives-to-dijkstras-algorithm-for-gps-system
I would appreciate it if any more people would come over :D
Nah.We're all very patient. Or we wouldn't be here.
@sehe Good point.
@sehe hmm. /b/ without images is like food without bacon, i.e. useless.
@RadekSlupik I thought images was the point of /b/ in the first place.
@RadekSlupik It's back up now
22:22
@sehe Ahh I see.
@Insilico 4chan in general
Oh shit, it's not back up: it's back up without pictures
I wonder whether they're running leapy linux with ntpd
@sehe Might as well keep it offline until they get pictures up.
Holy fuck Facebook Timelines are hard as hell to read
My eyeballs are tired of having to zig zag across the screen to even begin reading crap
You're doing it wrong. Facebook is not for reading. Facebook is for bashing and generally used only when drunk
@sehe I've been using it all wrong!
user1182183
22:26
Well I only use it to read the stupid statuses :P
If you're using it, it's all wrong by definition
@sehe Facebook is wrong by definition. In every single way.
Because Facebook, apparently.
Facebook is wrong because it's written in PHP rather than Perl.
Is "by definition" now used for emphasis?
No - it serves as a pretense for authority
22:28
@RadekSlupik Actually they write it in PHP then run it through a tool to turn it into C++ code, and the servers run the compiled C++ code.
@sehe Yeah, that sounds more accurate.
Whether that makes it a huge WTF or not is another question.
@Insilico Yeah so? It's still written in PHP.
user1182183
eeee, In Silico how do you know that? ; o
@RadekSlupik Not in the traditional sense. But still...
22:29
“I write code in C++ and compile it to machine code, therefore I write machine code.”
@GamErix They blogged about it (it's called HipHop or something)
It's not really a secret.
@RadekSlupik Why not just hire C++ programmers? Oh wait, because nobody knows how to write C++ code.
@GamErix Everybody knows that - they advertise it.
@Insilico Because Perl > C++.
22:29
No PHP implementation could hope to support something so large.
Also one of their lead devs is a quite a famous C++ buff (Andrei)
user1182183
Yeah I'm a noob if it gets to C++, just look at my code and you will be laughing until dead
Important thing is to be aware of it.
@RadekSlupik Makes sense, so they can always fall back on plain php.
user1182183
but.. it works
22:30
@StackedCrooked Not really.
Not really?
It's written in PHP only because it was written in PHP, before it got big.
@StackedCrooked Performance. Facebook, apparently, requires webscale ... LOL
Why do you think they invested in custom PHP implementation rather than rewrite.
@sehe webscale.
22:31
Reference PHP implementation will burn before it finishes booting up.
@EtiennedeMartel Damn you post many links on FB.
@CatPlusPlus Well that is the $1mi question
user1182183
why didn't they create a C++ webserver instead of writing code in php and converting to c++? troll.
@sehe MongoDB! :P
@Insilico italicized for a reason
22:31
@GamErix Because Facebook.
what's that site where people link to stuff and if it gets to the front page the SO question gets hundreds of hits?
@RadekSlupik italicized for a reason
Perl is web scaler than PHP.
@MooingDuck Reddit?
@MooingDuck Twitter
22:32
@GamErix Because they had to start somewhere.
@CatPlusPlus Joel Spolsky's blog?
Well, Reddit too, possibly.

Lounge<C++>

Today we're daydreaming about C++26 reflection
@sehe He still blogs?
I thought he closed that.
@Insilico ah, reddit, that's what I was thinking of
22:33
@CatPlusPlus I dunno. Just jabbing really
@MooingDuck Hackernews, y-combinator, slashdot (does that still exist?)
@Insilico I've been trying to do that, but my laziness always gets the better of me.
@EtiennedeMartel I think that's the case for pretty much everyone here. :-/
@sehe Tweakers :p
@sehe /. still exists, why?
@Insilico Oh no. My laziness hasn't got much to do with it. Just a lack of interest.
Dammit: I learnt c++ the hard way. Let others suffer the same way :)
22:36
@RadekSlupik Presumably because he hadn't visited that site in a long time.
The only blog I've ever really liked was Smashing Magazine. :/
I don't like reading.
@RadekSlupik It's a postal ground for nerdy internet links, too
@RadekSlupik I like reading. If it has equations in it.
Jon Skeet likes Reading.
@StackedCrooked Yeah I use it. But not for news/background. Only specs and reviews
@RadekSlupik Reading likes Jon Skeet
22:37
Just bought a book on C++ that's written in Hebrew. Not sure yet if I'll learn more C++ or Hebrew from it.
@sehe It was a pun.
@Moshe Let us know if it's any good.
Good translations of technical books are few and far between.
I liked Digg in 2006. It was the first site that I encountered that used upvotes and downvotes.
@RadekSlupik Reading is an author, not? Is he the one from 'Waterschapsheuvel' - Or is my memory messing with me
@sehe Reading is the city in the UK called where Jon Skeet lives.
22:38
@Insilico Nonexistent and irrelevant, FTFY
@RadekSlupik Oh. Zing. Lemme star it for you
Oh. Schreeuw.
Anyways, Reading likes Jon Skeet too, then
Who doesn't?
I like Perl.
Yeah, but you're crazy.
@RadekSlupik TMI
22:39
Only why is the logo of The Perl Foundation an onion?
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@RadekSlupik Me.
@RadekSlupik Because perl makes you cry
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Oh WPF woes
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@RadekSlupik The development of PERL was sponsored by The Onion. Didn't you know?
22:40
Lolz my first Perl program :P
my @greetings = ("Howdy", "Hello", "Hey", "Hi", "Good day");
foreach (sort @greetings) {
    print "$_, world!\n";
}
@sbi No, I'm new to Perl.
@sbi So it's an esoteric programming language after all!
user1182183
who dislikes lua?
user1182183
/me
Perl is executable line noise.
cat /dev/random | perl
How does anybody come up with that many operators?
22:43
@RadekSlupik these are more perly: (but I can't mimick the obfuscation)
print foreach map { "$_, world!\n" } ("Howdy", "Hello", "Hey", "Hi", "Good day");
map { print "$_, world!\n" } ("Howdy", "Hello", "Hey", "Hi", "Good day");
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Whoa! This radio station has been playing cover versions of Bob Dylan for almost two hours. (I think Dylan will be playing in Berlin tomorrow or next week.) Currently it's a very oriental sounding version of One More Cup Of Coffee For The Road by some Turkish woman. Really strange, that.
@sbi Is it any good?
@sehe I'm more used to imperative programming. :P
I'm going to write a bug tracker in Perl.
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@Insilico The Turkish version? Really, I can't decide. It's very strange (and I have heard songs of him covered in Spanish, French, and Low German for two hours!), and also, lemme say: very interesting.
That ?
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22:45
@sehe I dunno. And I am not going there via UMTS. Sorry.
@sehe Why the duplication of the greetings? Oh wait, it's two times the same code.
@StackedCrooked Two approaches. I thought it was rather obvious... Perl culture rather famously favours one-liners
user1182183
stackoverflow.com/questions/11277993/… <- I do not really undestand the answer, Can anyone explain?
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@sehe But, whatever you found, I salute your search skills.
["Howdy", "Hello", "Hey", "Hi"].each { |msg| puts "#{msg} world!" }
Ruby is nicer :D
user1182183
22:47
try PAWN (yes, a language)
@StackedCrooked I wonder how close I can get to emulating that syntax in C++
See how much template/operator overloading wanking needs to be done for that to work.
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Wow. The next one will be a Dylan cover by Nana Mouskouri. I might want to turn off the radio until the news.
@sbi Quite an interesting theme this radio station has.
@Insilico Array({"Hello", "Hey", "Hi"}).each([](const std::string & msg) { std::cout << msg << " world!"; });
@sbi It will probably not surprise you that google "One More Cup Of Coffee For The Road by some Turkish woman" lead me to a blog about Sertab Erener and from there it is the default 2-hop search to the youtube vid
22:49
"by some Turkish woman" was really part of your search query?
@GamErix But it doesn't P0wn like Malbolge
@Insilico You'd have to implement the Array class yourself though.
@Insilico Yep. I just copied the verbatim phrase from SO chat. I'm lazy
user1182183
@sehe ('&%:9]!~}|z2Vxwv-,POqponl$Hjig%eB@@>}=<M:9wv6WsU2T|nm-,jcL(I&%$#"
`CB]V?Tx<uVtT`Rpo3NlF.Jh++FdbCBA@?]!~|4XzyTT43Qsqq(Lnmkj"Fhg${z@>
user1182183
lol
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22:50
@Insilico It's a two hour show that's going to end real soon now. If you want, you can listen to Nana Mouskouri here. (I suppose the stream can be listened to outside of Germany.)
user1182183
Malbolge is a public domain esoteric programming language invented by Ben Olmstead in 1998, named after the eighth circle of hell in Dante's Inferno, the Malebolge. The peculiarity of Malbolge is that it was specifically designed to be impossible to write useful programs in. However, weaknesses in this design have been found that make it possible (though still very difficult) to write Malbolge programs in an organized fashion. Programming in Malbolge Malbolge was so difficult to understand when it arrived that it took two years for the first Malbolge program to appear. The program wa...
user1182183
WTF?
user1182183
Who the heck creates such languages
@GamErix I'm not waking up my cat to walk across my keyboard too, you know
@sbi Apparently I can.
user1182183
22:50
it's imposibru to program, at least, you won't know what you're doing
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@stackedcrooked is there no way to infer the type of msg?
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@Insilico Oh, snap. She sings it in German. I should have turned the radio off. Unfortunately, I was intrigued by the version before. (French?)
@GamErix Lot's of people. Few people do it on purpose though. PHP devs might be unknown exceptions to that rule
@sehe Tch. unknown exceptions.
PHP is a general-purpose server-side scripting language originally designed for Web development to produce dynamic Web pages. It is one of the first developed server-side scripting languages to be embedded into an HTML source document rather than calling an external file to process data. The code is interpreted by a Web server with a PHP processor module which generates the resulting Web page. It also has evolved to include a command-line interface capability and can be used in standalone graphical applications. PHP can be deployed on most Web servers and also as a standalone shell on ...
WTF?
22:52
@Ell AFAIK lambda argument types can't be inferred. You could use a templatizeable functor Print class.
Who the heck creates such languages
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@GamErix Ben Olmstead. It says so on the page you linked.
| latest_release_version = ISO/IEC 14882:2011 | latest_release_date = 2011 | latest_test_version = | latest_test_date = | typing = Static, unsafe, nominative | implementations = | dialects = | influenced_by = C, Simula, Ada 83, ALGOL 68, CLU, ML | influenced = Perl, LPC, Lua, Pike, Ada 95, Java, PHP, D, C99, C#, Falcon | operating_system = Cross-platform (multi-platform) | license = | website = | file_ext = .h .hh .hpp .hxx .cc .cpp .cxx | wikibooks = C++...
user1182183
Well, HE is probably not retarted, but what's the use of suck a language?
WTF? Who the heck creates such languages?
user1182183
22:53
such*
@GamErix Epic. Typo.
@Insilico C++ > PHP
The point was that Malbolge > PHP too.
@Insilico Read closely. Their rare breed of language is most requently attributed to ignorance/accident. So, yes, if I (jokingly) suggest PHP might be badly designed on purpose that would make it an unknown exception
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Well, at least they conclude the show with Dylan himself.
@RadekSlupik Yes, I realize that.
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22:54
@RadekSlupik Anything > PHP
@sehe Did you fix that silly haircut?
@StackedCrooked Yup. Fixed
@StackedCrooked Yeah that threw me off a bit.
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@Insilico "Why isn't he talking to me, but to that Dutch guy over there?!"
@StackedCrooked Lol.
22:56
I have a PHP/MySQL book, which I bought a while ago hoping that I would learn something from it.
I didn't learn squat.
@sbi StackedCrooked is Belgian, IIRC
Dutch speaking Belgian.
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@sehe Oh snap. You are right. I apologize, @Stacked!
@Insilico Spontaneous Combustion. I hope you have insurance
@sbi No worries :D
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22:58
@StackedCrooked I am embarrassed.
Perhaps I can use this against you.
I need to think about it :p
@sehe That's not my biggest concern w.r.t. the book. :-P
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@StackedCrooked Think about it well, before you try!
9 hours ago, by Etienne de Martel
Well, I got beaten again by the sbinator.
@Insilico Call your exorcist to undo the damage
@sbi Thanks for the warning. I'll be very careful from now on!
22:59
2 mins ago, by In silico
I didn't learn squat.

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