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16:00
@rubenvb That guy often makes mistakes in his answers, gets a thousand up votes and then somebody comments saying that it's wrong and he edits his answer.
@CatPlusPlus yeah, and a static function local in the constructor is "hard o get right"...
@RMartinhoFernandes Oh. Nice. I might visit my bank. But, today, I have spent waaaaaaayyyyy to much time searching for warranty periods, replacement parts and what not. I decided to live dangerously and just used my CC with the crappy SSL connection of hp.com
At least that happened on about every answer I have seen from him.
@rubenvb Oh god, why didn't you warn?
@RadekSlupik Yeah, I think the fault is on the upvoters not him.
@rubenvb This question's bad, the answers're bad and they all should feel bad.
16:01
Oh Windows is almost done downloading. :)
@RMartinhoFernandes I didn't say it's his fault.
@RadekSlupik Impending doom
40k is really a lot for not knowing about ... stuff.
@RadekSlupik Huh. use linux/macos
@rubenvb You're exaggerating.
16:02
@sehe lolololololol
@rubenvb Well, he does quote the Standard quite often.
He makes mistakes. So what? He admits that and learns when it's pointed to him.
@sehe Does Mono support Metro? I need this working on Windows.
@RadekSlupik It does not
@RadekSlupik So.... C# Metro
16:02
So I need Windows. :)
What do you need Metro for?
Metro is not CLI.
Well, I need C# and Metro. :p
Or can't I do that?
There's no reason it would be in Mono.
I find it very hard to find a reason to care about Metro.
16:03
But I can use it with C# and .NET right? Or am I screwed?
@RadekSlupik Metro is not .NET. It's a weird in-between universe thingy.
Well, SO rep has just lost its value in my eyes.
But yeah, you can use C# with it.
@rubenvb Only just? ROFL
@rubenvb Just now? Lol.
16:04
LOL
@RMartinhoFernandes Ok, cool. :)
You guys are still cool though. Cause you're smart and ... stuff.
@rubenvb What others said. ROFL.
Downvotes need more influence
@RMartinhoFernandes You're late to the party.
16:04
and edits should reset votes.
@CatPlusPlus I don't care. I'm not the one being laughed at.
@rubenvb So I can't fix my typos?
Or 10k+ people should be able to vote to reset votes made before edits.
SO is a MMO, and rep is grind.
why can't we downvote twice in exchange for extra rep?
@rubenvb no way. No one would ever improve posts anymore. And 'hostile edits' would become very very intrusive
16:05
or multiple times
@rubenvb I''ll go edit your answers then :D
@rubenvb Slightly better.
It's a game, and it gets boring.
Even badges aren't fun after a while.
Trying to make rep meaningful won't work.
probably
I'm happy with 10k.
16:06
or maybe even upvote twice
I can do a lot. And piss off people and shit.
And get annoyed at chat flags, yeah.
Real benefits there.
The point it is rep is fun. Stack Overflow should be a game. That's what lures so many people into contributing. It's only the grease in the gears, nothing more. The contents are the real deal, the rep is just a (crucial) diversion of attention that fools people into thinking it is not work
It's like farming low level items after hitting a level cap.
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A: What Stack Overflow is Not

minitechStack Overflow is not a role-playing game Badges and reputation are nice, but they are just motivators. We are all here to help each other, and maybe gain a few reputation points in the process, but don't make that your only goal. Don't try to game the system with sockpuppets and other devices....

16:09
> Stack Overflow is not a role-playing game Badges and reputation are nice, but they are just motivators. We are all here to help each other, and maybe gain a few reputation points in the process, but don't make that your only goal.
Yeah, right.
That can't be right.
They ain't foolin' nobody.
There is ideology and implementation. No real contradiction there, only slight paradox, you know, the every day usual stuff. Ever watch politics? Advertising? Sports?
Also, fuck Qt deserialization.
16:10
And dat
@sehe No, to all.
I'm free!
@CatPlusPlus Irrelevant. You're not free, since you live in this world. I'm also not free. I never watch any of those (if I can avoid it) but I'll still have to deal with real world 'rationality' (LOL)
At least I recognize some of the workings
Realism FTW
@RMartinhoFernandes Isn't that the guy who wanted to become a mod just for the sake of the achievement?
@Potatoswatter Nah. That would be Genesis
@sehe Some protocols are actually pretty nice (driving comes to mind).
There can be more than one…
Robert?
Robert has been a mod for a long time, and I have no complaint against him.
Minitech. Like Genesis, a young teenager
16:14
@Potatoswatter Young teenager. Young. Teenager.
CW posts show the most frequent editor where OP should be.
@CatPlusPlus FuckIt.moreConflict() is great.
> My greatest dream is to become a Stack Overflow moderator.
Damn. I guess some people are not very ambitious.
16:15
@Potatoswatter Oh.
1) Is this a good idea?
Of course not. This is quite possibly the worst javascript plugin ever written.
2) Isn't "eval" evil?
See Question #1.
@ScarletAmaranth Just woke up. I know what to do now :)
That minitech guy's description is solid gold.
@StackedCrooked Go for it, it's gonna blow your socks off.
@Cicada I did think of that one some while ago. It doesn't actually pan out really nicely. E.g. in our street (a 30km zone), people are continuously overtaking other vehicles that actually adhere to the speed limit.
He lists HTML as a programming language. And English. And French.
16:17
I've had to explain to my six year old daughter that I don't adhere to the speed limit because I think all the overtaking maneuvers are actually more dangerous, and I'm willing to explain my reasoning to uncle Bob (the police officer).
@Cicada But the point I'm making is really, that the system _doesn't_ work because of the differences in vulnerability between types of traffic particpants (a pedestrian is no match to the arrogant automobilist).
Also, insurance happiness (lease cars, anyone?) take away a lot of the balance in the system
@EtiennedeMartel He was runner up in the election. He beat our man awoodland…
@sehe Once again, theory vs practice
@Cicada He's 14, so yeah, he's a young teenager.
@Potatoswatter Well, fuck.
Ahaheaahashaeaheh, he likes PHP more than Java.
@EtiennedeMartel And Latin.
16:19
My mind is currently blown.
@sehe I don't give a fuck about speed limits anywhere. I drive as fast as I think I can do safely.
@RMartinhoFernandes Didn't you abhor driving? Do you even have your license? I don't know exactly what I remember about this
He's a robot. With wheels.
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Oh how nice. Windows activation.
@sehe I have a license. I do abhor driving, but sometimes I can't avoid it.
16:21
@RMartinhoFernandes :)
@RMartinhoFernandes I had a roommate who drove like that. He came from India and was very impressed with the Interstates… took full advantage of the incredible flatness and straightness. You start to appreciate the v^2 term in centrifugal force.
@Potatoswatter I think the Robot uses a different evaluation predicate (w.r.t. 'as fast as safely possible')
Just to be clear, I'm quite afraid of speed, so I don't often break the speed limits.
@Potatoswatter Sounds like nice roads to me as well.
@CatPlusPlus He likes to reinvent his wheels from time to time, it seems.
16:23
:4242704 Perhaps the Robot has a more realistic assessment of that
@RMartinhoFernandes Me too. I shun the traffic. I avoid peak hours at 'any' cost. I favour commuting by train (unless, like with my current client, it doubles the commute time)
@sehe I'm just saying it's the same criteria as my friend.
@EtiennedeMartel Nah, he just modularized them recently?
@Potatoswatter I know. I'm just saying it doesn't mean it effectively yields similar driving :)
But here we don't have any zone with a 30 km/h limit.
Also, I have been guilty of speeding in my younger years. Kind of completely lost appetite for that
Unless there's road work being done.
16:25
No. Have you seen the roads in India? And in the Eastern US? Liable to drive anyone mad with power.
@RMartinhoFernandes Here we got 40 km/h limits in residential areas.
That's 50 here.
We have 50/90/120.
30/90/120 here, no 50/90/120 and 30 in some places, I'm not sure anymore..
40/70/90/100.
In my city effective average speed is around 5 due to traffic.
16:27
30/50/70/90/120 here
And road works all over the place all the time.
It's madness.
Oh, wait, there's some 100 zones too. Not too common, though.
and there's zones which don't mention the limit after every street, so you have to remember if you passed a enter or exit zone 30 sign.
Are you sure that's not mph?
Ok, I just saw the picture. It isn't.
16:29
@RMartinhoFernandes lol
We only have 110 on highways.
It was 10 mph before they switched to km/h. And then they just did a quick conversion.
LOL. Here there be potholes. And you can put a speed bump in front of your house without a permit.
@EtiennedeMartel Seriously, many car speedometers can't tell 10 km/h apart from 20 km/h.
Is it worth installing VS 2012 RC?
16:31
@RadekSlupik To develop for Metro? I'd think so.
I won't be using it for any C++, only C#.
@RMartinhoFernandes Ah ok. I'll try it.
This thing is 10GB. >.>
@RMartinhoFernandes Police here will tolerate up to 120 km/h on the highway, despite the fact that the limit is at 100 km/h.
@Potatoswatter Obligatory:
Here's there's 20% tolerance on any limit, I think.
16:32
Dammit Jerry. Onebox the image, not the XKCD link.
@RMartinhoFernandes Most radar guns have (at least) a 15% tolerance specification, so that's about the best they can hope for.
The 20% tolerance is established by law which is beyond silly. Why the heck don't they just set the limits at the current ones + 20%?
@RadekSlupik What? Of course not. Onebox the XKCD link, so you get the caption (tooltip) correctly
@JerryCoffin Oh gosh, that's incredibly inaccurate.
Hey it's my six legged comrade
Sup Jerry
16:33
@Cicada Hello.
@RMartinhoFernandes An magnetically actuated analogue speedo is possibly limited by the response to low amounts of current. Anything else should have no problems. (Assuming you put on the right wheels and tires.)
@sehe But it's ginormous!
@JerryCoffin So, basically, I can get a better measurement with my GPS navigator. Awesome.
@RMartinhoFernandes It is -- and (at least in my limited experience) maintenance on them is so poor, even that's probably ambitious.
@RadekSlupik Size doesn't matter
user784668
16:35
Quick question: is virtual ~some_class() = default; okay?
@Fanael Yes.
:4242784 Much better.
@RadekSlupik Must admit, the size was more reasonable
Still captions are often essential to XKCD comics
Oh awesome I can play Minesweeper now that I have Windows.
@RMartinhoFernandes Then they'd have to apply tolerance to current+20%!
16:36
Yay
@Fanael Yes, but to get an abstract base you need both = 0 and = default… which is also ok. (But not all on one line.)
@RMartinhoFernandes Almost certainly -- in fact, the one speeding ticket I've ever gotten, I had a logging GPS in the car at the time. Presented the judge with a multi-page printout showing my exact speed every 2 seconds from the time I left the house to the time I stopped for the ticket (and showed I hadn't been going even close to as fast as the cop claimed). Somehow was found not guilty.
@RadekSlupik "Dammit Jerry." Reminds me of that movie Fargo :p
@JerryCoffin That's something neat to remember. (Well I don't know if my jurisdiction behaves even remotely similar to that but still.)
Proof by GPS is not unheard of.
16:38
I know someone that got out of a speeding ticket because the car manufacturer attested the recorded speed was just impossible under the stated circumstances.
GPS works by taking the derivative of position. That's gonna be more reliable than any instantaneous measurement.
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@Potatoswatter To get an abstract base I need at least one pure virtual method, it may be something else than the destructor.
@Fanael This is true. But if it's important to make the class abstract for its own sake, you might as well do it with the destructor.
My cat is rubbing her mouth on the edges of my screen.
I have no fucking idea what that means.
16:39
@LucDanton Well, the laws here are heavily slanted against it. The cop can just say: "This is what the radar gun said", but doesn't have to explain anything beyond that. To use GPS as a counter argument, I had to be ready (and fortunately was) to explain all of how GPS works, down to the make and model of the atomic clocks on board the satellites, number of monitoring stations around the world, number of satellites in the WAAS system, etc.
@EtiennedeMartel She wants to be let out of the tube.
@JerryCoffin Just throw enough technobabble at them.
@JerryCoffin How long ago was that?
@LucDanton Ummm...about three years, I guess?
@JerryCoffin WAAS? Is that really salient?
Flying car?
16:41
Do you think the judge was otherwise bored by his or her job and wanted a nice presentation on GPS?
@RMartinhoFernandes Pretty much -- I went into full "Professor" mode (even though I've never been a professor) and kept going until the judge stopped me, saying, in essence, "Okay, you can stop now, you've already won."
@Potatoswatter It improves accuracy for ground-based vehicles as well (and my GPS is WAAS-capable).
@LucDanton I should add that I stacked the deck a little bit. The speed limit where I was stopped wasn't marked according to federal regulations, so I started by entering a motion that the case be dismissed on that grounds. I doubt the judge had to think 30 whole seconds to realize that 1) I was right, and 2) most of the rest of town doesn't follow the regs either.
I read about physicist writing a paper to prove his innocence in court.
Something about a sign or something.
He decided to hear the case, and only rule on the motion if I was found guilty. There was no real question he'd have to rule in my favor on the motion (or be overruled on appeal), so he was strongly motivated to find me not guilty anyway. If he'd ruled on the motion, it probably would have thrown out not only my case, but every other one for years, until they could fix all the signs (not to mention bringing every one for years before into question).
I hoped that was a fun episode for you. It is a very fun anecdote in any case.
@LucDanton It actually was, kind of. The cop and (especially) the city attorney didn't seem to enjoy it nearly as much though. The city attorney (talking about the motion) was literally reduced to "No, we can't point to a law that allows what we're doing, but you should rule in our favor because maybe there's one somewhere."
The judge didn't seem to like that too well, said something about "Hmm..and here I though he was the one who wasn't an attorney, and you were."
16:53
Hmm… so the coming leap second could possibly be the last ever.
Can I assume the attorney was only here to obtain a judgment by default in favor of the city in case you were bluffing and had not showed up?
@Potatoswatter That would be nice, wouldn't it?
Ell
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hi all
@LucDanton Traffic court goes rapid-fire. He was there to represent the city "just in case."
@LucDanton I think the attorney expected to win the case. I entered the motion just before the trial -- it wasn't until the night before that I found the federal "Manual of Uniform Traffic Control Devices" that said what they were doing wasn't allowed.
@Potatoswatter Yeah -- from the way they acted, the arguments they typically hear are things like "but I was late for work", or "but I didn't see the sign". Somebody with not just one, but two solid arguments was an idea they could barely even comprehend.
16:58
lol
In this case, you didn't see the sign, because it wasn't there.
@RMartinhoFernandes Well, one that was supposed to be there wasn't. Worse, according to the signs there were not just two, but actually three different speed limits in force at that spot (I.e., the last speed limit sign you saw said any of three different things, depending on the route you took to get there). My ace in the hole was that one of those routes (complex, but possible) actually said the speed I was accused of was legal!
But your GPS log wouldn't let you claim that was your route.
@RMartinhoFernandes True, but irrelevant -- the regs are clear that only one speed limit can apply at any given place. In fact, there was no speed limit sign between where I started and where I was stopped.
Ell
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@RMartinhoFernandes I read that question you linked earlier (stackoverflow.com/questions/9955714/…) but still unfortunately can't figure out how to fix my compile error
it says I need to accept the arguments as (possibly const) references to lvalues. What does this mean? Doesn't it mean I can't pass std::move(my_unique_ptr) because that doesn't give an lvalue does it?
17:08
The problem is that when you call the function object that bind makes, it passes my_unique_ptr, not move(my_unique_ptr). If you really need to give ownership to the handler, you need to use a lambda, like in the answer Luc linked above me.
Otherwise, change the handler to take a reference.
Note that if you give ownership to the handler, the function object is not reusable (not sure if it matters).
@RMartinhoFernandes Excuse me, but did you get permission to discuss C++ here?
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tl;dr: If bind::operator() called move, you wouldn't be able to call it twice. How does it know if that's correct or not?
I have a class rvalue_reference_wrapper and factory function rref for this purpose.
Ell
Ell
@RMartinhoFernandes haha so all along you were right with the "just use a lambda" thing :L
Actually, no.
You can't capture-by-move.
You need a lambda and bind.
Ell
Ell
I'll just go with a raw pointer
anwyay, its munchies and then learn PHP! :D
thanks for the help :) bye bye
17:13
@Ell Oh god. My typical "have fun" is not appropriate here.
@RMartinhoFernandes Have phpun?
@JerryCoffin I'm a room owner, I don't need permission :P
@RMartinhoFernandes Sure you do. You need permission from somebody who has graduated from room ownership.
@Ell What? Just go with a regular non-const lvalue ref. * won't work with anything & doesn't, except nullptr.
Sequency change?
user784668
17:22
I fell in love with T() = default. Really.
@Drise Haven't you learned that room taglines don't have to make sense?
@RMartinhoFernandes They usually (and have) do.
@Drise They usually (and have) do?
They usually do, and have never not made sense before.
I just woke up, go away.
You must be new here. That or you have very strange norms as to what makes sense or not.
17:27
@StackedCrooked The latter.
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room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: Haven't you learned that room taglines don't have to make sense? [c++] [c++11] [c++-faq]
@Drise Presumably somebody reacted to this question:
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Q: How to obtain sequency specific in C++

Regis da SilvaHow to obtain the sequency specific in C++? I need sequency: 1,2,2,2,3,4,4,4,5,6,6,6,7,8,8,8 and 1,1,2,2,3,3,4,4,5,5,6,6,7,7,8,8 using counter 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,... #include <iostream> using namespace std; int main() { int n, i, seq; cin >> n; for (i = 0; i < n; i++) ...

Ahhh, there we are.
I don't even know how to edit that. I have no fuckin clue.
Ok also. When my boss asks what is c++0x and why does the compiler say the support is still experimental, what do I say as a counter argument?
@Drise In that case, you apparently know at least as much as whoever wrote it!
@Drise "The documentation is out of date."
17:31
He also reasons that because the support is still experimental, it is not part of the standard. What do I say to that?
Besides "It is part of the standard."
@JerryCoffin But it's not the docs, it's the compiler itself. If you #include some of the new headers and don't use the magic flag, it complains with that message.
@Drise The support is not part of the standard, but the standard does require the support. The real argument is probably to get a copy of the standard.
@RMartinhoFernandes But does the boss use the compiler enough to know that?
When should we expect those messages to go away?
@JerryCoffin That's a good point.
@Drise When you use the magic flag.
@JerryCoffin No.
@RMartinhoFernandes Without the magic flag.
@RMartinhoFernandes You're kidding?
If you compile without C++11 support, you can't use C++11 features.
@Drise I'm dead serious.
Then when will C++11 just turn into C++?
Now.
But GCC doesn't even use C++03 by default.
@Drise In that case, it becomes a question of whether you really want to be 100% honest with your boss. Most bosses require some managing, and management almost always requires some...creativity.
17:36
@RMartinhoFernandes You really have to be shitting me on this one.
user406009
Is there any official name for this format of file?(ideone.com/CQSRA)
@Drise I'm still dead serious.
@Drise It defaults to GNU++03.
GNU++?
It's C++03 loaded with GNU extensions.
17:37
@Drise All gnu compilers (and most others as well) enable various non-standard extensions by default.
@EthanSteinberg It passes for YAML, but that might be more than you're looking for.
@EthanSteinberg Things separated by colons and newlines.
user406009
@Potatoswatter Thank you.
@EthanSteinberg Note also: Uncheck run when you are just doing a generic paste.
@CatPlusPlus Still play Dayz?
user406009
17:39
Seems to be an exact fit for YAML.
@JerryCoffin 100% honest... What do you mean?
Never lie to your boss. Never tell the truth either.
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@CatPlusPlus Would you be interested in playing some now?
Nah, coding. Not in a game mood today.
17:41
@RMartinhoFernandes I try..
Well, trying to code, not in doing-anything mood today, really.
pyskell or hathon
@Cicada Pathkell (aka, Pascal with a Lisp).
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Q: My Son thinks he is spiderman

user1461001My 3.5 year old son is obsessed with Spiderman comics, games and movies and he thinks he is spiderman, he even has a 'girlfriend' in school who he calls Mary Jane . Is this normal? Or should I be concerned?

How can you let a 3yo watch Spiderman?!
@sbi For many people, it's easy: you turn on the TV, and ignore the child(ren).
17:49
> My son is the same, as was I. It's pretty normal.
Lol.
Parenting beta.
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This is the most suspension my 5yo has seen so far, and I think that's totally fine.
There's something hilarious about the juxtaposition here.
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I am on the verge of signing in there and causing a shitstorm.
@sbi Is fictional conflict damaging? — LOL, for a second I thought you were talking about Abraham Lincoln, Vampire Hunter.
@sbi I think I've seen that episode!
17:52
Apparently if I had kids I wouldn't be able to use YouTube at all.
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@Potatoswatter I am at a loss as to how to interpret that. Was that even meant for me?
@CatPlusPlus Of course you have. I have seen that episode as a kid in the 70s. Everybody has seen Krtek and I think, as a kid, everybody should have.
@sbi Yes. When I clicked your link, YouTube showed me an ad for Abe Lincoln, Vampire Hunter. Violence and ghouls.
Krtek, the leader of Czech underground.
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@Potatoswatter Oh. FF here, with AdBlock. I never see any of those ads.
@CatPlusPlus ROTFL!
@sbi How does that work? The ad appears inside the YouTube flash viewer.
17:55
@Potatoswatter Magic.
ABP for Chrome blocks them too.
@sbi I guess I led a deprived childhood. The only TV I watched (at least that I can remember) before I was 8 or 9 or so was going to the neighbor's to watch Apollo 11 lift off.
Well, bye for a while. Gotta get some lunch for the kiddos (none of whom seems to think he's Spiderman, strangely enough).
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@Potatoswatter I dunno. All I know is that, on the rare occasion I use an IE tab, I see ads, whereas I never see any when I use FF.
I'm Batman!
@sbi Everything is SOO pointy

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