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@DomagojPandža Don't ask me. I'm working
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@DeadMG Yeah, but with this only being placed in one country, plus a few fringe ones, what difference does that make?
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Q: Inputting and Outputting Multidimensional Vectors w/ Binary [C++]

JungleI'm trying to create a simple class for maps in my game. Maps are 2 dimensional vectors made of "tile" structs. I'm trying to figure out the best way to input/output these tiles in rows. For example, I used to use a .txt based loading format. The .txt file would look like this: 1 0 2 0 0 0 2 4 ...

@sbi being amongst them does not make them one of them
@danuker When cooking, no. The first time I got it, yeah, I tried something like that.
I'm in a country with very low dairy standards, though.
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@DeadMG If you know nothing about football, why don't you just keep your moth shut?
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@Potatoswatter why didn't it work?
@DomagojPandža You know you can link to comments, these days, don't you?
@Dani -- Not strictly true. The C standard is included in the C++ standard, so technically fread() and fwrite() are C++. However I certainly agree with you that stream-based i/o is considered to be much better style. — Michael J yesterday
DID SOMEONE SAY MOTH
:)
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@Cicada Yeah, someone did. (Calm down, I'm now doing it intentionally.)
@danuker Because the powdering of milk is lossy compression.
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I don't like when people introduce such things to people who are trying to do proper C++. We're trying to move away from C, just because it is partly backward supported as a part of the standard, it's backward compatibility. Just like the Playstation 3 can run Playstation 2 games, it doesn't mean developers should write Playstation 2 games to run on the Playstation 3. Quite the contrary.
@sbi I know! (The contrary would be disturbing)
@Potatoswatter Makes me wondering about the powdering of noses
And DeadMG saves the day! <3
am i a moth?
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Ha. An upvote reminded me of this silly comment thread:
@me_and Oh. Can you tell I'm not a lawyer :) — sehe Feb 15 at 15:38
Do you like wool?
nah, it's all itchy and stuff
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@danuker Also, there's little left of actual milk except the white color. There's only two thing powdered milk is good for: Earning lots of money off African mothers, and when you're hiking hard-core (where warm cereals with powdered milk comes in handy in reducing the weight).
@Cicada I think it's fascinating how you can sort that result set by 'relevance'
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@Cicada To think that I should have quoted Nick Cave on the moth issue only once!
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@sbi I am currently in a dorm room with cereals, but no fridge
I guess I did the right thing (tm)
Hah, he wrote a thank you note as an answer.
Cicada to the rescue.
Always.
My house is full of guests and I'm working. On a sunday.
I spend more time giving answers as comment instead of real answers. What a rep waste.
I suck at being a host.
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How is that an answer??
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A: c function to return formatted string

bmarguliesThere is no such function in the standard library and there will never be one in the standard library. If you want one, you can write it yourself. Here's what you need to think about: Who is going to allocate the storage for the returned string, and who is going to free it? Is it going to be thre...

Owners' idiot kid is lurking around and annoying me.
@DomagojPandža That is strange indeed. Is it your birthday as well?
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Well, for 70mins, either of the two could have made a goal at almost any time. I rarely ever watch football, but when I do, I am hoping for matches like this one.
@CatPlusPlus Hammer time.
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@CatPlusPlus Looks around. None of the owners seem to have brought a kid to the lounge.
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@CatPlusPlus Mine are asleep. So unless you mean snurking around
@sehe It's some holiday in my town. Related to religion or something, but it's more of a time to celebrate and relax. Anyways, I made my girlfriend to tend to them, I have to finish some work. Going to get my ass kicked later tonight, but if I get some work done - worth it.
I need to get the keys to new flat ASAP, and get away from people with kids.
@DomagojPandža Getting you ass kicked, depending on your taste, also worth it
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@CatPlusPlus You're wrong here.
@sehe Ahahahah :D
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No. I want to be as far from kids as possible.
@CatPlusPlus Good choice!
@CatPlusPlus There are space travel programs these days
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@CatPlusPlus You're wrong here.
@sbi Nope.
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@CatPlusPlus Yep.
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Highlevel discourse. Behold and admire
Kids are annoying.
@CatPlusPlus So are you adults
Male kids in particular, running around the house and yelling quotes from some action cartoon.
Yes, but you can tell them to fuck off and they won't cry.
@CatPlusPlus You don't pay attention enough in this room
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John Smith cried. Like a man.
@DomagojPandža Among others.
On a more bright note, I rewrote my Brainfuck parser with Parsec.
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@DomagojPandža Actually, that is mostly (some kids are different, so this qualification is needed) the fault of the parents, so you could argue that the parents are annoying.
@CatPlusPlus yeah, because, for a non-trivial grammar, you really need a lexing/parsing framework
Well, it's less clunky.
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@sehe Parsec is awesome, but if it's an experiment - it's well worth it doing on your own.
Experience is gold.
Sharing is caring
Shit is brown
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That's a lie, everyone knows it's blood red 24/7.
wat
Cicada is beautiful. Also, bacon.
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@DomagojPandža Didn't you notice your girlfriend looking over your shoulder?
Five more mins Whoever scores now will have to face Germany next week. Or none of the two does, and we'll have some additional time.
@sbi Well, she'll have a hard time proving she's a female. Or a man. Or an alien. Or a slice of bacon.
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@DomagojPandža Why would she have to prove anything? She's female, so some scowling is all that's needed to knock you out.
Has anyone built clang from source recently?
Is it possible to build libc++ with GCC?
@sbi Unfortunately, that's very true. :D
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@KerrekSB What else would they build it from?
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@sbi With clang
I'm not able to compile libc++ with GCC. There are plenty of errors which may or may not relate to compiler trait support
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@KerrekSB "...build it from?"
Hm. I see. You're being clever :-)
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There was some discussion related to building clang here a few days/weeks ago, @Kerrek, but for all I remember, it could have been you, discussing this. Have you tried to search for it in the transcript?
@sehe You wrote 300 pages about the weather?!?
@ScottW I should've given it to me.
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folks
mortals, people, individuals, 'men, women, and children', (living) souls, citizenry, inhabitants, residents, populace, population, denizens.
Does anyone know what are the minimum requirements to make an executable file? (either ELF or PE)
Without dll imports, sections, anything
From a C++ perspective: int main(){}
But it's too minimal
Headers, but without code it's pretty useless.
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@StackedCrooked From an assembly perspective
And for code you need at least .text section.
.globl start
start:
I suck at assembly.
@ScottW YES
@RadekSlupik @ScottW MAYBE
@RadekSlupik The assembler doesn't produce a "minimal" executable for that
mov ax, 4c00h
int 21h
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Oh well what i'm asking for is pretty vague anyway. i'll try to figure this
There you go, only 5 bytes :)
@StackedCrooked OPTIONAL
@ScottW Mm. I want BLT now.
Man Haskell sucks.
It's like a vacuum cleaner?
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@RadekSlupik How can you say that?
You suck.
@FredOverflow With my keyboard.
Because you're a vacuum cleaner.
Haskell sucks your brain dry. That's probably what happened.
@RadekSlupik Use the online documentation instead.
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har har
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Q: Initial Bounty for Urgent Questions

qegalI was thinking about how one could set a bounty only after two days to give the community a chance to answer the question. But what if a question is urgent? Maybe there should be the option to set a bounty from the beginning of the question's lifetime. I looked around at other options for helping...

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Oded actually linked the definition of diametric opposite. Why not link every single word in his post?
@FredOverflow I don't want to be forced to use a specific paradigm.
It's just like Java.
@RadekSlupik Then switch to Perl.
Perl is awesome.
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Yeah, it's great for passwords.
Perl is executable passwords.
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Hmm…
You can write imperative code in Haskell.
Of course I can.
I can do that in Java too.
"But what if a question is urgent?" Put simply: we don't care. — Cat Plus Plus 8 mins ago
Oh, you evil person you.
@EtiennedeMartel No he was right for this one time. :p
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@EtiennedeMartel SO is boring, I should contribute more to meta. Mwahaha.
OP is evil. Stupid question.
Haskell is better than Java in every respect.
Except OOP.
You can do OOP, too, if you really want.
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Nobody does that, because there are better tools available.
guise
That doesn't mean Haskell is good at OOP.
Neither is Java.
Better than Haskell at least.
Not really, no.
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I can also cook beef on my car, but that's not what my car is good at.
The best at OO was Smalltalk.
We all know how that turned out.
Has some sugar syntax for it, but it's not really better.
@sbi No, but building clang is a separate issue (I don't appear to have enough memory to link it). I'm mainly interested in libc++; clang would just be a means to the end.
And really, who cares about OOP. Java is mostly about shoehorning functions into classes.
> shoehorning
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Would you like a link to the definition?
I can google that (and already am)
I'll take composable functional lenses over Java-style getters/setters any day.
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So they take 115mins of domination (Balotelli alone had more shots at the goal than the whole English team) to score a goal, and then it was offsite. OMG.
i only looked the last 10 mins but ITA seem so much better. they play really nice soccer there
I don't care about soccer at all.
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do american know about EC at all anyway
Finally, beer in my mouth.
oh
BTW what's this cup oracle
lol
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@EtiennedeMartel Drunken moth.
Sleepy. People making noises. I hate everything.
Here's someone with an unsigned negative 1...
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@sbi I'm already a drunkard.
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@FredOverflow I also used to not to care. Surprisingly this slowly changed over the last decade.
@CatPlusPlus I'm imagining ork-like grunt noises.
AHAHA penalties
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Shootout.
that one keeper seems to be good
but buffon is one of the worlds best one
lol
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keeper here
lol one of them is called HART
Oh, Microsoft product authentication holograms have a portrait of Ada Lovelace in filigrane :)
There's this play of words when a girl refers to her boyfriend as a "keeper".
what does it mean in the other sense
ah wait I think i know lol
He's a keeper. Means that he qualified her expectations.
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in a way, in germany when a girl says "torwart" to her boyfriend then it could mean something fun too lol
@StackedCrooked oh i just thought that it means something nasty lol
I don't even know the primary meaning of torwart .
@JohannesSchaublitb She wants to "keep" him.
"tor" means some big door. like if you have a castle, the thing you open when you enter. and "wart" means a guy standing there and letting people through/rejecting people
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@StackedCrooked The guy who goals the goal.
@ScottW Bouncer.
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Let's just hope that England wins
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Did I mention someone needs to explain the dimensions of the goal to those Italians?
they are used to wider goals
"I swear, it was THIS big"
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I heard somewhere that playing football is the only option for bad Italian actors.
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@JohannesSchaublitb :D
@EtiennedeMartel But good actors are better at faking injuries.
@RMartinhoFernandes Yeah, but good actors are too busy acting.
@EtiennedeMartel Oh trust me, many football players are too busy acting too.
You might have a point.
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Well, that was deserved.
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@EtiennedeMartel They have been a much better team in this match, though. They "only" failed to score a goal for 120+mins.
Well, now the Italians have had a really damn hard match, and two less days to regenerate than the Germans.
will be hard for german too
@Cicada Roger that
does the noun predecessor have an adjective form? predecessing doesn't seem to be word :P I don't know if "previous" has the same meaning really
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Oct 13 '11 at 9:23, by sbi
http://www.muppetlabs.com/~breadbox/rip-dmr.html RIP, DMR!
^ Site with some fame here
@Cicada Also, I remember seeing (perhaps even answering...) a question about exactly this on Stack Overflow
@FredOverflow Well, meteorology if you will
Also, why didn't I see any plinks here. Let me check for other replies
@DomagojPandža LOL
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@sehe That's because plinks are meant to be heard, not seen.
@sbi Works, unless you're actually ripping through all most of the chopin waltzes in 45 minutes
Now, back to work
@ScottW Thanks!
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> The moment of sadness when you realise you can no longer remember how to read the resistance from the coloured rings on resistors. #geekfailOrjan Westin
oh mehmet. he didn't want to hug the moderator lol
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@sbi happened to me before. long ago, actually. Good thing there's apps for everything these days
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@sehe Yeah, I posted it because I, too, forgot that art long ago.
@Cicada - you forgot to link to the definition of your username. Fixed that for you. — Oded 1 hour ago
@Cicada also note, that, for anyone into snooker, your rep on meta-SO is highly enviable

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