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> Steps to reproduce

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Going for an annual teeth cleanup this afternoon @ dentist. Asked reception whether I should still attend because of flu, she told me that I should come as long as I am not coughing excessively ...
talking about high risk professions ...
 
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Reception is coughing too :(
With 1.5 flu I should be immune đŸ˜…
 
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@VioAriton The truly depressing part is, that Java could allow this perfectly easily. They built function overloading into the compiler, and used it for their own string class. But then they basically: "but you dirty peasants aren't allowed to do that", and prohibited other classes from using it.
 
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@TelKitty there is a reason why dentists where masks
and they'll sterilize the tools as a matter of course
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08:05
wtf is that new SO UI
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The long announced team integration thing which you can turn off in the settings.
@Ven you can turn off the sidebar in the settings
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@nwp where exactly?
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" Hide left navigation" on ratchet freak's link.
under site settings-> preferences->navigation
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08:12
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@ratchetfreak they suppose to thoroughly sterilize the tools, and I believe they do try, but how thorough is another matter
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@TelKitty Do you have any insight into that at all?
Not at the moment, I am dizzy from flu (medicine) and bled from teeth wash. My brain is not in its right place ...
08:35
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Q: Auto Thread resume c++

darkdemoi build Simple Anticheat module for a game and i need protect the Thread's from a Suspend (Like Suspend Thread from Processhacker). Is there any way to automatically resume the thread if is suspended? Here is my module code: #include "stdafx.h" #include "Start.h" void Msg_Sf_Br(){ Messa...

^ Interesting question, I guess you could use a watchdog and poll the thread's status?
@TelKitty Any reasonable system would include several sets of tools and having them sterilized in bulk.
The drills would be wiped down with a anti-bacterial wipe
09:05
@ratchetfreak thanks
it took less than 30s to go full "uuugh"
Yay, a new better sorting network is available
09:45
I should use Howard's for_each_permutation to improve the speed of my bruteforce validation of sorting networks
takes 2^n tests to do brute force validation of sorting networks
every combinations of elements of 0 and 1
10:02
That's what I'm already doing
But std::next_permutation needs to find what it needs to swap everytime while for_each_permutation saves a bit a state which makes finding the next values to swap easier :p
saving an O(n) operation per iteration
Which is already cool enough
you could also just count...
Count? I need to check that each sorted permutation is actually sorted
start with an array of 0, sort, then next iteration do a bignum add 1 to the unsorted array, sort and repeat
10:31
oh, for sorting networks you need to check every permutation of possible 0-1 arrays, so what you call "sort" would be "sort every permutation", but otherwise that's pretty much what I'm doing
10:44
I'm talking about sorting 000, 0001, 0010, 0011, 0100, 0101, 0110, 0111, 1000, etc. though that does end up adding an O(n) operation each iteration to find where the carry stops
gray code will reduce the amount of memory writes but finding the bit to flip would also be O(n) I think
11:08
@Mikhail Queue a User APC
11:31
@Mysticial I think intel is trolling us
@ratchetfreak Actually operator++ on Gray codes can be done in O(1)
I should have thought of that I've got Gray codes library >.>
From my old notes it seems that isolating the bit to flip can be done in O(1), but we still need to use a log2 operation to find the position of the bit
std::numeric_limits<unsigned>::digits - __builtin_clz(n) - 1u to the rescue /o/
Which apparently translates to a single bsr instruction, nice
your welcome :)
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gcc a passé le bsr
wat
Interestingly enough GCC sometimes uses bsr while Clang always uses lzcnt
12:01
@Mgetz Ive been waiting for Intel to join the discrete GPU battle since Larrabee (sp?)
still, wtf on the 3 yr old link
@Borgleader I still think it's trolling, Intel has NEVER taking discrete seriously
@ratchetfreak I don't believe it
maybe because discrete chips are getting more and more market share so they have to branch out of the central processor market, especially as AMD is starting to come back
12:17
@ratchetfreak Honestly I don't think they are concerned with AMD, but with Nvidia which is eating their lunch in HPC
their little 28core overclocked to 5GHz stunt seems to indicate otherwise
@ratchetfreak it indicated to me that intel is scared but not panicking yet
"I dont think they are concerned with AMD"
"scared but not panicking"
contradiction much?
12:36
@Borgleader Intels bread and butter is Server and LE-Desktop
HED is bragging rights but not really a concern for them
well LE period...
AMD making inroads in desktops is kinda eh for them
AMD making inroads in server is a concern however
I'm a total beginner in C++ From what I can see in your question, what little you learned is C not C++. — Borgleader 8 secs ago
Personally I think Intel should be scared, AMD is giving the cloud providers what they've been asking for for years.. massive numbers of cores with massive memory bandwidth
particularly with AMD showing they are willing to just slap another die on the substrate and call it good because they can scale
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@Borgleader C'est plus plus.
No[r]way
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> I’m sometimes present in the C++ lounge chat room here on Stack Overflow.

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Q: injection de dépendances avec .net core

OtakuSanBonjour. Bon, voilà un projet sur lequel je bosse depuis hier. c'est un projet d'essai, rien de sérieux (enfin pour le moment). J'aimerai que mon projet ExceptionManager puisse acceder à LocalizationManager via DependencyInjection. J'aimerai aussi que mon projet LocalizationManager puisse acc...

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13:01
@Borgleader that question tho, lmao
> OtakuSan
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:berk:
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13:19
I'm failing to open a path from an email. And I'm blaming the windows explorer.
The email inserted a newline in there. When I copy the path with the newline the path cuts off at the newline, so that's not useful.
When I try to copy the second half windows explorer decides that since it lost focus it must not have been important and deletes the first half of the path.
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That behavior is so incredibly annoying. I don't understand who ever thought of this shit.
In Outlook Web, the attached document feature is broken, beat that
@Morwenn I have to use Lotus Notes mic drops
@Mgetz I've no idea what it is ^^'
IBM Notes (formerly Lotus Notes; see branding, below) and IBM Domino (formerly Lotus Domino) are the client and server, respectively, of a collaborative client-server software platform sold by IBM. IBM Notes provides business collaboration functions, such as email, calendars, to-do lists, contacts management, teamrooms, discussion forums, file sharing, microblogging, instant messaging, blogs, and user directories. IBM Notes can also be used with other IBM Domino applications and databases. IBM Notes 9 Social Edition removed integration with the office software package IBM Lotus Symphony, which...
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oh IBM stuff
they often have homemade solutions for which free solutions exist and are better
 
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@Mgetz haha
@Mysticial am I wrong? The fact of the matter is this would require something intel doesn't have and doesn't want, and Larabee/KL/KC isn't going to cut it currently
@Mgetz Intel still has the better architecture and process. But they're getting killed by their own product segmentation and probably their monolithic die design.
If Intel wants to keep AMD from stealing the server market, they just need to drop their prices by about 2-3x.
@Mysticial but I don't think they have any idea of where to start on an actual GPU. They've been hobbling along with irix pro but that's garbage
@Mysticial They'd get sued by shareholders
@Mgetz they've had a integrated gpu for ages
@Mgetz Or perhaps they can't drop their prices by 2x because they don't have the yields to do it - in which case they should break from the monolithic design.
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granted not much of a baseline to start with but they wouldn't have kept that at 2010 design for all this time
@ratchetfreak you seem to have missed the part where it's unscalable garbage
@Mgetz The shareholders should then dump all their Intel stock - all at the same time. :)
@Mysticial In that case they are ripe for major disruption if someone else can produce yields much higher
@Mgetz Which is what I suspect we're already seeing. AMD (probably) has much higher yields because they have smaller dies.
@Mysticial not just smaller dies, they have a fabric that makes it so they don't suffer a penalty for doing so. I have a sneaky suspicion we may see 128core procs from AMD
technically it'll probably be multiple dies on the same substrate but same dif
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@Mgetz I'm not entirely sure about the performance of the fabric. I'd need to see some real HPC benchmarks that actually need to cross it before I'm convinced.
@Mysticial is it as good as a single die, probably not. Is it better than paying for what intel is charging for similar performance... probably
@Mgetz The monolithic die approach is still livable - if you accept that you're never gonna have all the cores working. IOW, the parts with all cores working will be priced exponentially higher than the parts with maybe half the cores working. I haven't looked at the Xeon prices to see if that's the case right now.
@Mysticial I wouldn't be surprised if that 28 core part is a 32 core die
IOW, if Intel wants to stay competitive with monolithic dies (assuming that's the bottleneck right now), they need to make even bigger dies (128 cores) such that half of them work. Then they'll stay head-and-head with AMD's 64-core SKUs.
@Mgetz The 28-core is a 5 x 6 grid with 2 tiles occupied by memory controllers. So everything is working.
@Mysticial I find this amusing since the cloud providers have been asking for massive core count CPUs for ages. I suspect Intel doesn't know what's about to hit them
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@Mgetz Also, dropping prices 2/3x to stay competitive with the competition is unavoidable if the competition is able to produce a competitive product for 2-3x lower price. So the shareholders can't do much about that other than to dump their stock.
IOW, assuming Intel is gorging the market because they can, that'll end now that there's a competitor.
@Mysticial I'm expecting Intel to sue AMD, they don't like actually competing
 
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@Mysticial looks like your hunches about FP SPECTRE issues was founded marc.info/?l=openbsd-cvs&m=152818076013158&w=2
https://stackoverflow.com/a/50843557/583833
dat answer
@Mysticial Didnt they hire a genius for that recently? (The same genius that solved that problem for AMD, i.e. the infinity matrix wtv thing)
 
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If only half the cores work, your fabrication process ain't that good. Which is exactly what investors are worried about. Intel might have lost their edge.
A more amusing interpretation is that Intel never really had an edge for many years and it was marketing hype because the idea that Intel had an edge was founded on a die shrink that has yet to happen.
 
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@Mikhail I have a vague recollection that actually performing the fabrication is really cheap, just a few dollars for each CPU, so fabrication inefficiencies don't matter that much, it's almost all R&D and factory infrastructure costs
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@Mgetz Kinda. The only one I came up with was the AVX Spectre.
@Borgleader I'm curious at what Jim Keller will do at Intel. AMD needed a new architecture badly. Intel's architecture right now is already pretty good. It's just the manufacturing that sucks.
Has anyone tried out web assembly here?
maybe AMD's is so good because they have enough redundancies in the design?
@ratchetfreak What redundancies?
designs that avoid cores needing to be disabled or something like that
@ratchetfreak That would be increasing your yields.
Or do you mean redundant circuitry so that a defect doesn't mean turning off the entire core?
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yeah
I'm not sure that's any better than just turning off cores.
Defects can be anywhere. What if there's a defect in an execution unit? Do you duplicate the execution unit?
it's about making sure that defects have an as low as possible chance of killing the core
if you already have several copies of an execution unit you could add one more as a backup for example
though I'm not sure how the connecting wiring would work out
@ratchetfreak That's exactly what I'd expect to get in the way.
hm
testing each unit and then making the correct controller access them properly would be the big challenge
Probabilistically speaking, redundancy at such a low level is only useful if you have an extremely high rate of defects.
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or have a component with a high defect rate
and you have redundancy for just that component
When the defect rate is low enough, you're better off not wasting any extra silicon to deal with it at a low level and just turn off the entire core if and when it does happen. Since you've saved on area, you can put more cores in to compensate.
and you can sell the lucky dies with more functioning cores at a premium
@ratchetfreak Right now, the price premium for 22 -> 28 cores is $3655 -> $10000.
So that could be an accurate reflection of the yields.
Dies with all 28 cores working are so rare that they are being priced that high to keep the demand in-line with the supply relative to the lower-end chips.
 
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@Borgleader
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Q: Are you allowed to ask stupid questions like this?

bobAlso, what is the definition of a question?


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