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05:00
I'll try to pop the interface as soon as possible. What do you need before activating besides the rendering interface?
well, arguably, I could really use the gui.. and os.. and networking.. and sound interfaces.. and a few others
but I can get started when any of them are done, reallyh
I could do all of them, but that would take a shitload of time. We'll really need to pull our crap together sometime next week.
well, if anyone is having any problems, I can help them
but nobody has asked for assistance
We really need to move past the damn definition of calling Kyro's main through platform specific boilerplate which is practically valid psuedocode for now.
What do we have, a few lambdas running around when I last checked?
eh
the Mac guy asked for it
most of the lambdas are fine, they're just callbacks to receive events
but as far as I'm concerned, we shouldn't need that much twiddling with main() so I'm not that bothered
05:09
It's fine, really. But we need more stuff. Everything seems acceptable for now.
But it's just simple stuff.
agree
which is why I sent out that email
to get past "simple stuff" we need a (basic) functioning renderer, UI, and simulation
I'll fill out the first order. If there are no volunteers, I'll take out UI as well afterwards. But people need to chip in on the simulation, way too much time do it by one man alone.
we got several people working on the various necessary UI components
and I intend on assigning (insofar as assigning shit works) plenty of people to the simulation
but we only need a really basic one
can rip the code from my previous codebase to get started
05:49
@DeadMG Are you still awake? =)
I am indeed
You should be sleeping at this hour
nah
I still have many hours to go if I want to wake up later
How is the Wide project going?
Are you using LLVM as the backend?
Wide is a spec, there are no rules where it goes. :P
06:01
Well he's doing some implementation right ?
@ManofOneWay Going to, yes, there's basically no other choice.
@ManofOneWay It's going somewhere. Check out www.wide-language.com if you're le curious
You can write the backend yourself ;)
lol, yeah, right
I'll totally achieve decent performance and reliability that way
06:08
Well, you can achieve decent performance and reliability, the only problem is when :P Somewhere around 2015./2016. if you choose that path. :D
lol
the main problem I have with LLVM is, relatively simply, that the Windows support sucks :P
also it does not come with a linker (wtf)
Well, it's Apple's baby project.
And Apple's systems draw more lines of family with Linux than with Windows. :D
eh
fuck Apple
@DeadMG Time to switch from Windows then !
@ManofOneWay Lol, not a chance.
06:10
Windows feels the best for me.
I'd be going from "No decent dev tools except Visual Studio" to "No decent anything".
With all of its problems, I wouldn't trade Windows for anything.
agreed
sometimes it kinda depresses me how little high-quality libs are out there
I mean, ICU is a giant pile of suck, LLVM is only half-useful at best, etc
LLVM is an uplifted student project.
and it disappoints me that it had to be that
06:16
It's great to have dreamy ideas, but make dreamy implementations of those ideas.
I mean, everyone needs native code generation
How does the LLVM instruction format look like? I guess it's using some kind of virtual registers and three-operand code?
Where some of the instructions are block_begin and block_end instructions?
dunno
I just call the API
been a while so I don't really remember the format
Can you decide which optimizations LLVM should be doing?
And what register allocation algorithm it should be using etc. ?
dunno about reg alloc, but you certainly can choose the optimizations and their passes
06:36
I think I'm going to turn my SIL to SCL, just for fun.
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Q: Game Engine Runtime Decompression

David CI have been trying to find out how game engines deal with asset compression. Obviously they compress all the assets when building the game. But how do they decompress them during runtime. The only thing I could think of was decompressing into memory, but that must be very memory intensive. If the...

Hah.
@DomagojPandža Your SIL to SCL. I don't even
Remember Silly Interpreted Language? Instead of sitting on my VM, I'm thinking about pushing it down to native level, just for fun. Therefore, Silly Compiled Language will be born.
@DomagojPandža Doesn't make much more sense now.
@DomagojPandža Don't really remember SIL.
06:51
I woke up one day. Got an idea to design and implement a fairly cute interpreted language. And so, SIL was born. Now, I'm thinking about removing the need for an installed VM for SIL code to run and make a compiler able of conjuring an executable.
well, I warn you
Probably too lazy to start working on it today, but soon™. Need to work on Kyrostat's web platform and the rendering interface.
it's easy to get LLVM to spit out IR, but irritating as hell to get it to spit out an executable
sorry if you have read already
Oh, no LLVM. It's just a silly little experiment. I like irritating, difficult and time-eating stuff when experiments are concerned. :D
06:56
@user917279 You should feel sorry! Btw, why do you send me this link?
@user917279 What about it?
Why user#? Dude, get a name. :D
it says C++ is better than Java, this is in continuum to the question that I asked yesterday that goes on like " Is it a crime to hate Java ...."
I am not stalking anyone . I am sorry if thought so.
@user917279 Sure, but we already knew that :P
Erm. Are you frequently accused of stalking or something?
06:59
Domagoj, user917279 gives me a sense of anonymity which gives me the security of not appearing stupid when asking very basic questions in a room of experts.
no , but girls always have a feeling like that ( not with me though. ) when a guy talks to them
@DomagojPandža it's not even prime :)
@user917279 You are not making much sense man :p
StackedCrooked is a girly girl. :Đ
Yeah, with pony tails and shit.
see I thought so. DeadMG asked me "what is in this"
but StackedCrooked says - "Why do you send this link to me"?
that shows that.
I am sorry, for all this.
07:01
Woot. So now we know what we all said.
@user917279 Q: Why do you send this link to me? A: I'm not a stalker.
Ok, I guess..
He probably also knows DeadMG's real name.
Oh, wait, I do.
We even know his 5-year old face.
Iterators suck when dealing with C apis that use pointers
@Pubby Do they?
07:03
P0int000rz
do you remember Linus's rants against C++ , and why did he use C to write GIT than C++
?
@StackedCrooked Yeah, especially when you need to do reinterpret_cast on the pointers x_x
One "advantage" that C has, in the context of a large project like Linux that relies on user-contributions, is that the program flow is guaranteed to be simple. In C++ with conversion operators and destructors and all there can lot of invisible code being executed.
So when you are reviewing in function in C the code you see is the code that will be executed. This is not always the case in C++.
Heh, you're probably all eye-rolling now because I'm stating something obvious :p
Moar us0rz incoming!
It's a whole infestation of them!
07:13
@StackedCrooked Seven.
With image editing software we can produce an image of how you look right now.
not very happy that gmail and paypal gave out my real name and face
Now we can make fun of you.
@DeadMG, I dont know your real name yet .
good
nobody here should
07:15
@user917279 I thought you weren't a stalker?
if that would help
yes I am , this shows it isnt it?
@DeadMG Except the people here who love you <3
That yet part is kind of disturbing :p
I am not interested in knowing any of the experts real name here.
You just want them in a dark alley, right?
The less you know about the victim, the better?
07:16
man, why do I need to go through this with girls all the time, I thought I came here to learn C++ . God , are you listening?
lol domagoj
@user917279 None of us are girls.
@user917279 Don't care about their name, as long as their flesh tastes sweet?
Except sehe.
they're just taking the piss out of you because you (for some reason) brought it up.
atlast I can hear someone who appears to be sane here :P
07:18
@user917279 friend. You're being confusing. Also, this is your second gratuitous reference to "girls". For all we know, you might be a girl and that's fine. Now stop the discriminatory language - it isn't funny..
@StackedCrooked , I dont eat flesh .
sure sehe. no worries, I am already back to C++ now, and I request all ( without discrimination ) to allow me to stay there. I am not a girl btw, nor a transgender.
I am sorry for the trouble.
Great, now you scared him.
@Cicada The reason for its slowness was more likely bad design? Or did the GPU really deliver such a big advantage?
@StackedCrooked GPUs can deliver even bigger advantages, if you have the right kind of problem
@DeadMG Like gaming :p
07:24
the graphics side of it, at least
What is vectorization actually? Is it building a large pipeline with no branches, or something?
in terms of GPU or CPU?
they have somewhat different details
morning folk
what time is it, am I late for work? The puppy is about
07:26
well, the first pre-requisite is relatively large data set- in the thousands, at least
@thecoshman You can see the time at the right hand side of the messages.
then each branch should occur equally for all data- for example, if you branch on a CPU input in a shader
plus, of course, you apply the same shader to all data
@StackedCrooked can a man not make a joke?!
@thecoshman Ah, I didn't notice that it was a joke.
07:30
@StackedCrooked you see, on account of it being the morning and dead not normally getting on until the afternoon
Vectorization, in parallel computing, is a special case of parallelization, in which software programs that by default perform one operation at a time on a single thread are modified to perform multiple operations simultaneously. Vectorization is the more limited process of converting a computer program from a scalar implementation, which processes a single pair of operands at a time, to a vector implementation which processes one operation on multiple pairs of operands at once. The term comes from the convention of putting operands into vectors or arrays. Vector processing is a major f...
but that's more SIMD SSE CPU style
you fucked up that link :P
Links that end with closing parentheses are kind of problematic on this site.
Vectorization, on the GPU side, is higly parallelized, therefore - that's the closest. You basically execute a nice tidy bit of code on each of the cores, usually driven in pairs of thread groups and each of those riding on a wave (AMDATI) or a warp (Nvidia, CUDA)
:4319092 clearly the person who had just posted a link ¬_¬
07:32
or you could simply consider a GPU program to be the same thing, just on a much larger scale and a couple extra implementation details
@thecoshman really chat.stackoverflow.com/messages/4319075/history - so one moment you complain that you can't even make a joke, and the other you get arbitrarily stuck up.
And wavefronts and warps relate 2:1, 64/32 - you want multiples of that, therefore, if you're going "globally" - take 64 as a baseline.
It isn't nice to say 'you fucked up'. Not even the puppy likes it. Unless it's fair
@thecoshman Well, arguably, I didn't fuck up the link at all. The chat processed it incorrectly.
@sehe I called it liked I seed it, now I sees it it was indeed chat that fucked up and not the puppy
sorry puppy!
07:36
so you should be
a master of all things like myself would never make such an elementary mistake
don't go acting all upset :P
I don't always go listen to pop songs, but when I do it's because I just heard a parody of it
god damn... why do songs have to be able to feel so appropriate to you your situation...
Confirmation bias.
Hi.
@sehe Unless perhaps when referring to entering a relation where the other partner is of high social standing.
I also have serious mental alias going on, when ever I try to think of the band "Misfits" I can't stop my self from substituting it with "Blitzkid"
@ScottW Not necessarily yucky, is it?
07:43
@RMartinhoFernandes is that in response to me?
@thecoshman Yep.
@RMartinhoFernandes what do you mean by it?
I am not aware of more than one meaning.
It's amazing how controversial C++ is. The proponent and hater camps seem to be of roughly equal size. I guess this makes the topic of C++ very prone to confirmation bias.
I'm saying songs always feel so appropriate to your situation because of confirmation bias.
You subconsciously select only the data points that confirm your theory and conveniently ignore all the songs that don't fell appropriate at all.
07:47
@ScottW Houston, we have a problem..
@RMartinhoFernandes oh I see. well, maybe, but it was the first song I put on today, just felt very fitting
Quantum mechanics wins.
@DomagojPandža and looses
@ScottW Somehow that sounds cool :p
07:51
@ScottW ¬_¬ how...?
I guess a room can be considered a space.
lol
Mr Savage is back on form :D
@RMartinhoFernandes You just have to go to the place where the sea meets the sky at the horizon.
@StackedCrooked Then it's fun, not nice :)
@StackedCrooked The C++ proponent and hater camps are of roughly the same size, because they are roughly the same group of people
07:56
Hah, that feeling when you have 990 rep on SO, it feels like the day before your 18th birthday.
I mean if you look at most online discussions about C++ then there are about as many anti-C++ as pro-C++ posts.
We all know anti-C++ posts are written by tree-huggin' fake and zoosexual rednecks.
When talking about the strengths/weakness of a language, can you take standard libraries as part of the language? For instance, raw pointers are an error prone solution, sure they are powerful, but are so easy to cock up. Smart pointers however, take away so much of the problem with raw pointers
C++ lives and breathes the standard library. Without it, C++ isn't much more than bloated C.
@thecoshman Yes.
if it's defined in the Standard document for a language, then it is part of that language.
08:00
It brings the style, functionality, heart, future and recommended approaches for future development of your own libraries which will breathe with fresh C++ love.
It's a template (no pun intended, bitches) for your libraries. And the libraries of your children.
@ScottW Yeah, I got that point. I guess I'm out of place here for being a C++ fan without also being a C++ hater.
It is a template for a world free of C, PHP, JavaScript and naked pointorz. A world where everyone can live free, on the stack and get killed when he tries to leave scope.
A world where everybody knows his place.
Wait, that world sucks.
Sucking Worlds.
Not sure if bad or good
@sehe Does a black hole qualify as a sucking world?
Wait, all planets have gravity, so they all suck.
@StackedCrooked no, as a black hole is star of sorts
08:05
@ScottW proven by science! :P
Them pointorz, livin' on the stack, dying and leaving their shit lyin' around. Also, I wan' some bacon. Mary, get back in the trailer and fry some, will ya, bun? And get my shotgun, them C programmers gonna pay.
Gravity is really weird. It's seems to be purely defined by math. If two donuts are 1000 km apart from each other they still pull towards each other, as defined by the math formula.
yeah... I need to get me a cutlass
@StackedCrooked :O proof of god, no?
@StackedCrooked You trollin' or? :Đ
@DomagojPandža No, just a whoah dude moment.
08:09
They do interact, but not really obvious because of the order of magnitude.
and it is not defined by maths, it's just that we are able to describe it very well by maths
and 1000km is a stupid unit, it's 1Mm :D
I'm neither a physicist nor a mathematician so spare me the pedantic stuff :p
@StackedCrooked ¬_¬ you do realise this is Lounge<C++> right?
@thecoshman Yes. But I like to not be like everyone else. I'm special.
The only place on the internet where people are pedantic about being pedantic
08:11
@StackedCrooked Gravity is most assuredly a fairly giant pile of WTF.
Sup everyone(corrected :D)
To all onres: Sup!
Taken the numerical scale of the gravitational constant, the scale of the inverse square in more generic SI units of meters, 1e6 meters, scale that by a square, that's 1e12 (let's pretend we've already accounted by dimensional analysis that m^2 goes away because of the constant's define) and the laughable masses of the two objects - blam, bitches - small.
@DomagojPandža But non-zero.
But non-zero, yes.
08:15
Anyone know where I can find a solution to the exercises of the Accelerated C++ book?
Basically, anything that moves more than a planck length in a planck unit of time is safe.
I've always liked the idea of moving enough water into space that it forms a planet just large enough to have boiling hot ice at it's core
@DomagojPandža So in other words, faster than the speed of light.
What is wild to think about for me is the fact that when you throw an object into the air, the path it takes on is not elliptical, though almost
Or rather, it is elliptical, not parabola-shaped
The object would take on the path of orbiting the center of the earth if it could
@KodeSeeker google
08:16
I plan to make a water planet and move to it. And there will be no access to SO from there.
you know
the speed of light really fascinates me
@DeadMG yes
@DomagojPandža Why is water relevant?
why should it be a limit?
@thecoshman Tried and not really helpful.
08:17
@KodeSeeker try harder
@Neil Easier to make a planet with water.
@thecoshman tried, no one's gone beyond chapter 4. :\
@DeadMG That is interesting isn't it. Why is there a planck measurement?
@DomagojPandža Relatively easy. Though I think you'd have a hard time finding all that water
@Neil That's the lowest distance that can be measured without going in to non-deterministic land.
@Neil Uh, there is a planck measurement. C = 1 planck length in 1 planck time.
08:18
@DeadMG it's not that its a limit, as in some sort of physics police will pull over anything that attempts to move that fast, just that as it get's to C time starts to mess up. so to the observers, it's stop accelerating, but to particle, it is speeding up the word around it
Also, planck's era/time is the lowest amount of time that can be quantified. Anything below it goes into the land of non-deterministic. It is called era because that was the first 10^-43 s of the Universe.
In that interval, crazy shit happened.
You don't find that the least bit strange?
Why should it be that size? I mean it's easy to say that's the way it is, but that doesn't have to make it normal
@Neil oh sure, it's crazy shit
Because planck's length was defined in terms of planck's time and the speed of light, 299792458 m/s
and if the number seems strange, that's human
but ratios are dimensionless and hold true in the entire Universe.
Douglas Adams said it best I think:
>“The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”
08:22
Planck's length is basically the distance light crosses in ~10^-43 seconds which were defined by the SI system. Its actual length is always the same, our puny ways of describing that length depend on convention. But between conventions, ratios hold true.
Yup, it's perception. Normal is just average. What most people deem "acceptable".
The things they just "deal with".
Some people can't think out of the box.
You had Michelson who fought the speed of light and length contraction his entire life.
Even more people fail to see there is a box to think out of
Because he couldn't get his dick out of the soup and postulate relativity.
But he's absolutely right, there's nothing normal about our situation at all
What is normal?
Unless you mean normal in the trivial sense, defined by people in general
08:24
There's no such thing as normal. :Đ
Only the things you learn to deal with.
We run across the galaxy uniformally with over 100 000 km/h
If it were to stop, you'd be flying like a noob out of SO.
So that means we're, in a very small sense, moving at a % of the speed of light
All planetary systems vary in general speeds.
We don't even know what things would be like if we were moving at 0 km/h through space
Would it be the same or would we notice differences?
That means time passes differently, relative to each other.
You can't notice the difference. :Đ
That's the point of relativity.
Relativity is comparison.
You need to have a point of reference, to an outside system.
You can't feel time shifting speeds.
So you're saying if we were moving at 99% the speed of light, absolutely nothign would change?
Including the stars in the sky?
08:27
You can only compare by observing someone else.
Not sure if I believe that
Everything that is local to you is not changing. Everything that is not, is.
That's the point of relativity.
You can't feel it personally, others can see it on you. And so can you on them.
That includes the stars. :P
Well you would notice because you can observe others moving at 99% the speed of light
That's what I'm trying to say.
Everything local to you doesn't change. Everything that is not, does.
Well then you would notice
That's confusing
08:29
Actually, it makes perfect sense, you just have to give it time. :
Everything that shares your frame of reference doesn't change.
You can't feel the change.
I doubt I'll just get it later. We're not talking about a zen philosophy here or anything
But everything that moves relative to your reference frame, that you can "feel".
Everything comes from a few postulates. c is constant at 299 792 458 m/s. Laws of physics are indistinguishable between reference frames. You can't differentiate sitting from moving uniformally. And everything else, it's just a matter of conversion and comparison. One of the dead giveaways for the failure of galilei-newton relativity was that you could differentiate two reference frames by measuring differences in electric current.
And time dilation and length contractions are far from "hoaxes". Both were proven, length contraction early on was first analyzed by one Hendrik Antoon Lorentz, he was curious as why the interferometer of M&M didn't budge. He found amazing things mathematically on the topic electron nature, he postulated the Lorentz transformation but gave up there. He didn't care about the implications.
Einstein came to the same conclusions in 1905., but through a different path, he questioned the constancy of light and the repercussions it has on the notion of relativity.
Time dilation is really easy to see, if you can accept that c is constant for ALL observers. That means if you have a light clock, once it moves - the path it traces elongates. And because c is constant, the time difference between two reference frames must change.
And so it was, proven by countless atomic clock tests and satellites in orbit that need to be synced every once in a while.
The human mind is a beautiful thing. Can't believe it can produce shit like PHP.
This happened in my country, Croatia.
I apologize to the international community on behalf of my retarded countrymen.
Also, US, we have only 6 aircrafts, 4 of them are broken. Do invade.
08:45
Croatians are better soccer players. isnt it one of the things to be proud of ?
@DomagojPandža but you don't have any tear-eye-ists, or oil
damn
my landlord is coming tomorrow to carry out room inspections
@user917279 I don't see that as something positive, at all. I respect scientists. We don't have that here.
@DeadMG I never had any sort of inspection, other then when moving out
even worse, it's in the afternoon
I sleep in the afternoon these days
plus, of course, my room is a total wreck
it will take me hours to make it look presentable
hours when I should be sleeping :(
08:52
Hah, owned by the landlord.
At least you people don't use tractors across major cities to transport MiGs from 1959.
@DeadMG, rooms usually have this knack of challenging us to death , in cleaning them, but they can be won
Is there are way to use a default copy constructor to shallow copy in C#?
@Domagoj , Most of the times the MiGs we own , would crash somewhere and we keep hearing them as "BREAKING NEWS" .
@ManofOneWay ಠ_ಠ
@thecoshman ? =)
08:55
One of our MiGs broke to pieces by itself in the air over our capital, parts of it managed to severely injure some old god-fearing woman in a backwater village near the capital.
@ManofOneWay Lounge< C++ >
I'm doing a quick thing in C# at work, I thought someone in here knew, I know @sbi works in C# all days
fuck sake markdown, you making me look bad
but arnt shallow copies the norm for default constructors?
or does C# deep copy by default
I can just see it:
Woman: "Get back here you cheatin' bastard!"
Man: "I can do whatever the hell I want!"
*Plane wing decapitates man*
Entire village runs to church to pray.
Yeah, that's how it works.
08:57
@Domagoj, I remember we did such a thing with a helicopter ( chopper )
@user917279 Happened here as well, some ceremony in Vukovar, a bunch of stupid officials managed to all enter the same chopper that lifted off 100 m
and fell down, killing most of the mofos.
@DomagojPandža America is not much better. Have you ever seen Deliverance?
Also of Russian design.
@Neil The US is catastrophic when religion is concerned.
@Domagoj we are game, let us see who wins in this
@thecoshman No
Memberwise clone by default
08:59
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